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(Denver Post)   People in Colorado are starving because they can't get their food stamps on time. With picture of what a starving American looks like   (denverpost.com) divider line 474
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2010-02-01 04:49:10 PM
I'm right there with ya subby! I, too, feel so much better about myself when I can make a joke about those less fortunate.

*fistbump*
 
2010-02-01 04:51:18 PM
Oh dear.
 
2010-02-01 04:52:11 PM
HAHA

+1
 
2010-02-01 04:56:42 PM
hungry people with access to firearms is a problem that solves itself.

i'm just not sure the state government would like the solution.
 
2010-02-01 04:58:44 PM
You must send me cookies before I die. Thanks.
 
2010-02-01 05:02:12 PM
Weaver95: hungry people with access to firearms is a problem that solves itself.

i'm just not sure the state government would like the solution.


You mean hunting, right? I don't see any problem with that, at least not that the state government should care about.
 
2010-02-01 05:02:51 PM
EatHam: Weaver95: hungry people with access to firearms is a problem that solves itself.

i'm just not sure the state government would like the solution.

You mean hunting, right? I don't see any problem with that, at least not that the state government should care about.


sure. let's call it that.
 
2010-02-01 05:03:34 PM
Good, nutritional food is quite expensive when compared to processed foods. If you're ever in the unfortunate situation where you have fallen on hard times and have a family to feed, you'll find that you get more calorie per dollar purchasing lower quality food.

Overweight and Malnourished are far from being mutually exclusive.
 
2010-02-01 05:04:28 PM
How does the government keep getting these computer systems that are "inefficient" to the point of causing weeks to months of delays? How is it possible, in any stretch of the imagination for anything other than user error or massive, blatant programming bugs to delay something like this?
 
2010-02-01 05:11:49 PM
Barakku: How does the government keep getting these computer systems that are "inefficient" to the point of causing weeks to months of delays? How is it possible, in any stretch of the imagination for anything other than user error or massive, blatant programming bugs to delay something like this?

poor planning. I mean yeah, there are other factors, but mostly it comes down to very poor planning. There are a ton of little details that go into planning a computer network for end users. And you have to plan out every one of those details or you could end up crashing the entire network and starting over from scratch. Most government IT people work for bosses who are completely clueless about how all those magic network boxes work, and they set unrealistic (or downright insane) requirements for the project. things get missed, or hijacked by someone else with more political pull and the project runs over budget or fails.
 
2010-02-01 05:11:55 PM
EatHam:
You mean hunting, right? I don't see any problem with that, at least not that the state government should care about.


Hunting the most dangerous game, yes.
 
2010-02-01 05:16:33 PM
Her babby is only marginally less terrifying than this one.
 
2010-02-01 05:18:49 PM
Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: Good, nutritional food is quite expensive when compared to processed foods

No.

A 10lb bag of rice is $7.99. A can of beans is 69. cents.

A whole chicken is about $1.00-1.50 a lb.

This is a VERY healthy meal, and it just cost about $4 to feed a family of 5.
 
2010-02-01 05:19:38 PM
Barakku: How does the government keep getting these computer systems that are "inefficient" to the point of causing weeks to months of delays? How is it possible, in any stretch of the imagination for anything other than user error or massive, blatant programming bugs to delay something like this?

Because in the war between politics and good design, politics is armed with nuclear weapons, while good design is armed with a flaccid penis.
 
2010-02-01 05:21:34 PM
what_now: No.

A 10lb bag of rice is $7.99. A can of beans is 69. cents.

A whole chicken is about $1.00-1.50 a lb.

This is a VERY healthy meal, and it just cost about $4 to feed a family of 5.


That's a low fat meal, not a well-balanced meal.
 
2010-02-01 05:30:10 PM
Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: what_now: No.

A 10lb bag of rice is $7.99. A can of beans is 69. cents.

A whole chicken is about $1.00-1.50 a lb.

This is a VERY healthy meal, and it just cost about $4 to feed a family of 5.

That's a low fat meal, not a well-balanced meal.


So eat the chicken skin, and throw in some frozen veggies ($.99).
 
2010-02-01 05:30:44 PM
Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: what_now: No.

A 10lb bag of rice is $7.99. A can of beans is 69. cents.

A whole chicken is about $1.00-1.50 a lb.

This is a VERY healthy meal, and it just cost about $4 to feed a family of 5.

That's a low fat meal, not a well-balanced meal.


Couple more bucks you can add a salad and some oranges for dessert.
 
2010-02-01 05:30:56 PM
Barakku: How does the government keep getting these computer systems that are "inefficient" to the point of causing weeks to months of delays? How is it possible, in any stretch of the imagination for anything other than user error or massive, blatant programming bugs to delay something like this?

This one has been a disaster since it was rolled out in 2004. The company that designed it didn't do any scalability testing, so what was fast enough on site, was unusable when it was rolled out to remote locations across the state. None of the end users really ever got to test the software, and when they had it in front of them, they were having to go through something like 17 different screens to enter a new account, so even when the system wasn't timing out, it was still painfully slow to use.

Apparently, the company that designed the system had a practice of taking talented but inexperienced developers, so they could cut down on staffing costs, which meant that you had people who had never actually developed real world applications manning the project.

And the state decided to move forward with this new system without a fail safe plan of being able to move back to the older system, so any improvements had to be done on the fly to the live system, rather than take the new one down until it worked.

Lastly, the whole project was run by politicians who were in charge of "modernizing the state government", so they didn't particularly know or care about the details, they just wanted to get the project launched so they could call it an accomplishment, cross it off their implementation plan and move on to the next project.
 
2010-02-01 05:39:27 PM
Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: Good, nutritional food is quite expensive when compared to processed foods.

Not true at all, you just have to start with rice, raw beans, millet and go with cheap veggies, like grow and/or pick your own.

In fact, I can eat on less than $5 a day here in the good old USA. In a city. It just takes some planning and control.
 
2010-02-01 06:00:38 PM
jonasborg: Not true at all, you just have to start with rice, raw beans, millet and go with cheap veggies, like grow and/or pick your own.

In fact, I can eat on less than $5 a day here in the good old USA. In a city. It just takes some planning and control.


I stand by my statement that "you get more calorie per dollar purchasing lower quality food". And I agree that one can survive on $5 a day. In fact, these people mentioned in the article are actually using $12 / day for two adults and one toddler.
 
2010-02-01 06:23:43 PM
Frequently, it's not simply a question of cost per meal. It's often a question of cash flow. You can make really cheap meals if you go to Costco and buy big bags of rice, bulk frozen chicken, and stuff like that. Your per-meal cost will be really low, but you'll spend a lot of money that day. When you're broke - really broke, not just "I don't get paid until Friday so I'll drink Bud Light draft instead of the microbrew at the bar" broke - pulling together that much cash at one time is almost impossible.

Additionally, transportation is a biatch. The best places to buy low cost in bulk don't build in the middle of poor neighborhoods. Typically, they're exurb locations far from efficient public transportation. The places the poor get to shop at are shiatty grocery stores and convenience stores where quality is low and prices are high.

So it's a tad disingenuous to slag on poor people for the per-meal cost of their food without acknowledging the transportation and cash-flow issues.
 
2010-02-01 07:13:58 PM
VictoryCabal: So it's a tad disingenuous to slag on poor people for the per-meal cost of their food without acknowledging the transportation and cash-flow issues.

Well, if it's that difficult, why don't they just hop in their cadillac and drive to someplace that's cheaper? All the welfare moms have them, I understand.
 
2010-02-01 08:02:03 PM
House of Tards: Barakku: How does the government keep getting these computer systems that are "inefficient" to the point of causing weeks to months of delays? How is it possible, in any stretch of the imagination for anything other than user error or massive, blatant programming bugs to delay something like this?

This one has been a disaster since it was rolled out in 2004. The company that designed it didn't do any scalability testing, so what was fast enough on site, was unusable when it was rolled out to remote locations across the state. None of the end users really ever got to test the software, and when they had it in front of them, they were having to go through something like 17 different screens to enter a new account, so even when the system wasn't timing out, it was still painfully slow to use.

Apparently, the company that designed the system had a practice of taking talented but inexperienced developers, so they could cut down on staffing costs, which meant that you had people who had never actually developed real world applications manning the project.

And the state decided to move forward with this new system without a fail safe plan of being able to move back to the older system, so any improvements had to be done on the fly to the live system, rather than take the new one down until it worked.

Lastly, the whole project was run by politicians who were in charge of "modernizing the state government", so they didn't particularly know or care about the details, they just wanted to get the project launched so they could call it an accomplishment, cross it off their implementation plan and move on to the next project.


Government at its best.
 
2010-02-01 10:08:54 PM
Do farmers still get subsidies NOT to grow crops? Might we just pay them the same amount of money to grow crops then give those crops to the needy?
 
2010-02-01 10:12:10 PM
jaylectricity: Do farmers still get subsidies NOT to grow crops? Might we just pay them the same amount of money to grow crops then give those crops to the needy?

It seems to be the delivery that is the issue here.
 
2010-02-01 10:37:18 PM
Knucklepopper: It seems to be the delivery that is the issue here.

So divide the cost of delivery amongst the free food. Poor people pay pennies on the dollar for the food. There aren't truckers driving across the country with a little extra space in their trailers?
 
2010-02-01 10:43:09 PM
She's eating that baby.
 
2010-02-01 10:57:34 PM
shanrick: She's eating that baby.

Still better for you then P.F. Changs
 
2010-02-01 10:59:27 PM
That fat biatch of a mom needs to regurgitate the baby food back into the baby's mouth. Ya know...cause that's how nature works...
 
2010-02-01 10:59:31 PM
But but but what about the Haitians?!?!
Think of the starving people down there.
They are far more important.
 
2010-02-01 11:00:44 PM
www.flatrock.org.nz

/sends his sympathies
 
2010-02-01 11:00:56 PM
VictoryCabal: Additionally, transportation is a biatch. The best places to buy low cost in bulk don't build in the middle of poor neighborhoods. Typically, they're exurb locations far from efficient public transportation. The places the poor get to shop at are shiatty grocery stores and convenience stores where quality is low and prices are high.

So it's a tad disingenuous to slag on poor people for the per-meal cost of their food without acknowledging the transportation and cash-flow issues.


I understand all of that. But there's an ethnic grocery store that sells 10lbs of rice in every poor area, because rice is a staple food in most of the world.

It might not be 10lbs for 7.99, but it will still be incredibly cheap.

Especially
if you have spices. Not the whole foods 12.99 for organic ground ginger, but the huge container of Goya Oregeno I bought for $2.99 at the Brazilian butcher near me.

I have enough spices in my cupboard to make a different flavor of rice and beans every day for weeks.
 
2010-02-01 11:00:57 PM
1+ Subby.
 
2010-02-01 11:02:52 PM
Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: I'm right there with ya subby! I, too, feel so much better about myself when I can make a joke about those less fortunate.

*fistbump*


Subby wasn't making a joke.
 
2010-02-01 11:02:54 PM
$320 a month in food stamps for three people? That's not a bad haul.
 
2010-02-01 11:03:04 PM
EatHam: Weaver95: hungry people with access to firearms is a problem that solves itself.

i'm just not sure the state government would like the solution.

You mean hunting, right? I don't see any problem with that, at least not that the state government should care about.


And now we hunt....the most dangerous game.
 
2010-02-01 11:03:46 PM
At the Publix down the road you can get a 20 pound bag of nutrient dense unbleached jasmine rice for 9.99.

Smells just like popcorn when you cook it.

Add a little butter and Tabasco sauce, and you're in business.
 
2010-02-01 11:04:47 PM
bigworld2000: $320 a month in food stamps for three people? That's not a bad haul.

That's not that much compared to what people in my state get.
 
2010-02-01 11:05:49 PM
It's sort of a relief, and a bit of a surprise, that with these economic times, there hasn't been any pandemic of crazies turning into cannibals.
 
2010-02-01 11:06:38 PM
Maybe if we all just pray to God he will make everything better. Or not.
 
2010-02-01 11:07:26 PM
I'm sure you can eat healthy (NOT LOW FAT) on around $5/day person. However it is not easy. Talk to someone who lived through the depression -- I'm sure they did better than that.
 
2010-02-01 11:08:09 PM
Will no one rid us of these rapacious poor?

But seriously, submitter, you've never heard of a food desert?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert

If I didn't have a car, I can buy beer, burritos, and coca-cola. Oh, and peaches in a can.

The U.S. isn't all suburban paradise and not everyone has had access to the stable family life, environment, and education you take for granted.
 
2010-02-01 11:08:38 PM
WTF Indeed: shanrick: She's eating that baby.

Still better for you then P.F. Changs



Shut your mouth fool.

/Their spiced lamb is awesome.
 
2010-02-01 11:09:25 PM
calbert: /sends his sympathies

The guy who took that photo killed himself recently.
 
2010-02-01 11:09:28 PM
Stop having children you can't afford.
 
2010-02-01 11:09:41 PM
richmassena23: Will no one rid us of these rapacious poor?


I have a modest proposal.
 
2010-02-01 11:09:46 PM
Because It's fun to point and criticize those who have less than you.

Earthbound 5 mile wide meteorite, please hurry.
 
2010-02-01 11:10:32 PM
Dwight256: calbert: /sends his sympathies

The guy who took that photo killed himself recently.


I would have just put on a mask and gone around beating up criminals.
 
2010-02-01 11:11:03 PM
CygnusDarius: It's sort of a relief, and a bit of a surprise, that with these economic times, there hasn't been any pandemic of crazies turning into cannibals.

That's because people aren't delicious.
 
2010-02-01 11:11:19 PM
The_Sponge: richmassena23: Will no one rid us of these rapacious poor?


I have a modest proposal.


Eat the rich, they are fat and delicious?

/Somebody else can have dibs on the Exxon guy. His turkey wattle neck doesn't look very low fat to me.
 
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