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(Park Rapids Enterprise)   If you see a sign saying speed limit 60, then a sign saying speed limit 30, then a sign saying there's no speed limit, what is the speed limit? (Hint: it's a trap)   (parkrapidsenterprise.com) divider line 117
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2010-02-07 10:00:37 AM  
The 20-mile stretch of highway between Lake George and Park Rapids has no posted speed limits, except to warn motorists to slow down to 40 mpg

LOL wut
 
2010-02-07 10:00:45 AM  
The one that generates the most revenue of course.
 
2010-02-07 10:05:19 AM  
What about the children?????
 
2010-02-07 10:18:18 AM  
Sounds more like entrapment to me.
 
2010-02-07 10:24:28 AM  
Maybe the conversation between the county engineer missed a few sentences... what would be the "assumed" speed limit? If there isnt a new limit posted shouldnt you assume it hasnt changed - in other words it would be 30 mph as you left the town all the way to the next sign?

How frikin hard is it to get someone to go out there and pound a sign into the ground? The friggin things arent plated in gold, I'm pretty sure there's a warehouse of em somewhere in that state where they could find one with the appropriate numbers printed... of course that would affect the ability of their cops to stop anyone at anytime for either speeding or driving too slowly.
 
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2010-02-07 10:30:42 AM  
Fizpez

There is a sign. It says "end speed zone" or "end 30 mph limit" or something along those lines.

The federal standard for speed limit signs says you're not supposed to say a speed limit ends without telling drivers what new speed limit begins. "At the downstream end of the section to which a speed limit applies, a Speed Limit sign showing the next speed limit shall be installed." (MUTCD 2009 edition section 2B.13 paragraph 4)
 
2010-02-07 10:32:52 AM  
Whatever the cop says it is.
 
2010-02-07 10:52:30 AM  
Yay, Fargo thread!!!

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I'm answerin' yer questions!
 
2010-02-07 11:08:49 AM  
I remember pulling someone over on 4 one time and their argument was there's no speed limit. But I told them, 'You were in driver's ed. If a roadway is not posted, what is the assumed speed limit?"

In Kansas, the default speed limit is "reasonable and prudent" unless posted (and even when posted as according to conditions). At least, that was the case when I was in driver's ed in the 90s.
 
2010-02-07 12:13:51 PM  
*clicks link*

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/the weird part is that didn't happen the first time I clicked on the link
 
2010-02-07 12:34:17 PM  
TFA: "You were in driver's ed. If a roadway is not posted, what is the assumed speed limit?"

This. Seriously, one should know the standard limits on different types of roads. There are only so many variations, its generally obvious.

I live in a big city, and I know of only one road with a strange speed limit. Busy street, two-lane, but its still 25. Other than that, its all very obvious.
 
2010-02-07 01:20:12 PM  
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2010-02-07 01:22:59 PM  
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What a no speed limit sign may look like.
 
2010-02-07 01:24:06 PM  
Speed limits are for revenue, not safety.


Wake up sheeple.
 
2010-02-07 01:25:40 PM  
Burma shave?
 
2010-02-07 01:27:09 PM  
downstairs: This. Seriously, one should know the standard limits on different types of roads. There are only so many variations, its generally obvious.

It's stupid because it's incredibly vague. If I say, oh I assumed it's 50mph on a highway and the cop wants to be a dick he could say, "no, considering there is a tail wind and Saturn is in the 3rd quadrant the speed limit should be assumed to be 49.5mph." Here's your ticket.
 
2010-02-07 01:28:47 PM  
So uh, what is the speed limit on that stretch of the road?
 
2010-02-07 01:30:13 PM  
Came for Ackbar, leaving happy.
 
2010-02-07 01:31:09 PM  
If the speed limit had been 55 on the road before it came into town, then the town has a 30-mph speed limit, then has a sign on the other side of town marking the end of the 30mph limit, then the limit is 55.

Grew up with one of these outside a neighboring village. Not that hard to figure out, unless you're an idiot or a person constantly looking for an excuse to not have to follow a speed limit (but I repeat myself.) Of course, you wouldn't think you'd need a newspaper article to get people to put up a 55mph sigh to replace the "end 30" if someone biatches about it.

Slow news day, apparently.
 
2010-02-07 01:32:24 PM  
Phil Herup: Speed limits are for revenue, not safety.


Wake up sheeple.


So?

Are cops supposed to work for free?
 
2010-02-07 01:33:13 PM  
andrew131: downstairs: This. Seriously, one should know the standard limits on different types of roads. There are only so many variations, its generally obvious.

It's stupid because it's incredibly vague. If I say, oh I assumed it's 50mph on a highway and the cop wants to be a dick he could say, "no, considering there is a tail wind and Saturn is in the 3rd quadrant the speed limit should be assumed to be 49.5mph." Here's your ticket.


Keep up with that attitude mister and you're just asking for a billy club to the anus back at the station. Repeatedly. By multiple officers. For your own protection you understand. Safety first.
 
2010-02-07 01:34:50 PM  
downstairs: TFA: "You were in driver's ed. If a roadway is not posted, what is the assumed speed limit?"

This. Seriously, one should know the standard limits on different types of roads. There are only so many variations, its generally obvious.

I live in a big city, and I know of only one road with a strange speed limit. Busy street, two-lane, but its still 25. Other than that, its all very obvious.



Authorities are never wrong and always act in a fair and balanced manner. Citizens must always know the speed limit for different locales, even when traveling as a tourist and the limit is not posted as it should be. All hail you.
 
2010-02-07 01:34:55 PM  
andrew131: downstairs: This. Seriously, one should know the standard limits on different types of roads. There are only so many variations, its generally obvious.

It's stupid because it's incredibly vague. If I say, oh I assumed it's 50mph on a highway and the cop wants to be a dick he could say, "no, considering there is a tail wind and Saturn is in the 3rd quadrant the speed limit should be assumed to be 49.5mph." Here's your ticket.


There are roads in an around my town that, depending on where you are, range from 25 to 40 mph. How are you supposed to assume knowledge of the speed limit when it changes multiple times in a 5 mile stretch.

Hell, the 101 around here has a section where the freeway (and the 65 mph zone) ends, drops to 50 mph, and then back up to 65. 2 lanes the entire way, but with a few miles where it's just randomly slower.
 
2010-02-07 01:35:37 PM  
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2010-02-07 01:35:40 PM  
COPS ARE SCARY !!!!

WAKE UP SHEEPLE !!!!
 
2010-02-07 01:36:02 PM  
In the UK this means national speed limit (60mph), don't you have a similar thing in the States?

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2010-02-07 01:36:10 PM  
"People should know the speed limit," - Through farking telepathy?

That "engineer" must be retarded. Post a farking sign.
 
2010-02-07 01:39:10 PM  
homeoftheblues: Phil Herup: Speed limits are for revenue, not safety.


Wake up sheeple.

So?

Are cops supposed to work for free?




.... is this Mexico?
 
2010-02-07 01:40:17 PM  
pdieten: Not that hard to figure out, unless you're an idiot or a person constantly looking for an excuse to not have to follow a speed limit (but I repeat myself.)

Does anyone live in this other town? Are there ways to get onto the road after the 55mph sign such that one could see the "30mph ends" sign but not be sure what the new limit was? It's not that hard to imagine the scenario where one might not be 100% sure of the new limit, but then there's you, Mr. Know It All.
 
2010-02-07 01:40:46 PM  
Redscum: In the UK this means national speed limit (60mph), don't you have a similar thing in the States?

No, it's a state and local issue.
 
2010-02-07 01:41:13 PM  
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2010-02-07 01:41:50 PM  
Pay a fine, next time I promise you will remember the limit.
 
2010-02-07 01:42:04 PM  
Redscum: In the UK this means national speed limit (60mph), don't you have a similar thing in the States?

No because there is no national speed limit anymore. Some states have 65, others 70, some 75, and a couple at 80.
 
2010-02-07 01:42:54 PM  
andrew131: Redscum: In the UK this means national speed limit (60mph), don't you have a similar thing in the States?

No, it's a state and local issue.


Ah, that makes sense. Then yeah, this is farking stupid. You can't expect someone to know the speed limit if it isn't standardised.
 
2010-02-07 01:42:59 PM  
Redscum: In the UK this means national speed limit (60mph), don't you have a similar thing in the States?

No. Even the freeways have occasional speed limit signs with numbers along them.
 
2010-02-07 01:44:19 PM  
Came for Ackbar, leaving happy, but concerned that Farkers took until Weeners2 to do it. You people are slipping...
 
2010-02-07 01:46:29 PM  
bluorangefyre: Redscum: In the UK this means national speed limit (60mph), don't you have a similar thing in the States?

No because there is no national speed limit anymore. Some states have 65, others 70, some 75, and a couple at 80.


Which is of course only for 4 lane divided interstate highways. The default speed for a 2 lane undivided highway like the one in question is 55 here in WI. And there are LOTS of places where it is just assumed that you know you can't go 90 just because you don't see a sign, and I've never heard of someone using that as an excuse.
 
2010-02-07 01:49:59 PM  
x_kansas_x: bluorangefyre: Redscum: In the UK this means national speed limit (60mph), don't you have a similar thing in the States?

No because there is no national speed limit anymore. Some states have 65, others 70, some 75, and a couple at 80.

Which is of course only for 4 lane divided interstate highways. The default speed for a 2 lane undivided highway like the one in question is 55 here in WI. And there are LOTS of places where it is just assumed that you know you can't go 90 just because you don't see a sign, and I've never heard of someone using that as an excuse.


And it's 50mph in Texas. Some places though post 65mph on two lane highways.

The issues is not "ZOMG I CAN GO 90" but rather the issue of going 55mph when it was supposed to be "assumed" they could only go 45 or 30 or some other ridiculous requirement.
 
2010-02-07 01:50:42 PM  
Watch out for Antler, Oklahoma. The speed limit goes from 60 to 45 to 30, then 45 to 30 finally back to 60. In a half farking mile. Not kidding.

/Yes I got a ticket.
//Oklahoma, the most retarded state in the union
 
2010-02-07 01:51:05 PM  
TFA I remember pulling someone over on 4 one time and their argument was there's no speed limit. But I told them, 'You were in driver's ed. If a roadway is not posted, what is the assumed speed limit?"

THIS!
I mean.. there are only 3141 counties in the United States and each one is entitled to it's own laws regarding a default speed limit. So there really isn't much to remember about this issue. Just know which county you are in and know their default speed limit.
If you're going to be traveling, is it really so much of a burden to know exactly which counties you will be traveling through so that you can memorize their default speed limit?

(My license says Las Vegas Nevada. When unmarked, our speed limit is 75 unless conditions dictate a lower speed).
 
2010-02-07 01:54:58 PM  
In NYC there are zones defined as "unposted 30mph".

There is no sign, so logically, the limit is 30.

Dude, wait, what?

You'd think they could spring for some damn signs.
 
2010-02-07 01:55:50 PM  
If only there was a forum one could go to to address grievances
 
2010-02-07 01:56:19 PM  
I beleive the county needs to check with the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices.

Read it online (new window) and start to realize how hard it is to place those signs right.

Specifically

Section 2B.01 Application of Regulatory Signs
Standard:
01 Regulatory signs shall be used to inform road users of selected traffic laws or regulations and indicate
the applicability of the legal requirements.
02 Regulatory signs shall be installed at or near where the regulations apply. The signs shall clearly
indicate the requirements imposed by the regulations and shall be designed and installed to provide
adequate visibility and legibility in order to obtain compliance.


These are DoT documents.... SHALL MEANS DO IT.
 
2010-02-07 01:57:17 PM  
Anyone have a pic of this "end speed limit" or whatever it says sign?
 
2010-02-07 01:57:46 PM  
downstairs: TFA: "You were in driver's ed. If a roadway is not posted, what is the assumed speed limit?"

This. Seriously, one should know the standard limits on different types of roads. There are only so many variations, its generally obvious.

I live in a big city, and I know of only one road with a strange speed limit. Busy street, two-lane, but its still 25. Other than that, its all very obvious.


My state has this but I bet most people don't know it. No posted speed limit: 30 miles any urban or residential district; 35 miles on an unpaved county road; 70 on a rural interstate; 65 miles per on an urban interstate or multi-lane divided highway; 55 in all other areas.
 
2010-02-07 01:58:01 PM  
img.photobucket.com
What a trap may look like.
 
2010-02-07 01:58:47 PM  
Yogimus: If only there was a forum one could go to to address grievances

"You know what Stewie, if you don't like it, go on the internet and complain."
 
2010-02-07 01:59:22 PM  
http://www.parkrapidsenterprise.com/event/article/id/22042/

"But I told them, 'You were in driver's ed. If a roadway is not posted, what is the assumed speed limit?""


Thats a bullshiat revenue generator.
 
2010-02-07 02:01:38 PM  
Basket Case: Anyone have a pic of this "end speed limit" or whatever it says sign?

I have no pic, but they have them where I live.

Usually they say
END
30MPH
SPEED ZONE

But then they don't tell you what the new speed is. But you're missing the point. It's all about using the court system to generate revenue. Why would you spen the money it costs for an appeal of a $150 fine for going 10 or 15 over. It's all basically extortion.
 
2010-02-07 02:07:09 PM  
Speed limit = c
 
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