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(AP)   Missouri's Chief Justice says lawmakers need to stop jailing so many drug offenders. He said this during a joint session, of course   (hosted.ap.org) divider line 100
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2010-02-03 07:48:49 PM
Because that's how he rolls.
 
2010-02-03 08:40:44 PM
That's methed up.
 
2010-02-03 09:20:47 PM
Non-violent drug offenders shouldn't be in prison.
 
2010-02-03 09:21:38 PM
25 lashes out in public should be more than enough to punish the perp and discourage further activity. We've let the PC brigade too long undermine undermine our society by condoning this behavior and coddling offenders.
 
2010-02-03 09:22:23 PM
Because no one notices Missouri (told you I'd say it in the next thread), I was shocked that no one noticed when our SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE turned out to be a BDSM rapist.

Yeah, that's right. Speaker of the House. BDSM rapist. Kind of makes Larry Craig / John Edwards seem a little tame, huh?
 
2010-02-03 09:24:04 PM
...ironically, Duh Magazine™ also has an editorial on this very subject!
 
2010-02-03 09:24:56 PM
Drugs are illegal. If you don't like the law, change it. Until then criminals belong in jail.
 
2010-02-03 09:25:15 PM
destitute college kid: Because no one notices Missouri (told you I'd say it in the next thread), I was shocked that no one noticed when our SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE turned out to be a BDSM rapist.

Yeah, that's right. Speaker of the House. BDSM rapist. Kind of makes Larry Craig / John Edwards seem a little tame, huh?


Was he the green balloon guy?
 
2010-02-03 09:25:52 PM
Chris P. Bacon: Drugs are illegal. If you don't like the law, change it. Until then criminals belong in jail.

DURR HURR
 
2010-02-03 09:26:01 PM
Also, his name was "Rod Jetton," which makes it even more amazing that it wasn't all over Fark.
 
2010-02-03 09:26:05 PM
Finally. Common sense and jurisprudence collide. In Missouri.

What are odds?
 
2010-02-03 09:26:50 PM
CaesarSneezy: Was he the green balloon guy?

Yep. Good recall.
 
2010-02-03 09:27:09 PM
Logic be damned, politicians will never want to appear soft on crime, and people clamoring for tax cuts will continue to clamor simultaneously for imprisoning people who do things they deem immoral, even if it's at a tremendous expense.
 
2010-02-03 09:28:15 PM
destitute college kid: Because no one notices Missouri (told you I'd say it in the next thread), I was shocked that no one noticed when our SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE turned out to be a BDSM rapist.

Yeah, that's right. Speaker of the House. BDSM rapist. Kind of makes Larry Craig / John Edwards seem a little tame, huh?


Oh, I noticed. To be fair, I think I heard about it from Dan Savage first.
 
2010-02-03 09:29:01 PM
. . . and some Funyuns man . . .

doctorwendigo.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-02-03 09:29:30 PM
Chris P. Bacon: Drugs are illegal. If you don't like the law, change it. Until then criminals belong in jail.

Yes! Anyone caught speeding (actually, this is okay), littering, jaywalking, installing bathtubs with animal shaped legs, frightening babies, dancing, running while delivering milk, owning PVC pipe or holding yard sales should go to jail!

/thanks for trolling. If you hadn't I would never have found out about that state's weird laws!
 
2010-02-03 09:29:34 PM
CaesarSneezy: destitute college kid: Because no one notices Missouri (told you I'd say it in the next thread), I was shocked that no one noticed when our SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE turned out to be a BDSM rapist.

Yeah, that's right. Speaker of the House. BDSM rapist. Kind of makes Larry Craig / John Edwards seem a little tame, huh?

Was he the green balloon guy?


And IIRC, didn't he drug her first?

Upstanding guy.

/but Clinton!
 
2010-02-03 09:29:45 PM

"The problem is that we are following a broken strategy of cramming inmates into prisons and not providing the type of drug treatment and job training that is necessary to break their cycle of crime," Price said. "


Job training won't help much if no one is going to hire an ex-con to begin with. I'm not saying drug offenders should skate because they did commit a crime. But with more companies doing background checks they get nervous if they see you have any kind of criminal record. But if you've served time then you can scratch a lot of jobs from your list.


In the first place I've always hated how jobs do credit and criminal background checks. Your personal life shouldn't be an open book.

 
2010-02-03 09:30:29 PM
destitute college kid: Because no one notices Missouri (told you I'd say it in the next thread), I was shocked that no one noticed when our SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE turned out to be a BDSM rapist.

Yeah, that's right. Speaker of the House. BDSM rapist. Kind of makes Larry Craig / John Edwards seem a little tame, huh?


Wait, do you consider anyone into BDSM a rapist, or are you being literal?
 
2010-02-03 09:32:52 PM
skinink: In the first place I've always hated how jobs do credit and criminal background checks. Your personal life shouldn't be an open book.

Is it kind of sad that credit checks are becoming commonplace enough that responding to a Craigslist job postings I get back a BS "we're going to give you a company credit card if you get this job so go to this website of this company we're affiliated with to fill out your personal information so we can run a 'credit check' with your information" auto-reply on a regular basis?

I also love that it's in the auto reply to a seemingly legit job, so I can't just flag the bastards immediately and they probably catch a few desperate (and kind of dim) people in the process...
 
2010-02-03 09:33:00 PM
xuanzhiyouxuan: Wait, do you consider anyone into BDSM a rapist, or are you being literal?

Judge for yourself. (new window)
 
2010-02-03 09:34:24 PM
xuanzhiyouxuan: destitute college kid: Because no one notices Missouri (told you I'd say it in the next thread), I was shocked that no one noticed when our SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE turned out to be a BDSM rapist.

Yeah, that's right. Speaker of the House. BDSM rapist. Kind of makes Larry Craig / John Edwards seem a little tame, huh?

Wait, do you consider anyone into BDSM a rapist, or are you being literal?


Literal!

eff it, it's a good enough story to cut and paste from Wiki:

On December 7, 2009, Jetton was charged with felony assault related to an incident that occurred on November 15, 2009 in which Jetton allegedly "recklessly caused serious physical injury" to an unnamed woman.[7][8][9]

According to the complaint Jetton met the woman, with whom he had not had a relationship before, to have sadomasochistic sex. He is accused of "hitting her on the head and choking her, resulting in unconsciousness and the loss of the function of a part of her body" during the encounter November 15 and 16, 2009, in Sikeston, Missouri. The two had according to the complaint agreed to use a safeword of "green balloons." Jetton is accused of telling the woman the following morning, "You should have said 'green balloons.'" The woman said that she began 'fading' in and out and remembered losing consciousness several times" after drinking a glass of wine that Jetton had prepared for her. [5]

He had continued his consulting career Rod Jetton & Associates after leaving office, which catered to many high-profile clients, including Mitt Romney.[10] However, following the charges Jetton said he will close the business before the end of 2009.[11]
 
2010-02-03 09:36:19 PM
marijuana cigarettes are often called joints and this judge said what he said during a "joint" session. i don't know if anyone else caught that.
 
2010-02-03 09:36:49 PM
xuanzhiyouxuan: destitute college kid: Because no one notices Missouri (told you I'd say it in the next thread), I was shocked that no one noticed when our SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE turned out to be a BDSM rapist.

Yeah, that's right. Speaker of the House. BDSM rapist. Kind of makes Larry Craig / John Edwards seem a little tame, huh?

Wait, do you consider anyone into BDSM a rapist, or are you being literal?


no he really choked a biatch.
 
2010-02-03 09:36:58 PM
destitute college kid: xuanzhiyouxuan: Wait, do you consider anyone into BDSM a rapist, or are you being literal?

Judge for yourself. (new window)


Disturbing.
 
2010-02-03 09:38:09 PM
Would be nice to see weed legalized but I think big alcohol lobbies politicians against it as to not let it cut into their profits.

/tinfoil hat.
 
2010-02-03 09:42:43 PM
WaltzingMathilda: marijuana cigarettes are often called joints and this judge said what he said during a "joint" session. i don't know if anyone else caught that.

No! Your kidding right?!
 
2010-02-03 09:45:40 PM
runningscared: Would be nice to see weed legalized but I think big alcohol lobbies politicians against it as to not let it cut into their profits.

/tinfoil hat.


I really don't think you need to be wearing a tinfoil hat based on that statement alone. You forgot to include big pharma and tobacco companies though.
 
2010-02-03 09:46:18 PM
I love how all the stoners, lowlifes, and vagrants come out in force to point out how these are non-violent offenses, while completely ignoring the possibility of a severe societal impact though action without violence.
 
2010-02-03 09:46:45 PM
Meh, legalize it, tax it, solve the budget problems.

Just gotta figure out some kinda fast field test (as simple as the breathalyzer) to test for DUI of ___________.

I guess I'm becoming more Libertarian than Conservative.
 
2010-02-03 09:48:39 PM
FTFA Price told a joint legislative session during his State of the Judiciary speech that Missouri officials have spent years to get tough on crime by putting more people in prison and that the state has spent billions of dollars while crime has not been reduced.

My inner libertarian in my is singing with joy.
 
2010-02-03 09:49:20 PM
Doppleganger871:
Just gotta figure out some kinda fast field test (as simple as the breathalyzer) to test for DUI of ___________.


Wave a bag of Doritos in front of them and ask "Do you want these"
If they go "man, yeeaaahhhhh" then you arrest them.
 
2010-02-03 09:51:36 PM
Ego edo infantia cattus: WaltzingMathilda: marijuana cigarettes are often called joints and this judge said what he said during a "joint" session. i don't know if anyone else caught that.

No! Your kidding right?!


i'm serious. nothing is funnier than that connection. i doubt subby meant it, because if he did, man that would make him an even greater comedic genius than ... well, anyone. so, let's revel in the awesomeness that is that shocking coincidence instead.
 
2010-02-03 09:52:05 PM
ScottHimself: I love how all the stoners, lowlifes, and vagrants come out in force to point out how these are non-violent offenses, while completely ignoring the possibility of a severe societal impact though action without violence.

Well? Tell us all about it. I'm waiting.
 
2010-02-03 09:54:05 PM
WaltzingMathilda: marijuana cigarettes are often called joints and this judge said what he said during a "joint" session. i don't know if anyone else caught that.

Have you ever had a joint session...
...ON WEED?

/off to score some Funyuns.
 
2010-02-03 09:55:29 PM
People who think bud should be illegal are the biggest hyporcrites in the world. Watch as I get shiat faced on liquor while calling smokers "vagrants".
 
2010-02-03 09:56:01 PM
CaesarSneezy: ScottHimself: I love how all the stoners, lowlifes, and vagrants come out in force to point out how these are non-violent offenses, while completely ignoring the possibility of a severe societal impact though action without violence.

Well? Tell us all about it. I'm waiting.


I think he's referring to people having fun and getting laid. Puritans find this very offensive, the way a normal person might recoil from genocide or reality TV.
 
2010-02-03 09:58:02 PM
The War on Drugs is not a farking joke, subtard.

Wanna know why marijuana is still illegal? That "Hee hee, look at the silly stoners" attitude the media displays towards anything drug war-related.
 
2010-02-03 09:59:07 PM
NPR had a related and very depressing series (new window) a couple of weeks ago talking about non-violent offenders who couldn't make bail. Those people alone cost the taxpayers $9 billion a year - with a lot of them unable to round up pitiful amounts of money (think like $150) for bail. These are people who haven't even had their case heard yet, but they are stuck in jail, because they couldn't make bail.

People who can't make bail can't get/work at jobs and show they aren't career criminals, so they end up with longer jail sentences whereas someone who could of made bail ended up with probation.

Which then costs us more in taxes to keep them housed while they serve their sentence.

/end result - bail bondsmen are probably the devil
//and judges who grant bail figuring that the defendant will pay a bail bondsman and only have to pay 10% of the assigned bail
///this judge is right
 
2010-02-03 09:59:11 PM
inkblot: The War on Drugs is not a farking joke, subtard.

Wanna know why marijuana is still illegal? That "Hee hee, look at the silly stoners" attitude the media displays towards anything drug war-related.


This.
 
2010-02-03 10:00:10 PM
skinink: "The problem is that we are following a broken strategy of cramming inmates into prisons and not providing the type of drug treatment and job training that is necessary to break their cycle of crime," Price said. "
Job training won't help much if no one is going to hire an ex-con to begin with.


Of course people do hire "ex-cons" but given all other things being equal or nearly so I can't blame them for avoiding those convicted of crimes and being even more discriminating if those crimes are violent.

I'm not saying drug offenders should skate because they did commit a crime.

I will say that though.

But with more companies doing background checks they get nervous if they see you have any kind of criminal record. But if you've served time then you can scratch a lot of jobs from your list.
In the first place I've always hated how jobs do credit and criminal background checks. Your personal life shouldn't be an open book.


If you don't pay your bills it is an indication that you just may not be very responsible.

I don't particularly like being investigated like that for a job but if I find it too much I'll just look for work elsewhere.

Back in the good old days I once had a job offer in which I was told they would waive the pre-employment piss test. I hadn't asked them anything about it and was prepared to "study" for it if need be, but I ended up taking a different offer with no test for anyone

.
 
2010-02-03 10:02:23 PM
sunbird: CaesarSneezy: ScottHimself: I love how all the stoners, lowlifes, and vagrants come out in force to point out how these are non-violent offenses, while completely ignoring the possibility of a severe societal impact though action without violence.

Well? Tell us all about it. I'm waiting.

I think he's referring to people having fun and getting laid. Puritans find this very offensive, the way a normal person might recoil from genocide or reality TV.


What I don't get is the disconnect between right-wingers talking about rugged individualism, then turning around and suddenly talking about some debt to society that everyone owes, where decorum and conformity should be enforced by law. It's really bizarre, especially considering most of the ones I've talked to truly seem to believe both points.
 
2010-02-03 10:02:26 PM
inkblot: The War on Drugs is not a farking joke, subtard.

Wanna know why marijuana is still illegal? That "Hee hee, look at the silly stoners" attitude the media displays towards anything drug war-related.


It then leaks into the populace and emerges in the form of constant, predictable lame-ass jokes about doritos.
 
2010-02-03 10:02:27 PM
inkblot: The War on Drugs is not a farking joke, subtard.

Wanna know why marijuana is still illegal? That "Hee hee, look at the silly stoners" attitude the media displays towards anything drug war-related.


Well, to be fair, a majority of stoners are pretty silly. They buy magazines featuring pictures of "dank buds, brah" and have whackadoo conspiracy theories about the role of corporations within our government.
 
2010-02-03 10:03:51 PM
ScottHimself: I love how all the stoners, lowlifes, and vagrants come out in force to point out how these are non-violent offenses, while completely ignoring the possibility of a severe societal impact though action without violence.

Go lay down by your dish...
 
2010-02-03 10:04:35 PM
WaltzingMathilda: inkblot: The War on Drugs is not a farking joke, subtard.

Wanna know why marijuana is still illegal? That "Hee hee, look at the silly stoners" attitude the media displays towards anything drug war-related.

Well, to be fair, a majority of stoners are pretty silly. They buy magazines featuring pictures of "dank buds, brah" and have whackadoo conspiracy theories about the role of corporations within our government.


I know a lot of people that smoke weed, and while I have definitely met people like that, I don't know any.
 
2010-02-03 10:04:54 PM
WaltzingMathilda: marijuana cigarettes are often called joints and this judge said what he said during a "joint" session. i don't know if anyone else caught that.

images.starcraftmazter.net

/just wanted to use the pic.
 
2010-02-03 10:05:22 PM
Slam Bradley: NPR had a related and very depressing series (new window) a couple of weeks ago talking about non-violent offenders who couldn't make bail. Those people alone cost the taxpayers $9 billion a year - with a lot of them unable to round up pitiful amounts of money (think like $150) for bail. These are people who haven't even had their case heard yet, but they are stuck in jail, because they couldn't make bail.

People who can't make bail can't get/work at jobs and show they aren't career criminals, so they end up with longer jail sentences whereas someone who could of made bail ended up with probation.

Which then costs us more in taxes to keep them housed while they serve their sentence.

/end result - bail bondsmen are probably the devil
//and judges who grant bail figuring that the defendant will pay a bail bondsman and only have to pay 10% of the assigned bail
///this judge is right


That story was sad as all effing hell...
 
2010-02-03 10:06:35 PM
Mrtraveler01: WaltzingMathilda: marijuana cigarettes are often called joints and this judge said what he said during a "joint" session. i don't know if anyone else caught that.



/just wanted to use the pic.


I nearly spit out coffee on my monitor, so, um, well played.
 
2010-02-03 10:13:00 PM
Apparantly the mayor of Cottleville in conservative St. Charles County is proposing a referendum to petition the Missouri Legislature to legalize medical marijuana.

I'm not optimistic. I'm afraid that Cottleville and St. Charles County is too self-righteous to ever allow something like this.

/St. Charles resident
 
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