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  2009-04-14 06:34:13 AM
"It takes me about half a minute to respond to anything you say."

But that's just it WHidbey...

You don't actually respond to my comments. You simply say that they are talking points. As I said before, you haven't even proved anything that I have said about Obama as being false.

You tell RobertL...

"Now how about actually having an argument next time?"

And I hate to tell you this Whidbey but simply saying that something is a "talking point" is not an argument.

"Are you really that blind to the kind of hate he spews? Wanting Obama to fail? Referring to Obama as the "TOTUS?" "Barack the Magic Negro"?"

WOW....

IF that is your idea of "hate" then you are truely thin skinned....
 
  2009-04-14 04:26:31 PM
dottedmint: As I said before, you haven't even proved anything that I have said about Obama as being false.

Once again, in fact, I believe I've made this argument several times as usual, there isn't any question that you're talking about real events. It's just that I've yet to hear a real criticism that sticks. You're just going down a list that Limbaugh has thumbtacked to his microphone stand as far as I'm concerned.

"Are you really that blind to the kind of hate he spews? Wanting Obama to fail? Referring to Obama as the "TOTUS?" "Barack the Magic Negro"?"

dottedmint: WOW....

IF that is your idea of "hate" then you are truely thin skinned....


More like "wow" you're really brainwashed by this guy to not see what a total hatemonger he is.

Oh I forgot. He's a "comedian." He's "funny." Grin and bear it.

Yeah, uh, get back to me when you actually have a real criticism of this administration, and the less hypocrisy the better.
 
  2009-04-14 10:25:01 PM
"I believe I've made this argument several times as usual, there isn't any question that you're talking about real events."

Thank you Whidbey.....

Everything that I have posted about Obama has been true....

Simply saying that they are "talking points" does not make my comments false....

"More like "wow" you're really brainwashed by this guy to not see what a total hatemonger he is."

So your examples of "hate" are...

saying that you want someone who you disagree with politically to fail....

using a term that makes fun of Obamas use of a teleprompter....

and...

a saterical song about Obama and Al Sharpton.....


Why don't you find yourself some real examples of "hate" and then come back here....
 
  2009-04-15 03:27:08 PM
dottedmint: Why don't you find yourself some real examples of "hate" and then come back here....

Rush is pretty much widely condemned as a hatemonger. All he does is take small non-incidents and blow them up into veiled racist, sexist anti-progressive shock talk for ratings. You brush it off as if you don't take him seriously, but here you are agreeing with his idiocy.

Like I said, I really don't care if Obama handed the wrong kind of DVDs to the Prime Minister or whatever scheduled Gaffe of the Week we're talking about, your desperation to pin anything on him is laughable, and what's more, you can't see you're falling victim to it.

It's actually more reminiscent of the desperation Republicans had when they couldn't make anyting stick to Clinton, hence the "Slick Willie" moniker, inspired also by Limbaugh-inspired tripe.

If he is what the modern conservative "movement" represents, you are indeed sad people.
 
  2009-04-15 03:28:19 PM
whidbey: inspired also by Limbaugh-inspired tripe.

Redundant whidbey is redundant. You can tell I really like the guy and what he means to you... ;-p
 
  2009-04-15 06:11:01 PM
dottedmint must be at the Tea Party....I'm sure I'll check in later...
 
  2009-04-15 09:28:34 PM
"Rush is pretty much widely condemned as a hatemonger."

Again Whidbey if the best you can do to illustrate "hate" is.....

saying that you want someone who you disagree with politically to fail....

using a term that makes fun of Obamas use of a teleprompter....

and...

a saterical song about Obama and Al Sharpton.....


...then your condemnation is (sorry) pointless.

"and blow them up into veiled racist, sexist anti-progressive shock talk for ratings."

Now you accuse Rush of being racist and sexist?????

Do you have actual examples or are these more pointless accusations?

Are any of your examples as bad as when Dems call Black conservatives "Uncle Toms" or "Aunt Jemimas"???

"Like I said, I really don't care if Obama handed the wrong kind of DVDs to the Prime Minister..."

Except that whenever Bush would make a mistake the left would use it as some sort of evidence that he was not experienced enough to be President. My point in this whole thing is that IF it had been Bush who gave the wrong DVDs to the PM the left would be using it against him. It really is that simple.

But as you said before....

Everything that I posted about Obama is true....
 
  2009-04-16 07:17:51 PM
dottedmint: Do you have actual examples or are these more pointless accusations?

*shrugs*

Go ahead. Keep defending him and showing your ignorance. It's your life. I'm not going to argue the obvious, which is that you're so brainwashed by his propaganda you can't see what a reprehensible person he is.

using a term that makes fun of Obamas use of a teleprompter....

Riiight...so show me where Rush yukked it up over Bush or Reagan using teleprompters. Another stupid cheap shot that shows what an ass Limbaugh is.

a saterical song about Obama and Al Sharpton....

Yeah, that point's pretty busted too. Go on, keep defending such a stupid racist epithet. I keep forgetting it's "funny." He's a "comedian." We liberals should get a spine and a sense of humor anytime someone says something that blatantly offensive. *eyeroll*

Now you accuse Rush of being racist and sexist?????

Look, if he's your kind of (dis)infotainment, bully for you. You certainly have the right to listen to his garbage and take it to heart. But don't expect reasonable people to fall so easily into line.

When he falls, it's going to be harder than an 8.0 on the Richter Scale. It will be a national day of rejoicing. One less mean-spirited closed-minded person shooting his fat mouth off.

Except that whenever Bush would make a mistake the left would use it as some sort of evidence that he was not experienced enough to be President.

Another strawman right-wing talking point. You've got a million of them. Not worth my comment.

Everything that I posted about Obama is true....

And as I've said, nobody with even half a brain cares about the stupid little collection of non-issues you're filing away as attacks.

You've got nothing, and you're doing right-wing talk radio's work for them.
 
  2009-04-17 06:32:31 AM
WOW....

I did not notice that Fark has a censor. (so much for free speech)

We were talking about racist words and I said that if the song said "Barack the magic (insert the N word)" that it would be a racist song.

And instead of using the actual word Fark changed the word and inserted "attractive and successful African-American". And was this word automatically changed via a filter or did a moderator from Fark change it after someone complained? I didn't notice when I posted if it had been already changed.

I would be curious to know how many other words in the English language are forbidden to be used in Fark.

And...

For the record...

IF I had been actually calling Obama a (insert the N word) I would agree that would be wrong but that's not what I was doing.

I was saying that (insert the N word) is racist...

Negro is not racist...

Oh well....
 
  2009-04-17 03:30:28 PM
dottedmint: (so much for free speech)



boobies
 
  2009-04-17 04:08:55 PM
dottedmint: I did not notice that Fark has a censor. (so much for free speech)

Dude you crack me up. You only just found out about "The Fark Filter?"

Maybe if you went out into the regular threads once in awhile---->

Oh well....

Look. I don't want to spoil your listening livilhood. I'm not going to argue about the merits of Rush Limbaugh. Just know that none of us here have any respect for what he has to say, and have long been aware of the years of accumulated criticism leveled against him.

I'll TRY to argue the ideas and not the man, it's probably best. But also know that so far, I've heard little about this administration that has convinced me I've made the wrong choice. At least do the decency of giving this Presidency six months.

I hated Bush and I gave the bastard two years.
 
  2009-04-17 11:29:13 PM
"I'm not going to argue about the merits of Rush Limbaugh. Just know that none of us here have any respect for what he has to say, and have long been aware of the years of accumulated criticism leveled against him."

Right....

Even though you do not listen to him....

Have you ever listened to one entire program of his???

Personally, I doubt it....


You have called him racist, sexist and a hatemonger but you have not provided evidence to support those accusations.

'At least do the decency of giving this Presidency six months."

Most Democrats didn't even give Bush one month...

And please tell me if you agree with Obama using the US military to kill pirates that do not pose a threat to this country?
 
  2009-04-18 12:49:36 AM
dottedmint: We were talking about racist words and I said that if the song said "Barack the magic (insert the N word)" that it would be a racist song.

If I remember the few time that I heard that song on Rush's program it was Negro which the filter should not catch. Did you put an -er in there?... But I no longer have a chance to listen to Rush anymore because my guy has his own talk show during the same timeslot.

The first ammendment... well all ammendments... only work in conjunction with the actions of the govt and not individuals actions. This being a public site Drew can censor any statement made by anyone.
 
  2009-04-18 09:57:50 AM
Saiga410

I used both words....

I said that if it had said (insert the N word) that it would be racist but since it used the word Negro that it is not racist.

I simply did not realize that Fark had a filter on it.....

Oh well....

And I know that The First Amendment is based on what the federal government can (or more specifically) cannot do.

I meant my comment to be more sarcastic than serious....
 
  2009-04-18 05:59:10 PM
dottedmint: You have called him racist, sexist and a hatemonger but you have not provided evidence to support those accusations.

dottedmint:

Not my problem you're in the dark about the obvious. Seriously, where have you been?

Have you ever listened to one entire program of his???

Personally, I doubt it....


Seriously, yes, I have. Back in the 1990s, extensively. How's that for a shocker?

Mostly out of listening what the other side was up to, but I'll admit I got reeled in by his smooth propandistic style. I actually believed that his anti-progressive, racist sexist diatribes were "funny." Friends were starting to wonder about me.

And please tell me if you agree with Obama using the US military to kill pirates that do not pose a threat to this country?

Yes, I know what an idiot Rush made of himself over this non-issue, too.

Please tell me you're not adding it to your checklist of things for Obama voters to question why they voted for him...

Yes, dottedmint one of these days you're actually going to come up with a legitimate criticism you can level at this still under-100 days administration.

I'm counting on you.
 
  2009-04-19 01:23:17 PM
"Not my problem you're in the dark about the obvious. Seriously, where have you been?"

If it is so obvious Whidbey then simply post an actual example of something he said that is sexist, racist, or hateful. I'm sorry but so far you have not posted examples to support your claims.

"Yes, I know what an idiot Rush made of himself over this non-issue, too."

So Whidbey you support using the military to kill pirates???

I would have sworn that you had once told me that the military should ONLY BE USED when there is a Declaration of War or when it is responding to a threat to national security. I thought you were against using the military as a global police force.

How far are you willing to support this?
 
  2009-04-19 05:56:35 PM
Here is an example of hatemongering from the left.....


On MSNBC Janeane Garofalo attacked people who went to TEA parties....


JANEANE GAROFALO: "Thank you. You know, there's nothing more interesting than seeing a bunch of racists become confused and angry at a speech they're not quite certain what he's saying. It sounds right and then it doesn't make sense. Which, let's be very honest about what this is about. It's not about bashing Democrats, it's not about taxes, they have no idea what the Boston tea party was about, they don't know their history at all. This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up. That is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks. And there is no way around that. And you know, you can tell these type of right wingers anything and they'll believe it, except the truth. You tell them the truth and they become -- it's like showing Frankenstein's monster fire. They become confused, and angry and highly volatile. That guy, causing them feelings they don't know, because their limbic brain, we've discussed this before, the limbic brain inside a right-winger or Republican or conservative or your average white power activist, the limbic brain is much larger in their head space than in a reasonable person, and it's pushing against the frontal lobe. So their synapses are misfiring. Is Bernie Goldberg listening?"
 
  2009-04-28 07:34:39 PM
The more that I see of the Obama administration the more I am amazed at the genius that is the Obama. It amazes me at the forethought that they showed by having the CIA release a bad strain of engineered bovine influenza just early enough to cause a pandemic fear in order to get the pro baby killing HSS nominee passed.

/Y'all like my shiny new hat.
//I think it may be a bit too tight though.
 
  2009-05-05 10:33:44 PM
Saiga410: The more that I see of the Obama administration the more I am amazed at the genius that is the Obama. It amazes me at the forethought that they showed by having the CIA release a bad strain of engineered bovine influenza just early enough to cause a pandemic fear in order to get the pro baby killing HSS nominee passed.

/Y'all like my shiny new hat.
//I think it may be a bit too tight though.


Bovine? shouldn't it read porcine?
 
  2009-05-08 05:39:05 PM
I thought I'd let you guys know I got my rainbow-crappin unicorn in the mail today.
 
  2009-05-11 09:19:57 PM
Thanks for contributing.
 
  2009-05-15 04:45:57 AM
I can't believe that Rick Perry was ever thinking about turning down any of the stimulus package.

In the last year Texas DPS has been overwhelmed by the number of requests for Concealed Handgun Licenses. We should be using that money to support the under staffed programs that we already have in place.
 
  2009-05-22 12:33:23 AM
MegaCorpEmployee: I can't believe that Rick Perry was ever thinking about turning down any of the stimulus package.

In the last year Texas DPS has been overwhelmed by the number of requests for Concealed Handgun Licenses. We should be using that money to support the under staffed programs that we already have in place.


You must be kidding, Obama will cut stim funds for any state that does something with their budget that he does not like. Just look at what they are threatining to do to CA (new window) With Obama's track record on gun rights I would think he would cut the stim funds to the state if they shift funds towards a gun rights issue.
 
  2009-05-22 07:12:52 PM
I believe the intent is to track the stimulus funds given to states for new projects in order to be accountable for those funds. I don't see President Obama using the funds as a big stick to enforce policy as you seem to be suggesting, Saiga410 .

As to Texas:

Weren't they one of the states that said they weren't going to take the funds?

Isn't their Governor making ridiculous noises about secession?

And finally, do we really need more handguns in Texas?
 
  2009-05-25 08:25:29 PM
Anyone else notice a giant thread on Israel disappear off of the face of Fark?
 
  2009-05-26 04:25:58 PM
Murkanen: Anyone else notice a giant thread on Israel disappear off of the face of Fark?

Yeah, and, I had actually wanted to read that. Now, I just get a message saying "This article is no longer available. Reason: Trainwreck", making me all the more angry.
 
  2009-05-26 08:08:10 PM
Soup4bonnie I see that you don't see. AND....yes yes and yes.
 
  2009-05-27 07:27:45 AM
Murkanen: Anyone else notice a giant thread on Israel disappear off of the face of Fark?

That is the first step of my brilliant 3-part anti-semetic plan.

Step 1: Destroy the Israel thread on Fark.com
Step 2: ????????????
Step 3: Profit.
 
  2009-05-27 07:58:21 PM
redhead88: Soup4bonnie I see that you don't see. AND....yes yes and yes

Then please give an example of such.

And please explain why Texas needs more handguns. That ought to be a hoot.
 
  2009-05-27 11:54:16 PM
Soup4Bonnie: Then please give an example of such.

And please explain why Texas needs more handguns. That ought to be a hoot.


from what I understand, more handguns in Texas do not equal more violence, but selling more handguns must certainly stimulate the economy somehow, right?
 
  2009-06-07 09:14:23 AM
what do i have to do to submit a photo for a photoshop contect?
 
  2009-06-07 08:23:26 PM
Pigdog63: what do i have to do to submit a photo for a photoshop contect?

You have to correctly answer this riddle:

Brad stared through the dirty soot-smeared window on the 22nd floor of the office tower. Overcome with depression he slid the window open and jumped through it. It was a sheer drop outside the building to the ground. Miraculously after he landed he was completely unhurt. Since there was nothing to cushion his fall or slow his descent, how could he have survived the fall?
 
  2009-06-08 07:34:21 PM
I can only guess HoboSong that Brad is a window washer and jumped from the outside to the inside and safely landed on the floor of the 22nd floor.

But that would just be a guess.....
 
  2009-06-08 11:47:11 PM
whidbey: dottedmint: Just tell me what Obama is doing differently in Iraq than what Bush was doing or was talking about doing.

When did Bush actually promise the American people he was going to end the occupation?

Cite the speech and the date it was given.

Oh and I find it funny how many stories I have heard in the news about how safe Iraq is becoming....

Even if you did find one story (probably from Fox News, surprise) it's pretty obvious that now that Bush is out of office, there's hope for the Iraqis that we're finally making an effort to leave so they can get on with their lives.

I can't help but wonder how many Obama voters are now sorry for their vote.

I'm not sorry. And exactly what Presidential power does Obama have to force the executives not to take their bonuses?

Show me where that is in the Constitution?


I think that one of the biggest things that Obama is doing so far is not in Iraq per say, but the middle east in general. I see the president trying to rebuild alot of the bridges that were burnt during the previous administration. Closing or rather, working on closing GITMO whether one thinks it was a bad idea or not, was a good precursor to the speach that he just gave on the al jazeera network. So, the man is working hard no doubt. We saw the same type of open and inviting retoric durring the g20 summit. As far as Iraq, I do still think that alot of work has to be done, and I guess that I would like to see some more progress in that particular country seeing as we are still at war there. (pahyn)
 
  2009-06-08 11:53:19 PM
First of all, I think that is important to note that I feel the people that are tending to angrily post on here have already made up thier minds about the topics that they are discussing and NOTHING is going to sway them. This then, is for those still listening. :)

I think that one of the biggest things that Obama is doing so far is not in Iraq per say, but the middle east in general. I see the president trying to rebuild alot of the bridges that were burnt during the previous administration. Closing or rather, working on closing GITMO whether one thinks it was a bad idea or not, was a good precursor to the speach that he just gave on the al jazeera network. So, the man is working hard no doubt. We saw the same type of open and inviting retoric durring the g20 summit. As far as Iraq, I do still think that alot of work has to be done, and I guess that I would like to see some more progress in that particular country seeing as we are still at war there. (pahyn)
 
  2009-06-09 07:00:06 AM
I'm curious Pahyn what bridges you feel were burnt in the Mid East during Bushs term.

And has Obama decided where he is going to go with the people at Gitmo?

And just for the record, I find it interesting that since Obama took office we don't hear much about Iraq (or Afghanistan) in the news.
 
  2009-06-10 05:06:53 PM
www.lakeshorelaments.com
 
  2009-06-11 06:41:11 PM
Our analysis will surely evolve as we and other economists work further on this topic. The results will also change as the actual package parameters are determined in cooperation with the Congress. Nevertheless, this report suggests a methodology for ensuring that the package contains enough stimulus that we can have confidence that it will create sufficient jobs to meet the President-Elect's goals.


---The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan, Jan 9, 2009

Re: The original table

The table shows that we expect the plan to more than meet the goal of creating or saving 3 million jobs by 2010Q4. There are two important points to note, however: First, the likely scale of employment loss is extremely large. The U.S. economy has already lost nearly 2.6 million jobs since the business cycle peak in December 2007. In the absence of stimulus, the economy could lose another 3 to 4 million more. Thus, we are working to counter a potential total job loss of at least 5 million. As Figure 1 shows, even with the large prototypical package, the unemployment rate in 2010Q4 is predicted to be approximately 7.0%, which is well below the
approximately 8.8% that would result in the absence of a plan.1

Second, as emphasized above, there is considerable uncertainty in our estimates: both the impact of the package on GDP and the relationship between higher GDP and job creation are hard to
estimate precisely. In light of the substantial quarter-to-quarter variation in the estimates of job creation, we believe a reasonable range for 2010Q4 is 3.3 to 4.1 million jobs created.

1 Forecasts of the unemployment rate without the recovery plan vary substantially. Some private forecasters anticipate unemployment rates as high as 11% in the absence of action.
 
  2009-06-14 08:34:22 AM
So if we had not spent a trillion dollars how much worse would unemployment be???
 
  2009-06-15 11:58:42 AM
Soup4Bonnie:

1 Forecasts of the unemployment rate without the recovery plan vary substantially. Some private forecasters anticipate unemployment rates as high as 11% in the absence of action.
 
  2009-06-15 02:41:16 PM
Soup4Bonnie: 1 Forecasts of the unemployment rate without the recovery plan vary substantially. Some private forecasters anticipate unemployment rates as high as 11% in the absence of action.

I'm sure the Free Markettm would have taken care of everything. And everybody.

*coughs*
 
  2009-06-15 07:18:39 PM
Good to see you, Whid.

What do you think of the situation in Iran?
 
  2009-06-15 11:33:38 PM
Soup4Bonnie: Good to see you, Whid.

Likewise...:)

What do you think of the situation in Iran?

Well you know, if the US keeps its nosy butt out of the action, this could be the best damn thing for Iran.

There are certainly people willing to fight and die for a decent standard of living just like our own forefathers did.

They need to fight this battle and pull their country out of the dirt.
 
  2009-06-16 06:57:48 AM
So let me see if I have this right....

Some estimates say that without the stimulus spending unemployment could get as high as 11%....

Ok...

Right now unemployment is 9.4% and we really do not know how high it is going to get before things get better.

Lets say unemployment gets up to 10%....

We spend a trillion dollars and we save a difference of 1% when compared to the worse estimate and that is suppose to somehow be money well spent???

I can't help but wonder what unemployment would have done if we had only spent ...say.... half of what Obama spent.

Maybe we would have gotten up to 10.5%....(we are not that far away now)

I guess my question is ultimately....

How high can unemployment get before we can say that the Obama stimulus plan is a failure????
 
  2009-06-16 12:30:22 PM
dottedmint: How high can unemployment get before we can say that the Obama stimulus plan is a failure????

I liken your question to a scenario where someone is bleeding from the femoral artery.

Do nothing, the person dies.

Put a bandage on the wound, the person's life could still be in jeopardy but you've saved his life.

That's where we are now.

But aside from all that, spending money at home is always a good idea.

And yes, the Dems went all-out, but part of the reason they did is because Republicans would have very likely filibustered any project that wasn't shoved into the overall stimulus plan.

Your party's stubborn contrariness is to blame, really, and every indication tells me they're not the least willing to compromise or work with this administration.
 
  2009-06-16 02:35:48 PM
whidbey: They need to fight this battle and pull their country out of the dirt.

Agreed. I would love to see this result in a change in leadership in Iran to one with a more socially progressive, less nuclear ambitious slant to it.
 
  2009-06-16 11:21:16 PM
Hardly Whidbey....

Your scenario doesn't fit reality.

We are told that unemployment may reach as high as 11% (of course I thought that was suppose to be without a stimulus) and that is hardly the equivalent of someone bleeding to death.

We are also talking about a trillion dollar stimulus package and that is hardly the same as putting on a bandage.

A better scenario would be a person who has the flu spending thousands of dollars trying to get over the flu faster.

But I'll ask again...

At what point can we say that the Obama stimulus package is a failure?
 
  2009-06-17 03:06:26 AM
dottedmint: Your scenario doesn't fit reality.

How so? Specifically.

We are also talking about a trillion dollar stimulus package and that is hardly the same as putting on a bandage.

It's the best, simplest analogy. Reread my post again if you can't understand it.

A better scenario would be a person who has the flu spending thousands of dollars trying to get over the flu faster.

Fine. A flu that's life-threatening. But yes, I see your little jab directed at the spending nonetheless.


At what point can we say that the Obama stimulus package is a failure?


You seem to think it's going to be some kind of quick recovery.

Nobody else has those kinds of unrealistic expectations.

I say a trillion is going to affect this country in some positive way.

But if you want me to throw you a bone, I suppose that if the economy kept spiraling downward in the next few years and unemployment figures kept increasing despite the efforts, then I would concede things didn't work so well.

But it's up to you to be the one to prove that without this stimulus package we would have picked up in terms of employment or overall economic positive numbers.

Same thing goes if we had spent only half of the total amount. Up to you.

I don't think you can prove anything of the sort.

I don't think this effort will ever be considered a failure, any more than the New Deal was. That was also the right thing to do and it very much held this country together during tough times. Sometimes that's all anyone can do.

Again, I'm pleased that we're finally spending money at home. It's been a good long while, and it's never been on this scale. Good enough for me.
 
  2009-06-17 07:00:24 AM
Whidbey "How so? Specifically."

Your serious????

OK Fine...

You said, "Do nothing, the person dies."

If we did nothing and unemployment reached 11% (we are not that far from that now) this country would not have "died" as in your example.

"It's the best, simplest analogy."

Spending a trillion dollars that we do not have is NOT like putting a bandage on a cut. (no matter how bad the cut is)

"Fine. A flu that's life-threatening."

Again.... 11% unemployment would not be "life-threatening" to this economy.

You are making it sound like if we do nothing that this country would fall apart and everything would be gone. That is not what we face and that is why I say your examples do not fit reality.

"You seem to think it's going to be some kind of quick recovery.

Nobody else has those kinds of unrealistic expectations."


Well....

Obviously the Obama team thought there would be some sort of recovery from their package. Otherwise why would they put out that chart that I posted?

Or were they putting out these "unrealistic expectations" to try to scare people into supporting their plan?

'We need to spend a trillion dollars that we do not have or everyone is going to die!!!!'

Oh... wait...

That is your example....

"But it's up to you to be the one to prove that without this stimulus package we would have picked up in terms of employment or overall economic positive numbers."

I'm not saying that we should not have had any stimulus package at all. I'm saying that spending money just for the sake of spending money is not going to stimulate this economy as much as some targeted spending.

"It's been a good long while, and it's never been on this scale. Good enough for me."

Right....

Spending money just for the sake of spending money is such a good plan.

It doesn't matter that my child will be paying for this until he dies.
 
  2009-06-17 12:43:01 PM
dottedmint: Again.... 11% unemployment would not be "life-threatening" to this economy.

Obviously, I disagree. Unemployment that high, in this day and age, would be devastating to this country. It's bad enough at 7% in my state.

Having that many people out of work is an indication of a very sick system, yea, life-threatening. I can only surmise you can't accept that either. It sounds like you wouldn't mind that figure being so high.

What would you have done to reduce such high unemployment percentages?

You are making it sound like if we do nothing that this country would fall apart and everything would be gone. That is not what we face and that is why I say your examples do not fit reality.

If anything, you are not facing the reality that we had to do something, and that many economists came to the same conclusion.

What would you have done?

Obviously the Obama team thought there would be some sort of recovery from their package. Otherwise why would they put out that chart that I posted?

I think you're setting the bar unintentionally high in an attempt to discredit the program that you don't want to succeed.

Spending money just for the sake of spending money is such a good plan.

Well, it's unfortunate that you think that's all we're doing. Many see it as investment, you see it as waste.

Investing in this country's infrastructure and creating new job industries isn't wasteful in the least. Again, it's about time we focused on long-term domestic needs.

I really don't understand why you're so opposed to that. Where in the private sector is that kind of focus? Who's spending a trillion dollars out there in hopes of revitalizing our country? Last time I checked, jobs are going overseas and companies are downsizing and laying people off.

It doesn't matter that my child will be paying for this until he dies.

Kind of a dumb argument. I'm sure you wouldn't be making the same claim if the money were spent on things you approve of.

I'm not saying that we should not have had any stimulus package at all. I'm saying that spending money just for the sake of spending money is not going to stimulate this economy as much as some targeted spending.

As in? If you say "tax cuts," you owe me twenty bucks...;)
 
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