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(Boston Globe)   Residents of Mattapan neighborhood of Boston asked for library to give teenagers something to do. Years and $17 million later they're afraid to go to new library because it's full of teenagers   (boston.com) divider line 82
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2010-01-30 08:59:11 AM
www.boston.com

What Boston teenagers might look like
 
2010-01-30 09:00:06 AM
Does it smell too much like teen spirit?
 
2010-01-30 09:00:26 AM
How dare the public use a public utility!
 
2010-01-30 09:06:03 AM
There have been fights, thefts, and a host of problems inside and outside its doors.
Damn, son, I know you're not telling me Henry David Thoreau is longwinded and pedantic! IT'S ON!
 
2010-01-30 09:06:24 AM
I'd say this is more img1.fark.net than img1.fark.net.
 
2010-01-30 09:06:40 AM
bayimg.com

I see the problem
 
2010-01-30 09:06:55 AM
So, the Mattapan Library was counting on the idea that black kids wouldn't congregate there because their peers would accuse them of "acting white?"
 
2010-01-30 09:09:03 AM
FTA:
There have been fights, thefts, and a host of problems inside and outside its doors.

Teenagers - good
Violent teenagers - bad

A good idea screwed up a small subset of the population.

/this is why we can't have nice things
 
2010-01-30 09:10:12 AM
PonceAlyosha: How dare the public abuse a public utility!

FTFY
 
2010-01-30 09:12:20 AM
FTFA: But they also got an unexpected problem: throngs of 'young people' who have daily overwhelmed the library's staff of eight and created a hot spot for trouble. There have been fights, thefts, and a host of problems inside and outside its doors.



Don't worry, they're liberals - and liberals are problem solvers...
 
2010-01-30 09:14:35 AM
I had no idea Murderpan used to be a Jewish community.
 
2010-01-30 09:16:29 AM
Like anyone who's ever been to Murderpan is surprised by this. Seriously, if you're not in downtown, the Back Bay or around Kenmore Square, Boston is, in fact, hell on earth.

Murderpan, and most of the southern half of Boston for that matter, is full of people who got mad when Bill Cosby called them out for being bad parents - not because they're not, but because they got called on it. They're stereotypical, and rather than doing anything about it they just live with it and try to turn everywhere they go into Detroit.

\like i say in all these threads, Chris Rock was right.
 
2010-01-30 09:18:59 AM
It's Murderpan. It's a shiathole and will always be a shiathole.
 
2010-01-30 09:26:27 AM
FriarReb98: Seriously, if you're not in downtown, the Back Bay or around Kenmore Square, Boston is, in fact, hell on earth.

I'm not sure if you're from Boston, but you're describing Boston in the 1970s.

Charlestown and North End are nice these days, mostly for yuppies, but they're nice.

The South End is nice.

Teh gays are fleeing high property prices in the South End and moving to Dorchester.

Roslindale and West Roxybury are nice suburban-looking neighborhoods, and aren't too bad. If you like sleeping.

JP has been taken over by hipsters and Mexicans.

Hyde Park is a decent working-class neighborhood.

Yes, all of Roxbury sucks, as does half of Dorchester, and Mattapan has always sucked.
 
2010-01-30 09:27:33 AM
How about we have a Fark party at a bar in Field's Corner?
 
2010-01-30 09:27:37 AM
chamblin: I see the problem

img403.imageshack.us

So do I. Get the free, wide open terminals out of the library, and the problem will be solved.

Being from Boston I can tell you that half of those kids barely know how to read (and that has nothing to do with their skin color).
 
2010-01-30 09:28:33 AM

Residents of Mattapan neighborhood of Boston asked for library to give teenagers something to do.


Yes, because teenagers are well-known for loitering amongst the stacks...

This was probably a semi-clever plan - not completely considered - to create a nice library for the adults while they claimed it was for the children.
 
2010-01-30 09:30:52 AM
WRX_Smokescreen: How about we have a Fark party at a bar in Field's Corner?

I got permanently banninated from The Twelve Bens on Adams St. If they didn't like the fact that my friend had too much to drink and stripped down to his banana hammock, they won't like farkers either.
 
2010-01-30 09:32:56 AM
10 U.S.C. 311: chamblin: I see the problem



So do I. Get the free, wide open terminals out of the library, and the problem will be solved.

Being from Boston I can tell you that half of those kids barely know how to read (and that has nothing to do with their skin color).


A blackplanet.com IM? IE?
/And no it's not only a black site I seen plenty of white folks on there and not all of them are wiggers
 
2010-01-30 09:43:22 AM
Mattapan, please.
 
2010-01-30 09:47:01 AM
"I wouldn't send my kids there,'' said one, Anthony Mosely, who said he witnessed a verbal confrontation between two groups of teenagers in the library. "Kids are going to be kids, but you can't let stuff like that happen in a place like a library.''

Oh no, not a verbal confrontation!!!!1111
 
2010-01-30 09:47:53 AM
FriarReb98: Like anyone who's ever been to Murderpan is surprised by this. Seriously, if you're not in downtown, the Back Bay or around Kenmore Square, Boston is, in fact, hell on earth.


NO its NOT, you jackass. I lived in Upham's Corner, Dudley and for YEARS and was down in Iggles all the time; I know this spot. its ghetto light.

you and the others shiatting your pants over mattypatty are dickless crackers.

i've lived in New Orleans, Brooklyn, Oakland and I've *been* to Detroit. Dorchester in't shiat. look at the crime rate, look at the murder rate; its nothing like a real bad city. there are street cleaners and they pick up the trash EVERY WEEK

20-30 years ago, Dot and the Bury were scary and run down, but Mumbles has done a good old job delivering to his 'people of the community' and those places are playgrounds compared to Detroit.

that library is no more out of control than a high school's front door at 3PM. This is a spook story, a SPOOK story if you get me, to titillate the mommys in Brookline.

Also, that girl? fark yeah. i'd bang her like a screen door in a hurricane. she is DELICIOUS. someone find her myspace for me, i need to know how many kids she's got.
 
2010-01-30 09:59:26 AM
willfullyobscure: you and the others shiatting your pants over mattypatty are dickless crackers.

He also probably thinks Somerville is the worst place in the world. Well, I guess the parts of Somerville overrun with hipsters are.
 
2010-01-30 10:02:49 AM
Indeed. Computers with internet access are the problem, they attract people who don't care about the books or the learnin'. Our library got rid of their computers and all the homeless folks and teenagers skipping school went away.
 
2010-01-30 10:09:43 AM
FriarReb98: . Seriously, if you're not in downtown, the Back Bay or around Kenmore Square, Boston is, in fact, hell on earth.

Maybe you should stop talking out of your ass.

moops: He also probably thinks Somerville is the worst place in the world.

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!!
 
2010-01-30 10:19:39 AM
Mattapan isn't even that bad. It's a lot of working class families just trying to live. That's all. Once in a while some wannabe gangstas shoot each other there. That's it.
 
2010-01-30 10:28:21 AM
Nobody goes there any more. It's too crowded.
 
2010-01-30 10:29:25 AM
Seriously, outside of Bromley/Heath and a select few other small areas Boston hasn't been all that dangerous in nearly 20 years. The murder rate is higher in Brockton.

Also, I've lived in the hood my whole life, wtf is "Iggles"?
 
2010-01-30 10:29:30 AM
Best library computer system I ever saw only had the card catalog on it.
No internet, no games, no MS Office.

Librarians loved to tell people the computer was a library tool.

Other than that, I guess they don't teach kids how to behave in a library anymore.

Be quiet, or get out.

Most people can grasp that concept by 3rd grade.
 
2010-01-30 10:33:47 AM
I would also like to say that Allston isn't a total shiathole. It's just full of smelly hipsters.
 
2010-01-30 10:34:21 AM
btr3924: I had no idea Murderpan used to be a Jewish community.

Roxbury was too. Mattapan was until block busting, redlining, violence, "white flight" and the BBURG drove them out to Randolph (now Randapan), Sharon and other suburbs in the 60's and 70's. There was something like 90,000 Jews in Mattapan, Roxbury and Dorchester at one time. Now there's about 3,000.
 
2010-01-30 10:43:11 AM
Is it so hard to require a library card? And if you get "in trouble" you get that card revoked?

Maybe i'm daft here, but it seems very simple to exclude those who have been seen being disruptive.
 
2010-01-30 10:47:04 AM
forgetomori.com
My God it's full of Teenagers!
 
2010-01-30 10:51:40 AM
VoiceofGod: Is it so hard to require a library card? And if you get "in trouble" you get that card revoked?

You're being exclusionary!!
 
2010-01-30 10:57:29 AM
YouSirAreAMaroon:
Also, I've lived in the hood my whole life, wtf is "Iggles"?


Egleston Sq -Washington and Columbus Ave. its JP, not Mattapan, but I used to go down there when ALL of the windows were boarded up and a white boy was guaranteed at least one fight for showing up (if you didn't 'help a brother out'). Now its got coffee shops and shiat
 
2010-01-30 11:04:50 AM
scraping-fetus-off-the-wheel: Be quiet, or get out.

Most people can grasp that concept by 3rd grade.


Racist!
 
2010-01-30 11:06:25 AM
willfullyobscure: YouSirAreAMaroon:
Also, I've lived in the hood my whole life, wtf is "Iggles"?

Egleston Sq -Washington and Columbus Ave. its JP, not Mattapan, but I used to go down there when ALL of the windows were boarded up and a white boy was guaranteed at least one fight for showing up (if you didn't 'help a brother out'). Now its got coffee shops and shiat


I kind of assumed that's what you meant, but never heard that before. I grew up in JP, things in Eggy have been slowly improving since the train came down, but I don't know about coffee shops, maybe on Center St.

When I was a kid it was full-blown war around those parts, the Goyas, Mozart Park, Academy, etc.
 
2010-01-30 11:12:26 AM
FriarReb98: Murderpan, and most of the southern half of Boston for that matter, is full of people who got mad when Bill Cosby called them out for being bad parents - not because they're not, but because they got called on it. They're stereotypical, and rather than doing anything about it they just live with it and try to turn everywhere they go into Detroit.

\like i say in all these threads, Chris Rock was right.


Yeah, you and Chris Rock and Bill Cosby and Dave Chappelle, you're all on exactly the same page, I bet. I'm sure they'd be pleased to endorse your perspective on all things black. Your official license to tell jokes with the n-word in them will be in the mail shortly... signed by Chris Rock himself! It's only fair.
 
2010-01-30 11:15:52 AM
YouPeopleAreCrazy: VoiceofGod: Is it so hard to require a library card? And if you get "in trouble" you get that card revoked?

You're being exclusionary!!


We exclude felons from owning firearms, voting. Drivers licenses are revoked for habitual DWI's. I don't see this as any different.
 
2010-01-30 11:39:27 AM
semiotix: Your official license to tell jokes with the n-word in them will be in the mail shortly... signed by Chris Rock himself! It's only fair.

My official license stems from "them" calling each other that and behaving accordingly.
 
2010-01-30 11:41:06 AM
YouSirAreAMaroon:

When I was a kid it was full-blown war around those parts, the Goyas, Mozart Park, Academy, etc.


Mozart were always a JOKE. It was headline news if they managed to start a fight, let alone actually hurt someone. BH, on the other hand, I didn't go near by myself, it was... unwise.
 
2010-01-30 12:05:25 PM
yeah dawg all you tuff guyz representin' da struggle here on Fark about all the 'hood' living you've done in Boston. Blue Hill Ave is a terrible place. Murdapan and Dorchester suck, and while it's racist to make a connection between the color of the people's skin there and the crappiness of the community, you can at least blame the thug culture and whatnot.
 
2010-01-30 12:19:01 PM
When I worked in Dorchester, I used to get some really good bbq in Mattapan (I think). M&M near Orchard Park. Is that Mattapan or the Bury?
 
2010-01-30 12:26:03 PM
I didn't know black people lived that far north.
 
2010-01-30 12:32:00 PM
To The Escape Zeppelin!: Indeed. Computers with internet access are the problem, they attract people who don't care about the books or the learnin'. Our library got rid of their computers and all the homeless folks and teenagers skipping school went away.

I think this would be going too far the other way. I know that 99% of potential troublemakers who come through the doors will, in fact, just be troublemakers, but you'll always get that 1% who, for whatever reason, decided that since they're already here, they might as well check out these "book" things that libraries are supposed to be full of. What you could do instead is put the computer section right near the front--not directly in front of the doors so that non-potential-troublemakers have to push through the thick of it to get in and out, but right beside the doors--and then have the peaceful areas further back behind soundproofed walls. You know, designate a noisy half and a quiet half, with the noisy half being more convenient to reach.

Confession time: I haven't been to the library in... oh God, coming up on a year now. I stocked up on novels at their last couple of blowout basement sales, so I haven't been going for the fiction, and I usually prefer online nonfiction because it tends to be more up-to-date. I know it's never as in-depth, but I haven't been doing any research of late, so it just doesn't seem worth the bother of hauling my car-free ass through subzero weather for ten-year-plus out-of-date material. Yeah, it feels weird, but I did spend cashmoney on those blowout novels, so I feel obliged to read them first. Ninety percent of them are crap, but I'm still trying to figure out why Tinker got ditched. The naughty parts alone justify its existence; the attendant romp through the author's bizarre imagination is pure bonus.

Speaking of which, see you guys later. I has a book.
 
2010-01-30 12:37:15 PM
moops: FriarReb98: Seriously, if you're not in downtown, the Back Bay or around Kenmore Square, Boston is, in fact, hell on earth.

I'm not sure if you're from Boston, but you're describing Boston in the 1970s.

Charlestown and North End are nice these days, mostly for yuppies, but they're nice.

The South End is nice.

Teh gays are fleeing high property prices in the South End and moving to Dorchester.

Roslindale and West Roxybury are nice suburban-looking neighborhoods, and aren't too bad. If you like sleeping.

JP has been taken over by hipsters and Mexicans.

Hyde Park is a decent working-class neighborhood.

Yes, all of Roxbury sucks, as does half of Dorchester, and Mattapan has always sucked.


Don't forget, Chinatown has still evacuated to Quincy, and Quincy is still Little Asia. See you at Ups & Downs LOL
 
2010-01-30 12:51:31 PM
As a high school English teacher who is constantly trying to get my students to read more, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/Some people are impossible to please. You built it, they came, give them a damn book already and quityerbiatchin.
//But yeah, kids should have to behave in the library or lose their privileges.
 
2010-01-30 12:51:35 PM
This is why we can't have nice things.

/"This" is the new n-word now?
 
2010-01-30 12:51:43 PM
scraping-fetus-off-the-wheel: Best library computer system I ever saw only had the card catalog on it.
No internet, no games, no MS Office.

Librarians loved to tell people the computer was a library tool.

Other than that, I guess they don't teach kids how to behave in a library anymore.

Be quiet, or get out.

Most people can grasp that concept by 3rd grade.


All of this, in spades, and doubled.

Librarians thinking they had to be "hip" by letting in all sorts of distractions has farked many libraries. We have one near here that's strictly old school: Be Quiet or Be Elsewhere- there is no shortage (in fact a fatal surplus) of noisy places.

A library is a quiet place for communing with friends who won't stay dead. I wish all those kids in that picture could have that gift. But I fear not.
 
2010-01-30 12:53:52 PM
Helen_Arigby: To The Escape Zeppelin!: Indeed. Computers with internet access are the problem, they attract people who don't care about the books or the learnin'. Our library got rid of their computers and all the homeless folks and teenagers skipping school went away.

I think this would be going too far the other way. I know that 99% of potential troublemakers who come through the doors will, in fact, just be troublemakers, but you'll always get that 1% who, for whatever reason, decided that since they're already here, they might as well check out these "book" things that libraries are supposed to be full of. What you could do instead is put the computer section right near the front--not directly in front of the doors so that non-potential-troublemakers have to push through the thick of it to get in and out, but right beside the doors--and then have the peaceful areas further back behind soundproofed walls. You know, designate a noisy half and a quiet half, with the noisy half being more convenient to reach.


This is more or less what the public libraries in the last two towns I've lived in have done. They've also established policies that bar troublemakers from the library after two warnings for disruptive behavior, stationed police officers at the entrance to keep the banned troublemakers out, and increased foot patrols through the library. Also, internet access is limited to 1 1/2 hours at a time, and you have to sign in at the circulation desk to get a passcode.

It's entirely possible to keep a public library with a large teen clientele from disintegrating into a mosh pit, but you have to have the will to keep the place clean and the funds to hire the personnel to do it. Volunteers can't; they're generally too easily intimidated. If the community can fund a building, they ought to fund the salaries to keep the building up.
 
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