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(Boston Globe) Interesting Billboards urge Massachusetts residents to buy their beer in tax-free New Hampshire, an act punishable by a year in jail if police ever run out of other laws to enforce   (boston.com) divider line 101
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2010-01-31 12:12:26 PM
Authorities would tend to only crack down if people are engaging in commercial-scale smuggling operations. They are unlikely to notice or care if you have a six-pack or two.

Just like running cigarettes from Virginia to points north. When the price difference is $4-5 per pack then it can be highly profitable.
 
2010-01-31 12:17:31 PM
That seems like a violation of the Commerce Clause, doesn't it?
 
2010-01-31 12:29:23 PM
It's like that in Utah. We are bordered by Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, Colorado and Wyoming. The state of Utah in it's socialistic bent is the sole distributor of alcohol (except 3.2 beer) Most people I know make a run for the border every month or so. We do not want to pay tax and markup to support the mormon theocracy.


/mormons
 
2010-01-31 12:51:01 PM
So Mass. is 75 years behind the south by having ordinary people hiding from the revenuers.
Nice
 
2010-01-31 01:10:32 PM
wineskigolf: It's like that in Utah. We are bordered by Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, Colorado and Wyoming. The state of Utah in it's socialistic bent is the sole distributor of alcohol (except 3.2 beer) Most people I know make a run for the border every month or so. We do not want to pay tax and markup to support the mormon theocracy.


/mormons


"But in this complex world of fascism that was Utah state policy, we had only one choice if we wanted real beer.

Choice B, Wyoming."
 
2010-01-31 01:47:13 PM
"Are we going to camp along the border in the hope that we're going to see evidence of someone carrying a closed container of alcohol into Massachusetts for personal consumption? That would be ludicrous,'' said David Procopio, a State Police spokesman. "That would not be intelligent policing.

hmm. I wonder what happens if we change the wording a bit...

"Are we going to camp along the border in the hope that we're going to see evidence of someone carrying 3 ounces of pot into Massachusetts for personal consumption? That would be ludicrous,'' said David Procopio, a State Police spokesman. "That would not be intelligent policing.
 
2010-01-31 02:12:59 PM
Weaver95: someone carrying 3 ounces of pot into Massachusetts for personal consumption

That's a lot of pot, Stoner95.

/in Massachusetts, you can have up to 1 ounce of pot on you with no criminal penalty.
 
2010-01-31 02:18:17 PM
Oh, and...
Rick Comeau, manager of Shamrock Liquors in Haverhill, wasn't happy when Massachusetts instituted a sales tax on alcohol last summer. But what upsets Comeau even more are the billboards plastered across his city that encourage people to buy their alcohol in tax-free New Hampshire, just a few miles away.

Fark you, Rick Comeau. Back in 2006, there was a Massachusetts ballot initiative to allow communities to license grocery stores to sell beer and wine, and you farking liquor stores ponied up a lot of money to defeat it. Now I can't pick up a bottle of wine with some steaks, but have to make separate trips. It wouldn't have impacted your liquor sales either, just beer and wine. If you can't compete in the market without passing laws to protect your monopoly, you deserve to fail.
 
2010-01-31 02:19:52 PM
Theaetetus: /in Massachusetts, you can have up to 1 ounce of pot on you with no criminal penalty.

But don't be carrying one ounce in two bags, as I understand it.
 
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2010-01-31 03:10:14 PM
DarthBrooks

The 21st Amendment was generally understood to give states full authority to regulate alcohol. In recent years the Supreme Court has basically repealed the 21st Amendment except to the extent that it repealed the 18th. (Wikipedia info)
 
2010-01-31 04:16:22 PM
www.topropetalk.com
I hope you can see this, I'm doing it as hard as I can
 
2010-01-31 04:22:41 PM
As an NH resident I have this to say to all Massholes. Yes, come buy your booze from us, then GO farkING HOME!
 
2010-01-31 04:26:54 PM
The government only likes the free market system when there's no down sides.

Problem: People aren't willing to pay several dollars more per unit purchase in taxes, so they go a few miles away to another state.

Solution: Make it a felony and set up checkpoints! Increased revenue from the legal system as well.
 
2010-01-31 04:28:03 PM
EVERYTHING IS ILLEGAL IS MASSACHUSETTS

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2010-01-31 04:29:56 PM
Kansas had 3.2 beer and Missouri had 5.0 and Sunday sales. But when I turned 18 I was sure every store in KC MO was staked out, because ... because it sounds too easy, man.
 
2010-01-31 04:30:04 PM
Running hooch ? this bada$$ dude would like a word...
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2010-01-31 04:30:39 PM
That would be ludicrous,' said David Procopio, a State Police spokesman. "That would not be intelligent policing.

He needs to speak with Officer Teach to be schooled in 'intelligent policing'. I'm sure there's money to be made somewhere in enforcing the law so they can purchase new equipment and free officers up for other duties making us safer. Now that would be intelligent policing.
 
2010-01-31 04:36:44 PM
Flagrant disregard for liquor laws and crossing state lines to score beer?

www.edmunds.com

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2010-01-31 04:37:26 PM
okami36: As an NH resident I have this to say to all Massholes. Yes, come buy your booze from us, then GO farkING HOME!

Fine with me. I'll stay right here. New Hampshire is only good for two things. Fireworks and cheap beer.
 
2010-01-31 04:37:39 PM
FREEDOM!!!
 
2010-01-31 04:39:33 PM
It's a *hic* Trap!
 
2010-01-31 04:41:53 PM
If the law isn't enforced then why has it not been repealed?
 
2010-01-31 04:42:38 PM
Ed Willy: Flagrant disregard for liquor laws and crossing state lines to score beer?



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He was hauling Coors. That's not beer. I remember when it wasn't available everywhere and it was the cool thing to have. People would ship it from Colorado. Now people don't even go to the 7-Eleven to buy it.
 
2010-01-31 04:45:00 PM
'intelligent policing' ??? Is that an 'oxymoron'?

If it becomes lucrative enough for the police to enforce this they will and they will just hide behind the old 'the law is the law' talk (unless it's one of their own that gets caught in which case the law suddenly becomes a living breathing document and must be seen as something that dicretion has a place in). Speaking of oxymorons .. this is my fav...
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2010-01-31 04:47:58 PM
ozzie_stu: Running hooch ? this bada$$ dude would like a word...



Banner: Are you the beer baron?
Comic Book Guy: Yes, but only by night. By day, I'm a mild-mannered reporter for a major Metropolitan newspaper.
Banner: Don't crack wise with me, tubby!
Comic Book Guy: Tubby? Oh yes, tubby.


Banner: Are you the beer baron??
Ned: Well, if you're talking about root beer, I plead guilt- diddily-ildly as char-didily-arged!
Banner: He's not the baron, but he sounds drunk. Take him in.


Banner: Listen, rummy, I'm gonna say it plain and simple. Where'd you pinch the hooch? Is some blind tiger jerking suds on the side?
Barney: Yes...?


/Best episode ever!
 
2010-01-31 04:50:06 PM
There have been run-ins with the law before. A few years back, Main State Troopers used to watch customers at the NH Liquor Store on I-95 in Portsmouth. If they were filling their car and heading across the bridge to Maine, they got stopped.

One poor NH resident bought six cases of wine, then decided to visit a friend across the border. IIRC, he was relieved of all his alcohol and brought up on charges. He drinks a lot of wine, and was intending to consume it all himself, but the authorities didn't see it that way.
 
2010-01-31 04:51:09 PM
Well... does the signs have lights on it? If so, then it probably has a power source, wiring, and electrical tape. Hence it's a bomb, just like the light brites they blew up on this date in 2007.

1/31/07. Never forget.
 
2010-01-31 05:02:30 PM
So how do they enforce those laws? Is there a big sign on the highway that says "Welcome to Massachusetts. No outside food or drink permitted."
 
2010-01-31 05:04:29 PM
mizchief: So how do they enforce those laws? Is there a big sign on the highway that says "Welcome to Massachusetts. No outside food or drink permitted."

They could have the TSA stand a the border crossings to ensure that you aren't carrying liquids larger than 3oz. And then have the BDSM-addicted security officer take nekkid pics of your kids.
 
2010-01-31 05:05:28 PM
its been 10 years since i lived there but pennsylvania taxmen would nail people going to maryland for booze. they could charge by the individual bottle/can. i think the fine was $25 per item. so if they felt like it they'd charge you the $25 for every can of beer.
 
2010-01-31 05:08:59 PM
mizchief: So how do they enforce those laws? Is there a big sign on the highway that says "Welcome to Massachusetts. No outside food or drink permitted."

Not sure what you mean. Just because there isn't a sign about it doesn't mean it isn't against the law. Seems like if you buy hooch in NH you'd be wise to put it in your trunk for the trip back to MA.
 
2010-01-31 05:15:06 PM
DarthBrooks: That seems like a violation of the Commerce Clause, doesn't it?

The Commerce Clause is trumped by the 21st Amendment, as far as alcohol goes.
 
2010-01-31 05:15:31 PM
Reminds me of Pennsylvania's Fair Use Tax. Upon return from Europe, a traveler is expected to report anything brought back and pay a 6% tax to the state.
Legislatively legal doesn't make it correct, just convienient.
 
2010-01-31 05:16:55 PM
Is it even more ironic that the NH liquor stores are all state run?
 
2010-01-31 05:19:28 PM
The only reasons anyone I ever knew had to go to Indiana (besides driving through it) were for alcohol, tobacco, and fireworks.

Living for a number of months on the border, I'd say that's pretty accurate.

starlost: its been 10 years since i lived there but pennsylvania taxmen would nail people going to maryland for booze. they could charge by the individual bottle/can. i think the fine was $25 per item. so if they felt like it they'd charge you the $25 for every can of beer.

[low whistle] Wow. I managed to bring back at least a dozen cheap bottles of duty free vodka over the border, two at a time (one for me, one for my friend), before I got pulled over to pay the duty in Canada. Apparently you have to spend a full 24 hours there to bring back a bottle per person duty free, and not just a night, oops. Even then the duty was under $25.
 
2010-01-31 05:20:16 PM
If you live in northern MA and are not smart enough to buy your alcohol in NH, then a billboard won't help.

Some years ago MA State Police were in NH watching for MA cars buying fireworks. They stopped after NH threatened to start arresting them.

/buys his soda in NH to avoid the MA deposit
//bonus: most cans in NH are marked for MA refund already so I get a 5 cent rebate
 
2010-01-31 05:23:05 PM
Panty Sniffer: Ed Willy: Flagrant disregard for liquor laws and crossing state lines to score beer?



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He was hauling Coors. That's not beer. I remember when it wasn't available everywhere and it was the cool thing to have. People would ship it from Colorado. Now people don't even go to the 7-Eleven to buy it.


"Well, placin' you under arrest for transportin' alcoholic beverages across state lines without the proper permits. And that means you, you dumb cowboy. You know truckin' Coors beer east of Texas is bootleggin'. - This here's Georgia, son."
 
2010-01-31 05:27:50 PM
Technically you're supposed to pay the tax to your state for stuff that you bought outside of the state, but no one really does except for really major purchases you can get seriously busted for (eg cars).

Also, I live in PA, so whenever I visit my parents in Maryland, I bring beer back for my roommate. Of course, I don't do it for tax reasons... friggin' retarded beer laws in this state.
 
2010-01-31 05:32:45 PM
Sudlow: Some years ago MA State Police were in NH watching for MA cars buying fireworks. They stopped after NH threatened to start arresting them.

IL state police do that on the IN border. They call in the IL license plate numbers to their coworkers on the IL side. IL is really a "no fun" fireworks state. I think the only things you can have are those stupid snakes, caps, and those things you throw against the ground that make a small popping noise. Well, sparklers are permitted unless you are in Chicago. Because you know, Chicago kids cannot figure out that a stick of burning magnesium might be hot.
 
2010-01-31 05:34:38 PM
Sudlow: If you live in northern MA and are not smart enough to buy your alcohol in NH, then a billboard won't help.

Some years ago MA State Police were in NH watching for MA cars buying fireworks. They stopped after NH threatened to start arresting them.

/buys his soda in NH to avoid the MA deposit
//bonus: most cans in NH are marked for MA refund already so I get a 5 cent rebate


So MA's sole purpose in life is to make New Hampshire more attractive?
 
2010-01-31 05:46:12 PM
Barakku: Sudlow: If you live in northern MA and are not smart enough to buy your alcohol in NH, then a billboard won't help.

Some years ago MA State Police were in NH watching for MA cars buying fireworks. They stopped after NH threatened to start arresting them.

/buys his soda in NH to avoid the MA deposit
//bonus: most cans in NH are marked for MA refund already so I get a 5 cent rebate

So MA's sole purpose in life is to make New Hampshire more attractive?


Pretty much.
 
2010-01-31 05:48:37 PM
While the law itself is pretty idiotic, I'm rather surprised that the Massachusetts state government lets the NH beer-sellers get away with putting up billboards in Massachusetts suggesting that Massachusetts residents break it.

It is incitement to criminal activity, regardless of how de minimus the crime is.
 
2010-01-31 05:49:11 PM
I'm drinking strong Belgian beer, so I'm really getting a medium-strength tickle on the nipples out of this thread.
 
2010-01-31 05:50:31 PM
Panty Sniffer: Well, sparklers are permitted unless you are in Chicago. Because you know, Chicago kids cannot figure out that a stick of burning magnesium might be hot.

I snuck sparklers into an outdoor festival in Chicago a number of years back, so I'm getting a kick out of the fact that I apparently broke the law. They were banned from the festival, but then again, so was everything else (pretty much everything except money and two bottles of water) so I didn't really care.

Seriously, effing sparklers?
 
2010-01-31 05:53:28 PM
Blah blah blah free market blah blah blah
 
2010-01-31 05:55:49 PM
Sudlow: If you live in northern MA and are not smart enough to buy your alcohol in NH, then a billboard won't help.

Some years ago MA State Police were in NH watching for MA cars buying fireworks. They stopped after NH threatened to start arresting them.

/buys his soda in NH to avoid the MA deposit
//bonus: most cans in NH are marked for MA refund already so I get a 5 cent rebate


What they do now is sit in the fireworks stores parking lots unmarked and radio ahead to officers at the state line. At least that's how they do it at the Seabrook/Salisbury line. From what I hear if you're smart enough, you'll drive around that Rt. 1/I-95 area because they'll only follow you so far.

Also, buying ANYTHING in NH is illegal if you live in MA, unless of course you report it on your taxes. Apparently they want to start cracking down on this too. Welcome to Taxachusetts.

/moving outta state after graduation
//probably to NH
 
2010-01-31 06:01:16 PM
Sure, you can come up here to New Hampshire and buy at the boring old state liquor stores. But only Massachusetts has this:

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2010-01-31 06:01:26 PM
StreetlightInTheGhetto: Panty Sniffer: Well, sparklers are permitted unless you are in Chicago. Because you know, Chicago kids cannot figure out that a stick of burning magnesium might be hot.

I snuck sparklers into an outdoor festival in Chicago a number of years back, so I'm getting a kick out of the fact that I apparently broke the law. They were banned from the festival, but then again, so was everything else (pretty much everything except money and two bottles of water) so I didn't really care.

Seriously, effing sparklers?


Heh. I looked at your profile and you mention sparklers in Chicago. It is a new law, I think passed last year, so you are not a criminal.
 
2010-01-31 06:04:09 PM
okami36: As an NH resident I have this to say to all Massholes. Yes, come buy your booze from us, then GO farkING HOME!

I thank you and your state for being somewhat of a barrier between them and us here in Maine.
 
2010-01-31 06:05:39 PM
Everything's illegal in Massachusetts
 
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