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2010-02-03 11:19:49 AM
Hey look Obama. This is what socialist attitudes lead to.
 
2010-02-03 11:24:25 AM
jehovahs witness protection: Hey look Obama. This is what socialist attitudes lead to.

This is what having a slightly retarded midget for a leader leads to.
 
2010-02-03 11:37:10 AM
"The leader has decreed that the recipe for Rock Soup must now contain one fewer rock."
 
2010-02-03 11:49:28 AM
jehovahs witness protection: Hey look Obama. This is what socialist attitudes lead to.

GAAHHHH! Health reform will force the government to dictate the cost of rice and other goods therefore destroying the US economy and life as we know it. GAAAAAHHHHH!

/shut up, nitwit.
 
2010-02-03 12:22:17 PM
jehovahs witness protection: Hey look Obama. This is what socialist attitudes lead to.

Jesus Christ, you're unbelievable.

And as for North Korea, it's mindmubing just what a complete clusterfark that entire nation has become. One has to wonder when the revolution will begin.
 
2010-02-03 12:34:57 PM
How can Kim Jung Il fail this hard? There has to be some human limit.
How has no one farked stabbed him in the back or anything?
 
2010-02-03 12:42:21 PM
Barakku: How can Kim Jung Il fail this hard? There has to be some human limit.
How has no one farked stabbed him in the back or anything?


I really hate to say this, but it seems as though the majority of people there are hardly people at all. Simply shells of human beings.

I mean, they are raised their whole lives knowing nothing else, so what would they fight for? What cause?
 
2010-02-03 12:54:35 PM
Starving, and worse yet watching your family starve, is a primary source of revolt. Either they will revolt against the government, or in a worse-case scenario, charge into S. Korea. It would take less than a week for millions of N. Koreans to over-run S. Korea. Something must be done to help these people before a major war breaks out.
 
2010-02-03 01:02:42 PM
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2010-02-03 01:13:38 PM
Why doesn't Kim Jong Il just go on the PGA Tour? Supposedly the dude shoots in the high 30's on an 18-hole championship course.

Unless...North Korean propagandists might be fibbing? The more I think of it I bet he can't dunk from the top of the key, either.
 
2010-02-03 01:15:05 PM
Sounds like that place is ripe for a revolution.

Kim Jong Il may soon learn the lesson that many other politicians in the past have learned: It's the economy, stupid.

Obama had better watch it, he's next.
 
2010-02-03 01:16:37 PM
North Korea is the only Middle Age country to possess nuclear weapons.
 
2010-02-03 01:19:03 PM
I Said: I mean, they are raised their whole lives knowing nothing else, so what would they fight for? What cause?

Exactly. We expect a revolution, because we can see the rest of the world. Nobody in North Korea can see outside. All they know, all they can know, is what they see. And they can't organize because the government controls all media and listens to everyone. The USSR fell due to people being able to see what life was like in the West. That's what makes people rise up, not misery. Human beings are infinitely adaptable to even the worst conditions. But if they can see someone who is better off, they want that life. The people of North Korea can't see anyone else.
 
2010-02-03 01:37:01 PM
People had just one week to trade in their money for new notes, and they were given a limit: Each family could exchange 100,000 old won for 1,000 new won, the equivalent of less than $30.

Any cash in excess of the limit would become invalid -- meaning life savings were being wiped out with the stroke of a pen.


nice one
did this rule hold true for the elite who have their money in foreign currency? and have large ammounts of old-wons?

I would bet, not so much.

After the 1990s, when food distribution collapsed and as many as 2 million people died as a result, North Koreans began buying food privately from vendors who sold homegrown produce on the streets and at covered bazaars. By last year, the regime had rolled back many of the liberal reforms, tightening the hours of the markets and the types of Chinese goods available.


china used to have food problems too, until they allowed farmers to profit for proceeds above a given quota.
BOOM, china fixed its food problems over night

tnpir:
And as for North Korea, it's mindmubing just what a complete clusterfark that entire nation has become. One has to wonder when the revolution will begin.


become? no, it always was a farked up country. in the beginning it was supported by china and russia (somewhat)
once that support was reduced it became a kleptocracy/monarchy.
you can call yourself communist, but a country where the ruling family is passed down, father to son, that is pretty much the definition of monarchy

revolution? yah, they have been brain-washed so long, that they are committing suicide, rather than revolting.
plus, and this will come as a SHOCK to people everywhere, privately owned guns probably get you the death penalty

/strange that the military doesnt take over. want to guess who gets TONS of bribes/pay/food??
 
2010-02-03 01:38:03 PM
Uh...pretty bad ad placement along side the article...yeesh!
 
rmz
2010-02-03 01:42:00 PM
Mr. Coffee Nerves: Why doesn't Kim Jong Il just go on the PGA Tour? Supposedly the dude shoots in the high 30's on an 18-hole championship course.

Unless...North Korean propagandists might be fibbing? The more I think of it I bet he can't dunk from the top of the key, either.


Careful, he's an "internet expert" according to Wikipedia. He might be watching us...right...

...now.
 
2010-02-03 01:43:40 PM
Has anybody read Taylor Caldwell's Devil's Advocate? Cause this story reminds me very strongly of that book.
 
2010-02-03 01:46:32 PM
Ol' Hokie: Starving, and worse yet watching your family starve, is a primary source of revolt


they revolted last year when this policy was started... the North Korean military put the kibosh on that.
 
2010-02-03 01:49:48 PM
that's what communism does to your country - starvation, chaos and a lot of lunacy.
 
2010-02-03 02:36:57 PM
I am constantly amazed at the stranglehold the Kim family has on that country. They really took totalitarianism to a whole new level. Hitler and Stalin had nothing on the Kims.
 
2010-02-03 02:59:32 PM
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2010-02-03 03:34:45 PM
Barakku: How can Kim Jung Il fail this hard? There has to be some human limit.
How has no one farked stabbed him in the back or anything?


Even the worst dictatorship has to have support from a significant percentage of the population. In the case of North Korea, Kim Jong Il has done a good job of convincing enough people that their problems are caused by evil, oppressing, global capitalism, and that he's doing what he can to help them. For a more in-depth explanation, google "Democratic party platform."
 
2010-02-03 03:46:32 PM
We should start dropping food supplies directly to the people, regardless of what their so-called leaders say.
 
2010-02-03 03:47:06 PM
At the heart of the turmoil is a series of dictates imposed late last year by Kim Jong Il's regime: revaluing the currency, closing down privately run markets in favor of state-owned shops and banning the use of foreign currency and the sale of many imports from China.
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I'm no economist, but this seems very stupid to me. Unless you're trying to stamp out all capitalism, and replace it with an iron boot to your starving and broke masses.
 
2010-02-03 03:47:31 PM
Why isn't anyone telling it how it really is? This is just a lack of bootstrappiness on the part of North Koreans.
 
2010-02-03 03:47:32 PM
tnpir: jehovahs witness protection: Hey look Obama. This is what socialist attitudes lead to.

Jesus Christ, you're unbelievable.

And as for North Korea, it's mindmubing just what a complete clusterfark that entire nation has become. One has to wonder when the revolution will begin.


Probably never, they're brainwashed enough as it is.
 
2010-02-03 03:47:47 PM
Now thats a country I wish we'd liberate. *sigh*
 
2010-02-03 03:48:24 PM
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2010-02-03 03:48:37 PM
ScubaDude1960: Barakku: How can Kim Jung Il fail this hard? There has to be some human limit.
How has no one farked stabbed him in the back or anything?

Even the worst dictatorship has to have support from a significant percentage of the population. In the case of North Korea, Kim Jong Il has done a good job of convincing enough people that their problems are caused by evil, oppressing, global capitalism, and that he's doing what he can to help them. For a more in-depth explanation, google "Democratic party platform."


I lol'd irl.
 
GOB
2010-02-03 03:48:53 PM
namatad:
china used to have food problems too, until they allowed farmers to profit for proceeds above a given quota.
BOOM, china fixed its food problems over night


... and everyone lived happily ever after. The End.
 
2010-02-03 03:48:57 PM
Ol' Hokie: Starving, and worse yet watching your family starve, is a primary source of revolt. Either they will revolt against the government, or in a worse-case scenario, charge into S. Korea. It would take less than a week for millions of N. Koreans to over-run S. Korea. Something must be done to help these people before a major war breaks out.

/If they decided to run through the dmz en mass, there is little, if anything our troops could do to stop them. Not sure exactly how many men we have over there on the line, but not enough to stop a charge of millions of people.
 
2010-02-03 03:49:01 PM
Bit'O'Gristle: At the heart of the turmoil is a series of dictates imposed late last year by Kim Jong Il's regime: revaluing the currency, closing down privately run markets in favor of state-owned shops and banning the use of foreign currency and the sale of many imports from China.
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I'm no economist, but this seems very stupid to me. Unless you're trying to stamp out all capitalism, and replace it with an iron boot to your starving and broke masses.


It makes sense if you're a Stalinist reminiscing about 1931 Russia.
 
2010-02-03 03:49:21 PM
DO NOT WON
 
2010-02-03 03:49:32 PM
Barakku: How can Kim Jung Il fail this hard? There has to be some human limit.
How has no one farked stabbed him in the back or anything?


History has taught us that there is no human limit. As long as it is incremental and well managed, you can systematically destroy a people up to and including genocide.
 
2010-02-03 03:50:08 PM
PPL_Wannabe: North Korea is the only Middle Age Bronze Age country to possess nuclear weapons.

FTFY. Kim Jong Il has his people revere him as a god. On the day of his birth, upon the top of a sacred mountain, there was an eclipse and a goat was born with two heads or somesuch.
 
2010-02-03 03:52:08 PM
YOu'd think the people would just get tired of it and figure dying while overthrowing him was worth the risk.

Guess not.
 
2010-02-03 03:52:25 PM
I Said: I really hate to say this, but it seems as though the majority of people there are hardly people at all. Simply shells of human beings.

Sooo... just another Oriental? When we're done bombing the brown people back to the stone age, the yellow people better look out, 'cause they're next.
 
2010-02-03 03:52:50 PM
I always wonder how many people in North Korea (or any oppressive regime) buy into the bullsh*t. If there are any true-believers outside of the Party, or if everyone at least suspects what the rest of the world is like but are just too tired, poor, hungry and scared to do a damn thing about it.

Either possibility is equally depressing, I think. On one hand, the level of ignorance and brainwashing needed to follow along is just a sad thing to think of, but so is knowing exactly what is happening around you but being powerless against it.

Either way, you're starving.
 
2010-02-03 03:52:55 PM
The simple solution to this problem is to stop breeding. Rather than a genocide action dwindle the population down to zero the humane way. The longer they breed the longer this will continue.
 
2010-02-03 03:54:29 PM
GAT_00: I Said: I mean, they are raised their whole lives knowing nothing else, so what would they fight for? What cause?

Exactly. We expect a revolution, because we can see the rest of the world. Nobody in North Korea can see outside. All they know, all they can know, is what they see. And they can't organize because the government controls all media and listens to everyone. The USSR fell due to people being able to see what life was like in the West. That's what makes people rise up, not misery. Human beings are infinitely adaptable to even the worst conditions. But if they can see someone who is better off, they want that life. The people of North Korea can't see anyone else.


So youre saying that no revolution has ever overthrown a totalitarian government before the news told them there were better places? Not USSR the first time? Not France? Not US? etc etc. So by this, we should have taken the taxes ol George III was making us pay and liked it. Got it
 
2010-02-03 03:54:49 PM
I Said: jehovahs witness protection: Hey look Obama. This is what socialist attitudes lead to.

GAAHHHH! Health reform will force the government to dictate the cost of rice and other goods therefore destroying the US economy and life as we know it. GAAAAAHHHHH!

/shut up, nitwit.


Government control of anything leads to either higher prices or shortages.
 
2010-02-03 03:54:49 PM
The simple solution to this problem is to stop breathing. Rather than a genocide action dwindle the population down to zero the humane way. The longer they breathe the longer this will continue.
 
2010-02-03 03:55:13 PM
ihatedumbpeople: YOu'd think the people would just get tired of it and figure dying while overthrowing him was worth the risk.

Guess not.


Except, of course, they've been brainwashed into believing that their leader is actually a god or has the power of god on his side.
 
Ant
2010-02-03 03:55:13 PM
GAT_00: Human beings are infinitely adaptable to even the worst conditions. But if they can see someone who is better off, they want that life. The people of North Korea can't see anyone else.

Very well put. Extremely depressing, but well put.
 
2010-02-03 03:55:13 PM
Ol' Hokie: It would take less than a week for millions of N. Koreans to over-run S. Korea. Something must be done to help these people before a major war breaks out.

The C.I.A has named this worst case scenario as operation Zerg Rush.
 
2010-02-03 03:55:20 PM
Well, at least there's ONE Asian country that corporate america can't offshore our jobs to.
 
2010-02-03 03:55:51 PM
Bit'O'Gristle: Ol' Hokie: Starving, and worse yet watching your family starve, is a primary source of revolt. Either they will revolt against the government, or in a worse-case scenario, charge into S. Korea. It would take less than a week for millions of N. Koreans to over-run S. Korea. Something must be done to help these people before a major war breaks out.

/If they decided to run through the dmz en mass, there is little, if anything our troops could do to stop them. Not sure exactly how many men we have over there on the line, but not enough to stop a charge of millions of people.


Well, you never know how many the landmines will take out. I'm sure that KJI will be having his own people gunned down en masse rather than let them flee the country.

However, I'm not entirely sure how likely that is: Information does not travel well in NC. It's rural, impoverished, and only those directly in the government in high enough positions have access to telecommunications, regular food, electricity, running water, etc.

Keep the population stupid and poor, and you can step on them all you like. They'll never know if there's others who hate being stepped on in other parts of the country, because they never have a way to talk to them. Information is the enemy of horrid dictatorships like this, so they fight to make sure people only know what The Dear Leader wishes for them to know.

Also: Make sure that your military is fed better than your base population.
 
2010-02-03 03:55:51 PM
Where did anyone get the idea that North Korea is a socialist country?
 
2010-02-03 03:55:55 PM
GoodOmens: I Said: jehovahs witness protection: Hey look Obama. This is what socialist attitudes lead to.

GAAHHHH! Health reform will force the government to dictate the cost of rice and other goods therefore destroying the US economy and life as we know it. GAAAAAHHHHH!

/shut up, nitwit.

Government control of anything leads to either higher prices or shortages.


[citation needed]
 
2010-02-03 03:56:35 PM
swahnhennessy: I always wonder how many people in North Korea (or any oppressive regime) buy into the bullsh*t. If there are any true-believers outside of the Party, or if everyone at least suspects what the rest of the world is like but are just too tired, poor, hungry and scared to do a damn thing about it.

Either possibility is equally depressing, I think. On one hand, the level of ignorance and brainwashing needed to follow along is just a sad thing to think of, but so is knowing exactly what is happening around you but being powerless against it.

Either way, you're starving.


Well if your choice is to either starve or become part of the party what do you do?
 
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