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(NYPost)   Queens teacher, 63, continuing to collect a $100k salary, is not allowed to teach in a classroom, and runs his law firm out of an empty room. UberFark: He also manages $8 million worth of personal real estate   (nypost.com) divider line 157
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2010-01-31 06:46:55 PM
Strong union.
 
2010-01-31 06:49:50 PM
I have a feeling that man is going to cause a lot of controversy.

This is ridiculous, earning 100k a year for doing nothing and they can't fire him. He is unsafe to the kids and sounds like a terrible guy.

This is a no brainer, there should be an exception where they can fire him, or brought him to court again, and they should have done it 8 years ago, or drive him out or something.
 
2010-01-31 09:26:49 PM
news.gotgame.com
 
2010-01-31 09:39:09 PM
A teacher earning 100k?
 
2010-01-31 09:39:39 PM
From TFA:
So Rosenfeld simply collects his $100,049 salary -- top scale for teachers -- plus full health benefits and the promise of a fat pension, about $82,000 a year if he were to retire today.

His pension will grow by $1,700 each year he remains. He could have retired at age 62, but he stays.


Hell, if you were getting paid $100,000 to sit on your ass and do nothing, you'd stay too.
 
2010-01-31 10:17:58 PM
No, if I had that much money anyway, I'd stop taking that salary. Because I'm not a horrendous waste of tissue.

/except for my toenails
 
2010-01-31 11:22:31 PM
There was a very interesting piece on NPR about the "rubber room" a while ago.

Link (new window)
 
2010-02-01 01:11:45 AM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: A teacher earning 100k?

Yeah, seriously! I was reading Fark one time and read that was impossible! It's possible that things on that site are sometimes wrong, but that's just stupid. I bet the guy in the article is some sort of wizard.
 
2010-02-01 01:14:08 AM
RandomAxe: No, if I had that much money anyway, I'd stop taking that salary. Because I'm not a horrendous waste of tissue.

/except for my toenails


liar.
 
2010-02-01 01:14:56 AM
Government run business FTW!!

Healthcare, here we come!
 
2010-02-01 01:15:57 AM
The piss fest continues. America has become, "analize my deal", except GOPers, or course
 
2010-02-01 01:18:40 AM
here is a pdf on how to fire these teachers:
http://reason.com/assets/db/12639308918768.pdf
 
2010-02-01 01:21:30 AM
Tourney3p0: The Stealth Hippopotamus: A teacher earning 100k?

Yeah, seriously! I was reading Fark one time and read that was impossible! It's possible that things on that site are sometimes wrong, but that's just stupid. I bet the guy in the article is some sort of wizard.


I think it's possible around here--if you've been at the same school for 20 years and have a two PhDs.
 
2010-02-01 01:23:19 AM
yup, that's how you want to spend the taxpayers' dime.
 
2010-02-01 01:23:47 AM
Hey, CretinBob, is that guy in the upper left hand corner looking at an old version of Fark, or is the color scheme on his screen just confusing me?
 
2010-02-01 01:24:03 AM
Don't you just love unions?
 
2010-02-01 01:26:27 AM
JerkyMeat: The piss fest continues. America has become, "analize my deal", except GOPers, or course

I think I found the important bit.
 
2010-02-01 01:28:34 AM
People always talk about how shiatty teacher salary is, but they fail to look at what happens after tenure. I know a few 20yr+ teachers in CA that are making close to what this guy is making and while entry level is in the mid 30s or so, that's about the same as an entry level IT job with the same level of education and certification while the teacher has better benefits(pension vs 401k, far better health plan than most private companies), generally better hours, and a higher ceiling for non-management positions. So I don't want to hear any more about teachers complaining about salary.

Thank you

King of the Interwebs
 
2010-02-01 01:28:57 AM
If they do not have evidence to fire him, they should have assigned him to challenging classes (to encourage retirement) in low performing schools and warned the administration to keep an eye on him. He should also be officially warned about his conduct and given sexual harassment and sensitivity training. The first time new evidence emerges, then they should follow through on it. The "rubber room" strategy was poor management. This is not the union's fault.
 
2010-02-01 01:30:36 AM
Wow, what a sweet deal.

My mom has been teaching for twenty years, and doesn't make half that.

Of course, the cost of living in Florida is probably less than half the cost of living in queens.
 
2010-02-01 01:31:53 AM
for every one person in these rooms, there are hundreds that wouldn't survive without a union. teachers need all the help they can get. it's just a shame that more students wouldn't testify against a guy if he did those things (which, i'm guessin', may have happened).
 
2010-02-01 01:32:43 AM
Damn Subby, the article only said he was 64 3 times... how'd you fark that up?
 
2010-02-01 01:33:04 AM
What's his Fark handle?
 
2010-02-01 01:33:08 AM
shinysign: This is ridiculous, earning 100k a year for doing nothing and they can't fire him. He is unsafe to the kids and sounds like a terrible guy.

This is a no brainer, there should be an exception where they can fire him, or brought him to court again, and they should have done it 8 years ago, or drive him out or something.


He was never brought to court in the first place; he was taken before the Department of Education. The problem is they couldn't prove any of the accusations because only one girl testified, and what he said to her wasn't bad enough to warrant firing.

So they're stuck -- they can't prove he did anything wrong, and they don't want to allow him to teach considering the allegations, so unless he does something else that's a firing offense, they are stuck with him.

I think they should have just put him in a crappy desk job at the school district though. There should be plenty of jobs that have no contact with kids, though I guess whether they could force him to do that is another matter, if it's outside of his original contract. I think they should have tried to find busy work for him to do in his little room, tedious and annoying if possible, and make him quit.
 
2010-02-01 01:33:53 AM
I don't blame the teacher in him; I blame the lawyer.
 
2010-02-01 01:34:00 AM
RandomAxe: No, if I had that much money anyway, I'd stop taking that salary. Because I'm not a horrendous waste of tissue.

/except for my toenails


Imagine it from his perspective though.

Suppose one day at your job, your boss pulls you aside and says "RandomAxe, we've had some complaints about your performance, some of the female employees have found your remarks to be inappropriate." You're thinking, what the hell, you've always acted like a professional, nobody's said shiat to you about this before, and you hardly ever talk to most of the women to begin with. None of that matters to them, and they decide to bring you up before a review board.

Well wouldn't you know it, when it comes time to actually have the review, they can't find any of these supposed complainers except for this one girl who you know lies her ass off about everything, all the time. So it's your word against hers, and everyone knows this is BS, but they have to look like they're tough on sexual harassment, so they give you a slap on the wrist.

So you're pissed, but you figure that's over with at least, until you realize your boss has it in for you, and he won't let you return to work, regardless of whether you've served your "punishment" because he thinks you create a hostile work environment. But you have an ace up your sleeve, because you've read your employment contract and you know that, because of a loop hole, they can't fire you. So you say, "fine, don't let me work, I'll just stay home and keep drawing the paycheck you can't legally deny me."

So here you are. They tried to ruin your life over nothing, and in return, you're sticking it to them for $100,000 a year. If that were the story instead of what you read in the Post, would you still stop taking the salary?

/Not saying that's what actually happened
//It is probably what the guy believes happened, in his own mind
 
2010-02-01 01:39:37 AM
And paying an executive 100 million a year to lose money for their share holders is just fine?
 
2010-02-01 01:39:43 AM
Okay, either this guy is a huge pervert or he is not.
If he is a perv he should have been gone long ago.
If he is not then he should be actively teaching.

This current situation is the result of totally incompetent administration in the NYC school district.
 
2010-02-01 01:41:20 AM
fallingcow:

I think it's possible around here--if you've been at the same school for 20 years and have a two PhDs.


I hope to god you're not implying that teachers can make good money if they're willing to stick with their job for a reasonable amount of time. Not great money of course.. just 240% more than the median income, which barely classifies as lower class around these parts.
 
2010-02-01 01:42:10 AM
Three words: New York Post.

Usually that's enough, right?
 
2010-02-01 01:43:11 AM
HiFiGuy: I don't blame the teacher in him; I blame the lawyer.

Must...not...make...anti-semitic...comment...

/ I'm really tempted to.
 
2010-02-01 01:43:29 AM
All I see are some remarks, ok, slightly a bit over what would be acceptable.
I don't see why the exageration... it's not like just because he makes some small talk with the students next time he's going to rape the students or stuff like that.

I would personally fire the the chief or administrator or whatever that person was that chose to keep him in the "rubber room".
 
2010-02-01 01:44:05 AM
Nuuu: RandomAxe: No, if I had that much money anyway, I'd stop taking that salary. Because I'm not a horrendous waste of tissue.

/except for my toenails


My issues with his not being fired
Issue 1 is his not being able to be fired for sexual harassment.
Issue 2 is that he isn't doing his job. I don't care why, but if you aren't doing your job, you should be fired.
Issue 3 is that he's running a law firm while on clock. How is it possible he's allowed to work and get paid for a second job during his paid time on clock for the district?
Issue 4 is he's a massive dick to many other employees (teachers) regularly harassing and insulting them.
Issue 5 is even at 64 they haven't forced his ass into retirement.

Any competent school district could have fired his ass for half a dozen reasons. They haven't which is their fault.

Feel free to add to this list.
 
2010-02-01 01:44:21 AM
The American dream is alive and well.
 
2010-02-01 01:48:06 AM
Quantumbunny: Nuuu: RandomAxe: No, if I had that much money anyway, I'd stop taking that salary. Because I'm not a horrendous waste of tissue.

/except for my toenails


My issues with his not being fired
Issue 1 is his not being able to be fired for sexual harassment.
Issue 2 is that he isn't doing his job. I don't care why, but if you aren't doing your job, you should be fired.
Issue 3 is that he's running a law firm while on clock. How is it possible he's allowed to work and get paid for a second job during his paid time on clock for the district?
Issue 4 is he's a massive dick to many other employees (teachers) regularly harassing and insulting them.
Issue 5 is even at 64 they haven't forced his ass into retirement.

Any competent school district could have fired his ass for half a dozen reasons. They haven't which is their fault.

Feel free to add to this list.


I think you pretty much covered it. I do wonder, however, if he has some dirt on some high-ranking NYC school administrator...
 
2010-02-01 01:50:29 AM
stirfrybry: Government run business FTW!!

Healthcare, here we come!

Ahem.
"We have to abide by the union contract," spokeswoman Ann Forte said.

This would be different in the private sector.. how exactly?
 
2010-02-01 01:51:27 AM
moothemagiccow: stirfrybry: Government run business FTW!!

Healthcare, here we come!
Ahem.
"We have to abide by the union contract," spokeswoman Ann Forte said.

This would be different in the private sector.. how exactly?


UNION vs Employment at will
 
2010-02-01 01:51:56 AM
teto85: Strong union.

Not especially, he's only going to be paid for half of his sick time when he retires. I got 75% when I got fired.
 
2010-02-01 01:54:13 AM
So, when he does retire, will his job be open? Cuz I'm pretty good at making lewd comments and sitting on my ass.
 
2010-02-01 01:54:48 AM
Unions! They're great!

I just wish I could be in one. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to extort the government into legally binding contracts.
 
2010-02-01 01:57:18 AM
FTA: The DOE responded to questions about Rosenfeld in a statement, saying Klein had ordered "a handful" of such teachers to stay out of classrooms because they posed a risk to kids.

Is the pope running NY's DOE?
 
2010-02-01 02:02:26 AM
www.poolparty-themovie.com

Harass the cheerleader- harass the world!
 
2010-02-01 02:07:12 AM
www.nypost.com

www.werewolfforhire.com
Separated at birth?
 
2010-02-01 02:09:43 AM
I'm sorry, but why should I be upset that the DOE can't fire a guy against whom they can produce no evidence? They should put him back in a classroom, and get him to teach.
 
2010-02-01 02:12:12 AM
mrlewish: And paying an executive 100 million a year to lose money for their share holders is just fine?

I know I am just feeding the troll, but here goes:

What a CEO makes is an issue between the CEO and the shareholders. It isn't any of your business, unless you are a shareholder... and the shareholders can just dump their stock and invest in something else with a phone call or mouse click if they are totally pissed off.

When public servants are overpaid, we are forced to deal with it because we are taxpayers. Oh, and the unions have specially granted monopoly powers, so unlike a CEO, it is illegal to fire them because they are paid too much. And unlike a CEO, it is against labor laws to in any way discourage or "intimidate" them from demanding as much money as possible.
 
2010-02-01 02:17:55 AM
Retarded Rabid Elk: What a CEO makes is an issue between the CEO and the shareholders. It isn't any of your business, unless you are a shareholder... and the shareholders can just dump their stock and invest in something else with a phone call or mouse click if they are totally pissed off.

That's cute.

"If you aren't a shareholder, it isn't your business. But if you are a shareholder, and you don't like it, go f*ck yourself."
 
2010-02-01 02:20:34 AM
My uncle in Yonkers makes good money for his teaching job, too, so I totally believe 100k a year for the NYC area.


So the school system didn't have enough to fire him. Okay, then, they have to pay him per the contract. It's not his fault if they've reduced his duties to "sit in this room every day" from "educate children".


And I'll bet this will generate more outrage and "we have to do something!!!!" posts than the CEO of Goldman Sachs getting a $100,000,000 bonus this year.


So because of this teacher, a union gets busted and the middle class gets attacked. And because of that CEO... what, another bailout? Tax cut?

"Liberal media"... Yeah, that's as much a fairy tale as dragons, dwarfs, orcs, and bipartisanship in DC.

Man, we're farked up.
 
2010-02-01 02:21:34 AM
Go Alan go! Show up the haters and anti-unionists.
 
2010-02-01 02:26:52 AM
I live in Queens, this article is making me consider working part time at the local Junior High School or Elementary school. Is that possible while I am still an Undergrad?
 
2010-02-01 02:30:08 AM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: A teacher earning 100k?

That's equivalent to about $45,000 in Indianapolis.
 
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