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(Boston Globe)   Residents of Mattapan neighborhood of Boston asked for library to give teenagers something to do. Years and $17 million later they're afraid to go to new library because it's full of teenagers   (boston.com) divider line 82
    More: Sad, Neighborhoods of Boston, Mattapan, teenagers, Mayor Thomas M. Menino, community leader, urban oasis, hubs, Clayton Cheever  
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2010-01-30 01:01:02 PM
Suggestion: built a boys & girls club-type place next door (or refurbish whatever old building I'm sure is nearby) and the really rambunctious kids will go there to play ball/be loud and crazy instead.

/Probably no money available.
//The US stretched too thin, what with buying tanks at a 300% markup and paying for congressmen's viagra prescriptions.
///Hint: it costs a lot less to build a community gym than it does to incarcerate a bunch of young people, but taking care of the community before they get into trouble might make us socialists or something.
 
2010-01-30 01:06:17 PM
The 0-20 crowd isn't nearly as scary as the 20-40 crowd.
 
2010-01-30 01:11:59 PM
booklover555: Suggestion: built a boys & girls club-type place next door (or refurbish whatever old building I'm sure is nearby) and the really rambunctious kids will go there to play ball/be loud and crazy instead.

/Probably no money available.
//The US stretched too thin, what with buying tanks at a 300% markup and paying for congressmen's viagra prescriptions.
///Hint: it costs a lot less to build a community gym than it does to incarcerate a bunch of young people, but taking care of the community before they get into trouble might make us socialists or something.


Your troll-fu is weak.
 
2010-01-30 01:27:33 PM
Gothmolly: booklover555: Suggestion: built a boys & girls club-type place next door (or refurbish whatever old building I'm sure is nearby) and the really rambunctious kids will go there to play ball/be loud and crazy instead.

/Probably no money available.
//The US stretched too thin, what with buying tanks at a 300% markup and paying for congressmen's viagra prescriptions.
///Hint: it costs a lot less to build a community gym than it does to incarcerate a bunch of young people, but taking care of the community before they get into trouble might make us socialists or something.

Your troll-fu is weak.


Hm, do you actually think that was trolling? It seemed pretty reasonable to me. Sure, it's naive to think that "if you build it, they will come"... but they built a library and kids went, so this seems like a community where if you did build a community center filled with cheap, energy-burning, and near-unbreakable games (so basketball, not arcade games) they'd go there, too, and be less destructive.

If the kids had a safe place and safe ways to burn off their energy, it might really help. Again, I would normally think that pretty naive, but these kids are willing to go to a library for it, so the demand is clearly there.
 
2010-01-30 01:33:51 PM
I cannot believe this bullshiat:

"But with three librarians, three assistants, a head librarian, and one custodian, staff members are struggling to do their jobs and keep an eye on every nook and corner of the 21,000-square-foot building"

The building is only 21k sq ft of gross space (Small for a public facility), arranged in a giant open floor plan with sight lines that a maximum-security prison warden would admire.

Check the GIS for the building (I've been getting nailed for hotlinking too much, so no more of that): GIS mattapan library boston (new window) (pops)
 
2010-01-30 01:35:30 PM
Starry Heavens: Gothmolly: booklover555: Suggestion: built a boys & girls club-type place next door (or refurbish whatever old building I'm sure is nearby) and the really rambunctious kids will go there to play ball/be loud and crazy instead.

/Probably no money available.
//The US stretched too thin, what with buying tanks at a 300% markup and paying for congressmen's viagra prescriptions.
///Hint: it costs a lot less to build a community gym than it does to incarcerate a bunch of young people, but taking care of the community before they get into trouble might make us socialists or something.

Your troll-fu is weak.

Hm, do you actually think that was trolling? It seemed pretty reasonable to me. Sure, it's naive to think that "if you build it, they will come"... but they built a library and kids went, so this seems like a community where if you did build a community center filled with cheap, energy-burning, and near-unbreakable games (so basketball, not arcade games) they'd go there, too, and be less destructive.

If the kids had a safe place and safe ways to burn off their energy, it might really help. Again, I would normally think that pretty naive, but these kids are willing to go to a library for it, so the demand is clearly there.


Thanks Starry Heavens, for getting what I thought was obvious snarky commentary on both the sad state of government spending priorities and skewed right-wing name-calling.
 
2010-01-30 01:40:28 PM
I live in JP and ride my bike through Mattapan down blue hill ave to get to Blue hill Reservation in the summer...

It's really not that bad..

I'm a 5'1" white woman and I've never felt threatened. You guys are scaredy cats.. if you actually talk to people who confront you like normal human beings they tend to back off. Just sayin'
 
2010-01-30 01:43:10 PM
The picture says it all.
 
2010-01-30 01:44:16 PM
Give the ghetto a gift and that's what happens. This is why you don't get nice things.
 
2010-01-30 01:47:50 PM
booklover555: Thanks Starry Heavens, for getting what I thought was obvious snarky commentary on both the sad state of government spending priorities and skewed right-wing name-calling.

Yeah, I really dislike this new definition of "trolling." Calling snark a "troll" is the same sort of logic that has us calling streakers "sex offenders." Trolling ought to mean something worse than just a little irreverence.
 
2010-01-30 01:49:26 PM
erupt2001: Give the ghetto a gift and that's what happens. This is why you don't get nice things.

What's happening, a few kids acting bad in the library? Honey, this happens in the 'burbs too. Maybe if you spent more time in libraries, you wouldn't make such prejudiced comments.

ps. You forgot to take your hood off before you signed on today.
 
2010-01-30 01:54:26 PM
Liberals up there are afraid of everything.

/ATHF
 
2010-01-30 02:05:07 PM
"The library is not a vacuum,'' said Maurice Gordon, head librarian of the branch. "Although we are here in the community, we need the community to make the library a safe place.''

Once again, the public sector is desperately pleading for someone... anybody... to help out with a problem that the private sector would have resolved immediately.
 
2010-01-30 02:06:23 PM
You just have to start kicking kids out of the library for being loud. Put some filters on the computers. A library is not a clubhouse for teens. Read a book, do some homework or research on the computers or get out.
 
2010-01-30 02:10:23 PM
Is there any public library in an urban environment that isn't taken over by homeless people and arsehole teenagers? The downtown library in Cincy seems to be THE place for the local "thugs" and homeless people to hang out. People aren't comfortable going to the library if they think there is a possibility to get robbed there.
 
2010-01-30 02:47:27 PM
I used to go to Mattapan in the late 90s to buy beer when I was in high school because the cashiers at the packy (liquor store, for non-natives) were behind 3 inches of plexiglass and sold whatever to whoever as long as you weren't pointing a gun in their face. Last December, I drove along Blue Hill Ave and was shocked at how improved it is. The restaurants were nice, the hair-styling places looked nice, and the streets were clean. It is hard to express how different that was from the place I used to get beer, with broken windows everywhere and people smoking crack in the park at 4 pm.
 
2010-01-30 02:50:53 PM
la_cyberchicana: Helen_Arigby: To The Escape Zeppelin!:
This is more or less what the public libraries in the last two towns I've lived in have done. They've also established policies that bar troublemakers from the library after two warnings for disruptive behavior, stationed police officers at the entrance to keep the banned troublemakers out, and increased foot patrols through the library. Also, internet access is limited to 1 1/2 hours at a time, and you have to sign in at the circulation desk to get a passcode.


90 minutes on the internet means fark, IM, and porn.

How about 15 minutes, and only once a week.

You want to surf the web? Buy a modem. The library isn't Rent-a-Center.
 
2010-01-30 03:04:15 PM
moops: FriarReb98: Seriously, if you're not in downtown, the Back Bay or around Kenmore Square, Boston is, in fact, hell on earth.

I'm not sure if you're from Boston, but you're describing Boston in the 1970s.

Charlestown and North End are nice these days, mostly for yuppies, but they're nice.

The South End is nice.

Teh gays are fleeing high property prices in the South End and moving to Dorchester.

Roslindale and West Roxybury are nice suburban-looking neighborhoods, and aren't too bad. If you like sleeping.

JP has been taken over by hipsters and Mexicans.

Hyde Park is a decent working-class neighborhood.

Yes, all of Roxbury sucks, as does half of Dorchester, and Mattapan has always sucked.


QFT. Pretty much the same since the 90's.

I also think Chinatown has been cleaned up since the Big Dig.

/also, Allston-Brighton are technically part of Boston, but they're too far west and collegiate
 
2010-01-30 03:09:25 PM
Oh, for the record, Somerville got gentrified out of sucking, especially Davis Square.

/and no love-hate for Southie?
 
2010-01-30 03:19:08 PM
OtherLittleGuy

moops: FriarReb98: Seriously, if you're not in downtown, the Back Bay or around Kenmore Square, Boston is, in fact, hell on earth.

I'm not sure if you're from Boston, but you're describing Boston in the 1970s.

Charlestown and North End are nice these days, mostly for yuppies, but they're nice.

The South End is nice.

Teh gays are fleeing high property prices in the South End and moving to Dorchester.

Roslindale and West Roxybury are nice suburban-looking neighborhoods, and aren't too bad. If you like sleeping.

JP has been taken over by hipsters and Mexicans.

Hyde Park is a decent working-class neighborhood.

Yes, all of Roxbury sucks, as does half of Dorchester, and Mattapan has always sucked.

QFT. Pretty much the same since the 90's.

I also think Chinatown has been cleaned up since the Big Dig.

/also, Allston-Brighton are technically part of Boston, but they're too far west and collegiate


I've lived in and around the city my entire life and Allston is the only place where someone has pulled a knife on me and it was a God damned jacked up fratboy
 
2010-01-30 03:34:13 PM
OtherLittleGuy: Oh, for the record, Somerville got gentrified out of sucking, especially Davis Square.

Come here, so I can stab you.

/trots off to have the best burger on the planet, in Davis square.
 
2010-01-30 04:35:51 PM
BarackHusseinObama: "The library is not a vacuum,' said Maurice Gordon, head librarian of the branch. "Although we are here in the community, we need the community to make the library a safe place.'

Once again, the public sector is desperately pleading for someone... anybody... to help out with a problem that the private sector would have resolved immediately if there was a potential for a quick buck.


FTFY, Mr. Not-Actually-President.
 
2010-01-30 04:36:56 PM
YouSirAreAMaroon: Seriously, outside of Bromley/Heath and a select few other small areas Boston hasn't been all that dangerous in nearly 20 years. The murder rate is higher in Brockton.



That's likely true. I'm from Brockton and we have had around four murders already this year...
 
2010-01-30 04:41:33 PM
semiotix: FriarReb98: Murderpan, and most of the southern half of Boston for that matter, is full of people who got mad when Bill Cosby called them out for being bad parents - not because they're not, but because they got called on it. They're stereotypical, and rather than doing anything about it they just live with it and try to turn everywhere they go into Detroit.

\like i say in all these threads, Chris Rock was right.

Yeah, you and Chris Rock and Bill Cosby and Dave Chappelle, you're all on exactly the same page, I bet. I'm sure they'd be pleased to endorse your perspective on all things black. Your official license to tell jokes with the n-word in them will be in the mail shortly... signed by Chris Rock himself! It's only fair.


Link (new window)
 
2010-01-30 06:44:33 PM
Indeed. Computers with internet access are the problem, they attract people who don't care about the books or the learnin'. Our library got rid of their computers and all the homeless folks and teenagers skipping school went away.

Exactly. They didn't create a library, they created exactly what they got. I did IT at a community college on occasion. They built a beautiful new library with free internet access. Within days the problems started.

The fix? The library was only open to everyone, but the computers required a student ID and login. Also, no food and drink. The problem solved itself within weeks.
 
2010-01-30 07:15:43 PM
"Kids are going to be kids, but you can't let stuff like that happen in a place like a library."

Should be:

"Black kids are going to be black kids, but you can't let stuff like that happen in a place like a library."
 
2010-01-30 07:23:52 PM
Nerds!
 
2010-01-30 08:49:08 PM
10 U.S.C. 311: 90 minutes on the internet means fark, IM, and porn.

How about 15 minutes, and only once a week.

You want to surf the web? Buy a modem. The library isn't Rent-a-Center.


OK, harsh. I know some actual useful, learning-related things on the Web that do take longer than 15 minutes. Like actual math or English classes for instance.
 
2010-01-30 08:59:42 PM
chamblin: I see the problem

The Irish?
 
2010-01-30 09:47:17 PM
what_now: /trots off to have the best burger on the planet, in Davis square.

Which joint? I've been pleasantly surprised by Boston Burger Company. So have bunches of other people. I talked to the owner about the lack of seating and he says he never expected the crowds to get so big so quick. They're trying to expand for next summer.
 
2010-01-31 10:30:59 AM
MrShivery is going to Hell: I didn't know black people lived that far north.

you should come to toronto! Ever heard of Caribana?
 
2010-01-31 05:40:55 PM
what_now: OtherLittleGuy: Oh, for the record, Somerville got gentrified out of sucking, especially Davis Square.

Come here, so I can stab you.



Come and try, Sonny boy. I'll knock that stabbing thingy out with my cane, and have enough to kick you in the nuts, then shove my cane up your ass.

/Fannie Farmer, Smoke Shop with Archie and Richie Rich comics, and cafeteria-automat FTW
//Slummerville by birth, Meffa by the Grace of God
///why are you still on my lawn?
 
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