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(Some Guy)   Lawmaker wants to ban ex-felons from holding elected office. Because elected seats should only be for the noble and trustworthy   (columbiamissourian.com) divider line 110
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2010-02-02 12:37:20 PM
Ex-felon?
Once you're convicted, aren't you just "a felon" and that's that?

Or is he wanting to ban people who get convictions overturned?
 
2010-02-02 01:00:23 PM
"Ironic" tag?

Quick, someone tell me why it would be inappropriately applied here.
 
2010-02-02 01:01:21 PM
Does not approve.

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2010-02-02 01:01:24 PM
Whose leg...: "Ironic" tag?

Quick, someone tell me why it would be inappropriately applied here.


Because it's like a black fly in your chardonnay.
 
2010-02-02 01:01:46 PM
They wait until Ted Kennedy passes to bring this up.
 
2010-02-02 01:02:09 PM
Whose leg...: "Ironic" tag?

Quick, someone tell me why it would be inappropriately applied here.


Oh! Oh! Me! Memememememememe!

Um, okay ... is it because, uh, elected officials are ex-felony, untrustworthy serfs?

/I see what I did there
 
2010-02-02 01:03:05 PM
If the glove don't fit, you must deny civil service!
 
2010-02-02 01:03:08 PM
Well, we can be sure if it's ever put to a vote of elected officials, it'd fail spectacularly. Now if a felony conviction were required, on the other hand...
 
2010-02-02 01:03:23 PM
Why did I read that as ex-leper??

Besides, letting an ex-felon hold office simply means they'll be better at it. Takes one....
 
2010-02-02 01:03:33 PM
All politicians are thieves and liars so, vote democrat!
 
2010-02-02 01:04:10 PM
When it comes to term limits, I favor the "two-term" solution: One term in Congress---one term in prison.

\\\ aisle seat, please.
 
2010-02-02 01:04:45 PM
Wouldn't this eliminate at least 30% of the current members of Congress?
 
2010-02-02 01:05:28 PM
Nemo's Brother: They wait until Ted Kennedy passes to bring this up.
To be a felon you must be convicted.

Seriously though, if someone did something bad enough to relieve him of constitutional rights, leave him in prison. Just stop it.
 
2010-02-02 01:06:08 PM
Needless law. The public isn't likely to elect a felon. But even if they did, that would mean the public actually preferred a felon to the alternative. He'd have to be a really great candidate other than his felony record, or the alternative would have to truly suck ass. The public can be trusted to decide whether a felon should hold elected office.
 
2010-02-02 01:06:47 PM
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office
 
2010-02-02 01:07:38 PM
Protip: Become wealthy/powerful enough so that they can't convict you!
 
2010-02-02 01:08:02 PM
I think the voters can take care of that, if they don't want an ex-con in charge they will not vote for him. Preventing any person from holding officer under any criteria aside from lack of votes or citizenship leads to no good end.
 
2010-02-02 01:09:11 PM
lenfromak: Nemo's Brother: They wait until Ted Kennedy passes to bring this up.
To be a felon you must be convicted.

Seriously though, if someone did something bad enough to relieve him of constitutional rights, leave him in prison. Just stop it.


He did, but the laws don't apply to royalty.

/Seriously, do you think you would have had jail time for his crimes?
 
2010-02-02 01:13:48 PM
This is a preemptive law to get Obama out of the office by making him a felon for smoke the weed.
 
2010-02-02 01:14:06 PM
So if you were a felon:

You can't own a firearm
You can't vote (in many states)
and you can't run for office.

You literally have lost your ability to participate and have become a non-citizen.
 
2010-02-02 01:14:55 PM
So the 14 year olds who texted pictures of their bodies to each other shouldn't ever be allowed to hold public office?
 
2010-02-02 01:15:21 PM
I wonder if that would apply to former guests of the U.S.D.B. ? Well anyway, with the way we have been making almost anything and everything a felony these days there won't be anyone left except for a small handful of people who will be allowed to vote so I don't think it would matter either way. It's wrong but what are you gonna do.
 
2010-02-02 01:15:42 PM
TheWizard: So if you were a felon:

You can't own a firearm
You can't vote (in many states)
and you can't run for office.

You literally have lost your ability to participate and have become a non-citizen.


Which is why for most things after a period of time you can petition to have your record expunged and your rights restored.
 
2010-02-02 01:17:46 PM
MorphOSX: Which is why for most things after a period of time you can petition to have your record expunged and your rights restored.

What incentive would anyone ever have to grant that petition?

If the person becomes an upstanding member of society again, the person granting the petition receives no benefit.

If the person screws up and commits a crime, the person granting the petition is going to be publicly crucified and likely be unelectable.
 
2010-02-02 01:17:56 PM
Did a crime, then did the time? The slate should be clean and you should every right of every other citizen. Always a felon? Bullshiat.
Ever got a speeding ticket? Should SPEEDER be branded on your driver license forever?
 
2010-02-02 01:18:27 PM
Wait, does this law apply to sex scandals? We can still have those, right? You know, for teh lulz?
 
2010-02-02 01:18:44 PM
Say what you will, but felons have a proven track record of getting shiat done.


Did they serve their time? Did they complete their "rehabilitation?" Then have a Coke and a smile and shut the fark up.
 
2010-02-02 01:20:45 PM
susler: So the 14 year olds who texted pictures of their bodies to each other shouldn't ever be allowed to hold public office?

Since when is that a felony?
 
2010-02-02 01:22:23 PM
I trust an felons more than I trust politicians.

I mean, I wouldn't let either of them watch my kids, but at least the felon got caught and paid for their crimes. You know what you're getting.
 
2010-02-02 01:23:18 PM
TheWizard: So if you were a felon:

You can't own a firearm
You can't vote (in many states)
and you can't run for office.

You literally have lost your ability to participate and have become a non-citizen.


You have voluntarily given up your rights the second you chose to commit a felony.
 
2010-02-02 01:24:56 PM
charkocu: susler: So the 14 year olds who texted pictures of their bodies to each other shouldn't ever be allowed to hold public office?

Since when is that a felony?


Dude, just Google Sexting Charges Child Porn. You will find several cases of prosecutors charging 12, 13 and 14 year old kids with Felony counts of possession of Child Pornography and whatever else they could think of. It's total insanity.
 
2010-02-02 01:25:08 PM
doubled99: Did a crime, then did the time? The slate should be clean and you should every right of every other citizen. Always a felon? Bullshiat.
Ever got a speeding ticket? Should SPEEDER be branded on your driver license forever?


Speeding isn't a felony. Comparing speeding to rape, murder, grand theft and assault is a kick right in the victim's collective balls.
 
2010-02-02 01:26:05 PM
"Because elected seats should only be for the noble and trustworthy"

this is actually true, but hardly possible to accomplish. on the other hand, a felony conviction doesn't necessarily preclude nobility and honesty, e.g. smuggling.
 
2010-02-02 01:28:43 PM
TheWizard: MorphOSX: Which is why for most things after a period of time you can petition to have your record expunged and your rights restored.

What incentive would anyone ever have to grant that petition?

If the person becomes an upstanding member of society again, the person granting the petition receives no benefit.

If the person screws up and commits a crime, the person granting the petition is going to be publicly crucified and likely be unelectable.


I have known a couple of people who have gone through the process. In the states I've lived the judge can grant the order if after 12 years the offender has shown to be an upstanding member of society, and can present such as evidence. Why would there need to be any incentive to restore the rights of a person and expunge the record if the person can demonstrate true rehabilitation?

Besides, why punish those who truly made a mistake or were in the wrong place at the wrong time simply to save face for the one person who goes twelve years without repeating an offense, who gets his rights, and then does something stupid again?

Further, why should our justice system permanently institutionalize and penalize ANYONE who has committed a crime and has rehabilitated and become an honest member of society? For some offenses, if the person has gone X years without a repeat offense, the record should automatically expunge and restore rights. For more heinous crimes than, say, simple assault (guy gets into a bar fight, etc.), after a period of N years, the person can petition the court and demonstrate his rehabilitation in order to ask the court to expunge his record.

This is especially true in the case of these dumb laws regarding sex offenders that follow people the rest of their lives for, say, sleeping with their 17-year-old girlfriend or some other stupid nonsense.
 
2010-02-02 01:28:51 PM
R.A.Danny: You have voluntarily given up your rights the second you chose to commit a felony.

Being convicted of a felony and having ever actually committed a felony act aren't really the same thing.
 
2010-02-02 01:30:40 PM
JesseL: R.A.Danny: You have voluntarily given up your rights the second you chose to commit a felony.

Being convicted of a felony and having ever actually committed a felony act aren't really the same thing.


After all, how many members of congress commit acts that would be considered a felony if they weren't members of congress?
 
2010-02-02 01:31:13 PM
R.A.Danny 2010-02-02 01:25:08 PM

doubled99: Did a crime, then did the time? The slate should be clean and you should every right of every other citizen. Always a felon? Bullshiat.
Ever got a speeding ticket? Should SPEEDER be branded on your driver license forever?

Speeding isn't a felony. Comparing speeding to rape, murder, grand theft and assault is a kick right in the victim's collective balls.



All of those things are different in their own way. Speeding is dangerous, and could lead to accidents and death. Shouldn't we all be able to point out the ones who break the law, whatever it is? It's the same concept.
Hey, why don't we just imprison everyone who commits a felony for life no matter what. Hell, they aren't even human like the rest of us.
Idiot.
 
2010-02-02 01:31:49 PM
charkocu: susler: So the 14 year olds who texted pictures of their bodies to each other shouldn't ever be allowed to hold public office?

Since when is that a felony?


I believe it's called "Distribution of child pornography" and there have been a number of arrests for it. I don't know how many of them actually went on to full convictions though.
 
2010-02-02 01:32:10 PM
R.A.Danny: You have voluntarily given up your rights the second you chose to commit a felony


Another ridiculous comment.
 
2010-02-02 01:32:15 PM
HawgWild: Whose leg...: "Ironic" tag?

Quick, someone tell me why it would be inappropriately applied here.

Oh! Oh! Me! Memememememememe!

Um, okay ... is it because, uh, elected officials are ex-felony, untrustworthy serfs?

/I see what I did there



I don't usually get involved in the "Is this Irony" discussion. However:

Since Irony can mean "an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected", and because we would not usually expect our current batch of politicians to try to keep untrustworthy people from their ranks, this attempt is unexpected, and, therefore, Ironic.

/I know what Irony means
//It means made of stuff that looks like iron.
 
2010-02-02 01:34:11 PM
Non-evil Monkey: I think the voters can take care of that, if they don't want an ex-con in charge they will not vote for him. Preventing any person from holding officer under any criteria aside from lack of votes or citizenship leads to no good end.

Why can't the voters take care of the citizenship issue? If they don't want a non-citizen in charge they will not vote for him.
 
2010-02-02 01:34:55 PM
There are some good points on this thread, ironically great crooks sometimes make great politicians. There must be some skill overlap.

/And yeah prisoners are american citizens too, they are not trash to throw away. After the long timeout they should be expected to be productive members of the community, taxpayers instead of tax burdens.
 
2010-02-02 01:40:16 PM
A prohibition against current or former felons serving in elected office would limit the pool of candidates far too much.

/There would be tumbleweeds blowing in the halls of Congress. Why, you could probably throw a bottle of scotch without hitting a single senator.
 
2010-02-02 01:43:17 PM
We should allow this only if another law is passed that says that if an elected politician is convicted of any offence, he or she is immediately removed from his or her post and barred for life from ever running again for office.
 
2010-02-02 01:44:46 PM
No, public officials should first swear never to speak with lobbyists, and be treated to an old-fashioned pillory if they so much as talk to those smilin' jack types in expensive suits with a briefcase full of money.

When you realize that most of what hurts "the little guy" turns out to be due to easily corruptible pols "selling" legislation, you'll know that under the present system true democracy doesn't exist.

Think of those slimeballs that refused to vote for that law that would allow those contractors in Iraq to wriggle out from responsibility for the female employee being raped by their goons. That is happening constantly, but those pols just can't resist not helping their "buddies" that put them there or those buckets of sweet, sweet money.
 
2010-02-02 01:48:18 PM
Does he even understand what this would mean if passed? Campaigns would literally be played to DISQUALIFICATION. You wouldn't out-politic your opponent, you'd play the other side by process of elimination.

The aneurysm, it hurts.
 
2010-02-02 01:49:15 PM
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Also does not approve.
 
2010-02-02 01:54:43 PM
Apeiron Fixes National Gov't in 2 Easy Steps:

1) Require that any elected or appointed position in the federal gov't that requires access to classified material to apply for, be approved and maintain a security clearance in the same way that military, gov't employees and civilian contractors must. They can be fast tracked, but they must meet the SAME REQUIREMENTS. This will eliminates a great deal of corruption at the top. (Until they get better at hiding their crimes)

2) Require that all elected or appointed positions make their tax forms public record. We can hide info that is otherwise protected by the privacy act (SSN, address and a few other bits).

TheWizard: So if you were a felon:

You can't own a firearm
You can't vote (in many states)
and you can't run for office.

You literally have lost your ability to participate and have become a non-citizen.


Because you've failed to be a citizen. This is as it should be. Breaking the law is not a right.

Rights is a misleading term. If it can be taken from you, it's not a right. They are more like privileges extended to you in exchange for good behavior, subject to revocation on bad behavior.
 
2010-02-02 01:59:39 PM
1. Pass law barring felonies from political office.
2. Have your friend the DA file charges against your opponent.
3. Profit.
 
2010-02-02 02:05:39 PM
Hey ...

THAT'S RACIST !!!
 
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