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2010-02-07 05:11:04 AM
In Australia.

Isn't Fark.com still based in America?
 
2010-02-07 06:17:34 AM
I can think of a lot of other things to be outraged about.
 
2010-02-07 08:04:52 AM
Taxpayers pay for police salaries, news at 11.
 
2010-02-07 08:04:58 AM
cops don't have enough time for diet and exercise.
 
2010-02-07 08:06:04 AM
Link (new window)

The Gurge
 
2010-02-07 08:10:43 AM
Epsilon: In Australia.

Isn't Fark.com still based in America?


Yeah, this headline should be upside down.
How else are the Ozzies gonna read it?
 
2010-02-07 08:34:14 AM
thats ok...when this comes to America, and people can get mandatory coverage for procedures to prolong their life that they have lived after making terrible life decisions, without having any incentive to change those decisions...I am sure that will make everything less expensive somehow. Mandatory bariatric surgery coverage for ALL!
 
2010-02-07 08:48:06 AM
randazza.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-02-07 08:51:11 AM
rackjite.com

Approves.
 
2010-02-07 08:55:57 AM
Mine cost $45K here in America.
Either things are a lot cheaper in Australia, or they're using a discount doctor...
www.kevinmd.com
 
2010-02-07 09:01:44 AM
www.seaofhumanity.com
 
2010-02-07 09:06:11 AM
I'm not a big fan of police, but if a medical procedure lets him do his job/do it more effectively, then, well, okay. *shrug*
 
2010-02-07 09:27:17 AM
Not news. Gastric banding may be covered to different degrees by different insurance plans in the US, too, so anyone who pays taxes or health insurance is subsidizing someone's bariatric surgery.

Besides, in some cases it may be cost-effective. I have a patient who is 350 lbs and under 5 feet tall who shows up to the hospital a few times a year with severe infections of her pannus ("muffin-top") which actually hangs way past her knees.

If she could get her act together to get the surgery and comply with the diet, it would be much cheaper for the taxpayer than the multiple hospitalizations, and the eventual ICU stay and death towards which she is headed.

Of course, the poor lady will never get her act together, for a variety of psychosocial reasons.
 
2010-02-07 09:35:03 AM
The lapband only works IF the bandee (banded?) makes appropriate lifestyle changes. $2,000, while significant, isn't a huge chunk of the price of the surgery. Hopefully, those that opt for the lapband will get with the program and achieve significant weight loss, since they'll still be paying (I'm guessing) at least $28k out of pocket.

/wife had lapband surgery
//twice!
 
2010-02-07 09:38:24 AM
So health care is a waste of money? I guess subby is a GOP diehard.
 
2010-02-07 09:43:01 AM
Better make mine glazed....
 
2010-02-07 09:44:20 AM
Mudflap: The lapband only works IF the bandee (banded?) makes appropriate lifestyle changes. $2,000, while significant, isn't a huge chunk of the price of the surgery. Hopefully, those that opt for the lapband will get with the program and achieve significant weight loss, since they'll still be paying (I'm guessing) at least $28k out of pocket.

/wife had lapband surgery
//twice!


Nope.
ftfa Operations generally cost about $6,000.
 
2010-02-07 09:45:56 AM
Mudflap: The lapband only works IF the bandee (banded?) makes appropriate lifestyle changes. $2,000, while significant, isn't a huge chunk of the price of the surgery. Hopefully, those that opt for the lapband will get with the program and achieve significant weight loss, since they'll still be paying (I'm guessing) at least $28k out of pocket.

/wife had lapband surgery
//twice!



I feel your pain.

She sounds fat.

/This is Fark.

That is all!
 
2010-02-07 10:07:30 AM
sheikmagnet: Mudflap: The lapband only works IF the bandee (banded?) makes appropriate lifestyle changes. $2,000, while significant, isn't a huge chunk of the price of the surgery. Hopefully, those that opt for the lapband will get with the program and achieve significant weight loss, since they'll still be paying (I'm guessing) at least $28k out of pocket.

/wife had lapband surgery
//twice!

Nope.
ftfa Operations generally cost about $6,000.


Ah. I missed that. Sleep deprivation and all that.

Thanks.
 
2010-02-07 10:07:58 AM
Mudflap: The lapband only works IF the bandee (banded?) makes appropriate lifestyle changes. $2,000, while significant, isn't a huge chunk of the price of the surgery. Hopefully, those that opt for the lapband will get with the program and achieve significant weight loss, since they'll still be paying (I'm guessing) at least $28k out of pocket.

I thought the whole point of the lapband surgery was that you DON'T have to make lifestyle changes, at least not of your own volition. It's forced. After all, if you were willing and able to make lifestyle changes 100 pounds ago, you wouldn't need the lapband.
 
2010-02-07 10:18:31 AM
Kareeshus: Mudflap: The lapband only works IF the bandee (banded?) makes appropriate lifestyle changes. $2,000, while significant, isn't a huge chunk of the price of the surgery. Hopefully, those that opt for the lapband will get with the program and achieve significant weight loss, since they'll still be paying (I'm guessing) at least $28k out of pocket.

I thought the whole point of the lapband surgery was that you DON'T have to make lifestyle changes, at least not of your own volition. It's forced. After all, if you were willing and able to make lifestyle changes 100 pounds ago, you wouldn't need the lapband.


The problem is that while the lapband reduces physical intake, it doesn't remove the years of bad habits, food addiction, and possible mental illness that has lead to the problem in the first place.

So, you know how fat people have enormous stomachs after years of overeating? When they create this little pouch using the lapband, fatty just goes on stuffing food in their mouth until the small pouch expands around the band. See "stretched pouch" Link (new window)

On a personal note, I'm a little on the overweight side myself, nowhere near lapband territory though, more 'husky'. I cut out chocolate, alcohol, coffee, soft drinks (including "diet" drinks), and in the last 2 weeks I've lost about 5 kgs. I haven't even started at the gym yet.
 
2010-02-07 10:19:09 AM
Kareeshus: Mudflap: The lapband only works IF the bandee (banded?) makes appropriate lifestyle changes. $2,000, while significant, isn't a huge chunk of the price of the surgery. Hopefully, those that opt for the lapband will get with the program and achieve significant weight loss, since they'll still be paying (I'm guessing) at least $28k out of pocket.

I thought the whole point of the lapband surgery was that you DON'T have to make lifestyle changes, at least not of your own volition. It's forced. After all, if you were willing and able to make lifestyle changes 100 pounds ago, you wouldn't need the lapband.


All the lapband does is restrict the AMOUNT of food you can eat in one sitting. Junky, calorie-dense, foods in small portions are still counterproductive to weight loss. Lapband is just a tool. You have to use it properly for best results.

/not an expert
 
2010-02-07 10:32:26 AM
sheikmagnet:
On a personal note, I'm a little on the overweight side myself, nowhere near lapband territory though, more 'husky'. I cut out chocolate, alcohol, coffee, soft drinks (including "diet" drinks), and in the last 2 weeks I've lost about 5 kgs. I haven't even started at the gym yet.


Good for you, I mean that. I wish I had will power. While I'm not overweight, I do need to stop eating so much sugar before I get the diabeetus.
 
2010-02-07 10:34:58 AM
Here's a simple solution to overweight cops. They take a severe pay cut and have to do physical training and get their car taken until they get back into good enough shape to do their job properly. They're evaluated regularly and are if fired if not making sufficient progress. The taxpayers are paying their salary, so it's not too much ask that they be physically capable of doing their job.
 
2010-02-07 11:01:30 AM
Get their fat ass out of the car for half their shift. Walk a beat you fat, mouth breathing, low-expectation having, hunks of shiat. Now that the criminal is wearing their pants down around their knees, you have a better chance of catching them.
 
2010-02-07 11:01:31 AM
saluteyourshorts: Here's a simple solution to overweight cops. They take a severe pay cut and have to do physical training and get their car taken until they get back into good enough shape to do their job properly. They're evaluated regularly and are if fired if not making sufficient progress. The taxpayers are paying their salary, so it's not too much ask that they be physically capable of doing their job.

According to the GAO (http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-07-997T), it costs between $14,700 and $15,600 to train a new police officer or border patrol agent...and that doesn't take into account the years of valuable experience you lose when you fire a veteran officer. So yeah, it's probably cheaper just to pay for a $6,000 procedure.
 
2010-02-07 11:08:08 AM
Yeah. This is Asinine. But when taxpayers foot the bill for people with gender identity disorder to indulge in their problem, that gets the Cool tag.
 
2010-02-07 11:10:55 AM
My pr0n name is Tom Seaview: Mine cost $45K here in America.
Either things are a lot cheaper in Australia, or they're using a discount doctor...


Things *are* a lot cheaper in Australia. Just one of the many benefits of socialised medicine...

And I'm OK with paying for some cop's gastric banding. After all, everyone else helped pay for my (suspected) cancer surgery. :-)
 
2010-02-07 11:33:45 AM
saluteyourshorts: Here's a simple solution to overweight cops. They take a severe pay cut and have to do physical training and get their car taken until they get back into good enough shape to do their job properly. They're evaluated regularly and are if fired if not making sufficient progress. The taxpayers are paying their salary, so it's not too much ask that they be physically capable of doing their job.

So,is it ok if I forcemy employees to exercise and stop smoking? They would miss fewer days of work and would not take smoke breaks, so it would make them more effective. By your logic,that should be allowed and encouraged, yes?
 
2010-02-07 11:53:59 AM
LowbrowDeluxe: I'm not a big fan of police, but if a medical procedure lets him do his job/do it more effectively, then, well, okay. *shrug*


There does seem to be a self-control issue inherent in this story. Shouldn't some level of that be required to pass the psych screening?

"Sir, sir, I asked about your past emotional state, could you please put down the bacon-wrapped fried Mars bar and answer the question."
 
2010-02-07 12:02:23 PM
In a high-stress job, pounds tend to build up faster, and despite what you see on TV, being a cop is pretty monotonous most of the time. This doesn't sound like the worst idea I've heard lately.
 
2010-02-07 12:08:33 PM
e.Mudflap: The lapband only works IF the bandee (banded?) makes appropriate lifestyle changes.

/wife had lapband surgery
//twice!


I hate to say it, but you were had--twice!

Unless they are can't-get-out-of-the-house-because-my-ass-is-wider-than-the-door big, anybody can lose a significant amount of weight if they change their lifestyle, with no silly surgeries needed.

I did it over the course of 3 years and there's no flippin' way I'd go back to my old eating habits or become a sloth again. I also dropped over 100 lbs. in the process and have maybe gained 5 of them back (holidays and all that).

It's possible. You just have to want it bad enough and work hard at it.

/riding bike in marathon this year
//feels better than ever :)
 
2010-02-07 12:20:25 PM
safeinsane: e.Mudflap: The lapband only works IF the bandee (banded?) makes appropriate lifestyle changes.

/wife had lapband surgery
//twice!

I hate to say it, but you were had--twice!

Unless they are can't-get-out-of-the-house-because-my-ass-is-wider-than-the-door big, anybody can lose a significant amount of weight if they change their lifestyle, with no silly surgeries needed.

I did it over the course of 3 years and there's no flippin' way I'd go back to my old eating habits or become a sloth again. I also dropped over 100 lbs. in the process and have maybe gained 5 of them back (holidays and all that).

It's possible. You just have to want it bad enough and work hard at it.

/riding bike in marathon this year
//feels better than ever :)


If I understand correctly, your contention is that all people and bodies are exactly like yours,and that what works for you is the only thing that will work for anyone. Is that what you meant to say?

/congrats on losing the weight
 
2010-02-07 12:32:22 PM
Why is this a story? Cops are public employees. If the health insurance your taxes paid for refused to cover the operation, then it would be a story. Maybe.
 
2010-02-07 01:03:24 PM
MycroftHolmes: So,is it ok if I forcemy employees to exercise and stop smoking? They would miss fewer days of work and would not take smoke breaks, so it would make them more effective. By your logic,that should be allowed and encouraged, yes?

You have the most bizarre logic.

Yes, if your employees are smoking or eating to the point where they can no longer do their jobs, of course they should be required to either shape up or face the boot.MycroftHolmes: If I understand correctly, your contention is that all people and bodies are exactly like yours,and that what works for you is the only thing that will work for anyone. Is that what you meant to say?

Of course no one said that, and no one meant to say that. Are you drunk or something?
 
2010-02-07 01:10:05 PM
safeinsane: e.Mudflap: The lapband only works IF the bandee (banded?) makes appropriate lifestyle changes.

/wife had lapband surgery
//twice!

I hate to say it, but you were had--twice!


Nah. She was doing it right. She lost 60 lbs before the surgery but shortly afterwards, SOMEONE got her pregnant and she was throwing up almost daily during the whole pregnancy which most likely caused the band to slip. It had to either come out or be properly reaffixed and she chose the latter. My job is to just be supportive and not be a food nazi when she eats the occassional oreo.
 
2010-02-07 01:12:24 PM
RealFarknMcCoy2: My pr0n name is Tom Seaview: Mine cost $45K here in America.
Either things are a lot cheaper in Australia, or they're using a discount doctor...

Things *are* a lot cheaper in Australia. Just one of the many benefits of socialised medicine...


Economics fail.

Government regulation of any industry raises the costs of that industry, and health care is no exception. Socialized health care increases demand for it, then suffocates the incentive to increase the supply of it. Costs go up, and the supply gets rationed.

Also, nations with socialized medicine depend heavily on less regulated economies for innovation that increases the effectiveness and lowers the cost of treatment.

RealFarknMcCoy2:
And I'm OK with paying for some cop's gastric banding.
After all, everyone else helped pay for my (suspected) cancer surgery. :-)


radioman_: Why is this a story? Cops are public employees. If the health insurance your taxes paid for refused to cover the operation, then it would be a story. Maybe.

This isn't osteosarcoma, or leukemia, or even an occupational injury. It's purely an issue of personal irresponsibility. Pig gets to eat like a pig, and the taxpayers get hit with the cost of fixing it.

/And make a little room for the blimp in the blue hat.
 
2010-02-07 01:13:55 PM
MycroftHolmes: saluteyourshorts: Here's a simple solution to overweight cops. They take a severe pay cut and have to do physical training and get their car taken until they get back into good enough shape to do their job properly. They're evaluated regularly and are if fired if not making sufficient progress. The taxpayers are paying their salary, so it's not too much ask that they be physically capable of doing their job.

So,is it ok if I forcemy employees to exercise and stop smoking? They would miss fewer days of work and would not take smoke breaks, so it would make them more effective. By your logic,that should be allowed and encouraged, yes?


If it's to the point where it interferes with their job, then yes.
 
2010-02-07 01:36:43 PM
MycroftHolmes: saluteyourshorts: Here's a simple solution to overweight cops. They take a severe pay cut and have to do physical training and get their car taken until they get back into good enough shape to do their job properly. They're evaluated regularly and are if fired if not making sufficient progress. The taxpayers are paying their salary, so it's not too much ask that they be physically capable of doing their job.

So,is it ok if I forcemy employees to exercise and stop smoking? They would miss fewer days of work and would not take smoke breaks, so it would make them more effective. By your logic,that should be allowed and encouraged, yes?


If their job was related to their physical condition, and they voluntarily allowed their physical condition to deteriorate, and refused to remedy it, then yes.
 
2010-02-07 02:21:21 PM
As an Australian taxpayer, I don't have a problem with this.
 
2010-02-07 03:36:12 PM
Harriet Vane: As an Australian taxpayer, I don't have a problem with this.

You sound fat.
 
2010-02-07 04:58:34 PM
I'm okay with this. I'd rather my police not be too heavy to run after a suspect.
 
2010-02-07 05:57:16 PM
Much cheaper then the medical problems caused by obesity, they really add up.
 
2010-02-07 08:16:46 PM
geniusiknowit: RealFarknMcCoy2: My pr0n name is Tom Seaview: Mine cost $45K here in America.
Either things are a lot cheaper in Australia, or they're using a discount doctor...

Things *are* a lot cheaper in Australia. Just one of the many benefits of socialised medicine...

Economics fail.

Government regulation of any industry raises the costs of that industry, and health care is no exception. Socialized health care increases demand for it, then suffocates the incentive to increase the supply of it. Costs go up, and the supply gets rationed.

Also, nations with socialized medicine depend heavily on less regulated economies for innovation that increases the effectiveness and lowers the cost of treatment.

RealFarknMcCoy2:
And I'm OK with paying for some cop's gastric banding.
After all, everyone else helped pay for my (suspected) cancer surgery. :-)

radioman_: Why is this a story? Cops are public employees. If the health insurance your taxes paid for refused to cover the operation, then it would be a story. Maybe.

This isn't osteosarcoma, or leukemia, or even an occupational injury. It's purely an issue of personal irresponsibility. Pig gets to eat like a pig, and the taxpayers get hit with the cost of fixing it.

/And make a little room for the blimp in the blue hat.


The only part of that post that makes sense was fail, and you missed the context on that one.

/your source is a joke, as is your understanding of socialized healthcare
//it's not funny either
 
2010-02-07 10:56:39 PM
Clete Orris: Approves.

Thank you. Came for this.
 
2010-02-08 03:06:47 AM
I'd rather pay for the goddam lapband than the quadruple-bypass coronary following the third hospitalization from a heart attack, after years of disability due to diabetes. No matter how farking selfish you are, help pay for preventative and early care for other people, instead of ten times as much for their emergency and disability care.
 
2010-02-08 03:08:20 AM
sheikmagnet: On a personal note, I'm a little on the overweight side myself, nowhere near lapband territory though, more 'husky'. I cut out chocolate, alcohol, coffee, soft drinks (including "diet" drinks), and in the last 2 weeks I've lost about 5 kgs. I haven't even started at the gym yet.

That sucks, how will you ever be able to tell everyone where you have to be in 26 minutes at that rate? :p
 
2010-02-08 07:03:40 AM
geniusiknowit: RealFarknMcCoy2: My pr0n name is Tom Seaview: Mine cost $45K here in America.
Either things are a lot cheaper in Australia, or they're using a discount doctor...

Things *are* a lot cheaper in Australia. Just one of the many benefits of socialised medicine...

Economics fail.

Government regulation of any industry raises the costs of that industry, and health care is no exception. Socialized health care increases demand for it, then suffocates the incentive to increase the supply of it. Costs go up, and the supply gets rationed.

Also, nations with socialized medicine depend heavily on less regulated economies for innovation that increases the effectiveness and lowers the cost of treatment.




Guess what, Genius? YOU are the only failure here because Australia is already using this method, and we are getting better quality health care for cheaper prices. See, how that works is, we are a single payer, and we negotiate with the suppliers as a single entity. We tell them "here's what we're going to pay - take it or leave it." And because we are a single payer with an awful lot of clout (i.e., purchasing for more than 20 million people), they take it. But you feel free to keep taking it up the arse, since that seems to be what you like.
 
2010-02-08 07:37:26 AM
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to just hire R. Lee Ermey to train their cops?
 
2010-02-08 01:51:36 PM
Kareeshus: MycroftHolmes: So,is it ok if I forcemy employees to exercise and stop smoking? They would miss fewer days of work and would not take smoke breaks, so it would make them more effective. By your logic,that should be allowed and encouraged, yes?

You have the most bizarre logic.

Yes, if your employees are smoking or eating to the point where they can no longer do their jobs, of course they should be required to either shape up or face the boot.


Actually, the logic is very clear. You objection is because I take it to a logical conclusion which you reject.

Police officers have components of their job which do not require physical fitness, and components that do. Would greater physical fitness help them do their job, probably, which is why I used the example I did. I did not read any reference in the article that said that they could not do their job, that is everyone's assumption or projection.

The point is, at which point do you feel it is ok for an employer to dictate lifestyle?


MycroftHolmes: If I understand correctly, your contention is that all people and bodies are exactly like yours,and that what works for you is the only thing that will work for anyone. Is that what you meant to say?

Of course no one said that, and no one meant to say that. Are you drunk or something?



The original poster said that someone else's wife had been had, because he was able to lose weight without gastric banding. How else do you interpret that? He is basically saying that if it worked for him, it should work for everyone.
 
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