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2010-01-31 03:22:40 PM
Yeah, that was suggested a decade or so ago and the scientists responsible were berated by the "It's all due to CO2 from humans and cow burps" crowd as being "global warming deniers". I wonder what the backlash for this report will be?
 
2010-01-31 03:33:29 PM
Dufus: Yeah, that was suggested a decade or so ago and the scientists responsible were berated by the "It's all due to CO2 from humans and cow burps" crowd as being "global warming deniers". I wonder what the backlash for this report will be?

So what is it that caused the water vapor levels in the stratosphere to drop 10%? Is God running his dehumidifier up there?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2010-01-31 03:43:48 PM
NUKE MOP IT FROM ORBIT
 
2010-01-31 03:51:42 PM
ZAZ: NUKE MOP IT FROM ORBIT

Sounds like a job for the HMS Bounty.
 
2010-01-31 04:33:13 PM
gilgamesh23: Dufus: Yeah, that was suggested a decade or so ago and the scientists responsible were berated by the "It's all due to CO2 from humans and cow burps" crowd as being "global warming deniers". I wonder what the backlash for this report will be?

So what is it that caused the water vapor levels in the stratosphere to drop 10%? Is God running his dehumidifier up there?


Precipitation?
 
2010-01-31 04:36:57 PM
It's the only way to be sure.
 
2010-01-31 05:40:06 PM

You mean someone finally paid attention to their high school chemistry class?

Don't forgot Pinatubo, which set climate change back several years and was the cause of that nasty cooling dip everyone on both sides was creaming their pants about awhile back.


**FAP**FAP**FAP**
 
2010-01-31 06:24:35 PM
The English Major: ZAZ: NUKE MOP IT FROM ORBIT

Sounds like a job for the HMS Bounty.


As soon as it gets back with the breadfruit trees... which should've been here by now...
 
2010-01-31 06:24:36 PM
Clearly this isn't our fault. Nothing ever is, EVER.
 
2010-01-31 06:25:26 PM
So, global warming changed the amount of water vapor in the air, which affected global warming? It's almost like they are connected with everything else.
 
2010-01-31 06:25:40 PM
cache.gawker.com

/stolen from the comments
 
2010-01-31 06:27:55 PM
Finally, we know what can be blamed for global warming: water heat
 
2010-01-31 06:29:17 PM
We'll blow up the ocean!
 
2010-01-31 06:31:47 PM
OPERATION: REALLY BIG SPONGE IS A GO!
 
2010-01-31 06:32:41 PM
I still say we counteract global warming with nuclear winter.
 
2010-01-31 06:32:57 PM
Quick, everyone pretend to be a climate scientist!
 
2010-01-31 06:33:38 PM
Eclipser13

We'll blow up the ocean!

Been done.

upload.wikimedia.org

actual size
 
2010-01-31 06:36:30 PM
This should be good....

static.howstuffworks.com
 
2010-01-31 06:36:56 PM
I for one welcome our new vapor overlords.
 
2010-01-31 06:38:55 PM
studebaker hoch: Eclipser13

We'll blow up the ocean!

Been done.



actual size


I think you just hit the nail on the head. Nukes generate a metricbutt load of heat. America has detonated numerous nukes above ground. Perhaps Global Warming being created by Man is correct. The heat had to go somewhere.
 
2010-01-31 06:39:28 PM
This is what I've been wondering for a few years. Since H2O is a greenhouse gas, albiet not as potent as CO2, hydrogen fuel cells are aren`t that much better than gas engines?

\just sayin
 
2010-01-31 06:41:44 PM
Dufus: Yeah, that was suggested a decade or so ago and the scientists responsible were berated by the "It's all due to CO2 from humans and cow burps" crowd as being "global warming deniers". I wonder what the backlash for this report will be?

Ex Communication, of course. AlGore does not take well to apostates.
 
2010-01-31 06:41:47 PM
It's been a known problem (splashes) for some time now.
 
2010-01-31 06:42:46 PM
thepatriotaxe.com

oh, and

thepatriotaxe.com
 
2010-01-31 06:43:07 PM
There's nothing we can do about global warming anyway, so who the fark cares?
 
2010-01-31 06:43:39 PM
gilgamesh23: Dufus: Yeah, that was suggested a decade or so ago and the scientists responsible were berated by the "It's all due to CO2 from humans and cow burps" crowd as being "global warming deniers". I wonder what the backlash for this report will be?

So what is it that caused the water vapor levels in the stratosphere to drop 10%? Is God running his dehumidifier up there?

Possibly:
Cosmic rays flux increase causing more clouds to form. The rays increase when sunspots drop off in frequency. The sunspots affect cosmic rays through magnetic influence.
 
2010-01-31 06:45:11 PM
EVERYONE BOYCOTT WATER!
 
2010-01-31 06:45:19 PM

Second sentence of the article in question, published in Science, emphasis mine:

"Here, we show that this acted to slow the rate of increase in global surface temperature over 2000 to 2009 by about 25% compared to that which would have occurred due only to carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases."

Hint: Susan Solomon is not saying greenhouse factors (don't exist/are backward/are a product of the lizard people/algore is fat/etc.). She's discussing some variability in stratospheric water vapor of unknown attribution (which she observes as being in the opposite direction the previous decade, so it's not a clear negative feedback response, either) either blunting or worsening the steadier trend of increasing greenhouse forcings.

The lead author of this study, speaking this week to the New York Times:

"Despite the decrease in water vapor, the study's authors said, the overall trend is still toward a warming climate, primarily caused by a buildup in emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases from human sources.

"This doesn't alter the fundamental conclusion that the world has warmed and that most of that warming has to do with greenhouse gas emissions caused by man," said Susan Solomon, a climate scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the lead author of the report, which appears in the Jan. 29 issue of the journal Science."

This being Fark, I'm sure someone will be along shortly to explain why Susan Solomon is misinterpreting the work of Susan Solomon, even though they themselves have not read the article in question, and/or noting that Al Gore is fat and owns a big house.
 
2010-01-31 06:45:21 PM
frugalyankee.com

/ Is mooooved by this thread
 
2010-01-31 06:45:31 PM
TeddyRooseveltsMustache: There's nothing we can do about global warming anyway, so who the fark cares?

Scientists care. Even if we can't change it, we should learn to predict it. We can't stop earthquakes or storms, but knowing about them helps us minimize the damage they cause.
 
2010-01-31 06:47:42 PM
TeddyRooseveltsMustache: There's nothing we can do about global warming anyway, so who the fark cares?

Ahh, the New AmericanTM. Defeatist, cowardly, lazy, and unthinking. Awesome.
 
2010-01-31 06:50:37 PM
redonkulon: This is what I've been wondering for a few years. Since H2O is a greenhouse gas, albiet not as potent as CO2, hydrogen fuel cells are aren`t that much better than gas engines?

\just sayin


Can you cite a source for this. I've tried to find a definitive number for h2o forcing. Where did you find your info?
 
2010-01-31 06:50:52 PM
Mmm, science classtastic.

Next they'll tell us that as temperature increases, more water can be held in the atmosphere!

Hasn't this shiat been factored in to climate models for years.
 
2010-01-31 06:51:24 PM
gilgamesh23: So what is it that caused the water vapor levels in the stratosphere to drop 10%? Is God running his dehumidifier up there?

Solomon does not make claims there. She does note that what data she has suggests an opposite trend in the prior decade.

Briefly, if you have a steadily climbing carbon dioxide (and methane, etc.) contribution and a fluctuating stratospheric water contribution, the long-term trend is still the same.
 
2010-01-31 06:52:25 PM
There should be a "no shiat, everyone has known this for years because it's been common knowledge publicly available to everyone" tag.

Is there seriously anybody who was not aware of this?
 
2010-01-31 06:55:22 PM
1)man-caused global warming is a myth
2)this myth has been used to make money
3) the earth has warming and cooling trends that we, in our vanity, can never hope to effect

grabbing popcorn,
watching intently for the foolish to clash with the fanatic
 
2010-01-31 06:57:02 PM
redonkulon: This is what I've been wondering for a few years. Since H2O is a greenhouse gas, albiet not as potent as CO2, hydrogen fuel cells are aren`t that much better than gas engines?

\just sayin


1) Hydrocarbon combustion also produces water vapor.

2) Tropopheric water vapor concentration more or less marches with the temperature-- inject a ton of it, and it just rains back down somewhere.
 
2010-01-31 06:57:35 PM
Dufus: Yeah, that was suggested a decade or so ago and the scientists responsible were berated by the "It's all due to CO2 from humans and cow burps" crowd as being "global warming deniers". I wonder what the backlash for this report will be?

You forgot the termites (new window). See I'm conflicted: as much as I believe in global warming I'm wondering if we hadn't just quit using wood and gone with petro-chemical plastics for building then maybe everything would've have been okay.

/makes popcorn in anxious anticipation of more graphs.
 
2010-01-31 06:58:51 PM
BlippityBleep: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: There's nothing we can do about global warming anyway, so who the fark cares?

Ahh, the New AmericanTM. Defeatist, cowardly, lazy, and unthinking. Awesome.


This is a sad sad truth for at least some of the country.
 
2010-01-31 06:59:06 PM
redonkulon: This is what I've been wondering for a few years. Since H2O is a greenhouse gas, albiet not as potent as CO2, hydrogen fuel cells are aren`t that much better than gas engines?

\just sayin


Unless water had some way of leaving the upper atmosphere easier than carbon dioxide. I can't hos imagine such a thing could happen.

/Looks outside at a rainstorm.
//No idea at all.
 
2010-01-31 07:00:35 PM
wildsnowllama: I can't hos imagine such a thing could happen.

Hell! I can't even proofread! I'm so confused!
 
2010-01-31 07:10:37 PM
When the aliens from Signs return and start making Cheddar Bay Biscuits (TM) out of the human race because there's no water to stop 'em, don't come crying to me.
 
2010-01-31 07:10:42 PM
HOORAY! We're not responsible!

Let the environmental destruction continue :)

/I don't get it
//What do we lose by being more conscientious of being good stewards of the ecosystem in which we *live*
///The Earth doesn't give a fark about us
////It'll be fine no matter what we do it, we're the ones that suffer, not Earth
 
2010-01-31 07:11:18 PM
BlippityBleep: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: There's nothing we can do about global warming anyway, so who the fark cares?

Ahh, the New AmericanTM. Defeatist, cowardly, lazy, and unthinking. Awesome.


HEY! At least we're not French, dammit.
 
2010-01-31 07:11:46 PM
chimp_ninja: redonkulon: This is what I've been wondering for a few years. Since H2O is a greenhouse gas, albiet not as potent as CO2, hydrogen fuel cells are aren`t that much better than gas engines?

\just sayin

1) Hydrocarbon combustion also produces water vapor.

2) Tropopheric water vapor concentration more or less marches with the temperature-- inject a ton of it, and it just rains back down somewhere.


and it also causes global warming. How many times have people pointed this out to you and how many times have you denied it??
 
2010-01-31 07:12:06 PM
What do you mean "finally".

Reasonable people knew this all along but the fan boys just put their fingers in their ears and said "CO2! CO2!"

Gee, even Beck and Hannity kept pointing this out.

Water vapor is the most prevalent green house gas.
 
2010-01-31 07:14:50 PM
astrotri: HOORAY! We're not responsible!

Let the environmental destruction continue :)

/I don't get it
//What do we lose by being more conscientious of being good stewards of the ecosystem in which we *live*
///The Earth doesn't give a fark about us
////It'll be fine no matter what we do it, we're the ones that suffer, not Earth


It is not that hard to understand.
People who are "deniers" still believe in conservation, recycling, etc.
But that is a far cry from "CO2 is evil and we need to restructure the economy."
 
2010-01-31 07:15:17 PM
astrotri: we're the ones that suffer, not Earth

Just about every single large carnivore and herbivore on the planet is in danger of going extinct. It'll take Earth a while to recover from our little sojourn here.
 
2010-01-31 07:17:24 PM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: When the aliens from Signs return and start making Cheddar Bay Biscuits (TM) out of the human race because there's no water to stop 'em, don't come crying to me.

Mmm...cheddar biscuits.
 
2010-01-31 07:18:07 PM
BlippityBleep: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: There's nothing we can do about global warming anyway, so who the fark cares?

Ahh, the New AmericanTM. Defeatist, cowardly, lazy, and unthinking. Awesome.


You're a Bush supporter, huh?
 
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