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2003-04-15 12:49:25 PM  
GRAYCAT"What would Africa look like if there hadn't been a practice of taking the best and the brightest and making them slaves? If you have any interest in archeaology and ancient history you would know that Africa was doing pretty damn good until slavery came along."

um, slavery didnt "come along". Slavery was practiced by africans, when the europeans started trading with africa and exploring, having contact with africans, etc, they began to "get on board" (no pun intended). Europeans *did* inflate demand and make it more widespread than it had been, but to imply that slavery didnt exist until the europeans started messing around with africa is not true.
 
2003-04-15 12:49:43 PM  
Weemill:

there is a big difference between thinking they do not have an equal footing, and accepting any blame for somthing you did not do. I refuse to accept responsibilty for others actions. they did it, blame them. This is not an oversimplification. the idea that the sins of your fathers can be passed down to his children is a large load of crap, and that is exactly what you are doing if you want me to accept blame, or feel bad for slavery. the only difference is there does not have to be a distinct blood relation, just a shared nationality. that is a load of crap.
 
2003-04-15 12:49:44 PM  
The Gray Cat: Slavery was, and is, the biggest contributing factor

You know who most slaves were? People from small villages deep in the forest. The more modern, well-to-do, future of the country people in Africa went in and got them to sell to slave traders. The groups that would have gone on to govern the countries if it wasn't for European colonization weren't hit very hard at all
 
2003-04-15 12:50:22 PM  
04-15-03 12:48:41 PM Big_Bad_Dad
"You all need a time out and some milk."


I'd rather have a beer.

/Billy Madison
 
2003-04-15 12:50:31 PM  
"Um, do you have any facts to support this statement? Was there some kind of test someone had to pass before they could qualify to be a slave? I was under the impression they just grabbed whoever was available. Also, i've never owned any slaves but if it was me I wouldn't want the most intelligent people as slaves."

No, you would want really dumb people to, basically, run your plantation. I mean, it's only your living.
 
2003-04-15 12:50:49 PM  
Ivan don't serf
 
2003-04-15 12:51:29 PM  
Right the ideas of the Enelightenment came from Africa and that is why they are so advanced today.


ummm yes.

Mathematicians in the middle east are credited with the invention of the number "zero" which opened the door to all of advanced mathematics.

Coincidentally zero is the IQ of some of the people posting on this board
 
2003-04-15 12:51:29 PM  
objectivist

so when slavery was abolished, we all became equal, right? how about when brown v. board of education was handed down?

in this generation, tanks were needed to get a black man into college. segregationists still sit in congress. to believe that true equality of opportunity has magically materialized in the past 50-odd years is completely ignorant.
 
2003-04-15 12:51:31 PM  
Best Men. Wedding. Best Man farks up groom's car, including stealing hubcaps.
The left is just looking for shiat to pick at now.
 
2003-04-15 12:52:40 PM  
"Yeah it has nothing to do with tribalism and mysticism."

Not really, considering every civilization has its own versions of tribalism and mysticism.
 
2003-04-15 12:52:46 PM  
the dark ages ended in europe because of the knowledge transfer from africa due to the crusades and trade. egyptians were building pyramids and creating math while europeans lived in caves.

You cant trace any thing from the enlightenment directly to africa as far as I know. Philosophy, Arcatecture, Poetry, Music, anything. I could, perhaps, be wrong. I doubt it.
 
2003-04-15 12:53:52 PM  
04-15-03 12:50:49 PM Fink
Ivan don't serf


Ha ha.. no.. Ivan plays chess, hockey, and drinks.
IIvan kills Apollo Creed.
 
2003-04-15 12:54:13 PM  
GreyAlien-

"This is the 500,000th link and I saw someone say "donkey" in it for the 500,000th time and it was the 500,000th time it wasn't funny."

Come one GreyAlien- it was funny! HAHA! Yes, I say, HAHA! Type it with me now GreyAlien... LOL!

Oh yeah, and Fink is a genius too! Such clever posts. Really telling us how it is. Putting us in our place... so very clever. He gets a LOL! too. Uh yeah...
 
2003-04-15 12:54:55 PM  
Congrats Fark!
 
2003-04-15 12:54:56 PM  
"You cant trace any thing from the enlightenment directly to africa as far as I know. Philosophy, Arcatecture, Poetry, Music, anything. I could, perhaps, be wrong. I doubt it. "

Do a little research. You would find you are wrong.
 
2003-04-15 12:56:17 PM  
TheGrayCat :

got any examples?
 
2003-04-15 12:56:42 PM  
Weemill

No one is saying that slavery isn't a disgusting practice. My point is no one seems to recognize the context when discussing slavery. Some people act like America was the only country to practice it and never acknowledge that America was the only country to fight a war to end it. George Washington Carver and Fredrick Douglass weren't preaching victoomhood in late 1800's and early 1900's they cared and respected America and preached hardwork. Relaizing that the rattional businessmen will always hire the best workers and that the ones that don't will suffer. I find their stories so inspiring and courageous and now its a hundred years later and everyone is preaching victoomhood and reperations etc. I believe all men are equal and I don't think telling generation after generation of blacks that they need special favors to make it in this country is helping them at all. White condescention is worse than white racism. Shakedown artists like Jesse Jackson wouldn't have a job if blacks did succeed.
 
2003-04-15 12:57:48 PM  
Sonnyboy11 are you still mad about a previous spanking? I have yet to stand on your little pee pee today.
 
2003-04-15 12:58:50 PM  
Wow, what a huge leap to call that a racially motivated remark.

I think you're revealing a lot about yourself if you assume that quip was scandalous.
 
2003-04-15 12:58:52 PM  
Fink:

I got somthing for you.. ah there it is!

DONKEY!!!
 
2003-04-15 12:59:34 PM  
K-jack

that's not the point. Racism is practiced by people of all colors and will probabaly be practiced for a very long time. However it is not practiced by most people of either race and as long as government treats people as equals then that is fine.
 
2003-04-15 01:00:36 PM  
VROOM---
there is a big difference between thinking they do not have an equal footing, and accepting any blame for somthing you did not do. I refuse to accept responsibilty for others actions. they did it, blame them. This is not an oversimplification. the idea that the sins of your fathers can be passed down to his children is a large load of crap, and that is exactly what you are doing if you want me to accept blame, or feel bad for slavery. the only difference is there does not have to be a distinct blood relation, just a shared nationality. that is a load of crap.---

I'll raise a donke- err, drink to that!

Nice post vroom.

Yes, my ancestors on my mothers side were confederate slave owning bastards from missouri and mississippi. My fathers family was old skewl CA from 1849 and before that michigan and newyorkers who tried at bayonet point to kill my mothers ancestors.

Yes, white america had slaves. White america also rejected the practice as we westerners as a collective advanced and evolved in our thinking and in our morality, and we are continuing to advance in this direction. Times, people, and morality change.

Yes there is a lot of work to be done, noone's saying with a straight face that things are perfect or that true equality has been achieved. But we're on the way, undeniably, irrefutably headed in the right direction.

Saying that I should bear some blame for the actions of forefathers i've never met whose names i dont even know is absurd; its as ridiculous as saying the young Germans of today are responsible for the holocaust. Or saying that present day spain is literally responsible for the conquistadores brutal conquest (and subsequent unintentional depopulation through infectious diseases) of s.america and mexico.

No, we as a culture are not there yet, theres alot of hate and ignorance out there, but I think we as a society have done much of what can reasonably expect to be done to level the playing field and atone for previous wrongs.

Like vroom said,"there is a big difference between thinking they do not have an equal footing, and accepting any blame for somthing you did not do. I refuse to accept responsibilty for others actions. "

Bra-fvrkin'-vo.
 
2003-04-15 01:00:54 PM  
donkey?
 
2003-04-15 01:01:17 PM  
lol

lol!!

LOL!!!

ROFLMAO!!@@E^#$%~#@$#@^$$!@#

Aaah, I do feel better now.

PS-"eminent" should have been "imminent" in my last post. Give me a break, do you really think English is an alien's first language.
 
2003-04-15 01:01:25 PM  
So, in conclusion, "The O'Reilly Factor" would be better if someone randomly lept in front of the camera and screamed, "Donkey!"

Right?
 
2003-04-15 01:02:16 PM  
"Bill has been wonderful to these boys. He puts his money where his mouth is."

Where's that? Satan's cock? Eww, gross!


Now that's funny. Thanks Hagbardceline
 
2003-04-15 01:02:47 PM  
Not really, considering every civilization has its own versions of tribalism and mysticism.

Sure every culture has some elements but its the degree in which they're practiced that matters. Ideas change the course of history. They need to embrace reason and the rest will follow.
 
2003-04-15 01:03:27 PM  
WWWAAAHHHHOOOOO!!

Someone finally has the balls to say what everyone is thinking anyway!!!! GO BILL!!!!!
 
2003-04-15 01:03:36 PM  
500,000 and still kicking. Behold the power of Fark.
 
2003-04-15 01:04:48 PM  
04-15-03 11:24:25 AM Zipf
Self-deprecating humor is generally okay. Humor that targets others (children, minorities, etc) and plays on peoples' feelings of racial superiority may be branded as racist. Racism is so embedded in present-day thought, that "racial equality" is impossible - imagine meeting a black man and NOT noticing that he is black? What is possible is understanding and tolerance of our differences.

You may be right about present-day thought. However, I predict that in one hundred years, outwardly visible race politics will become irrelevant. There may still be pockets of racism in some backwater parts of the world, but those will be mere curiosities. With the development of the Internet, the cultures of the world are becoming homogenized, for better or worse. Interracial and homosexual relationships, once unthinkable, are commonplace, if not government-sanctioned. Once genetic screening is available at low cost, thoughtful parents will want to ensure the best possible traits for their children. Insurance companies will prefer those with genes that can be shown to have reduced risk for disease. Designer genes are "scary" in today's political climate, but I think that its scariness will wear off, and it will become standard. As much as the "people of color" may disagree, there is less real racism now than ever before. Look at us. We're picking apart a man who made a joke that can be interpreted as racist. We are not forcing blacks to the back of the bus or making them pick cotton or selling them. Currently, there is a great deal of political hay to be made of petty racism: jokes, affirmative action, etc. People like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are still quite adept at making a living at racial polarization, but I do not believe that it will carry into the 22nd century.
 
2003-04-15 01:04:57 PM  
/me is waiting for the second enlightenment.

Who would think that the enlightened would still be settling their differences by throwing really fancy rocks at each other.
 
2003-04-15 01:05:25 PM  
Father Jack how good to see you!
 
2003-04-15 01:05:52 PM  
Father_Jack:

thankya sir.
 
2003-04-15 01:05:59 PM  
Vroomazoom: I would tend to agree.

However, slavery, Jim crow, sharecropping, etc., has instituted an inherent loathing for people of color. From blacks being viewed as criminals to monkeys, there is a negative view of everything black. Blacks are not on an equal footing because of this inherent mindview of many people, even amongst the black community.

I challenge everyone to have an open mind, and abolish all stereotypes about everyone else, because it is through these stereotypes and perceptions that racism continues to thrive.

Don't get me wrong here, or in my previous post. I don't often believe that white people, as a group, have some sort of 'white agenda,' (although i wouldn't doubt it for some)but i do believe that individual racism exists. Whether it is realized or not, i see it rear its head in reality all to often.

Whether its the japanese internment during wwII, improper arrest procedures on muslims within the past few years, racial profiling by cops, etc. racism does exist, and it's institutionalized. I wouldn't doubt many people here harbor racist p.o.v.'s, and have black,arabs,etc. as their best friends. Its this institutionalized racism that eats at the very fabric of the concept of America as a melting pot. "give us your tired your weary, as long as they're white." Also, i think race is important to many, b/c america doesn't have a nationist perspective. White, black, we're all mutts, and don't have much of a culture to cling to. and this, i believe helps to further discriminatory perspectives on both sides of the coin. I think blacks would like to have a little more opportunity to move up the social ladder, because whites, even poor, trailor living, hicks (read: kentuckian) have the opportunity to move up the social ladder. Its inner city blacks who have the hardest time moving up.

I hope my rant was readable, and i don't mind discussing this further by email. weemili at loyno dot edu

/rant
 
2003-04-15 01:06:15 PM  
How precious... this person is play acting that he/she is an Alien, isn't that cute. Okay, for the rest of the day, I'm gonna be a... Firetruck!!! yay wheeeee

wee woo wee wooo wee woo
 
2003-04-15 01:06:33 PM  
600,000 American died in the Civil War. Isn't that enough for reparations?
 
2003-04-15 01:06:37 PM  
I grew up with my parents telling me that I have to work twice as hard because I'm not white. Scarred me. Now I can't stop working hard. Damn them!
 
2003-04-15 01:06:59 PM  
Howdy vroom, objectivist, Father Jack.

Nice post vroom.
 
2003-04-15 01:08:44 PM  
Fink:

sorry that was not for you. you can keep it if you want, but if you could could you pass it over to GreyAlien for me? sorry bout that. my cut and paste skills are on par with a 2 year old.
 
2003-04-15 01:09:20 PM  
So, Do you want free shiat PopIcon88?
 
2003-04-15 01:09:44 PM  
Clearly, O'Riley is a thought-criminal. Only when he and his evil-thinking conservative breatheren are purged from our great society can we all be free.

And didn't we all just make our annual our reparations payment today...?
 
2003-04-15 01:10:10 PM  
or over instant messenger, since i'm at work and IM'ing is easier
 
2003-04-15 01:10:26 PM  
I've got enough from you Fink to last awhile Fink. Thanks.
 
2003-04-15 01:10:54 PM  
I challenge everyone to have an open mind, and abolish all stereotypes about everyone else

Does this include your perceptions that racism is still thriving?
 
2003-04-15 01:11:15 PM  
"600,000 American died in the Civil War. Isn't that enough for reparations?"

I thought the Civil War wasn't about slavery. That's what everyone here in NC screams whenever you mention the subject.
 
2003-04-15 01:11:38 PM  
Hey guys, I don't want to crap on your parade, but everyone should stop talking about slavery in the past tense. Slavery is still in common practice in Africa and Asia today. In fact, it is estimated that there are more slaves in bondage now than there have ever been throughout history.

Also, a few corrections. The Middle-East is in Asia not Africa. Also, the Egyptians were building those great pyramids with slave labor (oops).

You would do better to blame colonialism, rather than slavery, for the current situation in Africa right now. When England, France, Belgium, and others partitioned the various lands they took over, they did without regard to Ethnic or religious background, creating states like Nigeria with hundreds of ethnic groups and religions, many of who despise each other. Instant endless conflict. Yay.
 
2003-04-15 01:11:43 PM  
O'Reilly does worse than this on every show he's done. He's practically jumped outta his chair and biatch-slapped a few of his guests. This is a no-suprise non-issue...
 
2003-04-15 01:12:01 PM  
FINK---
How precious... this person is play acting that he/she is an Alien, isn't that cute. Okay, for the rest of the day, I'm gonna be a... Firetruck!!! yay wheeeee wee woo wee wooo wee woo---

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

i just peed my pants. . .LMAO

crap i gotta meeting with a bunch marketing asshats in a while, and im gonna hafta do it with a big wetstain on my pants...

*nods to the locals* boys, nice to see you
 
2003-04-15 01:12:33 PM  
That's funny. My parents told me I only had to work half as hard in life because I'm white!
 
2003-04-15 01:13:06 PM  
How's it goin Bobert
 
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