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(LA Times)   Captain America's dorky outfit explained in new movie: He's now a USO performer for the troops   (latimesblogs.latimes.com) divider line 102
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2010-02-07 08:19:00 AM  
They actually did a good job with this in "The Ultimates," when he accompanies the 101st Airborne Division on an airborne assault against a Nazi research facility.

The troopers in the 101st were rolling their eyes and making sarcastic remarks about his uniform, and his super-human exploits. They assume he's some actor whose newsreels are all faked to sell War Bonds.

Needless to say, he wins them over.
 
2010-02-07 09:10:16 AM  
So what's the foreign box-office expectations on a movie called "Captain America" anyway?
 
2010-02-07 09:15:24 AM  
Confabulat: So what's the foreign box-office expectations on a movie called "Captain America" anyway?

I'm sure it'll be a big hit in the Middle East.

/the sad thing is, I don't even think even the government could come up with a stupid rationalization like the screenwriters have
//USO performer...honestly
 
2010-02-07 12:05:46 PM  
FTA: "The costume is a flag, but the way we're getting around that is we have Steve Rogers forced into the USO circuit. After he's made into this super-soldier, they decide they can't send him into combat and risk him getting killed. He's the only one and they can't make more. So they say, 'You're going to be in this USO show' and they give him a flag suit. He can't wait to get out of it."

WTF?
 
2010-02-07 12:32:30 PM  
So in other words, some hack writers are going to fark up another iconic comic character.
 
2010-02-07 12:33:26 PM  
Confabulat: So what's the foreign box-office expectations on a movie called "Captain America" anyway?

I dunno. Captain America historically does okay elsewhere. Mostly because he represents what everyone else wish the US still was: The guys who helped liberate Europe in WWII.
 
2010-02-07 12:39:02 PM  
The English Major: Confabulat: So what's the foreign box-office expectations on a movie called "Captain America" anyway?

I'm sure it'll be a big hit in the Middle East.

/the sad thing is, I don't even think even the government could come up with a stupid rationalization like the screenwriters have
//USO performer...honestly


Because the government would never take high-profile soldiers and put them on a public relations tour.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2010-02-07 12:46:22 PM  
WTF?
 
2010-02-07 12:56:33 PM  
Old enough to know better: So in other words, some hack writers are going to fark up another iconic comic character.

I think the term you are looking for is " Raping ones childhood"

/WTH so its not "Cool" anymore to be an American?
//Waiting for the United Nations with butt hurt to call us to save their asses again.
 
2010-02-07 12:59:54 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
moviecultists.com

Who ever did these got it right.
 
2010-02-07 01:02:56 PM  
THERE SHOULD BE NO GOT-DANG REASON TO RATIONALIZE CAP'N AMERICA'S OUTFIT.

DOONT F***ING APOLOGIZE ABOUT OUR GOT-DANG FLAG, ASSHOLES.

/AMERICA, F*** YEAH!
/CAps!!!one!eleventy!~!!!!
 
2010-02-07 01:04:13 PM  
OK, at first this concept annoyed me, but then I read how he was going to go AWOL to fight anyway, and I think I like this idea now.
 
2010-02-07 01:10:53 PM  
Okay, after RTFA I can say I understand their vision. I can't promise I'll like it on the big screen (hell, I can't even be bothered to promise I'll go see the movie) but at least it sounds like they're using logic. I like that.
 
2010-02-07 01:11:47 PM  
FTA:

A challenge, he said, is finding an actor that can play scenes as "98-pound-weakling" Steve Rogers and also pull off the brawny hero scenes, although some visual effects wizardry will come into play.

So...Christian Bale? They can even save on the "visual effects wizardry" budget.
 
2010-02-07 01:11:57 PM  
Crudbucket:

Because the government would never take high-profile soldiers and put them on a public relations tour.


*Flags Of Our Fathers pic*

To be fair only half of the guys in that picture went on tour. The rest stayed Iwo.
 
2010-02-07 01:12:52 PM  
To further enhance my point:

www.sesblog.hu
 
2010-02-07 01:15:30 PM  
legion_of_doo: THERE SHOULD BE NO GOT-DANG REASON TO RATIONALIZE CAP'N AMERICA'S OUTFIT.

DOONT F***ING APOLOGIZE ABOUT OUR GOT-DANG FLAG, ASSHOLES.

/AMERICA, F*** YEAH!
/CAps!!!one!eleventy!~!!!!


I'm not sure if that's snark or not, but you're absolutely right. Captain America is not only a super-soldier, he's a symbol. Not having him in costume is like making a Punisher movie without him wearing the Skull shirt. Without the costume he's any old generic hero soldier type.

It seems Hollywood goes out of its way to pick directors that are embarrassed by superhero/sci-fi/videogame material.
 
2010-02-07 01:16:21 PM  
If you're making a straight-up comic movie, then this decision is stupid.

If you're trying to make a 'realistic' movie based on a premise from a comic... not so stupid.

I still don't buy the idea of a super-soldier not being used because they only have one, though. What good is an unused weapon? Even MAD wouldn't work without Fat Man and Little Boy.
 
2010-02-07 01:19:18 PM  
Having read the entire article, I'm okay with this.

The way it's explained is pretty rational, and hearkens back to the updated origin of Tony Stark, which was pulled off extremely well.

I think this'll be just fine. I'll watch it. It'll remind me of the Ultimates. Though I really wish they had gone with him being from WW2, instead of updating him for modern. A big part of his character is that he's from that time, and he's dated, but still the ideal.
 
2010-02-07 01:19:44 PM  
Sgt Otter: They actually did a good job with this in "The Ultimates," when he accompanies the 101st Airborne Division on an airborne assault against a Nazi research facility.

The troopers in the 101st were rolling their eyes and making sarcastic remarks about his uniform, and his super-human exploits. They assume he's some actor whose newsreels are all faked to sell War Bonds.

Needless to say, he wins them over.


This
"He doesnt wear a parachute, He thinks they're for girls"
 
2010-02-07 01:27:37 PM  
FTA: The stripes across his mid-section, for instance, will be straps, not colored fabric.

As long as he has pouches, lots and lots of pouches!

Also, my previous post implied that Joe Johnston doesn't know what he is doing. He did the Rocketeer, which is an underrated gem. I'll use that post as a generalization that writers and directors don't TRUST the source material that has worked for decades.

Most hero films have the characters taking their masks off at every opportunity, as though the audience can't identify with them. But hell, Darth Vader worked, didn't he? So why, for example did Cobra Commander receive a plexiglass mask in the live action? Why the speed suits that made the Joes look like any other action stars?

Yes, I realize that spandex looks ridiculous on screen. But surely there are ways around that.

I'm not a big Cap fan, but if you think his costume is ridiculous, you shouldn't be doing the movie. And yes, Ultimates Cap was a perfectly good version of the uniform.
 
2010-02-07 01:28:16 PM  
That's a whole new concept and it's one that sounds pretty promising.

No it doesn't.

"It was never in the comics," Johnston said, "because they didn't really need it. In comics, he puts on the costume and the reader just justifies because of the nature of the medium."

Did people complain about or need justification for Superman's costume when the Christopher Reeve movies came out? No, because people know it's a damn comic book movie and they don't need every aspect of it grounded in reality. It's the story that's fantastic and beyond the need for complete explanation, not the medium. By trying to ground everything in reality you just end up wasting time and denigrate the characters you're trying to build up.
 
2010-02-07 01:35:17 PM  
GhostFish: That's a whole new concept and it's one that sounds pretty promising.

No it doesn't.

"It was never in the comics," Johnston said, "because they didn't really need it. In comics, he puts on the costume and the reader just justifies because of the nature of the medium."

Did people complain about or need justification for Superman's costume when the Christopher Reeve movies came out? No, because people know it's a damn comic book movie and they don't need every aspect of it grounded in reality. It's the story that's fantastic and beyond the need for complete explanation, not the medium. By trying to ground everything in reality you just end up wasting time and denigrate the characters you're trying to build up.


It's almost like they are saying that movie audiences are dumber than comic book readers. Did Star Wars sit you down and tell you how the hyperdrive works? Did they try to explain away the impossible physics of the light saber? No, because it's just a tool to tell the story. The Spider-man moves proved that a guy in a skintight suit doesn't have to look ridiculous onscreen. Make it look good and no one will question it.
 
2010-02-07 01:38:07 PM  
So it's a USO costume? okay.. I suppose.. but isn't Cap's uniform made of chainmail?
 
2010-02-07 01:40:29 PM  
Old enough to know better: So in other words, some hack writers are going to fark up another iconic comic character created by a hack writer.

/clarified for you
 
2010-02-07 01:42:32 PM  
still cnt see this movie doing well outside the US. America just aint that popular, which is a shame becuase captain America is a very good comic. Im not from the states and was neevr really intrested in the character till i read the ultimates comic. After that im a nbig Cap fan.

/best Cap moment has to be in the marvel civil war comics when he goes against the government. and is explaining his reasons to spiderman on the roof top.
 
2010-02-07 01:52:07 PM  
Fano: Also, in a link on that page: "New Sgt. Rock movie will not be set in WWII, some near future setting (new window)



If they set the new Jonah Hex movie in the year 2015, the studios have my blood on their hands.


To be fair, Jonah Hex eventually does travel through time.
 
2010-02-07 02:00:08 PM  
big gay al?
 
2010-02-07 02:06:20 PM  
Alacritous: So it's a USO costume? okay.. I suppose.. but isn't Cap's uniform made of chainmail?

More like Scalemail.
 
2010-02-07 02:08:03 PM  
Unsung_Hero: If you're making a straight-up comic movie, then this decision is stupid.

If you're trying to make a 'realistic' movie based on a premise from a comic... not so stupid.

I still don't buy the idea of a super-soldier not being used because they only have one, though. What good is an unused weapon? Even MAD wouldn't work without Fat Man and Little Boy.




You've just made the most elite gun of all time.

This thing does everything, it never misses, it can shoot an F-22 out of the air, Anti-tank shells the size of regular ammunition, can hit a pea sized target a mile away.

Everything works. The problem is you've made a dozen weapons before this and another dozen after this using the same plans and they don't work.



Do you A)Keep the gun safe until you can study what makes it different and working or B)Give it to one solider to use in the field?
 
2010-02-07 02:14:45 PM  
They need to have him riding a motorcycle (new window). That would be cool.
 
2010-02-07 02:20:36 PM  
Bunnyhat: Do you A)Keep the gun safe until you can study what makes it different and working or B)Give it to one solider to use in the field?

At points during WWII, it looked pretty hopeless. (And after a time it WAS hopeless for the bad guys).

If you have one working weapon that could change the tide, and you can either use it or have the victorious enemy figure out how to duplicate it after their victory...
 
2010-02-07 02:23:55 PM  
Bunnyhat: Unsung_Hero: If you're making a straight-up comic movie, then this decision is stupid.

If you're trying to make a 'realistic' movie based on a premise from a comic... not so stupid.

I still don't buy the idea of a super-soldier not being used because they only have one, though. What good is an unused weapon? Even MAD wouldn't work without Fat Man and Little Boy.



You've just made the most elite gun of all time.

This thing does everything, it never misses, it can shoot an F-22 out of the air, Anti-tank shells the size of regular ammunition, can hit a pea sized target a mile away.

Everything works. The problem is you've made a dozen weapons before this and another dozen after this using the same plans and they don't work.



Do you A)Keep the gun safe until you can study what makes it different and working or B)Give it to one solider to use in the field?


C) Have him stomp Hitler's guts out
www.flavinscorner.com

If you keep him on the homefront he turns out like this:
thisisphotobomb.com
www.freakingnews.com

or he might turn to:www.heromachine.com
 
2010-02-07 02:28:48 PM  
Mentat: FTA: "The costume is a flag, but the way we're getting around that is we have Steve Rogers forced into the USO circuit. After he's made into this super-soldier, they decide they can't send him into combat and risk him getting killed. He's the only one and they can't make more. So they say, 'You're going to be in this USO show' and they give him a flag suit. He can't wait to get out of it."

WTF?


My reaction as well. What in the hell is wrong with folks who need to retcon characters just because they're being transferred from one media form to another?

Spider-man is now an emo biatch, with his supporting cast turned into caricatures of the original characters. Watchmen was all but destroyed because they spent an incredible amount of time trying to stick to the comic right up to the end - where they utterly destroy the film by changing the story. Thor? No, he's no longer a god - he's a friggin' alien, because no one would believe that Norse mythology crap.

And now, Captain America's forced into a costume he didn't want to wear and perform for the USO, because he's too valuable to waste in actual combat? Did they not read the comic? He wasn't a friggin' grunt. He was a bookish geek who tried to enlist, but couldn't meet muster - so he volunteered for a special experiment, along with others. The guy who ran the experiment was assassinated, and so he became a "superhero who served both as a counter-intelligence agent and a propaganda symbol to counter Nazi Germany's head of terrorist operations, the Red Skull."

Seriously, can we stop spinning existing IP so as to somehow make it more marketable?
 
2010-02-07 02:33:59 PM  
Alacritous: So it's a USO costume? okay.. I suppose.. but isn't Cap's uniform made of chainmail?

Bob Hope is CAPTAIN AMERICA
 
2010-02-07 02:34:18 PM  
Let me just say that I do not read comic books. But if I did, I would not read Captain America.
 
2010-02-07 02:36:19 PM  
if they ruin Captain America..my head just may explode.

/yes i have seen the european original movie with the red skull. Acting was pretty bad, but it at least stayed pretty true to the comic on most parts.
 
2010-02-07 02:41:23 PM  
solokumba: Let me just say that I do not read comic books. But if I did, I would not read Captain America.

This is the most useful comment in any thread ever.
 
2010-02-07 02:44:32 PM  
WWDQD?

citizented.com
 
2010-02-07 02:46:11 PM  
And it begins.

Captain America is a flamboyant character. But he's been around for the better part of seventy years now and the costume is part of that. If the director has an issue with the outfit or the concept, there is an easy fix for this.

Fire the director immediately. Because he has no idea what the hell he's doing. If Captain America and his outfit can exist in today's comic market and work, then it can work in movies. But the last thing you need is a director trying to justify the costume in some way.

It's Captain farking America. Read some Brubaker, get off your high horse, and make the film. If you're judging the movie based on a costume, then you're not going to see it either way. So can it.
 
2010-02-07 02:49:28 PM  
FTA: So they say, 'You're going to be in this USO show' and they give him a flag suit. He can't wait to get out of it."

i48.tinypic.com

I know the article meant "out of the show" but I like having the excuse to post this bit of hilarity.
 
2010-02-07 02:51:13 PM  
It's like G.I. Joe all over again.
 
2010-02-07 02:52:18 PM  
Guntram Shatterhand: And it begins.

Captain America is a flamboyant character. But he's been around for the better part of seventy years now and the costume is part of that. If the director has an issue with the outfit or the concept, there is an easy fix for this.

Fire the director immediately. Because he has no idea what the hell he's doing. If Captain America and his outfit can exist in today's comic market and work, then it can work in movies. But the last thing you need is a director trying to justify the costume in some way.

It's Captain farking America. Read some Brubaker, get off your high horse, and make the film. If you're judging the movie based on a costume, then you're not going to see it either way. So can it.


What is weird is that this director SHOULD know what he is doing.

After all he only directed a stylishly pretty popcorn movie about a flamboyant hero that beats up Nazis (new window)

Maybe he's gunshy since it did poorly at the box office?
 
2010-02-07 02:57:00 PM  
ruta: I know the article meant "out of the show" but I like having the excuse to post this bit of hilarity.

I think they meant the suit. Captain America loves being naked.
 
2010-02-07 03:06:25 PM  
It's not a dorky outfit, subby. Shut your whore mouth.

/My inner eleven-year old has his fingers in his ears and is singing LALALALLALALALA.
 
2010-02-07 03:12:47 PM  
After he's made into this super-soldier, they decide they can't send him into combat and risk him getting killed

That doesn't make any farking sense.
 
2010-02-07 03:14:35 PM  
JoeJitsu: They need to have him riding a motorcycle (new window). That would be cool.

*clicks*

(o_0)

you sir, suck
 
2010-02-07 03:15:53 PM  
solokumba: Let me just say that I do not read comic books. But if I did, I would not read Captain America.

eatthiscity.com
 
2010-02-07 03:18:00 PM  
I'm more disturbed by the "Chad Michael Murray as Cap" rumor.
 
2010-02-07 03:18:23 PM  
files.abovetopsecret.com

Also this needs to be in the movie. IT MUST.
 
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