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(IOL.co.za)   Scientists find Neanderthal teeth in Poland, presumably from prehistoric British tourists   (iol.co.za) divider line 48
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2010-02-02 01:58:48 PM  
Read this headline and splurted my drink.
Thanks, subster!!!

o_O
 
2010-02-02 01:59:22 PM  
Nice
 
2010-02-02 02:00:31 PM  
Not possible, The teeth would have fallen out way before poland.
 
2010-02-02 02:04:43 PM  
In related news, this is the oldest dentist ever.
 
2010-02-02 02:05:08 PM  
Whatever you do, don't Google image search 'British Teeth.' OMFG
 
2010-02-02 02:05:46 PM  
Fantastic Subby!

And they dare to say American comedy is unoriginal and stagnant.
 
2010-02-02 02:07:44 PM  
i was gonna post a pic of what Neanderthal British teeth look like, but all i got was amy whinhouse :/
 
2010-02-02 02:08:37 PM  
Are british teeth really that bad as USAns claim? OTOH: Why do people bleach their teeth? It looks hideous (and damn silly).
 
2010-02-02 02:09:09 PM  
So, religion was started by Neanderthals....

/Shocking
 
2010-02-02 02:13:57 PM  
Uncle Tractor: Are british teeth really that bad as USAns claim? OTOH: Why do people bleach their teeth? It looks hideous (and damn silly).

Yes, they are and if you want to know about teeth bleaching ask this guy...

www.rickmcginnis.com

/Blimey!
 
2010-02-02 02:13:59 PM  
I've been told by folks that early Cro Magnon/Neanderthal crossbreeding may be responsible for RH-Negativity in our current blood types. This may just be rampant New Age/Conspiracy Theorist speculation. In any case, I've read history books going back to the 1950s that suggested that the Neanderthals buried their dead and had ideas about religion. I thought that was nothing new?
 
2010-02-02 02:18:15 PM  
www.strangecosmos.com

I was looking for the oblig picture, and this boils my blood. We all know Dr. Hibberd was not the dentist in question who shows ralph the Big Book of British Smiles in Last Exit to Springfield, it was Dr. Wolfe.

www.mediabistro.com
Worst action figure ever.
 
2010-02-02 02:20:06 PM  
Neanderthals probably had OK teeth.
They wouldn't have eaten much sugar, except in whatever fruit they ate, so they wouldn't have much problem with tooth decay.
 
2010-02-02 02:22:13 PM  
www.starz.com

His teeth look better than mine.

/yes, I know
 
2010-02-02 02:24:53 PM  
bigger brains and religion?

un-possible.
 
2010-02-02 02:35:38 PM  
Shakespeare's Monkey: His teeth look better than mine.

/yes, I know


I find that daughter with the mom jeans camel toe strangely intriguing too.
 
2010-02-02 02:39:16 PM  
I'm not surprised neanderthals had good dental hygiene. They were surprisingly scientifically advanced.
 
2010-02-02 02:39:18 PM  
I've been told by folks that early Cro Magnon/Neanderthal crossbreeding may be responsible for RH-Negativity in our current blood types.

I'm Rh negative (A-) and I got a kick out of this response. And yes, I have my own teeth. I paid for them, so they're mine.

------

Rochester; Mr. Benny, your dentist and your barber called.
Jack Benny: Yes, Rochester?
Rochester: Everything's ready. You can pick 'em up today.
 
2010-02-02 02:39:56 PM  
Scientists find Neanderthal teeth in Poland, presumably from prehistoric British tourists

FTFY subby
 
2010-02-02 02:49:17 PM  
 
2010-02-02 03:01:20 PM  
SwallowTheKnife: I was looking for the oblig picture, and this boils my blood. We all know Dr. Hibberd was not the dentist in question who shows ralph the Big Book of British Smiles in Last Exit to Springfield, it was Dr. Wolfe.


Worst action figure ever.


Source of one of my favorite quotes: "Why must you turn my office into a house of LIES? Must I show you... THE BOOK?"
 
2010-02-02 03:01:46 PM  
They also found a prehistoric toilet seat with no hole near by.
 
2010-02-02 03:05:57 PM  
Hotlegs approves
image.listen.com
 
2010-02-02 03:10:39 PM  
numb3r5ev3n: I've been told by folks that early Cro Magnon/Neanderthal crossbreeding may be responsible for RH-Negativity in our current blood types. This may just be rampant New Age/Conspiracy Theorist speculation. In any case, I've read history books going back to the 1950s that suggested that the Neanderthals buried their dead and had ideas about religion. I thought that was nothing new?

The cross breeding theory has had lots of ups and downs, fossils that are claimed to by hybrids etc. Speciating remains based solely on skeletal morphology is tricky business (how does a particularly robust archaic H. sapien compare with a particularly gracile H. neandertalensis?). Anyhow, thanks to DNA they're starting to make some headway into biological relatedness and it doesn't look good for any interbreeding making its way into the modern human population (small numbers of course, but so far nothing). It doesn't answer whether ANY mating happened, whether any offspring were born, and whether those offspring were fertile so there's still room for argument at anthropology conferences.

As for burials...very famously there was the Shanidar site, which supposedly had buried neandertals. The soil analysis found flowers, immediately interpreted as a grave offering. The remains appeared to have been buried as well. Currently the pollen is thought to be a containment, either modern or from the time, and the clear indication of burial is clouded because there were signs of cave collapse, which would give a dumped body the appearance of burial. Also the time span between levels is pretty large in a person's sense undermining the argument of a coherent "graveyard" at the site. The argument for burial/ritual isn't over in short.

This was the site that Clan of the Cave Bear was inspired by (the "characters" were inspired by some of the remains).

What the site DOES show is that neandertals cared for their own extensively, as one of the individuals had suffered some pretty debilitating injuries/disabilities (blindness, crippled arm).

/tl;dnr I know I know
 
2010-02-02 03:26:17 PM  
Tiberius Gracchus
Anyhow, thanks to DNA they're starting to make some headway into biological relatedness and it doesn't look good for any interbreeding making its way into the modern human population

And yet, I see some people in my neighborhood who look almost exactly like the artist representations of neanderthals.
 
2010-02-02 03:37:48 PM  
Impudent Domain: And yet, I see some people in my neighborhood who look almost exactly like the artist representations of neanderthals.

You're confusing that with the Innsmouth Look.
 
2010-02-02 03:53:02 PM  
NEVER FORGET...Poland

JC
 
2010-02-02 04:08:48 PM  
Impudent Domain: Tiberius Gracchus
Anyhow, thanks to DNA they're starting to make some headway into biological relatedness and it doesn't look good for any interbreeding making its way into the modern human population

And yet, I see some people in my neighborhood who look almost exactly like the artist representations of neanderthals.


Indeed. My father has a SUPER pronounced brow ridge...and even though I'm a pretty skinny guy with generally "gracile" features I've got a nice ridge along with a large-ish occipital. I often wonder why the hell my German ancestors mingled with neandertals.

/science mode-on: it's a "European" trait...
//speculative mode-on: probably archaic human/heidelbergensis breeding true.
 
2010-02-02 04:12:27 PM  
Yea I posted this yesterday

(Yahoo)
2010-02-01 A polish guy walks into a cave
 
2010-02-02 04:27:55 PM  
Radioman_ :I'm Rh negative (A-) and I got a kick out of this response. And yes, I have my own teeth. I paid for them, so they're mine.-----

Yeah, me too. I've already heard all the jokes about Reptillian DNA, too. If I ever meet David Icke face to face, I'll tell him that he's right about the Clintons and the Queen, but we don't claim the Bushes, as they're of degenerate mollusk stock.

/Damn invading limpet people.
//Blood for the blood god, etc.
 
2010-02-02 04:28:30 PM  
I have no photoshop skills, so look up actor HAWTHORNE JAMES and you will see proof positive evidence of interspecies breeding.
 
2010-02-02 04:39:33 PM  
Tiberius Gracchus:

Anyhow, thanks to DNA they're starting to make some headway into biological relatedness and it doesn't look good for any interbreeding making its way into the modern human population


Yeah, I wonder if they would have been biologically compatible. A few of the 'fringe' theorists claim that it's been proven already that there is sufficient evidence for crossbreeding that is being 'supressed,' the decendents show resistance to mad cow disease, etc. It's food for thought, but whether it's actually true or not remains to be seen. If evidence were found that xbreeding happened, I don't really know why such evidence would be suppressed.
 
2010-02-02 04:43:54 PM  
Mom someone called and said they found grandpa's teeth.
 
2010-02-02 04:49:57 PM  
numb3r5ev3n:

A few of the 'fringe' theorists claim that it's been proven already that there is sufficient evidence for crossbreeding that is being 'supressed,' the decendents show resistance to mad cow disease, etc. It's food for thought, but whether it's actually true or not remains to be seen. If evidence were found that xbreeding happened, I don't really know why such evidence would be suppressed.


That's an, unfortunately, typical response from the "fringe": I've been accused in my field of sitting on "secret" information that I'm not willing to share with the world. Also that the "in" group is keeping them out (and not their refusal to participate as a scientist according to the "rules"). It's boggling, why would I do that? With the exception of a couple individuals who have absolutely staked out their claim everyone would be ecstatic to have definitive proof one way or the other. Even though I don't think there was interbreeding why on earth would I suppress the evidence? I'd revise my position 180 degrees and get wicked famous for breaking the definitive proof of neandertal/sapien interbreeding (note I'm not a paleoanthropologist).

Were I one of those with a position staked out, certainly I would challenge, minimize and try to counter the argument...but that's what makes science stronger in the end, the ability to stand up to those challenges. Also "minimizing" and "criticizing" isn't suppression by any stretch of the imagination. For that matter, neither is being flat-wrong...which certainly happens.
 
2010-02-02 04:52:45 PM  
Tiberius Gracchus: ...It doesn't answer whether ANY mating happened, whether any offspring were born, and whether those offspring were fertile so there's still room for argument...

Came here to say something that was along these lines, but nowhere near as awesome as the totality of your post. Bravo.
 
2010-02-02 05:15:01 PM  
Tiberius Gracchus:

That's an, unfortunately, typical response from the "fringe": I've been accused in my field of sitting on "secret" information that I'm not willing to share with the world. Also that the "in" group is keeping them out (and not their refusal to participate as a scientist according to the "rules"). It's boggling, why would I do that? With the exception of a couple individuals who have absolutely staked out their claim everyone would be ecstatic to have definitive proof one way or the other. Even though I don't think there was interbreeding why on earth would I suppress the evidence? I'd revise my position 180 degrees and get wicked famous for breaking the definitive proof of neandertal/sapien interbreeding (note I'm not a paleoanthropologist)

Well, one of the 'fringe' books I read (The Dragon Legacy, by Nicholas de Vere) stated that the world governments are conspiring to hide any evidence regarding neaderthal/cro magnon crossbreeding because the neanderthal-cro magnon crossbreeds were basically like the Na'vi from Avatar, stewardship of the planet was stolen from them in ancient times, and that it is all part of a far-reaching conspiracy to disenfranchise their descendants. YMMV, but it all amounts to whether or not the person arguing for or against crossbreeding is trying to forward an agenda of some kind. I think we'll eventually find out one way or another. But yeah - anyone who could prove it one way or another would clean up, bonus if it were to shed light on human development.
 
2010-02-02 05:53:40 PM  
numb3r5ev3n: YMMV, but it all amounts to whether or not the person arguing for or against crossbreeding is trying to forward an agenda of some kind.

Depends on the thickness of the tinfoil, too.
 
2010-02-02 06:08:20 PM  
MBooda:

numb3r5ev3n: YMMV, but it all amounts to whether or not the person arguing for or against crossbreeding is trying to forward an agenda of some kind.Depends on the thickness of the tinfoil, too.

That too. I went through a major 'I WANT TO BELIEVE!' phase when I was younger. My tinfoil hat was something to behold. I burned out on it some years ago (largely because most of the talking heads in that movement have agendas that are mostly self-serving) but I probably would have been right there with the 'UR HIDIN THE TRUTH!' folks in this debate back in the day.
 
2010-02-02 06:18:18 PM  
numb3r5ev3n: MBooda:

numb3r5ev3n: YMMV, but it all amounts to whether or not the person arguing for or against crossbreeding is trying to forward an agenda of some kind.Depends on the thickness of the tinfoil, too.

That too. I went through a major 'I WANT TO BELIEVE!' phase when I was younger. My tinfoil hat was something to behold. I burned out on it some years ago (largely because most of the talking heads in that movement have agendas that are mostly self-serving) but I probably would have been right there with the 'UR HIDIN THE TRUTH!' folks in this debate back in the day.


One of the upshots (one of the few I think) of post-modern thought in anthropology, at least in the US, is that this issue of "agendas" has received lots of thought and attention. Even if you don't subscribe to PM thought, when presenting for conferences/papers the issue of bias/agenda and the limitations of your personal framing have to be dealt with (if only to fend off critics). Of course that doesn't get ink in media outlets, or appear in History Channel specials, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a good deal of reflection on how to control those factors (and an inordinate amount of naval gazing too) before the public sees any results.
 
2010-02-02 06:46:12 PM  
Tiberius Gracchus

One of the upshots (one of the few I think) of post-modern thought in anthropology, at least in the US, is that this issue of "agendas" has received lots of thought and attention. Even if you don't subscribe to PM thought, when presenting for conferences/papers the issue of bias/agenda and the limitations of your personal framing have to be dealt with (if only to fend off critics). Of course that doesn't get ink in media outlets, or appear in History Channel specials, but that doesn't mean that there isn't a good deal of reflection on how to control those factors (and an inordinate amount of naval gazing too) before the public sees any results.

Indeed, and it's better that way. Unfortunately it's the folks like David Icke, et al who tend to end up on the history channel, particularly around the time when Dan Brown releases novels. The prevailing trend seems to be that if they can convince enough people that their views are correct, it will magically make it so, while those who ascribe to the scientific method are accused of 'hiding something,' or of being 'closeminded.'
 
2010-02-02 08:21:29 PM  
FTA: Traces of the Neanderthal first appeared about 600 000 to 350 000 years ago in Europe and Asia.

Which only proves how ridiculously inaccurate carbon dating is. Everyone knows God created the earth only about 6000 years ago.

www.dvorak.org
 
2010-02-02 08:42:20 PM  
The remains of tooth fragments were found in what appeared to be a grave, the daily Rzeczpospolita reported, which could mean Neanderthals were more advanced than originally thought.

The discovery could mean the prehistoric subspecies buried their dead and had an idea about religion.


Came for atheist whining about religion being "advanced." Leaving disappointed.
 
2010-02-02 09:50:19 PM  
Scientists find Neanderthal teeth in Poland, presumably from prehistoric modern British tourists.

ftfy
 
2010-02-03 01:50:01 AM  
Religion my arse, even sub-humans could figure out dead bodies smell like shiat after a while...
 
2010-02-03 02:53:43 AM  
Uncle Tractor: Are british teeth really that bad as USAns claim? OTOH: Why do people bleach their teeth? It looks hideous (and damn silly).

I have heard an explanation for the current state of British dentition. The speaker (Lindsey Davis,IIRC )linked the bad teeth to the severe food shortages and nutritional deficits following in WW2, which apparently continued into the 70's. By this theory it would mainly be the 50 and older crowd generally suffering from the really bad teeth. This has been my experience as well. Most of the Brits I have met in the under 50 crowd don't have such bad teeth.

Oh, and I am relieved to hear I am not the only one who finds bleached teeth kind of gross. Living in Snotsdale I occasionally feel like the only one in the area without blinding teeth.
 
2010-02-03 05:40:58 AM  
I think the meme about british teeth comes from the fact that in the US is is not unusual to have your teeth capped and bleeched and in the UK it is.

It might also date back to before 1948 when only the well off could afford dentists and it was not unusual for people to loose their teeth in their thirties or forties.

I'm not offended by it, it is just an outmoded steriotype like saying the welsh enjoy the company of sheep, the Scots don't spend their money, the French surrender, Italians love their Mums, the Australians are criminals and the Americans are fat arrogant gun toting war mongers.
 
2010-02-03 08:27:56 AM  
I'm as tired of the "British teeth" gags as anyone.

Thank you subby, for making it all funny again.
 
2010-02-04 01:58:13 PM  
Type40: I think the meme about british teeth comes from the fact that in the US is is not unusual to have your teeth capped and bleeched and in the UK it is.

Personally, I think it comes from the fact that Brits tend to value good acting skills in their actors above and beyond perfect looks, while Hollywood is of course the opposite.

it is just an outmoded steriotype like saying the welsh enjoy the company of sheep, the Scots don't spend their money, the French surrender, Italians love their Mums, the Australians are criminals and the Americans are fat arrogant gun toting war mongers.

In other words, its good fodder for a cheap joke.
 
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