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(Telegraph)   Virtually all Earth's soil will vanish within 60 years. Today's 'dirt poor' projected to be rich by 2050   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 264
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2010-02-03 09:57:09 PM
God i hate when they say stuff like this. It makes legitimate concerns about soil erosion and destructive farming habits hard to be taken seriously.
 
2010-02-03 10:30:02 PM
I don't know about the 60 years figure, but they're not wrong about the serious problem of soil erosion.

i575.photobucket.com
 
2010-02-03 10:33:34 PM
STOP PEAK SOIL
NO BLOOD FOR SOIL
 
2010-02-03 10:43:43 PM
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE WE'RE ALL GONNA DI-
 
2010-02-03 11:04:53 PM
i could type something in all caps but i actually have an interest in both agricultural mismanagement and ee cummings
 
2010-02-03 11:08:12 PM
If you follow the guidelines set by the USDA then it will be mulch ado about nothing.
 
2010-02-03 11:33:26 PM
hahahahahahahahahahaha... don't those morons know we'll all be dead from global warming before then?

Or was it the lost ozone layer?

Or lack of food?

Or rock n roll?
 
2010-02-03 11:46:10 PM
We'll nuke each other first.
 
2010-02-03 11:54:21 PM
NewportBarGuy: We'll nuke each other first.

Every single day I am that much closer to wanting to push The Button.
 
2010-02-04 12:01:02 AM
Soil erosion aka "soil change" is socialism's trojan horse. Scaremongers are running a propaganda campaign as a way to trick people. Soil erosion is the ideal scare campaign for those who are doing all they can to secure strict control over society, business, and the minutest details of individual life. Geologists and other so-called scientists have sold out to the media elites and U.N. globalists. It's all a hoax.
 
2010-02-04 12:09:32 AM
Bucky Katt: Soil erosion aka "soil change" is socialism's trojan horse. Scaremongers are running a propaganda campaign as a way to trick people. Soil erosion is the ideal scare campaign for those who are doing all they can to secure strict control over society, business, and the minutest details of individual life. Geologists and other so-called scientists have sold out to the media elites and U.N. globalists. It's all a hoax.

0/10. You have to change a couple of other words when you replace "climate change" with "soil erosion."
 
2010-02-04 12:16:56 AM
oldebayer: 0/10. You have to change a couple of other words when you replace "climate change" with "soil erosion."

Geologist doesn't count?
 
2010-02-04 12:27:27 AM
flisted.files.wordpress.com

Agrees
 
2010-02-04 12:47:20 AM
Dinki: God i hate when they say stuff like this. It makes legitimate concerns about soil erosion and destructive farming habits hard to be taken seriously.

THIS
there is NO way this retarded prediction will come true
zero (ok fine, really really small chance)

this is the NEW global warming PANIK
then we can do running out of OIL again
then repeat until someone beats them to death with bats
 
2010-02-04 12:49:14 AM
Whoever invented the phrase "dirt cheap" has obviously never tried to buy dirt- esp GOOD dirt.
 
2010-02-04 12:49:35 AM
real shaman: hahahahahahahahahahaha... don't those morons know we'll all be dead from global warming before then?

Or was it the lost ozone layer?

Or lack of food?

Or rock n roll?


rock n roll and dancing!
 
2010-02-04 12:50:50 AM
Fortunately, I know of a rich cache at my ex's house.
 
2010-02-04 12:51:07 AM
GAT_00: I don't know about the 60 years figure, but they're not wrong about the serious problem of soil erosion.

Is that soil erosion or depletion of the natural aquifer that is causing the land to lower itself? The same thing happened in Vegas in the early 1900s. The natural springs that served as a basis for water in what is now downtown Las Vegas was overused, and the land subsided 20-30' in the area (you can tell from where the old well heads were vs. them being up in the air now) and then the springs went dry.
 
2010-02-04 12:52:01 AM
well, i for one, cannot wait for 2050.
 
2010-02-04 12:53:27 AM
if we all pay "Soil Erosion" taxes will we be ok or will we all still die?

assuming that our Carbon Taxes help us survive "Global Warming", I mean.
 
2010-02-04 12:54:19 AM
namatad: Dinki: God i hate when they say stuff like this. It makes legitimate concerns about soil erosion and destructive farming habits hard to be taken seriously.

THIS
there is NO way this retarded prediction will come true
zero (ok fine, really really small chance)

this is the NEW global warming PANIK
then we can do running out of OIL again
then repeat until someone beats them to death with bats



img74.imageshack.us

If you're going to make statements like the one in bold, at least try to use the word because somewhere.
 
2010-02-04 12:54:35 AM
joelris: well, i for one, cannot wait for 2050.

I probably won't make it halfway from here to there. I'm taking my time.

Would like to see the first human v. robot World Cup, though.
 
2010-02-04 12:54:53 AM
Pfft. The world is going to end in 2012 when Jeesus brings the Mayan Calendar back. I don't see why they're getting all worked up over this.
 
2010-02-04 12:55:16 AM
BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA!!!
 
2010-02-04 12:56:37 AM
real shaman: hahahahahahahahahahaha... don't those morons know we'll all be dead from global warming before then?

Or was it the lost ozone layer?

Or lack of food?

Or rock n roller coaster....Aerosmith?


FTFY
 
2010-02-04 12:57:07 AM
25 years ago the oceans were supposed to be gone in 10 years. Ted Danson said so
 
2010-02-04 12:59:20 AM
Cue Naysayers of this article arguing this is a conspiracy, without any evidence, running only on everyone undeniable fear that this might be true, and an (unreasonable) hope that it isn't.
 
2010-02-04 01:00:07 AM
Apparently Chicken Little was a trend-setter.
 
2010-02-04 01:01:14 AM
This is the reason why some people are so against climate change. It's not because the wolf isn't there, it's just that the media has called the wolf a 50 foot high monstrosity that will kill us all. Taking an actual problem and exaggerating it's threats is a great way to get ratings in the short run and also a good way to get people to start calling bullshiat.

Yes the pollution/soil erosion/whatever is a problem and needs to be fixed, but it's not going to kill us all, at least within the foreseeable future.
 
2010-02-04 01:01:27 AM
Makh: If you follow the guidelines set by the USDA then it will be mulch ado about nothing.

Likely, (along with many other anti-erosion methods) but my god its like pulling teeth. So many cases of people ignoring the recommendations, guidelines, or even in some cases intentionally ignoring the regulations, and then being shocked, shocked I tell you that a decent portion of their property went downstream.
 
2010-02-04 01:01:34 AM
This is where global climate change will save us. Unfarmable lands will become farmable, and eroded lands will be put to rest.
 
2010-02-04 01:03:26 AM
miund.files.wordpress.com approves
 
2010-02-04 01:04:07 AM
ThematicDevice: Likely, (along with many other anti-erosion methods) but my god its like pulling teeth. So many cases of people ignoring the recommendations, guidelines, or even in some cases intentionally ignoring the regulations, and then being shocked, shocked I tell you that a decent portion of their property went downstream.

I remember a guy criticizing no-tell land during a dry spring, because "the field is like cement, and the seeds can't break through."
 
2010-02-04 01:05:02 AM
img706.imageshack.us
(from Here )
 
2010-02-04 01:05:04 AM
GAT_00: I don't know about the 60 years figure, but they're not wrong about the serious problem of soil erosion.

why would they drive utility poles so far into the ground in 1925?

I would think that having the wires running only a few feet off of the ground would be a hazard?

/lots of poles in that pic
 
2010-02-04 01:05:16 AM
All I can think about is combine this with water mismanagement and California is really, really screwed

Also, a waaaay better article on soil
(new window)
 
2010-02-04 01:06:05 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the fine folks promoting "Carbon Farming" may just have an agenda to push. But please, don't let that stop you from panicking for no good reason.
 
2010-02-04 01:07:49 AM
Isn't this pretty much solveable with countour farming? Are they just too lazy to practice this? Too costly?
 
2010-02-04 01:08:06 AM
LMFAO! I'll be dead by then! So the joke's on the younger generation!!!

Stay the hell off what's left of my barren lawn, ya bastages!
 
2010-02-04 01:11:25 AM
www.incadventures.com

A young couple look on in horror at the erosion caused by man's disregard for sensible soil conservation. They must be disgusted by the planet we will be leaving behind for our children.

/I have more than one relative who lived through the Dust Bowl. Soil conservation is taken very seriously here in the plains.
//The nuts in the article seem more concerned with fearmongering.
///I'm stocking up on slashie credits
 
2010-02-04 01:11:28 AM
TheMega: LMFAO! I'll be dead by then! So the joke's on the younger generation!!!

Stay the hell off what's left of my barren lawn, ya bastages!


Lulz this is why there is a Baby Boomer Death Clock (new window)
 
2010-02-04 01:12:36 AM
Damnhippyfreak: If you're going to make statements like the one in bold, at least try to use the word because somewhere.

wait, when did fark become a debate club?
I thought that it was required to break all the rules of formal debate
 
2010-02-04 01:13:17 AM
GAT_00: I don't know about the 60 years figure, but they're not wrong about the serious problem of soil erosion.

BS
 
2010-02-04 01:15:37 AM
brap: i could type something in all caps but i actually have an interest in both agricultural mismanagement and ee cummings

beautiful
 
2010-02-04 01:16:27 AM
oldebayer: joelris: well, i for one, cannot wait for 2050.

I probably won't make it halfway from here to there. I'm taking my time.

Would like to see the first human v. robot World Cup, though.


*checks savings balance for $7,000 sex robot*

Sucks for you. You're totally gonna miss out.
 
2010-02-04 01:17:27 AM
impaler: This is where global climate change will save us. Unfarmable lands will become farmable, and eroded lands will be put to rest.

Four quick points. First is that one of the points brought up in TFA is that agriculturally-suitable soils tend to take time to build up. If some of the more destructive agricultural techniques are maintained, simply shifting agriculture towards the poles does not suddenly create suitable soil in 'newer' areas.

Second is that while soils are important, it is of course by no means the only factor that affects agricultural productivity - precipitation comes to mind, and would be affected by climate change.

Third, what you're talking about in no way solves the root problem, but simply postpones having to deal with it.

Fourth, if we take TFA at face value, there's a notable scale mismatch, both spatially and temporally, in what could be gained from climate change and what is being lost in terms of soil.
 
2010-02-04 01:18:20 AM
Britain facing food crisis as world's soil 'vanishes in 60 years'
British farming soil could run out within 60 years, leading to a catastrophic food crisis and drastically higher prices for consumers, scientists warn.


The headline and sub from TFA. Because Britain = the world.

/not
 
2010-02-04 01:18:35 AM
www.cs.uni.edu

"Hydroponics."
 
2010-02-04 01:18:55 AM
I don't know about the 60 years figure, but they're not wrong about the serious problem of soil erosion.

That is total bullshiat, isn't it? It would take that long to move all that dirt with bulldozers, much less likely some natural process.
 
2010-02-04 01:18:56 AM
Good Behavior Day: A young couple look on in horror at the erosion caused by man's disregard for sensible soil conservation. They must be disgusted by the planet we will be leaving behind for our children.

/I have more than one relative who lived through the Dust Bowl. Soil conservation is taken very seriously here in the plains.
//The nuts in the article seem more concerned with fearmongering.
///I'm stocking up on slashie credits


This is almost IDENTICAL to the H1N1 problem. It posed a significant threat this year (in fact, if you are under-65, you were almost three times as likely to die from the flu this year). But articles liked to focus on the extremes of the prediction curves.

Thankfully, people who live in the plains have a longer memory for soil erosion than most people have regarding diseases for which we vaccinate.
 
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