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(CNN)   Frank Buckles, the last surviving U.S. WW1 veteran turns 109 today. We will stand on your lawn only so that we may salute you, kind sir   (cnn.com) divider line 281
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2010-02-01 07:17:06 AM  
It still amazes me that even with so much historical information available on the internet Americans are still under the misconception that they won WWII.
Just same delusional and cowardly attitude as the guy who comes at the end of a fight and kicks the guy while he's down and boasts about how awesome he is.
 
2010-02-01 07:19:05 AM  
pippi longstocking: It still amazes me that even with so much historical information available on the internet Americans are still under the misconception that they won WWII.
Just same delusional and cowardly attitude as the guy who comes at the end of a fight and kicks the guy while he's down and boasts about how awesome he is.


I believe we did win WWII.

just sayin'.
 
2010-02-01 07:19:06 AM  
pippi longstocking: It still amazes me that even with so much historical information available on the internet Americans are still under the misconception that they won WWII.
Just same delusional and cowardly attitude as the guy who comes at the end of a fight and kicks the guy while he's down and boasts about how awesome he is.


1/10. You're not even trying.
 
2010-02-01 07:21:25 AM  
Well Pippi, we did win WWII. Along with the Soviets. But it was the American economy that helped keep the Russkies in the war.

You probably meant to be demeaning towards the American war effort in WW1. Yes, it was belated, and it was the French and the British who did the heavy lifting on the Western front. But it was the thought of 2 million doughboys shipped to France and available for action in 1919 that convinced the German high command that peace in November of 1918 was a better option.

So, there is an argument that it wasn't American action that won the war, but the threat of American action.

But go on with your American bashing.
 
2010-02-01 07:21:34 AM  
The last surviving U.S. veteran of World War I, former Cpl. Frank Buckles, turns 109 on Monday and is still hoping for a national memorial in Washington for his comrades.

Really..we can piss away money on pork barrel projects, but we cant spend some money on a statue honoring the men on WWI. Sad.
 
2010-02-01 07:23:06 AM  
rynoon: pippi longstocking: It still amazes me that even with so much historical information available on the internet Americans are still under the misconception that they won WWII.
Just same delusional and cowardly attitude as the guy who comes at the end of a fight and kicks the guy while he's down and boasts about how awesome he is.

1/10. You're not even trying.


Well it's kinda accurate, americans had ridiculously poor success militarily in WW ONE, we really didn't accomplish anything militarily. What we did do was bolster the morale of the armies who actually DID know how to fight due to the influx of hundreds of thousands of troops.

It was the Brits and French who really learned how to first effectively utilize tanks and take advantage of limited battlefield goals.

WWI in many respects was just one big meat grinder... germany, being surrounded on all sides and running out of allies and support, simply ran out of soldiers (and food for the populace among other things) first.
 
2010-02-01 07:26:13 AM  
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Oh you mustn't underestimate the Americans, I was with them when they blundered into Berlin in 1918. Which is strange because what I just said never actually happened.
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2010-02-01 07:28:24 AM  
Bit'O'Gristle: The last surviving U.S. veteran of World War I, former Cpl. Frank Buckles, turns 109 on Monday and is still hoping for a national memorial in Washington for his comrades.

Really..we can piss away money on pork barrel projects, but we cant spend some money on a statue honoring the men on WWI. Sad.


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This building must be where Obama takes Bo for his daily piddle then.
 
2010-02-01 07:33:42 AM  
The All-Powerful Atheismo:
It was the Brits and French who really learned how to first effectively utilize tanks and take advantage of limited battlefield goals.


Very belatedly of course.
 
2010-02-01 07:39:41 AM  
The All-Powerful Atheismo:
It was the Brits and French who really learned how to first effectively utilize tanks and take advantage of limited battlefield goals.

Very belatedly of course.


Which, when you consider that tanks are first used in the fall of 1916 as the Somme offensive dragged on, it wasn't that long of a learning curve before they figured out how to use them effectively, as at Cambrai in November of 17. Not pushing for a big break through was an issue, but there were political arguments for attempting a decisive breakthrough behind most "big push" offensives.
 
2010-02-01 07:40:43 AM  
I've got $14 on Frankie Buckles being able to whip the Keyboard Commando's (whatever the troll's name is) arse.
 
2010-02-01 07:44:13 AM  
schatzie: The All-Powerful Atheismo:
It was the Brits and French who really learned how to first effectively utilize tanks and take advantage of limited battlefield goals.

Very belatedly of course.

Which, when you consider that tanks are first used in the fall of 1916 as the Somme offensive dragged on, it wasn't that long of a learning curve before they figured out how to use them effectively, as at Cambrai in November of 17. Not pushing for a big break through was an issue, but there were political arguments for attempting a decisive breakthrough behind most "big push" offensives.


It wasn't just political, it was strategic as well. Tanks or no tanks, it took them years to get the message and learn the simplest of military lessons, at the cost of millions of lives.

/wish it would have been millions+1 life though
//you know the one I mean
 
2010-02-01 07:45:26 AM  
Lt. Col. Angus: I've got $14 on Frankie Buckles being able to whip the Keyboard Commando's (whatever the troll's name is) arse.

you honestly think that a fat nerd couldn't beat the ever living crap out of a 109 year old man?

This calls for an experiment... using SCIENCE!!!
 
2010-02-01 07:45:48 AM  
 
2010-02-01 07:46:09 AM  
DamnYankees: He represents world war I. In that sense it should be the "FAIL" or "sad" tag.

Oh, so are you one of those "War is bad, so therefore everyone associated with it is bad too" people? That explains a great deal.
 
2010-02-01 07:47:15 AM  
*salute*
 
2010-02-01 07:49:34 AM  
GoldSpider: DamnYankees: He represents world war I. In that sense it should be the "FAIL" or "sad" tag.

Oh, so are you one of those "War is bad, so therefore everyone associated with it is bad too" people? That explains a great deal.


Except he didn't say or imply anything of the sort so way to make yourself sound really realllly reallllllllly dumb
 
2010-02-01 07:49:41 AM  
Epsilon: I thought the last remaining WWI vet died last year. But now this dude was between 13 and 17 years old when he joined the war? WTF?

Actually, that wouldn't be all that unusual. Signing up when you weren't technically old enough to enlist was reasonably common back then. In an era when people weren't documented as highly as today, and when it was all paper records, it was relatively easy to forge a birth certificate.

It would be *MUCH* harder, if not practically impossible, to do it today.
 
2010-02-01 07:50:09 AM  
The All-Powerful Atheismo: Bit'O'Gristle: The last surviving U.S. veteran of World War I, former Cpl. Frank Buckles, turns 109 on Monday and is still hoping for a national memorial in Washington for his comrades.

Really..we can piss away money on pork barrel projects, but we cant spend some money on a statue honoring the men on WWI. Sad.

This building must be where Obama takes Bo for his daily piddle then.


A lot of the WWI memorials are kind of an afterthought. One, near where I live, was a somewhat smaller version of the Arc de Triumph, hastily constructed for returning soldiers to march underneath as they got off the troop transports (and then marched to the train station a few blocks away). By the early 70s, it was basically collapsing on itself. Took lots of private donations to rebuild it with something other than wood and stucco.

Still, there's lots of people who live here who don't even know it exists. Fewer still have ever been there (it's in kind of a shiatty part of town).

Can remember visiting the Somme as a kid, and not really being able to comprehend the idea of a place where over a million people were killed.
 
2010-02-01 07:50:15 AM  
anyone who volunteered for (or didn't gnaw his own leg off to avoid being drafted for) the sisyphean meat grinder that was WWI, deserves the HERO tag without question.
 
2010-02-01 07:50:26 AM  
historynow11: Thank you, Sir. Enjoy some 1918 music as the last member of the AEF. (new window)

Dude that is awesome. Srsly.

/do they have it on 8track
 
2010-02-01 07:50:27 AM  
Last surviving WW1 veterans are like Al Qaeda #2's. There will be another one next month.
 
2010-02-01 07:54:38 AM  
BiffDangler: Last surviving WW1 veterans are like Al Qaeda #2's. There will be another one next month. (emphasis added)

Uh, no there won't. Before this guy, oldest, yes. But there's only one last.
 
2010-02-01 07:54:39 AM  
hurdboy:
A lot of the WWI memorials are kind of an afterthought. One, near where I live, was a somewhat smaller version of the Arc de Triumph, hastily constructed for returning soldiers to march underneath as they got off the troop transports (and then marched to the train station a few blocks away). By the early 70s, it was basically collapsing on itself. Took lots of private donations to rebuild it with something other than wood and stucco.

Still, there's lots of people who live here who don't even know it exists. Fewer still have ever been there (it's in kind of a shiatty part of town).


Dude it's like right off the mall.

I didn't know it existed the only time I went to D.C. which was when I was like 8, or I would have gone.
 
2010-02-01 07:55:03 AM  
This thread is ridiculous, yes the guy is a hero but there's no harm in questioning why. And I can see DamnYankees's point, merely serving is of itself no guarantee of heroism, and no, a 109 year old, no matter how much respect I have for him, can beat up anyone on Fark, except maybe a 13 year old liter. Uh oh, just remembered my subscription expired so I'm a liter now too, but i'm not 13 damnit!

Secondly please don't start an argument over who won what war, it's so pathetic when people think they can make sweeping statements and take into account none of the global scale of the whole struggle and the dozens of countries which helped significantly. You can take one facet of the war and expand it and produce a perfectly acceptable sounding theory on how it was the single most important result for victory, but then you're missing the whole picture. You can no more say the Americans won WW2 than you can back the Russians entirely, one without the other would not have succeeded, and if the British had fallen then the Americans would have had huge difficulty in supplying Russia and invading Europe. Every country that played its part played it well, and they all complemented each other and worked together for victory, and that is why they are known as the Allies, or the United Nations. Don't try and fracture it now.
 
2010-02-01 07:55:50 AM  
The All-Powerful Atheismo: schatzie: The All-Powerful Atheismo:
It was the Brits and French who really learned how to first effectively utilize tanks and take advantage of limited battlefield goals.

Very belatedly of course.

Which, when you consider that tanks are first used in the fall of 1916 as the Somme offensive dragged on, it wasn't that long of a learning curve before they figured out how to use them effectively, as at Cambrai in November of 17. Not pushing for a big break through was an issue, but there were political arguments for attempting a decisive breakthrough behind most "big push" offensives.

It wasn't just political, it was strategic as well. Tanks or no tanks, it took them years to get the message and learn the simplest of military lessons, at the cost of millions of lives.

/wish it would have been millions+1 life though
//you know the one I mean


Korvettenkapitän Georg Ludwig Ritter von Trapp. If it weren't for him, we wouldn't have had that stupid movie.
 
2010-02-01 07:56:48 AM  
You are right All Powerful...millions dead and that idiot corporal from the 16th Bavarian Reserve Infgantry survives. WTF is with that?
 
2010-02-01 07:58:19 AM  
infantry, I meant infantry. No idea what infgantry is, but it sounds painful.
 
2010-02-01 07:58:43 AM  
The All-Powerful Atheismo: GoldSpider: DamnYankees: He represents world war I. In that sense it should be the "FAIL" or "sad" tag.

Oh, so are you one of those "War is bad, so therefore everyone associated with it is bad too" people? That explains a great deal.

Except he didn't say or imply anything of the sort so way to make yourself sound really realllly reallllllllly dumb


To be honest, you should read faster. His first sentence: "He represents world war I." Old balls in the story is now the equivalent of WWI...

Then read the next sentence. It's okay, we'll wait. I'm not sure one can interpret the word "fail" in a good way.
 
2010-02-01 07:59:09 AM  
That's right dittybopper! So many problems with Austrians...
 
2010-02-01 08:01:02 AM  
hurdboy:
Still, there's lots of people who live here who don't even know it exists. Fewer still have ever been there (it's in kind of a shiatty part of town).

Huh? It's not in a bad part of town. It's on the Mall...easy walking distance from the other memorials. It's just easy to miss if you aren't looking for it.
 
2010-02-01 08:02:57 AM  
The All-Powerful Atheismo: Dude it's like right off the mall.

I didn't know it existed the only time I went to D.C. which was when I was like 8, or I would have gone.


Yeah, the one in DC is on most of the tourist guides. I was talking about this one in Newport News, VA. There used to be a pier at the end of 25th Street. The train station was at 22nd Street.
 
2010-02-01 08:04:08 AM  
schatzie: That's right dittybopper! So many problems with Austrians...

Don't even get me started with that Paul Hogan character...

/He's got a Donk
 
2010-02-01 08:07:54 AM  
It's an honor to have been born on his birthday. Thank you kind sir for letting me share the day with you.

/fellow medic
 
2010-02-01 08:08:11 AM  
I need to know this guy's current political leanings before I can decide if he's a hero or not.
 
2010-02-01 08:08:42 AM  
dittybopper:

/wish it would have been millions+1 life though
//you know the one I mean

Korvettenkapitän Georg Ludwig Ritter von Trapp. If it weren't for him, we wouldn't have had that stupid movie.


I was thinking of Jack Benny. I farking hate that prick.
mortystv.com
 
2010-02-01 08:10:25 AM  
dittybopper 2010-02-01 08:04:08 AM

Don't even get me started with that Paul Hogan character...


Bad enough they made a movie out of Von Trapp's wife's book, but they could redeem it by making a movie out of his book "The Last Salute". I've no idea how they would get a kangaroo down a submarine hatch to be his loveable sidekick, but it would be cool.

Hogan is a little old to play von Trapp, maybe he could be the 'roo?
 
2010-02-01 08:11:23 AM  
jerinx: The All-Powerful Atheismo: GoldSpider: DamnYankees: He represents world war I. In that sense it should be the "FAIL" or "sad" tag.

Oh, so are you one of those "War is bad, so therefore everyone associated with it is bad too" people? That explains a great deal.

Except he didn't say or imply anything of the sort so way to make yourself sound really realllly reallllllllly dumb

To be honest, you should read faster. His first sentence: "He represents world war I." Old balls in the story is now the equivalent of WWI...

Then read the next sentence. It's okay, we'll wait. I'm not sure one can interpret the word "fail" in a good way.


Ahh the mental giants are out in force this morning.

It's clear DamnYankees wasn't attempting to assign "FAIL" to the soldier himself but to the war.
 
2010-02-01 08:15:54 AM  
poot_rootbeer: I need to know this guy's current political leanings before I can decide if he's a hero or not.

He's a Ron Paul supporter

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2010-02-01 08:17:36 AM  
schatzie: You are right All Powerful...millions dead and that idiot corporal from the 16th Bavarian Reserve Infgantry survives. WTF is with that?

There are reasons I'm an Atheist. I think this one is on the list somewhere rather prominently with big bold letters, three exclamation marks, and a pirate flag.
 
2010-02-01 08:21:17 AM  
schatzie: dittybopper 2010-02-01 08:04:08 AM

Don't even get me started with that Paul Hogan character...

Bad enough they made a movie out of Von Trapp's wife's book, but they could redeem it by making a movie out of his book "The Last Salute". I've no idea how they would get a kangaroo down a submarine hatch to be his loveable sidekick, but it would be cool.

Hogan is a little old to play von Trapp, maybe he could be the 'roo?


Actually, I'd pay good money to see a submarine movie with Jurgen Prochnow and Kelsey Grammer playing opposing submarine commanders in a duel at sea.

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Our penis tattoos. Where are they? Answer that one, Herr Goering.
 
2010-02-01 08:22:07 AM  
/salute
 
2010-02-01 08:27:59 AM  
The All-Powerful Atheismo Don't forget to underline several times! Yeah, it does make one question the existence of an all powerful and just entitiy.

dittybopper That would be the coolest submarine flick ever. I thought one of the funniest things in "Beerfest" was having the Germans in submarine with Prochnow as the captain. And his "I had a bad experience" line was brilliant.
 
2010-02-01 08:29:33 AM  
schatzie: The All-Powerful Atheismo Don't forget to underline several times! Yeah, it does make one question the existence of an all powerful and just entitiy.

I would move straight past "question" to "highly doubt"



dittybopper That would be the coolest submarine flick ever. I thought one of the funniest things in "Beerfest" was having the Germans in submarine with Prochnow as the captain. And his "I had a bad experience" line was brilliant.


haven't seen beerfest but seen that part. It was awesome. Few of my friends got it.
 
2010-02-01 08:33:49 AM  
Salute.
 
2010-02-01 08:36:57 AM  
schatzie:

dittybopper That would be the coolest submarine flick ever. I thought one of the funniest things in "Beerfest" was having the Germans in submarine with Prochnow as the captain. And his "I had a bad experience" line was brilliant.


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Uh, nothing much, sir. Buckman's eating an Oreo up in the galley... Stepanak's taking a leak.
 
2010-02-01 08:40:25 AM  
He and I share the same birthday. This year he is one year older than twice my age. Next year, he will be exactly double my age.
 
2010-02-01 08:40:39 AM  
Fair_Poopsmith: Jesus Christ, you ridiculous tools, can't you just grant for a moment that DamnYankees has a reasonable position here even though your own feelings or experience don't allow you to agree? Does it really rile you up that badly that someone needs a little more information before bestowing the "hero" title on someone he's never met and is unlikely to ever learn much about?

Um, what FP said, but ...

In WW1 ambulance crews were out in the thick of it, collecting the fallen. It's not like they just hung around at the back until after the fighting and cooled their heels. There are more heros in WW1 ambulance crews than they're given credit for.



That said, WW1 was pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things. Except for leaving a reduced generation with maiden aunts because all the young men were busy being dead.

WW2 in Europe would have had a point, except the Allies decided to hand out countries wholesale at the end, and by doing so creating what they were trying to stop Hitler doing under another name. Fascism, communism - either way it didn't work out for a whole generation of millions*. Ask people whose families were torn apart by the communist secret police of several different "nations". (Because you can't ask the families who were persecuted wholesale - there's no-one left)

WW2 in the Pacific was a little different because it was an opportunistic move by the Japanese.

/*not that it's worked out in the middle east since.
 
2010-02-01 08:47:13 AM  
Thank you that man.

/Salute
 
2010-02-01 08:49:50 AM  
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