CapStormfield: Of course, the left ain't happy until we lose - which I always thought was strange. Don't they know that it is their heads that will be first to the chopping blocks if we go full Muslim?

There are a lot of very strange things with these two sentences.

sunbird: crim

relcec: Even if Iraq descended into chaos tomorrow and never recovered it could never be as bad as Vietnam.

As time passes, it might well go either way. Currently, our adventurism in the big sandbox appears to have had a more wide-ranging ripple effect than our time in the jungle. If the whole thing blows up into a worst-case scenario, it would be that much worse. I personally would have *loved* to have had an extra trillion dollars floating around and a bit more international legitimacy when all of those banks blew up, not to mention less international-crisis-induced volatility in petrol prices going into it.

Lionel Mandrake
Great...more batshiat fundies in America. Just what we need.

Thanks a lot.

You forget they're German, the batshiat doesn't come as standard in German fundie models.

sunbird: I wonder if all the fundies who are thrilled about this will feel when a German Muslim family pulls the same stunt

Except for opening the flood gates for more immigrants, I see nothing wrong with this,.

PunchDrunkPanda: CapStormfield: Of course, the left ain't happy until we lose - which I always thought was strange. Don't they know that it is their heads that will be first to the chopping blocks if we go full Muslim?

There are a lot of very strange things with these two sentences.

I'd say paranoid exaggeration. The radical Muslim fringe doesn't have the power to forcibly convert the US.

/Iraq was a con job
//If it's not split into 2 or 3 bickering states 5 years from now, I will be surprised

These fundies amaze me: they're so willing to push their views on others, but when people push back, they scream they're "under attack." We have enough of these Bible thumping scum in this country, why in the world do we need to bring them in from other nations?

I dislike public school administration yes, but fundies more

GaryPDX: verbal_jizm: GaryPDX: No more Public Socialist Indoctrination School for my kids or grandchildren.

You're just like the comics. Entertaining at the beginning but after a while, just so predictable.

We are free thinkers. Sorry that bothers you, comrade.

shower_in_my_socks: relcec: it's starting to appear like we will achieve our objectives in Iraq


Are you f*cking serious? We achieved our objectives in Iraq? After moving the goal posts how many times, exactly? Let's see...

4,000 Americans dead, thousands more seriously wounded, tens-of-thousands of dead Iraqis, and NO F*CKING WMD PROGRAM! Nothing! We went there because Iraq was supposed to be an "imminent threat," and it F*CKING WASN'T. We invaded an entire nation and ripped it to pieces for NOTHING.

Unbelievable that you're so retarded and shameless that you would publicly state that we've achieved our objectives in Iraq. We didn't achieve sh*t because our entire reason for invading turned out to be a giant load of bullshiat sold to the world by our own leaders. It is a folly unmatched in American history and our grandchildren will still be living it down 50 years from now.

I don't think you understand the world or politics.

Nice try though.

Lol, has the world always been this farking weird? The new lately has had some interesting items in it.

GaryPDX: My kids went to private school. No more Public Socialist Indoctrination School for my kids or grandchildren. Private School or Home School only.

/The divide widens.

And what, pray tell, is so bad about this "Public Socialist Indoctrination School" that we're striving for worldwide?

Seriously dude, it's time to stop living in a bubble and jump on the bandwagon that everyone else has hopped on. Not everyone believes in what you believe in, and as such, we'll make sure your children get taught the necessary knowledge that the rest of the world has subscribed to (psst! Whatever it is, it's NOT taught at your private Christianity sky-wizard school!). And with even more luck, we'll get rid of private schooling to make sure EVERYONE has the opportunity to learn the same huministic ideas we all ought to live by.

NewportBarGuy: CapStormfield: Militarily, GWB put the US in a great position and we have bases at critical points all across the most volatile region in the world.

Thank you, Professor Retard!

Goddamit! You'll make me wake up the kids! Not to mention spew beer all over the place!

/Diego Garcia was all we ever needed anyway...

El_Frijole_Blanco: GaryPDX: My kids went to private school. No more Public Socialist Indoctrination School for my kids or grandchildren. Private School or Home School only.

The private school I can understand but homeschooling is a recipe for a brood of morons

Really? I was homeschooled except for Kindergarten and 1st, and parts of 6th and 8th grade when I lived overseas with my dad. I went to a private high school. I did fine on my SATs, I got accepted to Annapolis (almost went), turned down MIT, got accepted to Berkeley and UCLA, probably would have gone to USC but it was too expensive, and got accepted to every other UC and CSU. I'm currently going to the highest ranked school for my major.

So am I a moron?

/getting these out of the way

GaryPDX: My kids went to private school. No more Public Socialist Indoctrination School for my kids or grandchildren. Private School or Home School only.

/The divide widens.

And you are willfully contributing to it. The coming balkinization of America is due to those like you.

ChiWhiteSox_56
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Hmm ... Nothing about fundie douchebags. No matter where this family goes, those kids won't get the chance to truly appreciate their freedom until they get out of their parents' house, provided they're not hopelessly brainwashed by then.

Parents don't always realize that the 'freedom of religion' part of the Bill of Rights applies to everyone - even their grown children.

// Bitter


I hear ya on that one. Freedom comes a high price, no person should have to choose between being happy and being accepted by their family.

/I chose happiness
//Home schooled
///I missed out on so much growing up
////Very bitter

SkyFlyer: 'm currently going to the highest ranked school for my major.

Where is the highest ranking school for Underwater Basket Weaving?

Of course, some homeschool due to not trusting a public school. Sometimes due to their own experiences in one.

Frankly, after hearing some of those experiences including a few fark articles over the years, I'm surprised I liked high school as much as I did.

okami36: SkyFlyer: 'm currently going to the highest ranked school for my major.

Where is the highest ranking school for Underwater Basket Weaving?

Har har har. Only communist, private liberal arts colleges offer that.

SkyFlyer: Really? I was homeschooled except for Kindergarten and 1st, and parts of 6th and 8th grade when I lived overseas with my dad. I went to a private high school. I did fine on my SATs, I got accepted to Annapolis (almost went), turned down MIT, got accepted to Berkeley and UCLA, probably would have gone to USC but it was too expensive, and got accepted to every other UC and CSU. I'm currently going to the highest ranked school for my major.

So am I a moron?

Why on earth would you apply to every UC and CSU? Wanted to have a fall back of Merced or Bakersfield?

Why stupid? They are out of the country. This is "Awesome".

SkyFlyer: El_Frijole_Blanco: GaryPDX: My kids went to private school. No more Public Socialist Indoctrination School for my kids or grandchildren. Private School or Home School only.

The private school I can understand but homeschooling is a recipe for a brood of morons

Really? I was homeschooled except for Kindergarten and 1st, and parts of 6th and 8th grade when I lived overseas with my dad. I went to a private high school. I did fine on my SATs, I got accepted to Annapolis (almost went), turned down MIT, got accepted to Berkeley and UCLA, probably would have gone to USC but it was too expensive, and got accepted to every other UC and CSU. I'm currently going to the highest ranked school for my major.

So am I a moron?

Unless you felt a real dedication to central coast surfing, probably yeah.

And also, note that you didn't go homeschooled the whole way...you likely picked up just enough social skills to really piss off your roommates by bragging about how you turned down MIT.

I want to be against home schooling, except that homeschoolers on average always seem to test better than public school inmates.

I'd still recommend Private Schooling, because without socialization, kids grow up to be creeps.

charkocu: Why stupid? They are out of the country. This is "Awesome".

..if you're German

Sabyen91: SkyFlyer: El_Frijole_Blanco: GaryPDX: My kids went to private school. No more Public Socialist Indoctrination School for my kids or grandchildren. Private School or Home School only.

The private school I can understand but homeschooling is a recipe for a brood of morons

Really? I was homeschooled except for Kindergarten and 1st, and parts of 6th and 8th grade when I lived overseas with my dad. I went to a private high school. I did fine on my SATs, I got accepted to Annapolis (almost went), turned down MIT, got accepted to Berkeley and UCLA, probably would have gone to USC but it was too expensive, and got accepted to every other UC and CSU. I'm currently going to the highest ranked school for my major.

So am I a moron?

Not necessarily a moron but you certainly didn't get the wonderful experiences of the wedgie and the swirlie. Most homeschooled are taught that way because their parents are anti-science. They are fundie nuts. If that is why you were home-schooled you probably didn't learn much in the way of useful science. If that is not the reason it is possible you received a good education.

Considering my father has a degree in math and a masters in comp sci, I think I received a decent education in all areas, including science. Most of the science you learn pre-HS is very basic anyway....

I don't think it's necessary to experience a wedgie or swirlie to be socially adept. However, you seem to believe that homeschooled kids are locked up inside all day. I had a social life. When my friends went to school at 8 AM I went to school, when they got out at 3 I went out to play with them.

FTFA: "They're more about vampires and witches than about God"

I don't see the problem. Vampired and witches are about as real as God, and certainly more interesting.

StampedingElephant: I want to be against home schooling, except that homeschoolers on average always seem to test better than public school inmates.

I'd still recommend Private Schooling, because without socialization, kids grow up to be creeps.

They test better, but does that translate into something useful and tangible, like engineering jobs?

/still want to know, what sort of work do the homeschooled end up in?

Biological Ali: SkyFlyer: So am I a moron?

I believe most rational people would draw a distinction between homeschooling for genuine academic purposes, and homeschooling to avoid "Public Socialist Indoctrination", which is what El_Frijole_Blanco was responding to.

Actually the main reason my parents pulled me out of school (but let me attend public schools overseas) was so I could have some innocence growing up (e.g. not knowing that sometimes a man likes to put his dick in another man's ass at the age of 7). If you want to extend that to not being exposed to other "progressive" and socialistic ideas that are prevalent today, you would probably be correct.

flypusher713: StampedingElephant: I want to be against home schooling, except that homeschoolers on average always seem to test better than public school inmates.

I'd still recommend Private Schooling, because without socialization, kids grow up to be creeps.

They test better, but does that translate into something useful and tangible, like engineering jobs?

/still want to know, what sort of work do the homeschooled end up in?

Funny you should ask that considering I'm majoring in Construction Engineering & Management and minoring in biotechnology.

flypusher713: /still want to know, what sort of work do the homeschooled end up in?

I, too, am curious. So, what gives, home-schooled types?

GaryPDX: verbal_jizm: GaryPDX: No more Public Socialist Indoctrination School for my kids or grandchildren.

You're just like the comics. Entertaining at the beginning but after a while, just so predictable.

We are free thinkers. Sorry that bothers you, comrade.

Gary, I actually like your ideas about going off the grid, but dude, maybe look into some medication for your paranoia.

SkyFlyer: Actually the main reason my parents pulled me out of school (but let me attend public schools overseas) was so I could have some innocence growing up (e.g. not knowing that sometimes a man likes to put his dick in another man's ass at the age of 7). If you want to extend that to not being exposed to other "progressive" and socialistic ideas that are prevalent today, you would probably be correct.

You are going to just love Cal Poly!

Sabyen91: SkyFlyer: Sabyen91:

Ok, the part about the wedgie and swirlie was a joke. All you had to say is you weren't home-schooled because your parents are fundies. Since you didn't I assume your family is full of fundies and that is why you were home-schooled. In that case your father getting a degree in math and comp sci really doesn't impress me. What did he teach you about biology? Evolution?

I suppose you could label my dad as a fundie, but you'd have trouble with that. He's a God-fearing Christian who doesn't go to church. He's Pro-life but is for the legalization of weed. He probably voted for Prop 8 but is against orientation based discrimination.

My "textbooks" were from "Accelerated Christian Education", but my dad augmented it greatly.

I was exposed to evolution. I've read some of Dawkins' books. I don't believe in macroevolution. I think intraspecies changes do occur (microevolution).

As for your question about science.... I had no problems with science classes in high school. I have not had any issues with math or physics classes at the university level. I needed a little studying for my cell and molecular biology class but did fine in it.

StampedingElephant: on average always seem to test better than public school inmates.

I was a public school 'inmate.' I went for my schooling all the way through in a 'failing' majority-latino southern california public school district. Took USC since they were cheaper after financial aid than any UC school. Quite a few Ivy-leaguers came out of my HS class and a host of UC or similar. One's results may vary, but the way it is monolithically treated here is in my humble opinion, rather silly. I met privileged private school folks who had more/better classes, but were f---ing clueless about having to live and learn without handholding.

I think I learned street-level lessons about people and society top-to-bottom that are just not going to be gleaned from some fancy private school, and on balance, the folks I knew who would have succeeded in private schools also succeeded as 'inmates' and those who failed would have failed elsewhere too. Parenting is important. Even if you're poor and not well educated, encouragement and discipline are supremely valuable.

/csb.
//of course public school averages are going to be lower-- they have to take the dregs.

Elvis_Pelt: SkyFlyer: Actually the main reason my parents pulled me out of school (but let me attend public schools overseas) was so I could have some innocence growing up (e.g. not knowing that sometimes a man likes to put his dick in another man's ass at the age of 7). If you want to extend that to not being exposed to other "progressive" and socialistic ideas that are prevalent today, you would probably be correct.

You are going to just love Cal Poly!

Some of my cousins went there, and many of the engineers I work with are from there...as far as I can tell it's a fairly "neutral" sort of campus. Students seem to come out the same way they went in, at least with regard to their socio-political worldviews.

If you weren't already a fundie or a bra burner when you started, you won't be one when you get out...except for the weed and the beer. lots of that.