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(ABC News)   UN recommends a ban on bluefin tuna exports. Take that, Japan   (abcnews.go.com ) divider line
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2010-02-05 03:56:17 PM  
"We can't stop fishing it to extinction, everyone's job depends on it!"

I seriously don't understand this rational, if they don't set limits to keep a healthy global population (which they are trying to do but Japan, et al are opposing) then they will fish it into extinction and they will loose the industry entirely.

Would it kill people to have some foresight?
 
2010-02-05 04:00:58 PM  

zymosan: "We can't stop fishing it to extinction, everyone's job depends on it!"

I seriously don't understand this rational, if they don't set limits to keep a healthy global population (which they are trying to do but Japan, et al are opposing) then they will fish it into extinction and they will loose the industry entirely.

Would it kill people to have some foresight?


I dont know why Japan insist on raping the sea as much as possible. There wouldnt be a goddamn whale left if it were up to them
 
2010-02-05 04:10:39 PM  
I can haz toro?
 
2010-02-05 04:19:53 PM  

Nabb1: I can haz toro?


Fugu for you
 
2010-02-05 05:03:52 PM  

R.A.Danny: Nabb1: I can haz toro?

Fugu for you


Humuhumunukunukuapua'a
 
2010-02-05 05:12:34 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Humuhumunukunukuapua'a


Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
 
2010-02-05 05:12:39 PM  
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

It's delicious. I couldn't care less about the future. I'm hungry now.
 
2010-02-05 05:13:54 PM  
There was also a bluefin tuna in the plane with the whale and dolphin.

Fuk you whare, Fuk you dorphin
 
2010-02-05 05:14:10 PM  
Grandpa, how did world war three start?

Tuna my dear.. tuna..
 
2010-02-05 05:14:19 PM  

zymosan: Would it kill people to have some foresight?


The sad truth is that most people don't give a shiat about anything that might happen more than 50 years in the future due to our current actions. And even that is pushing it.
 
2010-02-05 05:15:09 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2010-02-05 05:15:10 PM  
As long as they don't ban the imports I'm ok with it
 
2010-02-05 05:15:23 PM  
Meanwhile, evil sharks are butchered mercilessly by anyone and everyone.

The oceans are a modern day gimp rectum, everyone wants a turn with their throbbing member.
 
2010-02-05 05:15:31 PM  
but how will i get my sashimi made of bluefinfarm raised plain old tuna??
 
2010-02-05 05:15:32 PM  

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: I dont know why Japan insist on raping the sea as much as possible. There wouldnt be a goddamn whale left if it were up to them


And a few less boats too...

www.rnw.nl

/// hot like a pirate boat
 
2010-02-05 05:16:22 PM  
ABC News quadfecta in play?
 
2010-02-05 05:16:27 PM  
As for me, I'd personally rather that we not drive bluefin tuna to extinction. They're so delicious that I'd like to be eating them a few decades from now. If that means we temporarily stop harvesting them for quite awhile, and then do so only in a more controlled manner, so be it.
 
2010-02-05 05:16:41 PM  

Blasphemous Knave: Britney Spear's Speculum: Humuhumunukunukuapua'a

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn


Klaatu barada nikto
 
2010-02-05 05:16:43 PM  

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: I dont know why Japan insist on raping the sea as much as possible. There wouldnt be a goddamn whale left if it were up to them


Might have something to do with the fact that they're an island, and their entire existence up to this point has included taking as much from the sea as they wanted.

/Old habits, etc.
 
2010-02-05 05:17:08 PM  

zymosan: "We can't stop fishing it to extinction, everyone's job depends on it!"

I seriously don't understand this rational, if they don't set limits to keep a healthy global population (which they are trying to do but Japan, et al are opposing) then they will fish it into extinction and they will loose the industry entirely.

Would it kill people to have some foresight?


Kinda like repealing all the regulations that prevent banks from throwing us in a depression? Greed, plain and simple.
 
2010-02-05 05:17:43 PM  
FUKU U BLUE FIN!
 
2010-02-05 05:17:50 PM  
Or else what?
 
2010-02-05 05:18:03 PM  

zymosan: then they will fish it into extinction and they will loose louse the industry entirely.


Sorry that is the pet peeve of me.
 
2010-02-05 05:18:11 PM  
I'll bet this ban solves the problem.
 
2010-02-05 05:18:13 PM  
I just love tuna.
 
2010-02-05 05:20:11 PM  
I'm glad I can still eat buffalo, man those critters are good. Lets not almost extinct something else that is tasty please.

Tatanka.
 
2010-02-05 05:20:40 PM  
Who cares? Most of it is consumed in japan anyway.
 
2010-02-05 05:20:51 PM  

Mnemia: As for me, I'd personally rather that we not drive bluefin tuna to extinction. They're so delicious that I'd like to be eating them a few decades from now. If that means we temporarily stop harvesting them for quite awhile, and then do so only in a more controlled manner, so be it.


Your post is too logical. This is FARK dammit!
 
2010-02-05 05:22:33 PM  

remus: An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: I dont know why Japan insist on raping the sea as much as possible. There wouldnt be a goddamn whale left if it were up to them

And a few less boats too...

/// hot like a pirate boat


The first attempt at the global circumnavigation record in 2007 was ill-fated. The boat several times encountered mechanical problems, and collided with a Guatemalan fishing boat, killing one of the other boat's crew. While the crew of the Earthrace was later absolved of any responsibility, the delay forced the restart of the record attempt, while more mechanical issues later aborted it.

Yeah, sorry about that Guatemalan guy. But he pulled out in front of us.
 
2010-02-05 05:22:47 PM  
Hardly matters. It's so lucrative that there is no way people are going to stop fishing it. Fortunately they're finally starting to have some success farming it.
 
2010-02-05 05:23:50 PM  
All these years later and we have no learned the lesson of the Passenger Pigeon
 
2010-02-05 05:24:27 PM  

Tom_Slick: All these years later and we have no learned the lesson of the Passenger Pigeon


The what? Exactly.
 
2010-02-05 05:24:47 PM  

WrestlerManager:
Might have something to do with the fact that they're an island, and their entire existence up to this point has included taking as much from the sea as they wanted.

/Old habits, etc.


Right, and I do appreciate that it's an integral part of their culture (having lived there, and all). But you have to place some artificial limits in a situation where the demand exceeds the supply that nature is capable of filling, or else you create a perverse economic incentive to completely wipe them out. Because as they get more rare, the price (and hence profit) associated with killing them also rises. By contrast, harvesting only a scientifically sustainable amount of them will actually LOWER the price, and increase the long-term supply, because we won't be hunting down every last one. And it looks like the only option now is to just lay off and let them recover for awhile, because this action wasn't taken soon enough.

Catch quotas based on scientific fishery management work pretty well in cases where regulators can control the amount of fishing taking place and limit bycatch (e.g., Alaskan salmon or pollack). The problem with the bluefin tuna is that they migrate so distantly that no one country has "ownership" of them. Hence the need for international treaty enforcement.
 
2010-02-05 05:24:48 PM  
The question is, can any country hear a recommendation from the U.N. without breaking down and laughing hysterically?
 
2010-02-05 05:25:16 PM  

trappedspirit: The first attempt at the global circumnavigation record in 2007 was ill-fated. The boat several times encountered mechanical problems, and collided with a Guatemalan fishing boat, killing one of the other boat's crew. While the crew of the Earthrace was later absolved of any responsibility, the delay forced the restart of the record attempt, while more mechanical issues later aborted it.

Yeah, sorry about that Guatemalan guy. But he pulled out in front of us.


So, basically, the entire history of that boat was douchebaggery.
 
2010-02-05 05:26:54 PM  
Yeah, "Take that, Japan!" I'm sure that Japan will wholly respect such a ban. I mean, look at how thoroughly they respected those bans on whaling and shark de-finning.

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2.bp.blogspot.com

Oh, wait.......
 
2010-02-05 05:28:00 PM  

Kirk's_Toupee: but how will i get my sashimi made of bluefinfarm raised plain old tuna??


Alton Brown did a fairly interesting piece on why farm raised tuna is impractical. It boiled down to raising an apex predator as food is horribly inefficient, as you also have to raise vast quantities of other fish for them to feed on. He compared it to raising lions for meat, and having to raise 50 or so cattle as feed for every one lion you get to eat.

Plus the big tuna have a lot more mercury than the smaller species.
 
2010-02-05 05:28:52 PM  
and here I thought it was Just US fundamentalists that claimed no species could go extinct!

We have a similar situation in the Pacific NW, where the loggers blame a declining species of owls for their loss of jobs, not the fact that all of the Old growth timber their jobs depended on have been harvested and won't be replenished for 300-400 years!

that darned owl took our Jerbs! they shout.
 
2010-02-05 05:29:17 PM  

FARK YOU DORPHIN! FARK YOU WHARE!

 
2010-02-05 05:30:56 PM  
That's okay, the Community Fisheries Control Agency in Europe is successfully managing tuna in the Mediterranean so it won't go extinct there, not.
 
2010-02-05 05:31:03 PM  
'Let's hear it for the dolphin, let's hear it for the trees.
Ain't running out of nothing in my deep freeze'...
 
2010-02-05 05:31:05 PM  
Nooooooo!

Is there anyway to just sorta keep them lazy so they develop gigantic bellies? Because I don't really care much about the rest of the fish.
 
2010-02-05 05:31:17 PM  

bushbot111: The question is, can any country hear a recommendation from the U.N. without breaking down and laughing hysterically?


Iraq
 
2010-02-05 05:32:12 PM  

WrestlerManager: Alton Brown did a fairly interesting piece on why farm raised tuna is impractical. It boiled down to raising an apex predator as food is horribly inefficient, as you also have to raise vast quantities of other fish for them to feed on.


The other problem is that it's evidently hard to farm tuna larvae.
 
2010-02-05 05:34:45 PM  

Mnemia: WrestlerManager:
Might have something to do with the fact that they're an island, and their entire existence up to this point has included taking as much from the sea as they wanted.

/Old habits, etc.

Right, and I do appreciate that it's an integral part of their culture (having lived there, and all). But you have to place some artificial limits in a situation where the demand exceeds the supply that nature is capable of filling, or else you create a perverse economic incentive to completely wipe them out. Because as they get more rare, the price (and hence profit) associated with killing them also rises. By contrast, harvesting only a scientifically sustainable amount of them will actually LOWER the price, and increase the long-term supply, because we won't be hunting down every last one. And it looks like the only option now is to just lay off and let them recover for awhile, because this action wasn't taken soon enough.

Catch quotas based on scientific fishery management work pretty well in cases where regulators can control the amount of fishing taking place and limit bycatch (e.g., Alaskan salmon or pollack). The problem with the bluefin tuna is that they migrate so distantly that no one country has "ownership" of them. Hence the need for international treaty enforcement.


Your logic is flawless, but human nature is not. People still poach rhinos for "medicine" despite laws and international efforts to stop it. Sadly, the Japanese won't stop buying tuna, I fear. There will simply be a lucrative black market.
 
2010-02-05 05:35:10 PM  

Mnemia: ...you have to place some artificial limits in a situation where the demand exceeds the supply...


Wrong, no you don't have to. You just hunt it to extinction.
 
2010-02-05 05:37:31 PM  

I should have been aborted:

Wrong, no you don't have to. You just hunt it to extinction.


Well, that's true. We could just not give a shiat. But I have both moral and selfish objections to that.
 
2010-02-05 05:37:43 PM  

Satanicpuppy: Hardly matters.


Sadly, you're right. The Japanese multi-billion tuna industry has foresight. They've been ramping-up their rape of the oceans lately (enforcement of current migratory fish quotas and regulations is laughable) and stockpiling frozen tuna. The idea is that "Hey, let's make sure that when they're extinct, we'll have the market cornered!"

Caught a screening of a documentary (new window) last night addressing the global collapse of marine fisheries. Disturbing stuff.
 
2010-02-05 05:38:28 PM  
Came for a picture of Spock, and a movie quote from Star Trek IV, left disappointed.
 
2010-02-05 05:38:58 PM  
why the fark are you blaming Japan?

Who the fark cares how much demand they have for a product. There's always demand for something, god sake.

France, Libya, and Turkey are the ones who did all the overfishing. They're the ones who broke the law. Japan has nothing to do with the breaking of the quotas or any of that shiat.
 
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