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(Yahoo)   Producers of "Avatar" complain that their motion-capture alien stars were snubbed for Best Actor and Actress nominations   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 94
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2010-02-04 05:28:02 PM
"It's nothing like animation. The creator here is the actor, not the unseen hand of an animator," he added."

Uh... the animator is the artist here you idiot. Not some typewritten sentence that appeared in a script 24 years ago.
 
2010-02-04 05:48:14 PM
Would Avatar be nominated for Best Picture if there were only 5 nominees?
 
2010-02-04 05:56:21 PM
Mobkey: Would Avatar be nominated for Best Picture if there were only 5 nominees?

Nope; though the technical merits are considerable, overall it is depressing
that someone can spend that much on a movie and have it only be 'meh'.
 
2010-02-04 06:28:45 PM
Seriously, I mean, I finally saw it and must admit that it was visually impressive, and the special effects and 3D are more than deserving of winning every award possible. But that movie was James Cameron schlock and there wasn't a single piece of screen writing or acting in that movie, real or animated, worth a mention on the back pages of any paper. Cameron is a complete hack.
 
2010-02-04 06:50:42 PM
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We wants our Oscar nomination!
 
2010-02-04 08:56:43 PM
HotLonelyTeenageGirl: Seriously, I mean, I finally saw it and must admit that it was visually impressive, and the special effects and 3D are more than deserving of winning every award possible. But that movie was James Cameron schlock and there wasn't a single piece of screen writing or acting in that movie, real or animated, worth a mention on the back pages of any paper. Cameron is a complete hack.

See, I felt like it wasn't awful, just mediocre, pat writing. Nothing special. But then, I felt the same way about the new "Star Trek" and people have been slobbering over that all year. Huh.
 
2010-02-04 08:59:45 PM
Oh wow! An Avatar thread!

/haven't seen one all day.
 
2010-02-04 09:00:03 PM
DjangoStonereaver: Mobkey: Would Avatar be nominated for Best Picture if there were only 5 nominees?

Nope; though the technical merits are considerable, overall it is depressing
that someone can spend that much on a movie and have it only be 'meh'.


I know. It's not like it won a Golden Globe for best picture or anything. I'm sure the Oscars would have snubbed it.
 
2010-02-04 09:01:12 PM
I have to agree with the fact that they didn't get nominated.

But this raises another question: Should actors who wear prostheses on their faces for a performance also not get nominated? Arguably the effect is the same, especially the way the motion capture was done, using the algorithm as a mask.
 
2010-02-04 09:05:54 PM
Yeah, and Hayden Christensen was robbed for Attack of the Clones.
 
2010-02-04 09:07:19 PM
Why no "Best Animated Picture" nomination?
 
2010-02-04 09:14:46 PM
Zoe Saldana and James Worthington failed to earn nominations Tuesday for their motion-capture work in the sci-fi spectacular.

James Worthington?

No wonder he wasn't nominated.
 
2010-02-04 09:16:25 PM
The animation artists/fans I know are indulging in a bit of schadenfreude here; I guess Cameron thought he was somehow above the Academy animation ghetto.

(For what it's worth, I believe that actors who provide voice work and motion capture acting should be eligible for acting awards, coughcoughAndySerkiscough. However, everything I've heard about Avatar indicates that the acting is mediocre at best.)
 
2010-02-04 09:17:18 PM
Mobkey: Would Avatar be nominated for Best Picture if there were only 5 nominees?

Yes. After the public backlash from TDK not getting a nom last year, the highest grossing movie of the year will now ALWAYS be nominated if it has any quality at all.

Zoe deserves a nom anyway. That entire performance was hers, and she had to do it with all that crap on her face.
 
2010-02-04 09:22:45 PM
If Gollum didn't get a nomination, they don't. Period.
 
2010-02-04 09:24:01 PM
Maybe it's because, even in their animated forms, they weren't really all that great of actors.
 
2010-02-04 09:27:06 PM
Its not only plausible but all but certain that none of them got nominated because their acting farking sucked. You can argue the hell out of the quality of the movie but no sane person could claim any of the actor's performances warrented any award nomination whatsoever.
 
2010-02-04 09:27:54 PM
warrented? wth is that? thats not even a word.
 
2010-02-04 09:28:19 PM
If Cameron gets a nom as best director, his movie gets one as best pic. That's easy.
But while the actors were good, I don't see them bumping any of the other nominees off their respective lists.

Well, except for Sandy of course, but she's gonna win.

Oh wait, I forgot: EFF TEH OXRS!!1
 
2010-02-04 09:29:45 PM
PPL_Wannabe: "It's nothing like animation. The creator here is the actor, not the unseen hand of an animator," he added."

Uh... the animator is the artist here you idiot. Not some typewritten sentence that appeared in a script 24 years ago.


either way the acting was awful in Avatar except maybe the Evil Military Man. certainly Sam Worthington doesn't deserve a farking oscar, come on.
 
2010-02-04 09:31:02 PM
Mobkey: Would Avatar be nominated for Best Picture if there were only 5 nominees?

Who knows. Juno won a farking script oscar and Crash won best picture, so all sorts of atrocities happen at the Oscars. Avatar aside, 10 nominees is farking retarded though.
 
2010-02-04 09:46:12 PM
Bill Frist: PPL_Wannabe: "It's nothing like animation. The creator here is the actor, not the unseen hand of an animator," he added."

Uh... the animator is the artist here you idiot. Not some typewritten sentence that appeared in a script 24 years ago.

either way the acting was awful in Avatar except maybe the Evil Military Man. certainly Sam Worthington doesn't deserve a farking oscar, come on.


Blargh. I hated Evil Military Man, he was more cartoony than any other character in that movie.
 
2010-02-04 09:46:54 PM
I can tell by which people at my office liked Avatar how suck-filled it is. (My normal art-film frisnds would never see it). For example, the 50-year old woman who saw Twilight twice(!) loved Avatar. Actually, most everyone liked it - so I know it's a crapfest. Yet, not one of the ones who saw it liked Inglourious Basterds. "Not enough action." "Too many subtitles." I'd like to see the f/x in Avatar but that means seeing the movie, which I dread doing. What a revoltin' predicament.
 
2010-02-04 09:56:43 PM
Here's a question to all the Avatar fans out there.

So there's this substance Unobtanium. It's critical to humanity's future survival as a species. There are 20 billion people on earth depending on technology based on this ore to survive. Twenty. Billion. People.

There are, it would appear, roughly 10-15,000 Na'vi on Pandora.

So. When you were cheering for Jake Sully and the Na'vi, you were cheering them as they condemned twenty billion people to a slow and agonizing death.

Do you know why that wasn't brought up at all in the movie? Because it utterly skull-farks the entire premise and makes you side solidly with the humans instead of the blue aliens.
 
2010-02-04 10:00:08 PM
radioman_: I can tell by which people at my office liked Avatar how suck-filled it is. (My normal art-film frisnds would never see it). For example, the 50-year old woman who saw Twilight twice(!) loved Avatar. Actually, most everyone liked it - so I know it's a crapfest. Yet, not one of the ones who saw it liked Inglourious Basterds. "Not enough action." "Too many subtitles." I'd like to see the f/x in Avatar but that means seeing the movie, which I dread doing. What a revoltin' predicament.

If you like Terminator 2, you'll like Avatar. James Cameron is WAY better at directing 3D than other directors I've seen examples from. That said, the Hubble 3D IMAX will probably really hit me where I live.

/Twilight is "free" on Showtime, tried to watch it couldn't.
//Tried to watch it on FF, couldn't do that either. Gave up.
///Not talking about the Paul Newman one
 
2010-02-04 10:06:19 PM
Critch: Mobkey: Would Avatar be nominated for Best Picture if there were only 5 nominees?

Yes. After the public backlash from TDK not getting a nom last year, the highest grossing movie of the year will now ALWAYS be nominated if it has any quality at all.

Zoe deserves a nom anyway. That entire performance was hers, and she had to do it with all that crap on her face.


I was actually just curious what people thought. Looking at the list I doubt anyone could seriously put 5 of those films above Avatar. But I think calling the lack of acting nominations a snub is a little too far.
 
2010-02-04 10:06:48 PM
I liked Avatar - but I didn't see any performances that stood out as "oscar worthy."

Of course I don't think George Clooney playing George Clooney is "oscar worthy" either, so what do I know.
 
2010-02-04 10:08:31 PM
Um, no, there were no Oscar-worthy performances in friggin' Avatar, especially none by Sam Worthington. For fark's sake.
 
2010-02-04 10:09:49 PM
vonschiller: If Gollum didn't get a nomination, they don't. Period.

Came here for this. Thank you.

Besides, I remember Peter Jackson pushing hard for Andy Serkis to be nominated for Best Supporting Actor, and some rule about the actor must appear physically on screen blah blah blah no CGI motion capture actors. So apparently the academy has a rule.
 
2010-02-04 10:21:07 PM
Bored Horde: Here's a question to all the Avatar fans out there.

So there's this substance Unobtanium. It's critical to humanity's future survival as a species. There are 20 billion people on earth depending on technology based on this ore to survive. Twenty. Billion. People.

There are, it would appear, roughly 10-15,000 Na'vi on Pandora.

So. When you were cheering for Jake Sully and the Na'vi, you were cheering them as they condemned twenty billion people to a slow and agonizing death.

Do you know why that wasn't brought up at all in the movie? Because it utterly skull-farks the entire premise and makes you side solidly with the humans instead of the blue aliens.


So the mission of the corporate mercenaries is to redistribute the wealth of the few (the Na'vi) for the benefit of the many who are in need (humanity). Sounds like sound progressive fiscal policy to me.
 
2010-02-04 10:22:57 PM
Mocap data is filtered, processed and touched-up by hand. No actor should get an award for that. Voice acting, maybe, but not the mocap.
 
2010-02-04 10:32:12 PM
gravethoughts: So. When you were cheering for Jake Sully and the Na'vi, you were cheering them as they condemned twenty billion people to a slow and agonizing death.

I only saw Avatar once, but i don't remember it being stated that Unobtainium is necessary for life on earth, just that it "sells for 20 million a kilo." What if it's just used to make fancy gadgets and toys? If we had a choice between losing our iPhones, or wiping out the people of Madagascar, which would we, as Americans, choose?

.........oh, wait.
 
2010-02-04 10:32:39 PM
In response to the article:

I just watched the BTS feature for Avatar, and what those actors managed to accomplish and experience is pretty amazing.

And it's so new that there really is a knowledge gap between people handing out awards and well, Cameron.

No period costumes, Not too many lavish sets. Just actors in a warehouse, surrounded by tech unrelated to their scenes, and they pulled off some really great acting considering in the moment, they were required to conjure the whole world themselves.

All of Cameron's new toys are designed to provide more context for the actors and director, rather than some better-looking robot for the audience. For CG, this a seriously important development. So important, most people, including fans, don't really understand.

I just think that this "hack" talk is so far off the mark you make a parody of yourself.

@RadiomanJust like admitting that you have 'art-film friends' who refuse content based on preconceptions.
 
2010-02-04 10:36:12 PM
Quit yer gotdam whining and go roll around in your money.
 
2010-02-04 10:39:23 PM
Say what? Producers and directors of a product are promoting it for gain? And they tell me show business is a business. Feh!
 
2010-02-04 10:40:37 PM
None of the motion capture performances were really noteworthy.

Best performance in that film by far was from Stephen Lang, even though it wasn't exactly a multi-dimensional character, he nailed it. He's really an awesome actor.
 
2010-02-04 10:41:27 PM
ELF Radio: gravethoughts: So. When you were cheering for Jake Sully and the Na'vi, you were cheering them as they condemned twenty billion people to a slow and agonizing death.

I only saw Avatar once, but i don't remember it being stated that Unobtainium is necessary for life on earth, just that it "sells for 20 million a kilo." What if it's just used to make fancy gadgets and toys? If we had a choice between losing our iPhones, or wiping out the people of Madagascar, which would we, as Americans, choose?

.........oh, wait.


Haven't seen the movie, so I can't answer the question. I was simply responding to the premise as stated by the previous post from Bored Horde.

But, since it's perfectly clear that Madagascar would callously close their ports and leave us all to die in the event of catastrophic global plague, I say fark 'em.
 
2010-02-04 10:45:14 PM
Zoe Saldana's performance in Avatar was certainly Oscar-worthy. I was afraid the Academy folks at Golden Corral wouldn't understand that Zoe was wearing digital make-up but that the emoting and reacting was all hers. She really was the best thing in the film.
 
2010-02-04 10:46:22 PM
Giving the lead characters oscar nods because of their ability to work around motion capture is a stupid excuse. It would be like giving out oscar nominations to actors who do really cool stunts. Best actor/actress oscars go to people who exhibit extraordinary talent in making the script believable and note worthy. The actors for avatar did not do that. Most people will not remember a character like Jake Sully a year from now, if he has not already been forgotten.
 
2010-02-04 10:53:15 PM
ActionJoe: Giving the lead characters oscar nods because of their ability to work around motion capture is a stupid excuse. It would be like giving out oscar nominations to actors who do really cool stunts. Best actor/actress oscars go to people who exhibit extraordinary talent in making the script believable and note worthy. The actors for avatar did not do that. Most people will not remember a character like Jake Sully a year from now, if he has not already been forgotten.

But they will remember Neytiri. Especially since many new parents are naming their daughters with that name.

Zoe nailed it.
 
2010-02-04 10:58:50 PM
I think if the actor gets nominated for a motion capture role, then so should the animators/renderers who help to create the entirety of the physical character. Unlike a makeup artist, the talents of these techs are 100% crucial to the actor's visual performance; without these techs' talents, is just giving the equivalent of a great radio performance.
 
2010-02-04 11:00:26 PM
I think if the actor gets nominated for a motion capture role, then so should the animators/renderers who help to create the entirety of the physical character. Unlike a makeup artist, the talents of these techs are 100% crucial to the actor's visual performance; without these techs' talents, the actor is just giving the equivalent of a great radio performance.

/fixed
 
2010-02-04 11:02:21 PM
gravethoughts: Haven't seen the movie, so I can't answer the question. I was simply responding to the premise as stated by the previous post from Bored Horde.

Whoops, quoted the wrong person. My baaaaaad.
 
2010-02-04 11:09:09 PM
Fark Cameron and Fark Avatar. That was the worst movie I've seen in the past year. Pretty special effects really don't mean much when coupled with crap acting and a completely unoriginal story.
 
2010-02-04 11:18:10 PM
lisarenee3505: Fark Cameron and Fark Avatar. That was the worst movie I've seen in the past year. Pretty special effects really don't mean much when coupled with crap acting and a completely unoriginal story.

I wasn't crazy about the story either but FX, sound and cinematography shouldn't be totally ruled out. And what story is original?

I hope Jeff Bridges wins. I didn't even see the movie but he deserves it for The Big Lebowski.
 
2010-02-04 11:31:40 PM
They wouldnt have been nominated if the weren't animations. Over the top and terrible,terrible accent from whats-her-name.
 
2010-02-04 11:36:11 PM
Uh. . . no. I mean, it would be sad if they acted well, but they didn't act well enough to be nominated, CG or no CG.
 
2010-02-04 11:36:14 PM
I think it's only a matter of time before the Academy adds a Best Virtual Performance category. That would be the best compromise, imo.
 
2010-02-04 11:47:30 PM
The academy has made it quite clear (to my dismay) that motion capture 'doesn't count'.

Andy Serkis more than deserved a best supporting actor in LOTR but they wouldn't give him one because it was motion capture.
 
2010-02-04 11:49:17 PM
AiryAnne 2010-02-04 11:31:40 PM They wouldnt have been nominated if the weren't animations. Over the top and terrible,terrible accent from whats-her-name.
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You're judging that a woman's accent from a language that was entirely made up for the movie was bad?

You realize how stupid you sound?
 
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