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(Chron)   $144M Texas lottery winner to give 60% of winnings to charity: "The greatest gift my parents gave me was to be raised a Christian, and God told me I could get by on only $58M"   (chron.com) divider line 199
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2010-02-05 08:20:12 PM  
What a coincidence, I have a cat named Charity.
 
2010-02-05 08:42:19 PM  
My BF's grandpa won a CRAP-TON in the Brazillian lottery a long while ago. He was two steps away from death and a devout Catholic, so he signed away the entire winnings to his church instead of his family. Not really such a terrible move, it went to something he loved and he died believing that he did some good in the world. Which is nice, because the heads of that church took all the money and used it for good Christian things like expensive cars and whores. Jesus would be proud.

/cool story
 
2010-02-05 08:44:10 PM  
Word.

//10-15 year old meme
//Da Winnah
 
2010-02-05 09:34:27 PM  
Isn't that how much he's going to have after the IRS takes their share, anyway?
 
2010-02-05 10:35:04 PM  
wyltoknow: Which is nice, because the heads of that church took all the money and used it for good Christian things like expensive cars and whores.

Don't forget paying the lawsuit awards to people who were molested by priests.
 
2010-02-05 10:36:36 PM  
wyltoknow: My BF's grandpa won a CRAP-TON in the Brazillian lottery a long while ago. He was two steps away from death and a devout Catholic, so he signed away the entire winnings to his church instead of his family. Not really such a terrible move, it went to something he loved and he died believing that he did some good in the world. Which is nice, because the heads of that church took all the money and used it for good Christian things like expensive cars and whores. Jesus would be proud.

/cool story


That sucks.
 
2010-02-05 11:00:44 PM  
Mark 10:21
 
2010-02-05 11:13:44 PM  
Dear God,

If you bless me with a lottery winning of $144 million, I will donate 99% to charity.

Sincerely,
jebusfreak
 
2010-02-05 11:14:35 PM  
Forgive me if I don't jump on the 'Hero' bandwagon for this guy. He's still keeping a sizable chunk of change for himself. But it is a nice gesture.
 
2010-02-05 11:18:21 PM  
tax churches
 
2010-02-05 11:25:02 PM  
I'm sure that none of the money at all will find its way to the Knights of Columbus and any attendant political campaigns.
 
2010-02-05 11:32:32 PM  
That'll buy a lot of Haiti orphans...
 
2010-02-05 11:34:46 PM  
WTF Indeed: That'll buy a lot of Haiti orphans...

/thread over
 
2010-02-05 11:36:53 PM  
God is my co-pilot accountant.
 
2010-02-05 11:37:24 PM  
I hate these people who give the majority of their winnings to charity or a church. It's so diluted by the time it trickles down to the point of helping someone that you're better off just keeping it or helping out your friends and family, at least that way you can pick and choose exactly who you're helping out.
 
2010-02-05 11:38:27 PM  
Cagey B: I'm sure that none of the money at all will find its way to the Knights of Columbus and any attendant political campaigns.

Because atheists are completely uninvolved in politics.

\Pot/Kettle/etc.
 
2010-02-05 11:39:16 PM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: tax churches

this
 
2010-02-05 11:39:37 PM  
Donating to a fraudulous organization is not virtuous.
 
2010-02-05 11:39:38 PM  
IDIOT

last thing churchs need is more money
 
2010-02-05 11:40:26 PM  
God said he could also toss 1MIL my direction, or at least sponsor me for TOTALFARK.
 
2010-02-05 11:40:44 PM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: tax churches

Amen.
 
2010-02-05 11:42:16 PM  
Want to make a difference? Set up scholarships to colleges. We need more educated people, not the opposite.
 
2010-02-05 11:44:31 PM  
I wonder if $58 million could finally score me an ULTRAFARK accou,....,,/&"[carrier lost]
 
2010-02-05 11:44:37 PM  
***groan***

Well, at least they're grateful for the money, instead of the Salvation Army or other charities who think gambling's a sin.

/Gambling's more of a pain in the ass. Once you hit a jackpot, ALL of your "frenemies" come out of the woodworks.
 
2010-02-05 11:45:42 PM  
WTF Indeed: That'll buy a lot of Haiti orphans...

aren't those free?
 
2010-02-05 11:45:44 PM  
I think that money should go towards teaching virgins to fark.
 
2010-02-05 11:45:59 PM  
wyltoknow: My BF's grandpa won a CRAP-TON in the Brazillian lottery a long while ago.


Did he win a brazillian dollars?


cryinoutloud :
Isn't that how much he's going to have after the IRS takes their share, anyway?



Give him a day for the greed to fester. Then he will say that, 'yes, the government is my charity, and they got theirs!'
 
2010-02-05 11:48:04 PM  
Flissss: Donating to a fraudulous organization is not virtuous.

He's donating it to an orphanage, Haiti relief, and a retired nuns' nursing home.

I think that's pretty damned virtuous, especially because if I was giving away that much money, it would be for a building with my name on it on one of my alma maters' campuses.
 
2010-02-05 11:48:46 PM  
Try 30-53 million

Remember Uncle Sam takes his cut off the top.
 
2010-02-05 11:49:27 PM  
Crosshair: Because atheists are completely uninvolved in politics.

Yeah, it was a real bummer when the Church of Atheism™ dropped a shiat ton of money in Nebraska that one time to pass a ballot initiative to make everyone dress like Joseph Stalin on Tuesdays. Someone should revoke their tax-exempt status.
 
2010-02-05 11:51:24 PM  
Flissss: Want to make a difference? Set up scholarships to colleges. We need more educated people, not the opposite.

Supply side education policy makes as much sense as supply side economic policy.

A better idea would be to invest in a small business that does something you like. That would increase demand for engineers and make it more compelling for people to get an education.
 
2010-02-05 11:52:09 PM  
good for him
 
2010-02-05 11:52:45 PM  
Yea, we'll see what happens when he has the money in hand and it's time to cut that big check.

Skeptical farker is skeptical.
 
2010-02-05 11:53:48 PM  
The Icelander: Flissss: Want to make a difference? Set up scholarships to colleges. We need more educated people, not the opposite.

Supply side education policy makes as much sense as supply side economic policy.

A better idea would be to invest in a small business that does something you like. That would increase demand for engineers and make it more compelling for people to get an education.


From what I've gathered, most of us have finished some kind of schooling....
 
2010-02-05 11:56:42 PM  
cryinoutloud: Isn't that how much he's going to have after the IRS takes their share, anyway?

It's like 35%, but there's also a huge penalty for not taking yearly payments. So you're not even close to getting $144 million when they advertise it.
 
2010-02-05 11:58:25 PM  
jimi32: From what I've gathered, most of us have finished some kind of schooling....

For instance, I learned a bunch when your mom blew me for a pack of smokes and some bus fare. I graduated into adulthood magna cum loudly that day.

/ I kid
// I just let her bum a smoke
 
2010-02-05 11:59:45 PM  
Thank God for God, you know? No one would be giving to charities if not for him.
 
2010-02-06 12:01:02 AM  
My God!!!! This thread has almost turned political already!!!! Farkers (including myself) need a life.
 
2010-02-06 12:02:47 AM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: tax churches

Then they get an active voice in government. No thanks.
 
2010-02-06 12:04:08 AM  
Awesome T-Shirt: Britney Spear's Speculum: tax churches

Then they get an active voice in government. No thanks.


You make it sound as if they don't have one already. Please.
 
2010-02-06 12:11:12 AM  
jebusfreak: Dear God,

If you bless me with a lottery winning of $144 million, I will donate 99% to charity.

Sincerely,
jebusfreak


That amount of money is just gross.
 
2010-02-06 12:11:27 AM  
God also told you you should receive a handjob from an athletic 37-year old woman who knows her way around a hardon. the fee for that should be around two million dollars.

Don't fark with god. You know about his wrath and stuff.

And yes. For 2M I would whip your peen into I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.
 
2010-02-06 12:11:31 AM  
Cagey B: Yeah, it was a real bummer when the Church of Atheism™ dropped a shiat ton of money in Nebraska that one time to pass a ballot initiative to make everyone dress like Joseph Stalin on Tuesdays. Someone should revoke their tax-exempt status.

I guess you are unaware of groups like the Secular Coalition for America.

All I'm pointing out is that everybody has their politics. Atheists are no better and no worse in this regard. Both have their extremists, their good and their bad.
 
2010-02-06 12:11:46 AM  
jimi32: From what I've gathered, most of us have finished some kind of schooling....

Yes, but it will get a couple more engineers to get employed, which will create vacancies, which will raise demand for engineers, which will make engineering a more attractive option for some talented high school kid.

If they just created a scholarship they'd give someone a degree but there's no guarantee they'll find a job to use that degree
 
2010-02-06 12:11:51 AM  
So...

Charity or church?

There is a difference. A quick glance tells me he's spreading it around. Looks like he made the mistake of not immediately moving, ditching his old phone and getting a P.O. Box.

I think if he talks to a CPA he might be able to do more if he can get the pre-tax amount chiseled away at for 503(c) non-profit organizations.
 
2010-02-06 12:12:22 AM  
EL_FABREZ: cryinoutloud: Isn't that how much he's going to have after the IRS takes their share, anyway?

It's like 35%, but there's also a huge penalty for not taking yearly payments. So you're not even close to getting $144 million when they advertise it.


Half off seems to be the usual penalty for lump sum, but I wouldn't know if Texas does it that way. The article does a poor job of explaining whether the $144M is before or after any such reduction other than implying that it's pretax.

*snort* If he were in California or Oregon, he'd also lose about 10-11% or so to state income tax, IIRC.
 
2010-02-06 12:13:59 AM  
can you delete a fark account?
 
2010-02-06 12:14:36 AM  
Good for him.
 
2010-02-06 12:15:51 AM  
Crosshair: Cagey B: I'm sure that none of the money at all will find its way to the Knights of Columbus and any attendant political campaigns.

Because atheists are completely uninvolved in politics.

\Pot/Kettle/etc.


You mean atheists that pay taxes?
 
2010-02-06 12:16:18 AM  
Flissss: Want to make a difference? Set up scholarships to colleges. We need more educated people, not the opposite.

There's an argument to be made that setting up college scholarship money mostly helps the already well-off in terms of education, because people who had a lousy upbringing (e.g. personal laziness combined with uneducated parents who don't care) aren't likely to fare well even if they've got full rides.
 
2010-02-06 12:16:46 AM  
Korovyov: EL_FABREZ: cryinoutloud: Isn't that how much he's going to have after the IRS takes their share, anyway?

It's like 35%, but there's also a huge penalty for not taking yearly payments. So you're not even close to getting $144 million when they advertise it.

Half off seems to be the usual penalty for lump sum, but I wouldn't know if Texas does it that way. The article does a poor job of explaining whether the $144M is before or after any such reduction other than implying that it's pretax.

*snort* If he were in California or Oregon, he'd also lose about 10-11% or so to state income tax, IIRC.



It was a $144 million jackpot/pretax. It was the Mega Millions. I know because I pay the stupid tax.
 
2010-02-06 12:16:46 AM  
He's already going to be giving most of it away... to the IRS and others. Plus if you take a lump sum, the Lotto folks will only pay a percentage.

He'll still get a nice amount, but kinda sucks having to pay the govt. millions for not being involved in any way in the risk.
 
2010-02-06 12:19:37 AM  
Fluff Girl: God also told you you should receive a handjob from an athletic 37-year old woman who knows her way around a hardon. the fee for that should be around two million dollars.

Don't fark with god. You know about his wrath and stuff.

And yes. For 2M I would whip your peen into I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


What'll fifty bucks get me? :P
 
2010-02-06 12:19:41 AM  
"You got five dollars and you gotta give somebody two-fifty? Tahts a lot of money"

/half is lots
 
2010-02-06 12:19:59 AM  
Good. The Pope needs a few new hats.
 
2010-02-06 12:20:03 AM  
If I ever win the lottery, I'll be donating a sizable chunk to animal rescues and no - kill shelters.
 
2010-02-06 12:20:04 AM  
If I ever won the lottery I would do something very similar. Probably not 60% of my take, but a large percentage would be put into interest earning accounts that would be donated to various charities every year.

I think this guy has the right idea, He can comfortably live on 10-15 million and spoil his family and friends, why shouldn't he share his good luck with people or charities he thinks deserve it.
 
2010-02-06 12:20:25 AM  
He's given away by far a much larger percent than Bill Gates who got a huge thread of people praising him the other day.
 
2010-02-06 12:20:37 AM  
The Icelander: Flissss: Want to make a difference? Set up scholarships to colleges. We need more educated people, not the opposite.

Supply side education policy makes as much sense as supply side economic policy.

A better idea would be to invest in a small business that does something you like. That would increase demand for engineers and make it more compelling for people to get an education.


i could easily and would do that with less then that

2 or 3 paqckages of cad software, 20-30k, faro arm with the laser scanne ? 10k-15k+? reverse engineering software 25k, server, laptop, desktop, probably 20k, office space + small warehouse/shop? and at at least 2 3dprinters/rapid prototyping machines
 
2010-02-06 12:22:05 AM  
Benevolent Misanthrope: Awesome T-Shirt: Britney Spear's Speculum: tax churches

Then they get an active voice in government. No thanks.

You make it sound as if they don't have one already. Please.


if they're saying to endorse a candidate, please tell the IRS
 
2010-02-06 12:23:15 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: He's given away by far a much larger percent than Bill Gates who got a huge thread of people praising him the other day.

Bill gates didn't give his money to an already wealthy church to cover for their child molestation payouts.
 
2010-02-06 12:23:36 AM  
jimi32: can you delete a fark account?

perhaps if your name is drew curtis, or moderator
 
2010-02-06 12:25:06 AM  
loonatic112358: Benevolent Misanthrope: Awesome T-Shirt: Britney Spear's Speculum: tax churches

Then they get an active voice in government. No thanks.

You make it sound as if they don't have one already. Please.

if they're saying to endorse a candidate, please tell the IRS


IRS lets them. Really has for decades.
 
2010-02-06 12:25:30 AM  
Korovyov: *snort* If he were in California or Oregon, he'd also lose about 10-11% or so to state income tax, IIRC.

From the CA lottery website:
Are prizes taxable?
All prizes are subject to Federal income taxes and other offsets required by law. However, there are no state/local taxes.
 
2010-02-06 12:25:48 AM  
God obviously didn't tell this individual about the effect taxes would have on their winnings.
 
2010-02-06 12:26:45 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: He's given away by far a much larger percent than Bill Gates who got a huge thread of people praising him the other day.

Gates is trying to wipe out malaria by funding science and medicine. Giving all the money in the world to priests and shamans so that they can pray (prey) over the sick cannot compare.
 
2010-02-06 12:27:52 AM  
jebusfreak: Dear God,

If you bless me with a lottery winning of $144 million, I will donate 99% to charity.

Sincerely,
jebusfreak


I'm going to toss the money in the air, whatever god catches he can keep.
 
2010-02-06 12:28:57 AM  
The_Terminator: God obviously didn't tell this individual about the effect taxes would have on their winnings.

"The greatest gift my parents gave me was to be raised a Christian. I plan to give 60 percent of all after-tax winnings to charity," Kiefer, 59, said in a statement released Friday by the Texas Lottery Commission.


I'm beginning to think he should have said "fark it" and started a literacy campaign for farkers.
 
2010-02-06 12:29:11 AM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: tax churches
=============================================

YES PLEASE!

/Course, the part they then donate to charity can then be written off.
//Everything they keep for themselves... tax it!
 
2010-02-06 12:29:20 AM  
Give money to the taxman or jeebus, taxman or jeebus. Hmm... My boss is a BEATLE!

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2010-02-06 12:29:31 AM  
loonatic112358: if they're saying to endorse a candidate, please tell the IRS

There was this ballot initiative one time. Perhaps you've heard of it.
 
2010-02-06 12:30:33 AM  
I agree with this. I don't play the lottery (I think it's a waste of money), but I can't see keeping that kind of money. What would I do with $50 million? I could extremely comfortably keep 5 million (or much less) in the bank and live off the interest (including setting up a retirement fund). I'd likely give it out in smaller increments spread over many organizations to keep any one group from getting too big of a windfall. It also would be nice to give out money to friends and family, or anyone who seemed like they needed a hand.

I think it's terrific that he's giving so much money away, and I expect he'll give more of his winnings too (in the form of family and friends). Hopefully he sets aside money for himself so he doesn't run out like too many "winners" do.


JoeShow: If I ever won the lottery I would do something very similar. Probably not 60% of my take, but a large percentage would be put into interest earning accounts that would be donated to various charities every year.

I think this guy has the right idea, He can comfortably live on 10-15 million and spoil his family and friends, why shouldn't he share his good luck with people or charities he thinks deserve it.
 
2010-02-06 12:31:39 AM  
PascalsGhost: IRS lets them. Really has for decades.

really? i'd like to know how

i mean, they can only go so far, but if the preacher is endorsing a particular politician from the pulpit, then the penalty should be pretty much pissing off his tax free status

but i see some have been ballsy bout bring this topic before the body of the church

hopefully they've had their tax free status yanked

i've not heard a pastor do that, but abuse of position by people shouldn't surprise me anymore
 
2010-02-06 12:32:20 AM  
He's buyin' that stairway to heaven alright. Christians never bother to think about themselves, it's always about helping others. I just don't get it!!!
 
2010-02-06 12:32:40 AM  
Cagey B: loonatic112358: if they're saying to endorse a candidate, please tell the IRS

There was this ballot initiative one time. Perhaps you've heard of it.


no, i don't recall one
 
2010-02-06 12:33:05 AM  
Warren Buffet is not impressed
 
2010-02-06 12:33:20 AM  
gawd only asks for 10%, so whatever greedy ass preacher was asking for the other 50 was not correct.
 
2010-02-06 12:33:27 AM  
lobootomy: The_Terminator: God obviously didn't tell this individual about the effect taxes would have on their winnings.

"The greatest gift my parents gave me was to be raised a Christian. I plan to give 60 percent of all after-tax winnings to charity," Kiefer, 59, said in a statement released Friday by the Texas Lottery Commission.

I'm beginning to think he should have said "fark it" and started a literacy campaign for farkers.


Or you should lern to maths moar gud. The quote in the headline said God told the individual that they could get by on 58M. 40% of 144M is 57.6M, ~58M. This number is pre-taxes, ergo, he did not take the taxes into account when throwing out the 58M figure.
 
2010-02-06 12:34:49 AM  
For all those "tax the churches" folk, do you have an argument as to why churches should get taxed and not other non-profits?

Because they advocate for certain moral standards? Secular non-profits can and do engage in that.

Because they make tax-free money off of land they own? Please, uber-secular universities dominate that scheme. My little Alma Matter (1400 students) owned easily 3x more property than any other entity in town. Let's tax the endowments, I bet that will lower tuition!

Because too much money funnels to the top? Sure, the Vatican or the Mormon Tabernacle might seem ostentatious, but when we hear about a religious leader living it up, it's an exception that draws scorn and ridicule (rightly so) from everyone, but nobody bats an eye at the non-profit CEOs taking home high 6-figure salaries.

All I'm left with is a general dislike of religion, which is a douchey motive.

Some anti-religious people forget that we have "Freedom of Religion", not "Freedom from Religion." This is freedom to believe or disbelieve whatever we want free of government interference, not to live our lives free of other peoples' faith because we don't like it.
 
2010-02-06 12:38:08 AM  
EL_FABREZ: It was a $144 million jackpot/pretax. It was the Mega Millions. I know because I pay the stupid tax.

Hm, no state tax on lotto winnings in TX (and apparently even CA doesn't tax lotto winnings, according to a quick search -- nice of them to encourage gambling). Lump sum is supposed to be about 60% nominal, so ~144M x 0.6 x 0.65 (marginal fed rate 35% applies to almost the entire amount) so perhaps $56.16M after-tax on $86.4M taxable income.

60% of his post-tax is $33.69M; that would leave him $22.46M ignoring the tax refund. If *all* of it was fully deductible (which requires that he be contributing all of it to eligible '50%' organizations -- the next higher threshold at 30% would only allow ~$25.9M tax deductability, meaning he'd still be paying full income tax on ~$7.79M of the income he gives away), he'd get a refund on the 35% paid on $33.69M, leaving him with about $34.2M if I've done my math right ((144 x 0.6 lump sum) - ((144*0.6 - 33.69) * 0.35 fed inc tax) - 33.69 given away), assuming that he's not factoring in the deduction when he calculates 'after tax'.

/no point *shrug*
 
2010-02-06 12:39:06 AM  
Good for you.
 
2010-02-06 12:39:20 AM  
PascalsGhost: Bill gates didn't give his money to an already wealthy church to cover for their child molestation payouts.

I agree it may not have been the best choice for the church to try to cover for so many practicing homosexuals. I understand you anger against such people.

However, the homosexual child molesters are a very small fraction of the church. That's simply a fact. I hopr you don't actually try to deny this. I'm quite sure you believe every single Muslim on the planet is a bomb carrying terrorist also, right?
 
2010-02-06 12:41:08 AM  
cryinoutloud: Isn't that how much he's going to have after the IRS takes their share, anyway?

Another reason to feel smug in Canada ... we don't get taxed on windfalls. On the other hands, our biggest lottery is $40M so I guess it is still better in the US.

But I always thought it funny how US taxes lottery winnings. For example winning a car or house kind of sucks because you probably can't cover the taxes so can't keep the car.
 
2010-02-06 12:45:56 AM  
"Some anti-religious people forget that we have "Freedom of Religion", not "Freedom from Religion." This is freedom to believe or disbelieve whatever we want free of government interference, not to live our lives free of other peoples' faith because we don't like it."

Thought I should repeat this, just because I felt like it...
/well said
 
2010-02-06 12:46:58 AM  
Neuticle:
Some anti-religious people forget that we have "Freedom of Religion", not "Freedom from Religion." This is freedom to believe or disbelieve whatever we want free of government interference, not to live our lives free of other peoples' faith because we don't like it.



Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. That means pay your goddamn taxes. It isn't an interference of religion to require that churches pay into the world in which they live.
 
2010-02-06 12:47:13 AM  
He'll be pissed when he finds out another 30% goes to taxes.
 
2010-02-06 12:47:32 AM  
If I win the lottery I'm spending most of it on women and liquor.

I'll just blow whatever is left.
 
2010-02-06 12:49:21 AM  
The_Terminator: Or you should lern to maths moar gud. The quote in the headline said God told the individual that they could get by on 58M. 40% of 144M is 57.6M, ~58M. This number is pre-taxes, ergo, he did not take the taxes into account when throwing out the 58M figure.

Since you're apparently favored to be the first student in the literacy class, please RTFA. Subby made up the last part of the quote.

Do you really want to keep going down this road? Or would you like to take a moment to RTFA?
 
2010-02-06 12:49:53 AM  
There is no penalty for taking the money as a lump sum. If you the yearly payments (usually over 20 to 30 years) whatever governing body purchases an annuity for the advertised jackpot number. If you take the lump sum, you get the amount that would be required to purchase the annuity.

The penalty is taking yearly payments and dying before the annuity has fully matured. Then you've screwed any heirs.
 
2010-02-06 12:50:21 AM  
this guy will be broke in 5 years easily. He announced he is giving the money away so I'm sure he will have charity case at his door begging for money and I have a feeling this guy will have a hard time saying no. I dont see him holding onto it long.

best thing you can do when you win the lotto is to disappear for 6-12 months and move to another area and stay out of the public eye. Then go about donating and doing it anonymously through trust funds or other means.
 
2010-02-06 12:50:43 AM  
$144M -> lump sum penalty -> ~$85M -> 35% tax -> 55.25M -> 60% to charity = 33.15M.

Thats still a tremendous amount of money to give away.

Is there a cap to what he can deduct? If he gives away 33M, I'd assume they could deduct it on his income tax, getting about 10M back...
 
2010-02-06 12:52:08 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: child molesters are a very small fraction of the church. That's simply a fact.

What you are conveniently leaving out is that church leaders knew what was happening and COVERED for these monsters, moving them from parish to parish rather than hold them accountable.

And that's simply a fact.
 
2010-02-06 12:52:50 AM  
Damned socialist.
 
2010-02-06 12:53:35 AM  
0Icky0: Gates is trying to wipe out malaria by funding science and medicine. Giving all the money in the world to priests and shamans so that they can pray (prey) over the sick cannot compare.


He's donating to "abused children, relief for Haiti and support for retired nuns."


Yep sounds like pure evil to me.

I will, quite matter of factly, not be at all surprised to find such a person utterly vilified on fark.

He will be insulted, maligned, and hated for donating millions to charity. Such is the nature of fark. Sigh.
 
2010-02-06 12:53:44 AM  
06wildcat: There is no penalty for taking the money as a lump sum. If you the yearly payments (usually over 20 to 30 years) whatever governing body purchases an annuity for the advertised jackpot number. If you take the lump sum, you get the amount that would be required to purchase the annuity.

This!
Quoting for truth because it needs repeating!!!

There is no "lump sum penalty". It is based on time value of money calculations.
 
2010-02-06 12:54:07 AM  
The Icelander: Mark 10:21

That's pretty unpopular w Christians these days. Cultists use it, but the prosperity gospel clowns never heard it.
 
2010-02-06 12:55:50 AM  
I love the folks who say "all I need is about 5 million and im good for the rest of my life."

Call me over-zealous but if I only took home 65 million, I might be bummed....

For instance...

One nice but not crazy stupid house one in state majority of your family lives in - maybe one per family member - 200-500k x 2-10.

Stupid big house with lots of land and anti-zombie ramparts with whiskey and beer distillery and security - maybe even a island fort..... (new window) - 10 mil

Maybe an island in they keys....3.5 million (new window)

.Fark that... a 36,000 acre tropical forest island off the coast of farking brazil (new window)

/If i win the lotto, every BIE i receive on my insta green thread gets TF for life
//PIE.....sure why not the misses needs something to giggle at as the poor people wave their tiny junk around
 
2010-02-06 12:55:53 AM  
The Why Not Guy: What you are conveniently leaving out is that church leaders knew what was happening and COVERED for these monsters, moving them from parish to parish rather than hold them accountable.

Heh. I didn't leave that out at all. I flat out said it myself. I said, quite matter of factly, I think it may not have been the best choice for the church to cover for such people, did I not? Go back and read. Let me know.
 
2010-02-06 12:56:04 AM  
siromega: Is there a cap to what he can deduct? If he gives away 33M, I'd assume they could deduct it on his income tax, getting about 10M back...

There are limits, but he probably won't hit them, as 60% of 65% post-tax is 39%.
 
2010-02-06 12:57:03 AM  
JoeShow: I think this guy has the right idea, He can comfortably live on 10-15 million and spoil his family and friends, why shouldn't he share his good luck with people or charities he thinks deserve it.

Why not? Because Jesus said you must give away all that you own in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Not half. All. It's amazing to me how well versed so many Christians are on God's feelings towards the gays and yet don't realize that 99% of them don't pass the test either.
 
2010-02-06 12:58:24 AM  
gopher321: Forgive me if I don't jump on the 'Hero' bandwagon for this guy. He's still keeping a sizable chunk of change for himself. But it is a nice gesture.

And how much did you donate this year?
 
2010-02-06 12:58:59 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: 0Icky0: Gates is trying to wipe out malaria by funding science and medicine. Giving all the money in the world to priests and shamans so that they can pray (prey) over the sick cannot compare.


He's donating to "abused children, relief for Haiti and support for retired nuns."


Yep sounds like pure evil to me.

I will, quite matter of factly, not be at all surprised to find such a person utterly vilified on fark.

He will be insulted, maligned, and hated for donating millions to charity. Such is the nature of fark. Sigh.



The "vilification" he is getting seems to be more that it's a stupid donation because of the inefficiency that is introduced. He can't control how it is used after the fact. Once the money has changed hands, the receiver can use it however they wish.

I suspect farkers would view it differently if he did something like setup a foundation, took proposals through it, and divied up the money in a way that lent its self to accountability.

I won't argue that some of these comments aren't driven by suspicion of religion, but while disagreeing somewhat I can see their point.
 
2010-02-06 12:59:16 AM  
Satan_Himself: JoeShow: I think this guy has the right idea, He can comfortably live on 10-15 million and spoil his family and friends, why shouldn't he share his good luck with people or charities he thinks deserve it.

Why not? Because Jesus said you must give away all that you own in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Not half. All. It's amazing to me how well versed so many Christians are on God's feelings towards the gays and yet don't realize that 99% of them don't pass the test either.


Nice argument there, chum. Now gtfb to bible school.
 
2010-02-06 01:01:45 AM  
EighthundredmillionthFarker: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: I think this guy has the right idea, He can comfortably live on 10-15 million and spoil his family and friends, why shouldn't he share his good luck with people or charities he thinks deserve it.

Why not? Because Jesus said you must give away all that you own in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Not half. All. It's amazing to me how well versed so many Christians are on God's feelings towards the gays and yet don't realize that 99% of them don't pass the test either.

Nice argument there, chum. Now gtfb to bible school.


It's a better argument than yours.
 
2010-02-06 01:01:58 AM  
corn-bread: Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. That means pay your goddamn taxes. It isn't an interference of religion to require that churches pay into the world in which they live.

OK. Take away the the tax breaks for everthing else that society/ the government has deemed worthy of a tax break.

Lots of organizations dont pay taxes. you just single churches out because you dont like them.
 
2010-02-06 01:02:44 AM  
Fluff Girl: God also told you you should receive a handjob from an athletic 37-year old woman who knows her way around a hardon. the fee for that should be around two million dollars.

Don't fark with god. You know about his wrath and stuff.

And yes. For 2M I would whip your peen into I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


What's your rate for a beej?
 
2010-02-06 01:03:25 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: blah

So if the church is covering for them, it becomes the church's sin as well whether there was 1 molester or 10,000. On a side note, it's interesting that our Catholic friends call me an abomination in God's eyes because I'm gay but covering for a child molester is "not the best choice."
 
2010-02-06 01:03:45 AM  
The guy will be broke in 5 years. His "friends" and relatives will suck the rest out of him. The charitities will go through what he gives them, like crap through a goose. Travelers Cheques, thats what he ought to buy, so he can take the money with him.
 
2010-02-06 01:04:00 AM  
justoneznot: I hate these people who give the majority of their winnings to charity or a church. It's so diluted by the time it trickles down to the point of helping someone that you're better off just keeping it or helping out your friends and family, at least that way you can pick and choose exactly who you're helping out.

Yeah really. Selfish bastards.
 
2010-02-06 01:07:17 AM  
The Why Not Guy: So if the church is covering for them, it becomes the church's sin as well whether there was 1 molester or 10,000.


Yes, much of the world applies the same logic to Islam. It is all of Islam's sin, being organization of terrorists. Believe me, I know. Me personally, I am undecided decided whether to condemn everyone for the actions of less than one thousandth of a percent of the whole.
 
2010-02-06 01:07:33 AM  
loonatic112358: 2 or 3 paqckages of cad software, 20-30k, faro arm with the laser scanne ? 10k-15k+? reverse engineering software 25k, server, laptop, desktop, probably 20k, office space + small warehouse/shop? and at at least 2 3dprinters/rapid prototyping machines

Precisely. For a couple million bucks you could set up a business making something interesting and employ some engineers, a couple computer guys, a hot secretary and make your way in the world.

Hell, for a million I could stay in business for a good 20 years. Even if I didn't make any money.
 
2010-02-06 01:09:11 AM  
The Why Not Guy: ThrobblefootSpectre: blah

So if the church is covering for them, it becomes the church's sin as well whether there was 1 molester or 10,000. On a side note, it's interesting that our Catholic friends call me an abomination in God's eyes because I'm gay but covering for a child molester is "not the best choice."


Actually most Catholics believe the child molesters should be treated, well, like child molesters. Its the leaders who were protecting them. Wave to them when you see them in hell if that helps any.

/too snarky?
 
2010-02-06 01:10:52 AM  
Neuticle: For all those "tax the churches" folk, do you have an argument as to why churches should get taxed and not other non-profits?

Because churches like to interfere with government. If they want to involve themselves, they must pay.
 
2010-02-06 01:12:12 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: Me personally, I am undecided decided whether to condemn everyone for the actions of less than one thousandth of a percent of the whole.

The "whole" - church leadership - knew about those actions and covered them up, so hell yes they are to be held responsible. To use your Muslim analogy, it would be like if a Muslim cleric provided shelter to Osama bin Laden, we'd hold that cleric accountable even if he didn't play a part in the attack.

It's not "just" the molestations, which were hideous enough. It's the chuch cover-up.
 
2010-02-06 01:14:12 AM  
Satan_Himself: Because Jesus said you must give away all that you own in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Not half. All. It's amazing to me how well versed so many Christians are on God's feelings towards the gays and yet don't realize that 99% of them don't pass the test either.


That's what Jesus said to for the rich man to be perfect, not to enter Heaven, A rich man could still enter heaven by obeying the commandments.

He would have better odds by giving away all his possessions to the poor.
 
2010-02-06 01:17:15 AM  
cryinoutloud: Isn't that how much he's going to have after the IRS takes their share, anyway?

On Lottery winnings they usually take nearly half, depending on the State. Since the lottery is typically run by the state government, they take a huge amount for pure goverment funding (traditionally for public education and schools).

The winner usually decides whether he wants a yearly annuity of 5% of winnings for 20 years or whether he wants a lump sum up front of roughly 50-60% of the total jackpot. A 58-year-old man probably would choose an annuity to provide for retirement, since any investment he could make with the lump sum wouldn't pay off before he dies.
 
2010-02-06 01:18:33 AM  
Solty Dog: Because churches like to interfere with government. If they want to involve themselves, they must pay.

That's exactly why I believe no one should give to any U.N relief effort. Did you know they put conditions for social and political change on their monetary aid? Yep. That's right, they actually expect to influence national politics with their donations. But that's bad right?
 
2010-02-06 01:24:15 AM  
The Why Not Guy: The "whole" - church leadership - knew about those actions and covered them up, so hell yes they are to be held responsible. To use your Muslim analogy, it would be like if a Muslim cleric provided shelter to Osama bin Laden, we'd hold that cleric accountable even if he didn't play a part in the attack.

I know, right? Because Osama bin Laden is the only muslim ever. There has never been a muslim cleric that speaks out in support of terrorists. Or Muslim charities that funnel their money to militant training camps.
 
2010-02-06 01:24:28 AM  
HumbertoEcho: That amount of money is just gross.

Came here to say this.

/Actually, I wanted to say it was megagross.
 
2010-02-06 01:24:32 AM  
Clete Orris: Fluff Girl: God also told you you should receive a handjob from an athletic 37-year old woman who knows her way around a hardon. the fee for that should be around two million dollars.

Don't fark with god. You know about his wrath and stuff.

And yes. For 2M I would whip your peen into I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.

What's your rate for a beej?


I'm sure it's some ungodly amount.

/Would probably be worth it
 
2010-02-06 01:24:34 AM  
wyltoknow: My BF's grandpa won a CRAP-TON in the Brazillian lottery a long while ago. He was two steps away from death and a devout Catholic, so he signed away the entire winnings to his church instead of his family. Not really such a terrible move, it went to something he loved and he died believing that he did some good in the world. Which is nice, because the heads of that church took all the money and used it for good Christian things like expensive cars and whores. Jesus would be proud.

/cool story


Did they make your BF the archbishop of Canterbury after?

www.magicmoviemachine.com

Link

/Spare me the little forks!
 
2010-02-06 01:25:59 AM  
I am happy to hear that he is acting like a Christian.

It is people like this who make this world a better place for others, regardless of what religion they subscribe to. If he uses religion as his reason for helping the world to the tune of 90 million dollars, so be it.

The world is better for it.
 
2010-02-06 01:26:38 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: Solty Dog: Because churches like to interfere with government. If they want to involve themselves, they must pay.

That's exactly why I believe no one should give to any U.N relief effort. Did you know they put conditions for social and political change on their monetary aid? Yep. That's right, they actually expect to influence national politics with their donations. But that's bad right?


Yes it is. It amounts to extortion. It doesn't matter if there is a pretty bow on it.
 
2010-02-06 01:26:39 AM  
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Because what the church needs is MORE MONEY.
 
2010-02-06 01:26:48 AM  
JoeShow: Satan_Himself: Because Jesus said you must give away all that you own in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Not half. All. It's amazing to me how well versed so many Christians are on God's feelings towards the gays and yet don't realize that 99% of them don't pass the test either.

That's what Jesus said to for the rich man to be perfect, not to enter Heaven, A rich man could still enter heaven by obeying the commandments.

He would have better odds by giving away all his possessions to the poor.


Oh yes. Obviously Jesus must have considered the path to Heaven to be a "playing the odds" sort of thing. He just wants everyone to do what's convenient and if they go to Hell, it's not really a big deal, right?

You don't play the odds when eternity is on the line. You don't decide you've done enough when the alternative is torture forever. Jesus would have to be stupid to claim differently.
 
2010-02-06 01:31:34 AM  
Solty Dog: Yes it is. It amounts to extortion. It doesn't matter if there is a pretty bow on it.

You are consistent. Can't fault you there. I may disagree, but I can't say you are irrational, unlike so many others.
 
2010-02-06 01:32:23 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: Or Muslim charities that funnel their money to militant training camps.

A Muslim charity that funnels money into terrorist training camps shares accountability just like Catholic church leaders who shift known molesters from parish to parish share accountability.
 
2010-02-06 01:33:22 AM  
Fluff Girl: God also told you you should receive a handjob from an athletic 37-year old woman who knows her way around a hardon. the fee for that should be around two million dollars.

Don't fark with god. You know about his wrath and stuff.

And yes. For 2M I would whip your peen into I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.


How bout free drinks for a night with a 25 year old with a freakishly long tongue?
 
2010-02-06 01:36:46 AM  
sexy-fetus: Fluff Girl: God also told you you should receive a handjob from an athletic 37-year old woman who knows her way around a hardon. the fee for that should be around two million dollars.

Don't fark with god. You know about his wrath and stuff.

And yes. For 2M I would whip your peen into I Can't Believe It's Not Butter.

How bout free drinks for a night with a 25 year old with a freakishly long tongue?


'freakishly long tongue" always translates into "tiny penis worthy of a pity fark".
 
2010-02-06 01:41:01 AM  
eggrolls: Because what the church needs is MORE MONEY.

The catholic church certainly doesn't. I'm sure there are many more effective ministries to which he could have given.
 
2010-02-06 01:43:28 AM  
The Why Not Guy: A Muslim charity that funnels money into terrorist training camps shares accountability just like Catholic church leaders who shift known molesters from parish to parish share accountability.


Agreed. Neither the muslim bomber nor the catholic child molester should be extrapolated to represent the entire group of billions. We see eye to eye on this. Though we are an extreme minority on a place as hyper-radically polarized as fark.

I personally know a few people who judge billions of people based on a few cherry picked high profile individuals - a few single individuals to labels billions. Child molesters, terrorists, etc. In my experience without exception, such individuals who make such mind-bogglingly overly-broad generalizations as that are seething with pent up hatred, anger, ignorance, and self-loathing.
 
2010-02-06 01:43:37 AM  
I donated a portion of my lottery winnings to the man on the curb who said he was going to use it to buy a sandwich. Where's my Hero tag? At least my 'charity' doesn't spend hundred of millions protecting child molesters.
 
2010-02-06 01:46:56 AM  
Satan_Himself:

Oh yes. Obviously Jesus must have considered the path to Heaven to be a "playing the odds" sort of thing. He just wants everyone to do what's convenient and if they go to Hell, it's not really a big deal, right?

You don't play the odds when eternity is on the line. You don't decide you've done enough when the alternative is torture forever. Jesus would have to be stupid to claim differently.


He told the rich man he could enter without giving away all his possessions if he obeyed the commandments. He never said he couldn't enter heaven with possessions or great wealth, it would just be harder for him to do so.

if the rich man obeyed the commandments he would get into heaven with no reward.
if the rich man obeyed the commandments and gave away all his wealth and possessions to the poor he would be rewarded with more in heaven.

its Matthew 19:16-30.

why am i arguing this?
 
2010-02-06 01:48:00 AM  
Unwonted: eggrolls: Because what the church needs is MORE MONEY.

The catholic church certainly doesn't. I'm sure there are many more effective ministries to which he could have given.


And yet they never do. The Mormons, the Church of England, the Big mega-churches run by the televangelists...heck, the Scientologists, ALL spend millions on palaces to their our hubris. You never hear about someone dropping 90 million on a tiny baptist ministry in some backwater southern parish or a tiny synagogue in Brooklyn. It just reinforces my belief that organized religion only works to the betterment of society if it is kept small and decentralized.
 
2010-02-06 01:48:17 AM  
This seems to be stretching the bounds of what I would call charity. How much actual good will come out of that money for anyone other than the clergy?
 
2010-02-06 01:49:45 AM  
Talon: wyltoknow: My BF's grandpa won a CRAP-TON in the Brazillian lottery a long while ago. He was two steps away from death and a devout Catholic, so he signed away the entire winnings to his church instead of his family. Not really such a terrible move, it went to something he loved and he died believing that he did some good in the world. Which is nice, because the heads of that church took all the money and used it for good Christian things like expensive cars and whores. Jesus would be proud.

/cool story

That sucks.


I'm still trying to decide if they meant Best Friend or Boy Friend in order to formulate my opinion. Yes, it matters that much to me.
 
2010-02-06 01:49:50 AM  
corn-bread: Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. That means pay your goddamn taxes. It isn't an interference of religion freedom to associate to require that churches secular non-profits pay into the world in which they live.


Solty Dog: Because churches secular non-profits like to interfere with government. If they want to involve themselves, they must pay.

You provide no argument as to why secular non-profits should exist under this logic. Singling out religious organizations, not because they do anything secular organizations don't do, but because they have a faith is bigoted, and anti-Freedom of Religion.
 
2010-02-06 01:55:04 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: I personally know a few people who judge billions of people based on a few cherry picked high profile individuals - a few single individuals to labels billions.

When those cherry picked individuals are:

a. much more than a few individuals
b. leaders of the Roman Catholic Church - the people in charge

I'd say it's fair to hold the organization accountable. I don't hold every rank and file Catholic accountable. I hold the Catholic Church accountable, and so did courts of law.
 
2010-02-06 01:57:57 AM  
TurnerBrown: corn-bread: Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. That means pay your goddamn taxes. It isn't an interference of religion to require that churches pay into the world in which they live.

OK. Take away the the tax breaks for everthing else that society/ the government has deemed worthy of a tax break.

Lots of organizations dont pay taxes. you just single churches out because you dont like them.



You are ignorantly implying malace in my comment. I have no such malice. Non-profit status is suppose to be for charitable organizations who have a PRIMARY goal of serving the community. If a church is prepared to use its resources to serve the community, then give them a break. If the church is going to conduct its self as a business, then treat it as one.


It's not germane to post I was responding to (although you don't seem to care about formalities like "context" or "staying on subject" so I won't either) but the same goes for Universities, Unions, and all other "non-profit" entities.
 
2010-02-06 01:58:38 AM  
The Why Not Guy: I'd say it's fair to hold the organization accountable. I don't hold every rank and file Catholic accountable. I hold the Catholic Church accountable, and so did courts of law.

I understand. Many people, think it is fair to hold all of Islam responsible for terrorism. I don't agree, but I understand how you feel.
 
2010-02-06 01:59:47 AM  
img1.fark.net tag on vacation?
 
2010-02-06 02:03:27 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: I understand. Many people, think it is fair to hold all of Islam responsible for terrorism.

If the Islam leaders were hiding known terrorists and protecting them, shouldn't they share accountability?
 
2010-02-06 02:04:46 AM  
Sounds like something I'd do minus the church. When I think of winning the lottery, I think about all the people I can help instead of what all I can buy with it. Sadly, I'm in the minority.
 
2010-02-06 02:05:09 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: He will be insulted, maligned, and hated for donating millions to charity. Such is the nature of fark. Sigh.

Yeah but at least he's not a cop.
 
2010-02-06 02:11:03 AM  
The Why Not Guy: If the Islam leaders were hiding known terrorists and protecting them, shouldn't they share accountability?

If the Islamic leaders, many of whom in the news recently are millionaires, are acting on their own political agenda unrelated to the spiritual beliefs of the billions beneath them, then I don't think the billions should be condemned.

If however, just hypothetically, there was crowds of islamic followers cheering in the streets about terrorist acts, or crowds of catholics cheering in the streets about child molestation, then perhaps that should be taken into consideration for that crowd. Though I'm not saying for sure that happened for either terrorism or child molestation.
 
2010-02-06 02:12:36 AM  
Neuticle: corn-bread: Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. That means pay your goddamn taxes. It isn't an interference of religion freedom to associate to require that churches secular non-profits pay into the world in which they live.


Solty Dog: Because churches secular non-profits like to interfere with government. If they want to involve themselves, they must pay.

You provide no argument as to why secular non-profits should exist under this logic. Singling out religious organizations, not because they do anything secular organizations don't do, but because they have a faith is bigoted, and anti-Freedom of Religion.



Great, another poster who can't be bothered to read the thread.

I'm not required to justify secular non-profits. That wasn't what my quoted post was in response to.

You are attempting to changing the subject.
The subject was whether churches, judged on their own merits, qualify as a "non-profit" entity. Whether a secular entity should or should not qualify matters not one dittly goddamn to whether churches are worthy of non-profit status.fark-you answer: Tax all university endowments and unions too.
Now then, why shouldn't churches be taxed?
 
2010-02-06 02:15:38 AM  
JoeShow: Satan_Himself:

Oh yes. Obviously Jesus must have considered the path to Heaven to be a "playing the odds" sort of thing. He just wants everyone to do what's convenient and if they go to Hell, it's not really a big deal, right?

You don't play the odds when eternity is on the line. You don't decide you've done enough when the alternative is torture forever. Jesus would have to be stupid to claim differently.

He told the rich man he could enter without giving away all his possessions if he obeyed the commandments.


No He didn't. You don't seem to have read the verses you quoted.
 
2010-02-06 02:19:45 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: If the Islamic leaders, many of whom in the news recently are millionaires, are acting on their own political agenda unrelated to the spiritual beliefs of the billions beneath them, then I don't think the billions should be condemned.

I don't hold rank and file Catholics responsible. The Catholic Church, however, is very much responsible.
 
2010-02-06 02:27:22 AM  
HOW DARE HE DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH HIS OWN MONEY!
 
2010-02-06 02:46:33 AM  
Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself:

No He didn't. You don't seem to have read the verses you quoted.



The Rich Man asks Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?
Jesus said, If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.

Jesus then said "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."


A rich man can enter heaven by obeying the commandments, but it would be easier for the rich man to enter heaven and be rewarded in heaven by giving away his possessions to the poor and following Jesus.

A poor man would be rewarded in heaven a rich man wouldn't.

Then jesus did the whole camel passing a needle eye speech, he never said a rich man couldnt enter heaven.

Nowhere in the passage does it say that the Rich Man didn't have eternal life.

explain to me how I misread or interpreted that passage.
 
2010-02-06 02:55:47 AM  
eggrolls: Because what the church needs is MORE MONEY.

That was an impressive picture montage.
 
2010-02-06 02:57:46 AM  
JoeShow: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself:

No He didn't. You don't seem to have read the verses you quoted.


The Rich Man asks Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?
Jesus said, If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.

Jesus then said "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."


A rich man can enter heaven by obeying the commandments, but it would be easier for the rich man to enter heaven and be rewarded in heaven by giving away his possessions to the poor and following Jesus.

A poor man would be rewarded in heaven a rich man wouldn't.

Then jesus did the whole camel passing a needle eye speech, he never said a rich man couldnt enter heaven.

Nowhere in the passage does it say that the Rich Man didn't have eternal life.

explain to me how I misread or interpreted that passage.


As you are aware, you skipped verse twenty.

16 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"

17 "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

18 "Which ones?" the man inquired.

Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'"

20 "All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?"

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Emphasis mine.
 
2010-02-06 03:07:56 AM  
Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself:
"

Emphasis mine.


Yeah, I understand that part, did you miss where Jesus said...

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

where did he say, a rich man can't enter heaven?

He tells the man that being perfect and giving away his riches he will be rewarded with riches in heaven, he never says, if you keep it you wont be admitted.

From chapter 21 on the subject is not Eternal Life, but Reward in the Kingdom of God.
 
2010-02-06 03:18:30 AM  
eggrolls: Because what the church needs is MORE MONEY.

www.tcnj.edu
www.thedctraveler.com
cirklagirl.files.wordpress.com
farm3.static.flickr.com
cmuarch2013.files.wordpress.com

Because what the US government needs is MORE MONEY.

Plus we get this:

pubrecord.org

Oh yeah, I went as simplistic as you did.
 
2010-02-06 03:22:03 AM  
JoeShow: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself:
"

Emphasis mine.

Yeah, I understand that part, did you miss where Jesus said...

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

where did he say, a rich man can't enter heaven?


Q: "what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"

A: Uphold the commandments. (Or rather "commandments...")

Q: What else?

A: Give away all that you own and sell to the poor.

It does not get clearer than this.

Let me ask you something else. Even if you were not lying about this issue, you are at least willing to admit that Jesus requires one to take a vow of poverty in order to attain "perfection". Why do Christians not take the chance that plain speech is plain speech and do it anyway? Is reward in the Kingdom of God insufficient compared to worldly riches?
 
2010-02-06 03:22:07 AM  
JoeShow: 21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

where did he say, a rich man can't enter heaven?

He tells the man that being perfect and giving away his riches he will be rewarded with riches in heaven, he never says, if you keep it you wont be admitted.


And it's farking stupid you both are arguing over an English translation of part of the bible.
 
2010-02-06 03:22:54 AM  
lobootomy:

Oh yeah, I went as simplistic as you did.



Statue of Liberty was a gift from France.
 
2010-02-06 03:24:00 AM  
lobootomy: JoeShow: 21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

where did he say, a rich man can't enter heaven?

He tells the man that being perfect and giving away his riches he will be rewarded with riches in heaven, he never says, if you keep it you wont be admitted.

And it's farking stupid you both are arguing over an English translation of part of the bible.


Naturally, the Word of God is unimpeachable. It can be nothing other than God intends it to be because He is omniscient with regard to our universe.
 
2010-02-06 03:30:45 AM  
Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself:
Let me ask you something else. Even if you were not lying about this issue, you are at least willing to admit that Jesus requires one to take a vow of poverty in order to attain "perfection". Why do Christians not take the chance that plain speech is plain speech and do it anyway? Is reward in the Kingdom of God insufficient compared to worldly riches?


Honestly man, I agree with you, but I like felt like arguing about it, but yeah, a good God fearing Christian would see that taking a vow of poverty is the best chance at getting into heaven, and would become a priest or a missionary in some piss poor part of the world spreading God's word.

lobootomy:

And it's farking stupid you both are arguing over an English translation of part of the bible.


Yeah I know, that's part of what the internet is for.
 
2010-02-06 03:41:34 AM  
JoeShow: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself:
Let me ask you something else. Even if you were not lying about this issue, you are at least willing to admit that Jesus requires one to take a vow of poverty in order to attain "perfection". Why do Christians not take the chance that plain speech is plain speech and do it anyway? Is reward in the Kingdom of God insufficient compared to worldly riches?

Honestly man, I agree with you, but I like felt like arguing about it, but yeah, a good God fearing Christian would see that taking a vow of poverty is the best chance at getting into heaven, and would become a priest or a missionary in some piss poor part of the world spreading God's word.


We have no substantial disagreement.
 
2010-02-06 03:49:23 AM  
"The greatest gift my parents gave me was to be raised a Christian"

That's called being born white in Texas, sweetheart.

/99% of the time anyway
//you could probably even cross out white
 
2010-02-06 04:01:24 AM  
JoeShow: Statue of Liberty was a gift from France.

And so it sits, to this day, without any help from the government. You don't say!

Actually, read this somewhat depressing history of it here:

Link (new window)

Much like today, New York Millionaires wanted to thank people for being millionaires without spending their own money. Understandably, the rest of the country didn't want to.

Then 20 years went by, and the commoners forgot about it.
 
2010-02-06 04:04:20 AM  
What a f*cking dumbass.
 
2010-02-06 04:16:23 AM  
FarkinFarker: That's called being born white in Texas, sweetheart.

Wow, really?

Not sure about your part of the South, but the inarguable fact is that the majority of ethnic minorities around here, blacks, hispanics, hatians, etc, are devout practicing Catholics.

Not only that, but I can also say the self-righteously proclaimed atheists I know are 100% exclusively pasty white.

I would gladly be willing to wager good money that there is more diversity in the average congregation than the average atheist group.
 
2010-02-06 04:16:56 AM  
The greatest gift this church ever got was this guy's parents raising him to be an idiot.
 
2010-02-06 04:22:51 AM  
Someone tell this God guy that I could get by on a measly $1 million dollars and that he's clearly paying too much with his current choices.
 
2010-02-06 04:35:42 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: FarkinFarker: That's called being born white in Texas, sweetheart.

Wow, really?

Not sure about your part of the South, but the inarguable fact is that the majority of ethnic minorities around here, blacks, hispanics, hatians, etc, are devout practicing Catholics.

Not only that, but I can also say the self-righteously proclaimed atheists I know are 100% exclusively pasty white.

I would gladly be willing to wager good money that there is more diversity in the average congregation than the average atheist group.


I'm gonna go ahead and concede my fail. I didn't even pay enough attention to realize the winner was a male, hence the sweetheart quip. I needn't be on fark in this state of mind, but here we are. I'm also well aware that you can go ahead and cross out the "probably" in my slashies comments that you overlooked. I've never met a Haitian that I'm aware of, because I'm in Texas, but your ethnic minorities are quite different in religious affiliation here. Blacks are mostly Baptist/Methodist/Episcopal, hispanics are indeed mostly Catholic, and as I said, I've never seen a Haitian around here.

/what do I care, I'm not religious
//And are you saying all Atheists look like Jim Gaffigan?
 
2010-02-06 04:38:22 AM  
FarkinFarker: I'm gonna go ahead and concede my fail.

That's cool. I'll take back an inaccuracy in my post. As far as blacks being Catholics, that's wrong. The majority are christians, but not catholics.
 
2010-02-06 04:41:47 AM  
ThrobblefootSpectre: FarkinFarker: I'm gonna go ahead and concede my fail.

That's cool. I'll take back an inaccuracy in my post. As far as blacks being Catholics, that's wrong. The majority are christians, but not catholics.


Oops, and I see you already pointed that out.
 
2010-02-06 05:08:18 AM  
Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself:
"

Emphasis mine.

Yeah, I understand that part, did you miss where Jesus said...

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

where did he say, a rich man can't enter heaven?

Q: "what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"

A: Uphold the commandments. (Or rather "commandments...")

Q: What else?

A: Give away all that you own and sell to the poor.

It does not get clearer than this.

Let me ask you something else. Even if you were not lying about this issue, you are at least willing to admit that Jesus requires one to take a vow of poverty in order to attain "perfection". Why do Christians not take the chance that plain speech is plain speech and do it anyway? Is reward in the Kingdom of God insufficient compared to worldly riches?


Wordly riches are here and now. You can see them, feel them, enjoy them.

People in general have a hard time "saving for the future." Whether that means forgoing your Starbucks for today, so you have enough for bills tomorrow, or "giving money to the poor for reward in the Kingdom of Heaven." People tend to take what they can now b/c it's here now.

Theoretical reward later, is harder to grasp.

/just my take on the human behavior bit. :)
 
2010-02-06 05:13:26 AM  
cuzsis: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself: JoeShow: Satan_Himself:
"

Emphasis mine.

Yeah, I understand that part, did you miss where Jesus said...

21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

where did he say, a rich man can't enter heaven?

Q: "what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"

A: Uphold the commandments. (Or rather "commandments...")

Q: What else?

A: Give away all that you own and sell to the poor.

It does not get clearer than this.

Let me ask you something else. Even if you were not lying about this issue, you are at least willing to admit that Jesus requires one to take a vow of poverty in order to attain "perfection". Why do Christians not take the chance that plain speech is plain speech and do it anyway? Is reward in the Kingdom of God insufficient compared to worldly riches?

Wordly riches are here and now. You can see them, feel them, enjoy them.

People in general have a hard time "saving for the future." Whether that means forgoing your Starbucks for today, so you have enough for bills tomorrow, or "giving money to the poor for reward in the Kingdom of Heaven." People tend to take what they can now b/c it's here now.

Theoretical reward later, is harder to grasp.

/just my take on the human behavior bit. :)


I am aware of that. The point I am making is that Christians are more deeply hypocritical than they seem.
 
2010-02-06 06:36:36 AM  
Sweet, now they can build a youth group concert hall and rock out for jebus. There will be countless soul patches and wooden crucifix necklaces everywhere!
 
2010-02-06 07:17:41 AM  
TheGhostofFarkPast:
best thing you can do when you win the lotto is to disappear for 6-12 months and move to another area and stay out of the public eye.


What, like Abraham Shakespeare? (new window)
 
2010-02-06 07:24:30 AM  
canaryfarmer: I wonder if $58 million could finally score me an ULTRAFARK accou,....,,/&"[carrier lost]

that only takes $5. (new window)
 
2010-02-06 07:36:17 AM  
corn-bread: Great, another poster who can't be bothered to read the thread.

I'm not required to justify secular non-profits. That wasn't what my quoted post was in response to.

You are attempting to changing the subject.
The subject was whether churches, judged on their own merits, qualify as a "non-profit" entity. Whether a secular entity should or should not qualify matters not one dittly goddamn to whether churches are worthy of non-profit status.fark-you answer: Tax all university endowments and unions too.
Now then, why shouldn't churches be taxed?


Sorry man, I did read the whole thread, but it was a quick scan. In all the WHARRGARBLE I missed the fact that you were not unfairly singling out religious organizations. The rant was a reaction to Solty Dog, and you got unfairly lumped in.

On second read your comment makes perfect sense. If you think churches, Sierra Club, unions, university endowments etc. should all get taxed, that's an intellectually honest point of view that I can respectfully disagree with. As for churches judged on their own merits qualifying as non-profits? In general I would say yes, but that status, as with all non-profits, should not be inviolable.

I should also say that many non-profits, both religious and secular, do push the limits a bit too far, IMHO.
 
2010-02-06 08:05:14 AM  
TheGhostofFarkPast: this guy will be broke in 5 years easily. He announced he is giving the money away so I'm sure he will have charity case at his door begging for money and I have a feeling this guy will have a hard time saying no. I dont see him holding onto it long.

Pretty much this. He's more or less just as farked as the guy who won the $330 million Powerball who did the same.
 
2010-02-06 08:41:15 AM  
Great that he's doing this but most Christians usually frown on that whole gambling thing to begin with.
 
2010-02-06 09:02:45 AM  
SuperDuper28: Great that he's doing this but most Christians usually frown on that whole gambling thing to begin with.

True. There is a church in our area that years back turned down a large sum from a man who had won a lottery and wanted to share the winnings. He wasn't religious but his daughter attended the church and they had helped her and her family out, so he wanted to thank them. It could have paid off the debt on their building, but they turned it down. The building has been foreclosed on since then. Idiots.
 
2010-02-06 09:12:43 AM  
wombatsrus: SuperDuper28: Great that he's doing this but most Christians usually frown on that whole gambling thing to begin with.

True. There is a church in our area that years back turned down a large sum from a man who had won a lottery and wanted to share the winnings. He wasn't religious but his daughter attended the church and they had helped her and her family out, so he wanted to thank them. It could have paid off the debt on their building, but they turned it down. The building has been foreclosed on since then. Idiots.


always wanted to do that
 
2010-02-06 09:47:10 AM  
Retirement for those in religious orders is a very good cause. Most of these religious orders operate outside the diocesan structures most people are familiar with, and thus have to get their money through other sources. They were the non-profits before the non-profits came about, and unfortunately for them it has been very hard to recruit younger nuns to take their place. The age pyramid for them is a scary reminder of what is ahead for most of America. The average age of a nun is something around 60, and many monasteries and convents have half of their religious past retirement age, unable to contribute to the mission of their orders.
 
2010-02-06 10:17:26 AM  
Obligatory...

www.taylorbrooks.org
 
2010-02-06 10:22:15 AM  
lockers: Britney Spear's Speculum: tax churches

this


I am for capping how much a church based institution can bring in before its taxed, books from the preacher should be taxed along with all the other stuff associated with the churches. The fact that creflo dollar owns a house bigger than most strip malls, 15 luxury cars, and a helicopter means his church needs to pay taxes, same with joel whats his name in dallas I think.

But I also think other charities like the red cross need to open their books up more and if they arent paying over 70% out then they need to be taxed as well.

This guy is a moron though, he should just set the money up in a trust or something for future use by his family or set up a administrator on a set salary to dole out money as needed. Giving money to a church is just asking to see the preacher in a new mercedes the next week.

Oh, thats something else that bothered me while installing networks, a church in a ghetto here in atlanta has a garage in the basement just for the preacher to store his SL50something AMG coupe. I looked it up one time and the price of it was over $100k, this farkhead is living in one of the poorest communities in atlanta yet he feels he deserves a car that is worth more than they all own. Yeah churches are dirty, all of them, not just right wing christians.
 
2010-02-06 10:28:48 AM  
gopher321: Forgive me if I don't jump on the 'Hero' bandwagon for this guy. He's still keeping a sizable chunk of change for himselfChristian. But it is a nice gesture.

FTFY.
 
2010-02-06 11:07:47 AM  
Gratzy: gross

Well, at least _someone_ appreciated it. Thanks for playing!

dozen squared times ten to the power of ....
 
2010-02-06 11:12:36 AM  
bubbaprog: Flissss: Donating to a fraudulous organization is not virtuous.

He's donating it to an orphanage, Haiti relief, and a retired nuns' nursing home.

I think that's pretty damned virtuous, especially because if I was giving away that much money, it would be for a building with my name on it on one of my alma maters' campuses.


They, and the rest expressing outrage, are simply jealous. You know that though. I'm not religious but these people here, the people expressing outrage, are claiming the moral high ground or educational superiority while engaging in petty jealousy and greed.

I, for one, would have spent it on drugs, alcohol, and entertainment. I figure that at least I'm being honest about it.
 
2010-02-06 11:31:39 AM  
Korovyov: Flissss: Want to make a difference? Set up scholarships to colleges. We need more educated people, not the opposite.

There's an argument to be made that setting up college scholarship money mostly helps the already well-off in terms of education, because people who had a lousy upbringing (e.g. personal laziness combined with uneducated parents who don't care) aren't likely to fare well even if they've got full rides.


I wholeheartedly disagree on this. I went to college with an Expected Family Contribution of 0. I'm doing it again because my Associates isn't getting me crap for a job (and I graduated 3rd in my class, so I wasn't slouching).

I *need* people who are willing to invest in low-income people. If I won the lottery, I'd set up $50,000,000 in trust funds to each of the "common" state universities and try to get 6 people in each $5,000 (assuming 3% interest) towards their education. The condition: family income must be below $40,000/yr, which would adjust for inflation.

I think of it this way: The government wastes so much money as it is, I'd do everything I could to let them see as little of it as possible. I'd also put money on the hypothesis that the waste rate (that is kids who got the scholarship failed out or quit) would be less than the overhead (red tape) alone needed by the government to make the money work.
 
2010-02-06 12:33:07 PM  
dumbass tag needed.
 
2010-02-06 01:01:59 PM  
Noble action, monumentally stupid quote.
 
2010-02-06 02:01:58 PM  
Did he give 60 percent of gross or net. Either way, it's nice to see
 
2010-02-06 02:30:50 PM  
SuperDuper28: Great that he's doing this but most Christians usually frown on that whole gambling thing to begin with.

That's most the protestant side. Catholics never had that as one of their guilt trips.
 
2010-02-06 02:52:01 PM  
Giving to the Church isn't really charity. Unless you consider the perpetuation of ignorance and fearmongoring a worthwhile cause.
 
2010-02-06 03:14:45 PM  
pippi longstocking: Giving to the Church isn't really charity. Unless you consider the perpetuation of ignorance and fearmongoring a worthwhile cause.

Right... Cause no church anywhere runs a homeless shelter, food bank or clothing resale shop. Who perpetuated your ignorance?
 
2010-02-06 04:40:43 PM  
Our Glorious Leader: TheGhostofFarkPast:
best thing you can do when you win the lotto is to disappear for 6-12 months and move to another area and stay out of the public eye.

What, like Abraham Shakespeare? (new window)


and? I said disappear not get yourself caught up with some shady people and get yourself killed. Looks Abraham did the later not the former.
 
2010-02-06 05:24:33 PM  
ThrobblefootSpectre 2010-02-06 12:20:25 AM

He's given away by far a much larger percent than Bill Gates who got a huge thread of people praising him the other day.


Fool, this is fark, farkers hate christians. Just about all of the worlds god hating christophobes are farkers.
 
2010-02-06 05:56:03 PM  
Religion is a joke and should not be considered "charity"
 
2010-02-06 08:14:25 PM  
TheGhostofFarkPast: Our Glorious Leader: TheGhostofFarkPast:
best thing you can do when you win the lotto is to disappear for 6-12 months and move to another area and stay out of the public eye.

What, like Abraham Shakespeare? (new window)

and? I said disappear not get yourself caught up with some shady people and get yourself killed. Looks Abraham did the later not the former.


Hmm, I guess you missed the implied 'Badum-tish!'. :p
 
2010-02-06 08:52:41 PM  
The Icelander: loonatic112358: 2 or 3 paqckages of cad software, 20-30k, faro arm with the laser scanne ? 10k-15k+? reverse engineering software 25k, server, laptop, desktop, probably 20k, office space + small warehouse/shop? and at at least 2 3dprinters/rapid prototyping machines

Precisely. For a couple million bucks you could set up a business making something interesting and employ some engineers, a couple computer guys, a hot secretary and make your way in the world.

Hell, for a million I could stay in business for a good 20 years. Even if I didn't make any money.


i'm married and my wife is better at the business side

there will be no hot secretary
 
2010-02-07 09:17:19 AM  
The Icelander: loonatic112358: 2 or 3 paqckages of cad software, 20-30k, faro arm with the laser scanne ? 10k-15k+? reverse engineering software 25k, server, laptop, desktop, probably 20k, office space + small warehouse/shop? and at at least 2 3dprinters/rapid prototyping machines

Precisely. For a couple million bucks you could set up a business making something interesting and employ some engineers, a couple computer guys, a hot secretary and make your way in the world.

Hell, for a million I could stay in business for a good 20 years. Even if I didn't make any money.


You are forgetting the costs to create an entity to protect your personal assets, taxes, insurance, your employees expecting raises at some regular rate, and attorney fees for the inevitable lawsuits that will come your way. You'd run through that million in a business very quickly.
 
2010-02-08 11:04:31 AM  
wombatsrus: You are forgetting the costs to create an entity to protect your personal assets, taxes, insurance, your employees expecting raises at some regular rate, and attorney fees for the inevitable lawsuits that will come your way. You'd run through that million in a business very quickly.

if you rush into it, yep, though i wouldn't get into a hurry and add more employees then i had work for.
 
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