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(TSN)   Leafs trade for former franchise player that hasn't done anything for year, give up youth in return. This is a repeat from this Summer. And last year, and the year before, and as far back as subby can remember   (sportsnet.ca) divider line 92
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2010-01-31 01:55:06 PM
...AND trading for JS Giguere... it's like shuffling the deck chairs AND putting a new coating of floor wax on the Titanic.
 
2010-01-31 01:59:16 PM
wow, taking Calgary's sloppy seconds. yup, that'll fix EVERYTHING for the Leafs.

//championship!
 
2010-01-31 02:04:03 PM
Roger Arseways: wow, taking Calgary's sloppy seconds. yup, that'll fix EVERYTHING for the Leafs.

//championship!



Heh. Well played.
 
2010-01-31 02:09:32 PM
In another trade, they are getting a Conn Smythe winning goalie for Vesa 'the sieve' Toskala, and Blake who is having quite the awful season. Most of those leaf players have really been underperforming (who on the team hasn't?), can't skate, can't pass, can't hit a one-timer into the net, always in the wrong spot to hit rebounds etc.. Not saying this will fix everything, but hopefully these new guys will have a little more chemistry with Ron Wilson. The lack of Kaberle trade is notable, it looks like Burke is trying to build the team around him and Kessel now. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, the Canucks are absolutely dominating and Burke was largely responsible for putting that team together.

Only time will tell though.. and Ian White has been a bright spot on their roster of late. Giving him up may very well bite us in the ass, even with all the additional defensive depth.

It also looks like we're running short on centers. I wonder if Phaneuf will get some time on the front line?
 
2010-01-31 02:10:24 PM
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is not impressed.

Go Sabres. Fark the Leafs.
 
2010-01-31 02:10:56 PM
Not that I'm saying it's a good or bad trade, but I'm not sure you can call many of who we traded "youth" given how long some of them have been dressing for the Leafs. That said, Hagman was a guy who could put up solid numbers even for a crap team, I'll miss him.

I don't even know what the ducks were thinking, taking Toskala and Blake's hugeass contract (ass-contract?).
 
2010-01-31 02:15:50 PM
Terrible.

/Go Canucks!!
//Wanted Stajan for our third line
 
2010-01-31 02:19:32 PM
The Ducks actually do okay by this. They get rid of JSG's contract, get Toskola's expiring contract, and get a second line winger who won't be counted on to carry the whole load (that's what Getzlaf, Perry, and Ryan are for).

The Flames get some secondary scoring (maybe) and gain some long-term cap flexibility.

The Leafs... well, they get a goalie who is probably better than what they have at the moment, and a defenceman who isn't totally talentless... but I'm not sure JSG, Phaneuf, Kaberle and Kessel is going to get them anywhere. I assume Burke has a plan, but I have no idea what it is.

Immediate winner: Anaheim
Immediate not-so-much: Leafs
 
2010-01-31 02:19:45 PM
CLambe: is not impressed.

Go Sabres. Fark the Leafs.


Can't wait to see what Ruff has planned. I'd like to see the last of Steve Montadour. God that guy is a blight on the ice. Mair is iffy too but has moments of brilliance and is a very reliable forechecker. Vanek has been underperforming given his contract but who knows if it's viable to get rid of him.

I'd really like to see the Sabres pick up a bonafide superstar, someone who you can count on to put the puck in when you need it most. Given how many setup guys the Sabres have, I think Kovalchuk might not be a bad postseason rental. I would love to see the sabres pick up Stamkos, LeCavalier, Marleau, Gaborik (heh) , Toews, Dustin Brown (mostly cuz I love watching that guy play) or someone along those lines consistency-wise. Marleau is about to become a free agent I believe...

I don't think it's gonna happen but I want the Sabres to win the cup this year. I'd take the hike up to Buffalo for the party.
 
2010-01-31 02:20:15 PM
Wow...Calgary made off like bandits in that deal. Aside from some extra scoring punch, they even got Mayers, one of the few Leafs who isn't a flaming pussy.
 
2010-01-31 02:20:57 PM
Roger Arseways: wow, taking Calgary's sloppy seconds. yup, that'll fix EVERYTHING for the Leafs.

Bah, that was pretty much the gist of the one I submitted. Either it sucked or I wasn't quick enough.
 
2010-01-31 02:21:22 PM
Can't quite tell what the flames were thinking. Stajan ain't that great, but at least dion the douche will be out of the NW. Eat it flames, go Avs, and don't get to comfy nucks.
 
2010-01-31 02:23:18 PM
Syllabic: CLambe: is not impressed.



Can't wait to see what Ruff has planned.




Probably a helluva lot of whining.
 
2010-01-31 02:27:11 PM
Roger Arseways: wow, taking Calgary's sloppy seconds.

Careful: the NHL could suspend you indefinitely for such a horror.
 
2010-01-31 02:28:57 PM
Syllabic: I'd really like to see the Sabres pick up a bonafide superstar, someone who you can count on to put the puck in when you need it most. Given how many setup guys the Sabres have, I think Kovalchuk might not be a bad postseason rental. I would love to see the sabres pick up Stamkos, LeCavalier, Marleau, Gaborik (heh) , Toews, Dustin Brown (mostly cuz I love watching that guy play) or someone along those lines consistency-wise. Marleau is about to become a free agent I believe...

While it's clear that's what they need, I'm not sure they need it quite as much as you might think. The problem with the Sabres over the last 3 seasons has been blowing 3rd period leads and this year, for once, they've been controlling well late in the game. I agree about Vanek but I think he's just grossly overpaid, he should be kept around though. I'm not ready to toss him out like they did with Max. After last season it was clear that defense was the problem and I think they've figured that out quite nicely so far. Of course it'd be great to add a sniper and I fully expect them to be heavy buyers at the deadline. they'll find a few gems in the western conference bargain bin.

//then again, this is Buffalo so just as soon as a little confidence returns and is justified by the play on the ice... we all know what happens next.
 
2010-01-31 02:29:03 PM
Sorry but the Leafs didn't give up any youth, Calgary did. Leafs gain Audie and Sjorstrom who has a lot more potential than White and Stajan. Also Dion is a lot younger than Hagman. I would say the Leafs outright won that trade, while losing the Blake, Toskala, Giguere trade.
 
2010-01-31 02:31:52 PM
I'm going on record as saying this is a stupid trade for the Flames.

Back in the day, Scott Stevens was a good young physical defenseman for the St. Louis Blues. They traded him to Washington, where he became a superstar. The same thing is going to happen with Phaneuf. Mark my words.
 
2010-01-31 02:35:43 PM
imacoolguy: Sorry but the Leafs didn't give up any youth, Calgary did. Leafs gain Audie and Sjorstrom who has a lot more potential than White and Stajan. Also Dion is a lot younger than Hagman. I would say the Leafs outright won that trade, while losing the Blake, Toskala, Giguere trade.

I'd say both teams did alright, but it'll take the rest of the season to see who actually 'won' the trade. The Flames get Stajan and Mayers as rental secondary scoring, Hagman as a decent player for a couple of years, and White if they want to keep him. The Leafs get a prospect (Aulie is not going to be better than a depth defenceman at best) and a cheap checker (Sjostrom is what he is... he's old enough that the 'potential' has been reached) in addition to a guy who may or may not live up to his contract.

The Flames got a good short-term boost. The Leafs took a chance and may or may not have helped themselves down the road.
 
2010-01-31 02:37:18 PM
FreakinB: Roger Arseways: wow, taking Calgary's sloppy seconds. yup, that'll fix EVERYTHING for the Leafs.

Bah, that was pretty much the gist of the one I submitted. Either it sucked or I wasn't quick enough.


The mods probably didn't get what you were referencing.
 
2010-01-31 02:37:42 PM
Brokenseas: I'm going on record as saying this is a stupid trade for the Flames.

Back in the day, Scott Stevens was a good young physical defenseman for the St. Louis Blues. They traded him to Washington, where he became a superstar. The same thing is going to happen with Phaneuf. Mark my words.


Except that Scott Stevens was a good defenseman, not a highlight reel seeking moron. Dion Phaneuf taking up 6.5M of cap room is retarded.

Cap numbers:
Kessel: 5.4M
Phaneuf: 6.5M
Giguere: 7.0M

Good luck rebuilding with those handcuffs Burkie. Also, is it just me, or is Ian White better than Phaneuf? And only a year older. I really don't understand this trade.
 
2010-01-31 02:40:17 PM
Not happy as a Flames fan. Was this really the best they could get for Phaneuf?

WTH Sutter!? Stupid inbred hillbilly
 
2010-01-31 02:43:53 PM
Brokenseas: I'm going on record as saying this is a stupid trade for the Flames.

Back in the day, Scott Stevens was a good young physical defenseman for the St. Louis Blues. They traded him to Washington, where he became a superstar. The same thing is going to happen with Phaneuf. Mark my words.


Uh, no.

Stevens was drafted by the Caps (5th overall in 1982) and signed with the Blues as a restricted free agent in 1990. He was then awarded to the New Jersey Devils in 1991 as compensation for the Blues signing Brendan Shanahan (also a restricted free agent) away from the Devils.

Scott Stevens was never 'traded' in the conventional sense.

The Stevens/Phaneuf comparison is a bit outdated. I'd go more for something like Ozolinsh/Phaneuf or maybe Markov/Phaneuf at best.
 
2010-01-31 02:44:40 PM
Brokenseas: I'm going on record as saying this is a stupid trade for the Flames.

Back in the day, Scott Stevens was a good young physical defenseman for the St. Louis Blues. They traded him to Washington, where he became a superstar. The same thing is going to happen with Phaneuf. Mark my words.


I was under the impression there were some chemistry issues involving Phaneuf and the rest of the team. If so, I don't care what his "potential" is; you get rid of him, especially when even w/o him and no additions this is still a quality team when their heads are screwed on straight.

Besides the dude has had 5 or so years to figure out how to at least play fundamental defense and learn basic positioning and still can't grasp it...he either (a) needs a change of scenery (so it never would have materialized in Calgary anyway), or (b) doesn't give a sh*t and just wants to be a playboy banging Hollywood A-listers and masturbating to his highlights on TSN.
 
2010-01-31 02:46:07 PM
Good Riddance Phaneuf...I think the rumours of Phaneuf being a bit of a cancer may have been true.

You don't trade a guy like Phaneuf unless you've got a very, very good reason...there must have been a good reason.

It's a good thing...all the whiners have Phaneuf jerseys.
 
2010-01-31 02:50:05 PM
CLambe: is not impressed.

Go Sabres. Fark the Leafs.


Fark you and ur phony farking fairweather franchise.
 
2010-01-31 02:50:34 PM
I don't think the deal is completely crazy
Calgary needed some more scoring, they got more scoring
They replaced Phaneuf with White, but that downgrade is smaller than the offensive upgrade
They got cap space
They got some depth (4 NHLers for 1)
All the contracts are short term, so Calgary traded to have an impact now vs in a few years (eg giving up Aulie)
How short term it ends up depends on if Sutter uses the cap space to re-sign players, or if they make a run for another signing


I'm not too sure what Burke is thinking. Ideally he is taking on low value big salary hits now, while upgrading the future. I have no idea who they're going to call up because they have a depleted farm system, otherwise it would have been a good chance to get some guys some NHL experience. He can absolutely get deals done, but he needs to be flashy and will have no problems eating the seed corn.


Anaheim was a clear winner on their deal
 
2010-01-31 02:57:20 PM
Brokenseas: I'm going on record as saying this is a stupid trade for the Flames.

Back in the day, Scott Stevens was a good young physical defenseman for the St. Louis Blues. They traded him to Washington, where he became a superstar. The same thing is going to happen with Phaneuf. Mark my words.


Stevens played for Washington before he played or St. Louis. And he was good from the moment he stepped into the league. He had his best years in Washington, in fact. And Phaneuf is already on the decline, and is grossly overpaid. So what you're saying is basically completely batshiat insane and nonsensical.
 
2010-01-31 02:58:50 PM
The Shoveller: Brokenseas: I'm going on record as saying this is a stupid trade for the Flames.

Back in the day, Scott Stevens was a good young physical defenseman for the St. Louis Blues. They traded him to Washington, where he became a superstar. The same thing is going to happen with Phaneuf. Mark my words.

Uh, no.

Stevens was drafted by the Caps (5th overall in 1982) and signed with the Blues as a restricted free agent in 1990. He was then awarded to the New Jersey Devils in 1991 as compensation for the Blues signing Brendan Shanahan (also a restricted free agent) away from the Devils.

Scott Stevens was never 'traded' in the conventional sense.

The Stevens/Phaneuf comparison is a bit outdated. I'd go more for something like Ozolinsh/Phaneuf or maybe Markov/Phaneuf at best.



Doh! Screwed up on my timeline.


Killer Cars:

Besides the dude has had 5 or so years to figure out how to at least play fundamental defense and learn basic positioning and still can't grasp it...he either (a) needs a change of scenery (so it never would have materialized in Calgary anyway), or (b) doesn't give a sh*t and just wants to be a playboy banging Hollywood A-listers and masturbating to his highlights on TSN.



The dude excelled as an NHL defenceman at the age of 19, straight out of major junior. NHL defencemen don't usually "get it" until they are 25 or 26.


GP G A P

2009-10 Calgary NHL 55 10 12 22
2008-09 Calgary NHL 80 11 36 47
2007-08 Calgary NHL 82 17 43 60
2006-07 Calgary NHL 79 17 33 50
2005-06 Calgary NHL 82 20 29 49


The guy is a crushing physical presence who will give you 15-20 goals and 50-60 points a year. Is he going to be the next Scott Stevens? Maybe not, but as a Flames fan, I fear the answer is "very possibly."
 
2010-01-31 03:00:12 PM
I think it's a good move by Burke. People don't come out to watch a perennial loser and sometimes bringing in a bigger name will put some extra butts in the seats.

/oh right, it's Toronto...
//Avs fan and glad they won't be facing Phaneuf's reckless thuggery anymore
 
2010-01-31 03:02:53 PM
It's more than needing to get rid of Phaneuf because Sutter paid full price on the contract, or because Phaneuf is a cancer in the room, or because Phaneuf's best years are behind him


Calgary desperately needed depth + scoring. It was plain as day before the season began, but Sutter has no foresight -- he is the only GM to have been unable to ice a full roster because of salary cap limits. Know what else? Guess who is responsible for the lack of good scouting. Their biggest success has been signing Nigel Dawes off waivers. It won't happen for another year or two, but missing the playoffs will eventually get the Sutters banned from the franchise
 
2010-01-31 03:04:59 PM
Calgary gets out of Phaneuf's contract, which they were probably forced to do. Things haven't been going well for him, and the hype was catching up to reality. He's a good D, but not that good ($7M). Big risk for the Leafs. He's a big-name, marquee player, but he's also the sort of guy who can become the next scapegoat in Toronto.

Calgary picks up some offensive depth that they desperately needed. Nothing flashy, but Stajan and Hagman can help in the goal department. They also get White, who is pretty damn good. And at the end of this season they get some cap relief.

I just don't understand why people think this was a clear Toronto win. I guess you see the big name and react to that, or expect a guy like Phaneuf to bring back a star, but that's rarely how trades work.

As for the other trade, pretty even. Toronto gets a goalie who has shown he has the goods. It's a risk getting Giguere, but I think he still has the stuff to earn his paycheck. Or Burke better hope so. Toskala goes the other way for balance, both in the wallet and the position. He's most likely gone to Europe next season. Anaheim gets saddled with Blake's contract, but it's better to be paying a guy who is playing than one who is on the bench most nights.

So while Burke got rid of some dead weight/salary, he also brought in a lot of salary back that could further handcuff the Leafs if they don't earn their keep. Time will tell if it pays off. As for the present - the Leafs have a serious lack of forwards now. Not that the ones they had were doing much, but it ain't gonna get any better this season.
 
2010-01-31 03:07:23 PM
fwiw I think Phaneuf still has good years ahead of him
Phaneuf's cap hit
but at a $6.5mn cap hit through 2013-2014 he's going to be an expensive chunk of the roster (salary cap is supposed to decline for next season, could take until the end of Phaneuf's contract for the salary cap to go up enough to make him good value again)
 
2010-01-31 03:10:47 PM
swahnhennessy: As for the present - the Leafs have a serious lack of forwards now. Not that the ones they had were doing much, but it ain't gonna get any better this season.

Maybe Burke turns around and deals Kaberle for a useful piece? He has a couple d-men that people would be interested in at the deadline, but I'm not sure what kind of cap space he's got left to work with.
 
2010-01-31 03:10:52 PM
Brokenseas: The Shoveller: Brokenseas:

GP G A P

2009-10 Calgary NHL 55 10 12 22
2008-09 Calgary NHL 80 11 36 47
2007-08 Calgary NHL 82 17 43 60
2006-07 Calgary NHL 79 17 33 50
2005-06 Calgary NHL 82 20 29 49


The guy is a crushing physical presence who will give you 15-20 goals and 50-60 points a year. Is he going to be the next Scott Stevens? Maybe not, but as a Flames fan, I fear the answer is "very possibly."


Except this year and last year.
 
2010-01-31 03:17:23 PM
GP G A Pts PIM
Jamal Mayers (new window)
44 2 6 8 78
Niklas Hagman (new window)
55 20 13 33 23
Matt Stajan (new window)
55 16 25 41 30
Ian White (new window)
56 9 17 26 39


2+20+16+9 = 47 goals
Jarome Iginla (new window)
55 24 27 51 47
Olli Jokinen (new window)
55 11 24 35 53
Dion Phaneuf (new window)
55 10 12 22 49


24+11+10=45 goals


So to put it another way, Calgary just added scoring equivalent to Phaneuf + Jokinen + Iginla
The Flames were lucky early in the season getting as many wins as they did because they were scoring as many goals as they were letting in. Now over 55 games their record reflects what is expected given their goal differential.
 
2010-01-31 03:22:16 PM
Giguere's contract won't hinder Toronto long-term. They basically traded away FA cap room in this year's weak UFA class for next year's UFA class. Don't know whether next year's will be any better, but considering Stajan was considered one of the better UFA forwards in this year's class I don't see how next year's could be any worse.

I could see The Monster being traded or allowed to walk. He's a RFA this year, so if any NHL teams were to sign him, Toronto would get Draft picks out of it.

I've also read elsewhere Toronto will get a First Round pick from Anaheim.

Another thing is that by acquiring Phaneuf and Aulin is that Toronto can now buyout Jeff Finger and replace him with Aulin from the AHL.
 
2010-01-31 03:24:25 PM
devioustrevor: Giguere's contract won't hinder Toronto long-term. They basically traded away FA cap room in this year's weak UFA class for next year's UFA class. Don't know whether next year's will be any better, but considering Stajan was considered one of the better UFA forwards in this year's class I don't see how next year's could be any worse.

I could see The Monster being traded or allowed to walk. He's a RFA this year, so if any NHL teams were to sign him, Toronto would get Draft picks out of it.

I've also read elsewhere Toronto will get a First Round pick from Anaheim.

Another thing is that by acquiring Phaneuf and Aulin is that Toronto can now buyout Jeff Finger and replace him with Aulin from the AHL.


Bwahahahahahaha. Forgot about that one.
 
2010-01-31 03:25:34 PM
Finger that is.
 
2010-01-31 03:27:45 PM
FireGuts: I don't even know what the ducks were thinking, taking Toskala and Blake's hugeass contract (ass-contract?).

Blake can be a serviceable forward and be a current replacement for Lupul while he comes back from surgery. Toskala will be gone at the end of the season, so there's money coming off the books. Clearly this was more of a salary dump than anything as now they won't be on the hook for $7 mil next year for Giggy to sit on the bench.
 
2010-01-31 03:31:33 PM
devioustrevor: I've also read elsewhere Toronto will get a First Round pick from Anaheim.

Not happening. Where the heck did you read that at?
 
2010-01-31 03:31:53 PM
Player / Goals / Cap Hit
Mayers / 2 / 1.33mn
White / 9 / 0.85mn
Hagman / 20 / 3mn
Stajan / 16 / 1.75mn
Forgetting about Mayers that adds up to 45 goals & 5.6mn


Phaneuf / 10 / 6.5mn
Iginla / 24 / 7mn
Jokinen / 11 / 5.25mn
45 goals & 18.75mn


The trade is going to have a more positive impact on Calgary, not only do they add those guys but the depth/balance/combinations/better attitude should raise the performance of other players. Anyone added to Toronto's roster today is not going to reverse the tide, so all they should care about is the impact 2-3 years from now and all they got was Aulie. Phaneuf might be useful as a marquee player, but I don't think he'll be making a difference for the success of the team


Sending Sjostrom is like including a bag of pucks in a deal. Just a warm body to fill out the holes in Toronto's roster. Low salary with an even lower value
 
2010-01-31 03:32:56 PM
Brokenseas: The dude excelled as an NHL defenceman at the age of 19, straight out of major junior. NHL defencemen don't usually "get it" until they are 25 or 26.

I wouldn't quote his offensive production as some sort of proof that he "excels" as a defenseman. He's very good at putting up offensive numbers because of his skill set, true.

However, at actually playing the "defensive" part of a being a defenseman, he's pretty...average, considering for almost every two or three big hits is a huge gaffe that ends up in a scoring chance for the other team.

Nicklas Lidstrom couldn't bodycheck a 5 year old, yet can play true defensive circles around Phaneuf any day of the week. Physical play != Great defense.
 
2010-01-31 03:34:17 PM
eazye1334: devioustrevor: I've also read elsewhere Toronto will get a First Round pick from Anaheim.

Not happening. Where the heck did you read that at?


A few guys at CBC and TSN at least were getting giddy on dreaming up a trade. At one point they were thinking Giguere + 1st round pick for Toskala which made no sense to anyone outside Toronto. Ended up as Gigure for Toskala + Blake
 
2010-01-31 03:50:21 PM
OK Subby ease my curiosity. Exactly which one of the Leafs players was a franchise player? Seriously, which one? Matt Stajan wasn't. Neither was Hagman or Mayers. Ian White is definitely underrated but not a franchise defenseman.
 
2010-01-31 04:00:28 PM
Flappyhead: OK Subby ease my curiosity. Exactly which one of the Leafs players was a franchise player? Seriously, which one? Matt Stajan wasn't. Neither was Hagman or Mayers. Ian White is definitely underrated but not a franchise defenseman.

'Leafs trade FOR former franchise player...'

I hope that helps clear things up for you. If not, let me know and we'll find someone to diagram it with MSPaint.
 
2010-01-31 04:04:02 PM
The Shoveller: Flappyhead: OK Subby ease my curiosity. Exactly which one of the Leafs players was a franchise player? Seriously, which one? Matt Stajan wasn't. Neither was Hagman or Mayers. Ian White is definitely underrated but not a franchise defenseman.

'Leafs trade FOR former franchise player...'

I hope that helps clear things up for you. If not, let me know and we'll find someone to diagram it with MSPaint.


Ech, my bad. The youth thing is still kinda funny, since all players involved are the same age, except Hagman and Mayers, who are older.
 
2010-01-31 04:20:44 PM
Misch: ...AND trading for JS Giguere... it's like shuffling the deck chairs AND putting a new coating of floor wax on the Titanic.

After watching Giggy stonewall my Sen's in the finals a few years ago, and having watched the Leafs not play a goalie for the past two or three seasons, I dunno. Giggy has the ability to win games all by himself - if Toronto can get him to play that way in the regular season, then they could be extremely dangerous in the playoffs, when Giggy seems to be at his best.

This might be a decent trade for the Leafs. I'm not going to discount it until the end of next season.
 
2010-01-31 04:33:47 PM
As a fan of both the Flames and Leafs, I am happy as I think that it will work out well for both teams (if Phaneuf can get his head out of his ass).

Short term - Flames win.
 
2010-01-31 04:37:31 PM
Flappyhead: The Shoveller: Flappyhead: OK Subby ease my curiosity. Exactly which one of the Leafs players was a franchise player? Seriously, which one? Matt Stajan wasn't. Neither was Hagman or Mayers. Ian White is definitely underrated but not a franchise defenseman.

'Leafs trade FOR former franchise player...'

I hope that helps clear things up for you. If not, let me know and we'll find someone to diagram it with MSPaint.

Ech, my bad. The youth thing is still kinda funny, since all players involved are the same age, except Hagman and Mayers, who are older.


I put in the youth thing to get the green, I admit.

These were admittedly not bad moves. I think Toronto wants to play the young guys for better or worse, let them develop in the NHL, and this clears out some forwards and at least gets a few decent players in return.

We'll see if Calgary actually got the scoring they needed, though.
 
2010-01-31 04:37:32 PM
Give up youth in return? The Leafs traded a 25, 26, 30, 32, 35 and a 36 year old for a 20, 24, 25, and a 32 year old. Subby fails.

In regards to the deals...

Phaneuf is having a decent year and he'll get lots of ice in Toronto and, very likely, is going to be on the receiving end of a lot of Kaberle pillow passes. If teams concentrate on Phaneuf, then that just frees up Beauchemin. Either way, the Leafs defence is a lot bigger, the only real soft touch being Kaberle and he's got other skills to compensate. In any case, I think Burke is looking to line up a menacing defense.

Sjostrom has upside as a checker and has some speed. In some ways, that's a bit of a even up for Mayers, so it's a 'meh' for me.

The Leafs give up Ian White, which is a bit of a bummer, but he's been hot and cold in Toronto for a long time now. He is, however, a lot tougher than he looks (Gary Roberts was quoted as saying that pound-for-pound, Ian White is the strongest guy in Toronto) and can score for you. Calgary will resign him I think.

Stajan and Hagman have some scoring upside, but are very streaky. The west is more physical, so that may factor in it in terms of their production. Another factor is that they will probably see less ice in Calgary and that will also drop their numbers. Look at Moore as prime example of this, looked like a really good option when he wore a Leaf jersey, but his production plummetted when his ice did in Buffalo and then he struggled to sign with anybody before landing in Florida. I'll actually be a little surprised if Calgary resigns Stajan in the summer.

As for the Anaheim deal... Giguere may have something in him still and, at the very least, has won something (Conn Smythe and a Cup) and that cannot be said of Toskala. Either way, it's added some heat to Gustavsson who was probably feeling safe with Toskala being the other option.

Now Blake, I'm definitely hot and cold on. He is overpaid, no doubt, but this year he's actually been one of the more energetic Leafs and he's clearly been trying hard, something that cannot be said of many of his teammates. Nevertheless, at the money he's making, you need more than 'try hard' as the end result. What I am surprised about is that somebody actually agreed to take his salary...
 
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