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(Air Force Times)   US military orders all bases worldwide to stock morning-after pills so no one can use pregnancy to get out of deployments   (airforcetimes.com) divider line 104
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2010-02-06 12:41:35 PM  
OR, U.S. Military ALLOWS morning after pill to be available for the first time in history.

/I like mine better
 
2010-02-06 12:49:41 PM  
Now I love a woman in uniform.
 
2010-02-06 01:06:38 PM  
nvmac: OR, U.S. Military ALLOWS morning after pill to be available for the first time in history.

/I like mine better


Actually, some bases stocked the morning-after pill as emergency contraception for rape victims. For example, I recall a Stars and Stripes article about the same at Ramstein AB and Landstuhl.
 
2010-02-06 01:46:39 PM  
I wonder how the pro-life/pro-war Republicans will handle this announcement?

for that matter, i'm still amazed there ARE pro-life/pro-war Republicans. the cognitive dissonance on that philosophy has the potential to rip reality apart at the seams.
 
2010-02-06 01:51:58 PM  
Company...a-ten-HUT!
Right hand...PILL!
Ready...ABORT!
 
2010-02-06 02:22:26 PM  
Weaver95: i'm still amazed there ARE pro-life/pro-war Republicans. the cognitive dissonance on that philosophy has the potential to rip reality apart at the seams.

Don't make me post Republican Jesus.
 
2010-02-06 02:58:42 PM  
Weaver95: I wonder how the pro-life/pro-war Republicans will handle this announcement?

for that matter, i'm still amazed there ARE pro-life/pro-war Republicans. the cognitive dissonance on that philosophy has the potential to rip reality apart at the seams.


blogs.ajc.com

Pro-Lifers think brown people are a different species, so shooting them is okay.
 
2010-02-06 02:59:21 PM  
See what happens when you let gays in the military?
 
2010-02-06 03:00:12 PM  
Next thing you know they'll think that a woman should be allowed to vote or own property! I tell you, this country is going to hell because of you liberal extremists!
 
2010-02-06 03:00:17 PM  
nvmac: OR, U.S. Military ALLOWS morning after pill to be available for the first time in history.

/I like mine better


Subby evidently didn't even RTFA. Normally it's only the posters that avoid that.
 
2010-02-06 03:02:11 PM  
Weaver95: I wonder how the pro-life/pro-war Republicans will handle this announcement?

for that matter, i'm still amazed there ARE pro-life/pro-war Republicans. the cognitive dissonance on that philosophy has the potential to rip reality apart at the seams.


Your answer (Hint: They're all butthurt about it) (new window)
 
2010-02-06 03:02:20 PM  
FTFA:

The drug, which contains a high dose of birth control pills,



What does that even mean?
 
2010-02-06 03:02:49 PM  
Try #2 (new window)
 
2010-02-06 03:04:02 PM  
Outrage from the fundies that run much of the military in 4...3...2...
 
2010-02-06 03:04:25 PM  
crab66
What does that even mean?

It means that it gives you a larger dose of the same drugs that are in regular birth control pills, which causes the zygote to not implant in the uterine wall.
 
2010-02-06 03:05:00 PM  
Sgt Otter: Weaver95: I wonder how the pro-life/pro-war Republicans will handle this announcement?

for that matter, i'm still amazed there ARE pro-life/pro-war Republicans. the cognitive dissonance on that philosophy has the potential to rip reality apart at the seams.



Pro-Lifers think brown people who aren't kings of oil rich nations are a different species, so shooting them is okay.


FTFY
 
2010-02-06 03:05:08 PM  
vernonFL: See what happens when you let gays in the military?

img109.imageshack.us
 
2010-02-06 03:05:18 PM  
Xetal: crab66
What does that even mean?

It means that it gives you a larger dose of the same drugs that are in regular birth control pills, which causes the zygote to not implant in the uterine wall.


They way it's phrased is the dumb.
 
2010-02-06 03:07:13 PM  
crab66
They way it's phrased is the dumb.

Agreed
 
2010-02-06 03:08:55 PM  
crab66: FTFA:

The drug, which contains a high dose of birth control pills,



What does that even mean?


I imagined a cheeseball with birth control pills instead of almonds on the outside.
 
2010-02-06 03:11:55 PM  
Came here looking for what a woman in the military who would use a morning after pill might look like. Leaving disappointed.

/off to GIS girls of the IDF
 
2010-02-06 03:16:43 PM  
This isn't going to stop it from happening, it just gives the offenders less excuses when it comes to punishment time.
 
2010-02-06 03:18:26 PM  
You can bring a horse---

oh...

Right. Rape.

Some don't report it.


Nevermind.
 
2010-02-06 03:20:46 PM  
St_Francis_P: Weaver95: i'm still amazed there ARE pro-life/pro-war Republicans. the cognitive dissonance on that philosophy has the potential to rip reality apart at the seams.

Don't make me post Republican Jesus.


I posted Republican Jesus once. It took nine hundred and eleven stamps.
 
2010-02-06 03:21:18 PM  
CrispFlows: You can bring a horse---

oh...

Right. Rape.

Some don't report it.


Nevermind.


You can rape a horse with water, but only if you spike his drink?
 
2010-02-06 03:23:30 PM  
see if was only gays and lesbians in military then they would not have this problem
 
2010-02-06 03:24:39 PM  
The All-Powerful Atheismo: CrispFlows: You can bring a horse---

oh...

Right. Rape.

Some don't report it.


Nevermind.

You can rape a horse with water, but only if you spike his drink?


Now THAT is one porn that doesn't exist.
 
2010-02-06 03:24:56 PM  
Anyone arguing that the morning-after pill is equivalent to abortion needs to go back to 9th grade health class.

I also think military hospitals should stock RU-486 (the abotion pill) and should perform abortions. Last time I checked, abortion was still legal in this country. Also, last time I checked, women were still getting kicked out--'scuse me, discharged--from the military for getting knocked up. So give them some legal options or quityerbiatchin.

And yeah, obviously these rapists, be they military or civilian contractors, need to be punished the same way they would in the US.
 
2010-02-06 03:26:09 PM  
Weaver95: I wonder how the pro-life/pro-war Republicans will handle this announcement?

for that matter, i'm still amazed there ARE pro-life/pro-war Republicans. the cognitive dissonance on that philosophy has the potential to rip reality apart at the seams.


Why's that? Being pro-war doesn't mean you support huge perpetual killing fields of bloody gore as engines to slake our unquenchable thirst for slaughter. Wars are engages generally for complex and serious reasons. Being for a war generally means you think those reasons are worth military action. It has little to do with being pro choice/life. Pro-fife people really just like to define a full, equal life (in my opinion) way to freaking early and then consider all abortions to be common murder.
 
2010-02-06 03:29:59 PM  
booklover555: Also, last time I checked, women were still getting kicked out--'scuse me, discharged--from the military for getting knocked up.

The existence of maternity BDU's/ABU's/dress blues/dress greens/etc would seem to disagree with that statement.
 
2010-02-06 03:30:15 PM  
And the colonels and generals need to stop being so farking naive. You've got people sequestered in the middle of the desert with nothing to do and nowhere to go on their off time (except watch internet porn, also technically illegal), you won't let them get drunk, and then you act all shocked when they wanna fark? When ththey might die tomorrow?

Who doesn't wanna fark in those conditions.

/already sent my deployed boyfriend some condoms.
//I live in the real world.
 
2010-02-06 03:31:28 PM  
My buddy just got back for the Iraq and he tells me the military girls are all sloots. Basically as he puts it; they're the grosses bar fly types you'll find around. The only reason they're over there is to be lazy and fark the boys. Cheating on wives and g/f's is very commmon there. He out ranked them so he got to tell them to fark off and put them on menial labor type projects.
 
2010-02-06 03:32:52 PM  
YouPeopleAreCrazy: booklover555: Also, last time I checked, women were still getting kicked out--'scuse me, discharged--from the military for getting knocked up.

The existence of maternity BDU's/ABU's/dress blues/dress greens/etc would seem to disagree with that statement.


Depends on the individual, her contract, and the timing of her contract and her pregnancy.

Also, reservists (who also wearing ACUs, etc) are allowed to be pregnant.
 
2010-02-06 03:33:00 PM  
booklover555: Also, last time I checked, women were still getting kicked out--'scuse me, discharged--from the military for getting knocked up.

When was the last time you checked? Because that's not what happens.
 
2010-02-06 03:34:03 PM  
booklover555: And the colonels and generals need to stop being so farking naive. You've got people sequestered in the middle of the desert with nothing to do and nowhere to go on their off time (except watch internet porn, also technically illegal), you won't let them get drunk, and then you act all shocked when they wanna fark? When ththey might die tomorrow?

Who doesn't wanna fark in those conditions.

/already sent my deployed boyfriend some condoms.
//I live in the real world.


...you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2010-02-06 03:34:20 PM  
CrispFlows: The All-Powerful Atheismo: CrispFlows: You can bring a horse---

oh...

Right. Rape.

Some don't report it.



Nevermind.

You can rape a horse with water, but only if you spike his drink?

Now THAT is one porn that doesn't exist.


Please don't make me GIS that to prove you wrong.
 
2010-02-06 03:40:18 PM  
ZipSplat: booklover555: Also, last time I checked, women were still getting kicked out--'scuse me, discharged--from the military for getting knocked up.

When was the last time you checked? Because that's not what happens.


If a female soldier in Iraq is found to be pregnant (whether it happened in Iraq or stateside), she is shipped back to the rear (the US) and potentially court-martialed--that's policy. This is why Gen Cucolo in Northern Iraq wanted to crack down on pregnant soldiers--leads to personnel problems. He was just reiterating a policy that was already in place, but he got a lot of negative attention for it, so he backed off. http://abcnews.go.com/WN/general-backs-off-threat-court-martial-pregnant-soldier s/story?id=9399604

Once back in the US, the female soldier is "highly encouraged," in most cases, to go on reserve status or not re-up her contract. Unless she has some special skill the Army finds useful, of course.
 
2010-02-06 03:41:08 PM  
LeroyBourne: My buddy just got back for the Iraq and he tells me the military girls are all sloots. Basically as he puts it; they're the grosses bar fly types you'll find around. The only reason they're over there is to be lazy and fark the boys. Cheating on wives and g/f's is very commmon there. He out ranked them so he got to tell them to fark off and put them on menial labor type projects.

Your buddy sounds like a farking idiot.
 
2010-02-06 03:41:29 PM  
i wonder if this will open the doors to more military funded abortion. military funded abortion has never, ever been allowed and is actually part of the brainwashing yelling at Marine boot camp: "not authorized: military funded abortions!"

i hope it progresses to first trimester abortion sponsoring, but given the enormous right wing influence i wonder if that can even happen.

this may get very interesting.
 
2010-02-06 03:41:35 PM  
Nebulious:
Why's that? Being pro-war doesn't mean you support huge perpetual killing fields of bloody gore as engines to slake our unquenchable thirst for slaughter.


Are you sure about that?

s.bebo.com
 
2010-02-06 03:41:50 PM  
booklover555: Also, last time I checked, women were still getting kicked out--'scuse me, discharged--from the military for getting knocked up. So give them some legal options or quityerbiatchin.

It's been said already, but you have no idea what you're talking about. A pregnant soldier, sailor, airman, or Marine is non-deployable, meaning they remain behind at their stateside base on Rear Detachment, while the rest of the battalion goes to Iraq or Afghanistan.

A pregnant servicemember, MAY, AT HER OWN DISCRETION, take a pregnancy discharge. It's entirely optional, and cannot be forced upon her.

Once she gives birth, if she can not come up with a valid Family Care Plan (which is a designated guardian for the child, to provide care for the child while the single parent is deployed or in the field for extended periods of time), THEN she would be involuntarily discharged.
 
2010-02-06 03:43:51 PM  
Sgt Otter: booklover555: Also, last time I checked, women were still getting kicked out--'scuse me, discharged--from the military for getting knocked up. So give them some legal options or quityerbiatchin.

It's been said already, but you have no idea what you're talking about. A pregnant soldier, sailor, airman, or Marine is non-deployable, meaning they remain behind at their stateside base on Rear Detachment, while the rest of the battalion goes to Iraq or Afghanistan.

A pregnant servicemember, MAY, AT HER OWN DISCRETION, take a pregnancy discharge. It's entirely optional, and cannot be forced upon her.

Once she gives birth, if she can not come up with a valid Family Care Plan (which is a designated guardian for the child, to provide care for the child while the single parent is deployed or in the field for extended periods of time), THEN she would be involuntarily discharged.


what about birth control implants? wouldn't it be easier just to make it an order for all women in the military to get a birth control implant for the duration of their tour of duty?
 
2010-02-06 03:44:32 PM  
ZipSplat: booklover555: And the colonels and generals need to stop being so farking naive. You've got people sequestered in the middle of the desert with nothing to do and nowhere to go on their off time (except watch internet porn, also technically illegal), you won't let them get drunk, and then you act all shocked when they wanna fark? When ththey might die tomorrow?

Who doesn't wanna fark in those conditions.

/already sent my deployed boyfriend some condoms.
//I live in the real world.

...you have no idea what you're talking about.


Ok, prove me wrong. No, I've never been deployed, but I know a lot of people who have. Also, I know some medical personnel employed at military hospitals...when brigades return to the US, the hospitals are swamped with STD cases.

/sure, not everybody over there is farking
//bad ratios, and some people are playing lots of WoW
 
2010-02-06 03:47:40 PM  
booklover555: Depends on the individual, her contract, and the timing of her contract and her pregnancy.

Also, reservists (who also wearing ACUs, etc) are allowed to be pregnant.


Ok, let me annotate for you all the ways in which you are wrong:
1) It is perfectly fine to get pregnant in the military, the only stipulation being that you cannot REPORT IT in a combat zone or on a ship. If you happen to show up 3 months pregnant at the Camp Pendleton Base Hospital two days after coming home from your Iraq deployment, so be it. No action will be taken.

2) There is no special area of anyone's contract making any sort of stipulation about pregnancy, period. Contracts are boilerplate. And there is no stipulation differentiating Reservists and AD members.

3) If your boyfriend is somewhere with women (ie: not "outside the wire" or on a firebase) then he is also probably near a PX, which are stocked with condoms the world around. Sending him condoms is a waste of time, money, and postage. Also, if he is around women, he is probably not in much danger of dying any time soon because he's probably not actually doing anything in a combat arms capacity.

4) Women are demographically rare. Women farking are only slightly rarer. While most people probably want to have sex simply because that's what we do, the type of women who are farking (and especially farking multiple men) are not the type of women a respectable man would fark. They're (as someone noted earlier) disgusting bar flies, most of which DO have STDs (oh, yes, word gets around from the med shed).
 
2010-02-06 03:53:24 PM  
booklover555: If a female soldier in Iraq is found to be pregnant (whether it happened in Iraq or stateside), she is shipped back to the rear (the US) and potentially court-martialed--that's policy.

Yes, and I could "potentially" be face a court-martial if my cell phone goes off in a formation. No one has been faced court-martial since the policy went into effect, it's basically been a series of reprimands. NO ONE has been kicked out, that's never even been put on the table.

As Sgt Otter said earlier, the only reason a service member would be kicked out for being pregnant is if they failed to come up wit a family care plan. And that's pretty hard to not be able to do unless you are an orphan yourself who had an immaculate conception and you have no friends.
 
2010-02-06 03:55:58 PM  
Weaver95: Sgt Otter: booklover555:

/snip

what about birth control implants? wouldn't it be easier just to make it an order for all women in the military to get a birth control implant for the duration of their tour of duty?


Not arguing, but not every female can handle those damned implants (I can't), the side effects can be seriously nasty, and they are not as reliable as the pill.

/haven't had occasion to say hi lately, howdy, Weaver95!
 
2010-02-06 04:02:57 PM  
Tallykat: Weaver95: Sgt Otter: booklover555:

/snip

what about birth control implants? wouldn't it be easier just to make it an order for all women in the military to get a birth control implant for the duration of their tour of duty?

Not arguing, but not every female can handle those damned implants (I can't), the side effects can be seriously nasty, and they are not as reliable as the pill.

/haven't had occasion to say hi lately, howdy, Weaver95!


with all the money we spend on the defense budget, you'd figure we could find an effective method of birth control for the troops in the field....
 
2010-02-06 04:04:53 PM  
ZipSplat: booklover555: Depends on the individual, her contract, and the timing of her contract and her pregnancy.

Also, reservists (who also wearing ACUs, etc) are allowed to be pregnant.

Ok, let me annotate for you all the ways in which you are wrong:
1) It is perfectly fine to get pregnant in the military, the only stipulation being that you cannot REPORT IT in a combat zone or on a ship. If you happen to show up 3 months pregnant at the Camp Pendleton Base Hospital two days after coming home from your Iraq deployment, so be it. No action will be taken.


I'm not talking about that situation. I'm talking about people who end up visibly pregnant in Iraq. Cucolo mentioned that a few of them had actually gotten preggers before deploying. It's not "perfectly" fine; they get shipped back to the rear and cause staffing issues. Cucolo was threatening court maritals but backed off when various groups and senators freaked out.

2) There is no special area of anyone's contract making any sort of stipulation about pregnancy, period. Contracts are boilerplate. And there is no stipulation differentiating Reservists and AD members.


I'm talking more about the timing of the pregnancy in relation to the contract. But you're right, contracts don't mention pregnancy directly.


3) If your boyfriend is somewhere with women (ie: not "outside the wire" or on a firebase) then he is also probably near a PX, which are stocked with condoms the world around. Sending him condoms is a waste of time, money, and postage. Also, if he is around women, he is probably not in much danger of dying any time soon because he's probably not actually doing anything in a combat arms capacity.

I realize he's (most likely) not going to die in Iraq. That said, the mindframe is different over there, no? And sending the condoms was more symbolic than anything else. Didn't think I needed to explain that, but I guess I did.

4) Women are demographically rare. Women farking are only slightly rarer. While most people probably want to have sex simply because that's what we do, the type of women who are farking (and especially farking multiple men) are not the type of women a respectable man would fark. They're (as someone noted earlier) disgusting bar flies, most of which DO have STDs (oh, yes, word gets around from the med shed).


I see where you are coming from with this part. That said, I have met many of the women in his unit and brigade and most of them aren't skanky, but I do know the type of woman and the stereotype you are talking about. However, painting all female soldiers with this brush really doesn't jibe with my acquaintances, many of whom are female officers or have some specialized MOS beyond working as cooks.

Thanks for answering my questions in a reasonable and fact-based. I appreciate your logic, even if we disagree on some things.
 
2010-02-06 04:07:29 PM  
Now I love a woman in uniform. With her vagina overflowing with my semen that it seeps into her panties!
 
2010-02-06 04:10:27 PM  
Weaver95:
what about birth control implants? wouldn't it be easier just to make it an order for all women in the military to get a birth control implant for the duration of their tour of duty?


I personally would not have a problem with it (hey, I had to get the farking Anthrax vaccine), but I'm sure various civil liberties, feminist, and the Servicemembers' Legal Defense Fund would. The ironic thing is, is that the "Go Home Free" card for pregnancy usually hurts other female soldiers the most.

We had four maintenance clerks in our Support Company. All were female. Two got pregnant and were sent home. The other two had to work twice as hard to cover their knocked-up asses.

Then there's the bad publicity. The civilian press tends to completely misunderstand and misrepresent even the simplest of military regulations, especially in the case of photogenic female soldiers (1LT Kelly Flinn comes to mind) or mothers who drag their kids in front of the cameras when they're ordered to deploy.
 
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