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(UPI)   Tennessee approves teaching the Bible in public schools. ACLU rep unsure of new guidelines, tells reporter "The devil is in the details." Looks like someone failed their Bible classes   (upi.com ) divider line
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2010-01-30 08:30:45 AM  
subby: Tennessee approves teaching the Bible in public schools


GOOD.

Liberals should stop trying to ban books from schools...
 
2010-01-30 08:55:16 AM  

Gato Negro: subby: Tennessee approves teaching the Bible in public schools


GOOD.

Liberals should stop trying to ban books from schools...


If it's taught as part of a literature course, I have no problem with that. If it's Bible studies, fark that. I'd be at the first school board meeting requesting Koran/Buddist/Hindu/et al studies.
 
2010-01-30 09:02:26 AM  
Gato Negro: Liberals should stop trying to ban books from schools...


Oh trollish one... its not the the book that's the problem, fiction based on a few historical instances is fine. Its the taking of the fiction and forcing it into people's lives through laws.

If you want to believe, fine. Some people believe in Santa, the tooth fairy, and Sasquatch. Just don't teach fiction as if it were a obvious scientific doctrine when you can't prove a lick of it. Keep your precious faith, and look forward to your eternity in bliss.... don't subject the rest of us to the misguided bullshiat that's contained in that masterful work of fiction.


/morning rant before my fist cup of coffee
 
2010-01-30 09:04:27 AM  
I don't see the big deal. I read fiction all the time in school. Didn't screw me up too bad.
 
2010-01-30 09:25:08 AM  
Make them read the whole farking thing, and not just the parts that are used to foist the conservashiat agenda. Oh, and it has to be the KJV, not these pussy newer versions that some conservafark rewrote in their own interpretation in the past few years in order to make a quick buck.

\\Why yes, I am a Southern Baptist/Methodist
 
2010-01-30 09:42:50 AM  
as part of a secular curriculum? no problem. it is, after all, the most influential piece of literature ever written.

www.zaxtor.net

poor GN. he thinks this means they'll be walking coals, handling snakes and speaking in tongues just like back at his house. but, alas, it's just another book in this case.
 
2010-01-30 09:59:22 AM  
Wait til they find out King James was gay, or at least bi.
 
2010-01-30 10:00:05 AM  
40yoVirgin:


/morning rant before my fist cup of coffee

That's some cup of coffee...
 
2010-01-30 10:00:32 AM  
I think Mr. Hitchins' Bible class would be a thing to behold.

//it all depends on context.
 
2010-01-30 10:01:01 AM  
Oh a general mythology and symbolism class? I once took an in depth study of the old Testament and Jewish intellectualism and culture from a female Lutheran minister in college. That sort of thing would be nice in high school too. Of course no one would ever think to include the text in Science class or in any way other than philosophy or fiction, would they? Not in an educational setting.
 
2010-01-30 10:02:03 AM  
Tennessee preacher trifecta in play?
 
2010-01-30 10:04:08 AM  
I'm a Christian, and I want my kids to read the Bible, but if I wanted them to read it in school, I would have sent them to a parochial school. DNRTFA, so I don't know if they are teaching it as a religious course or studying the Bible as literature, but if it's the latter, one would assume they have to study all of the other writings from major religions as a comparison. I wonder what the thumpers down south will think when their kid pulls a Bible out of his backpack, and right behind it come the Qur'an.
 
2010-01-30 10:05:44 AM  
Atheism is a Religion.
 
2010-01-30 10:06:31 AM  
I'm not religious in any way, but if my high school had offered this class I'd jump on taking it, given that the course was taught objectively, and the religions were compared to one another.
 
2010-01-30 10:08:04 AM  
If it's taught from a historical or cultural perspective there should not be an argument. Whether you agree with it or not, the Bible is perhaps the most important book in western culture.

I'll even go as far as to say an official bible studies class is acceptable as long as it is a purely elective class.

Now if they are essentially trying to turn the public schools into private, religion-based one, then we have a problem. Even as a Christian I believe in the separation of church and state, and the public schools should be were people learn about facts, not faith. Faith is something that can and should be developed elsewhere.
 
2010-01-30 10:08:35 AM  
Are they going to teach the bit about the concubine who is gang-raped to death, her subsequent mutilation, the massacre of most of the tribe of Benjamin (including women & children and killing the beasts, burning the towns), and then letting the remnants of Benjamin kidnap some chicks from a woman's festival so they can continue the bloodline?

For some reason Oriental Trading Co. doesn't have a kit for teaching that story. Tennessee high schools will have to make do with things like Baby Jesus activity pad (TM).

i154.photobucket.com

\this concubine stuff is in Judges 19-21 if you want to check it out yourself ...
 
2010-01-30 10:09:05 AM  
A Bible class sounds like a great idea. It's a part of their culture and they should be able to learn about it, as long as it's A) optional and B) not from a convert-you POV. Now, if they were teaching the Bible in Science class, we'd have a problem.

/Christian
 
2010-01-30 10:09:12 AM  

Gato Negro: subby: Tennessee approves teaching the Bible in public schools


GOOD.

Liberals should stop trying to ban books from schools...


Book singular. We still need to teach Islam and Black Judaism somehow.
 
2010-01-30 10:09:31 AM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


Bald is a hairstyle.

/Is this how we play this game?
 
2010-01-30 10:09:49 AM  

fappomatic: Tennessee preacher trifecta in play?


"Pastor pulls a gun on his son and "threatened to kill him, his wife and family" because they don't attend church enough. Amen"


See, now if they'd had taught the boy in school, this wouldn't have been an issue.
 
2010-01-30 10:10:55 AM  
Please RTFA before you get outraged everyone.
 
2010-01-30 10:11:29 AM  
Taught in a literature class? No problem, as long as nobody tries to pass it off as "The Word of God" or fact.

Taught in a biology or earth sciences class as "an alternative theory"? No way. That's unconstitutional (and flat out WRONG).

Taught in a philosophy or ethics class? Passable, again, as long as they don't present it as absolutely true.

The minute a teacher says "Jesus loves you" or "God has a plan for you" and any of those other trite, simple-minded mantras Christians like to bandy about, it becomes unconstitutional and needs to be yanked from school.
 
2010-01-30 10:12:08 AM  

RatBomb: 40yoVirgin:


/morning rant before my fist cup of coffee

That's some cup of coffee...


It's Chuck Norris' Own® Morning Blend

/of destruction
 
2010-01-30 10:12:08 AM  
Comparative religion course? Yes. Proseletyzing boogiemen and sky wizards? No.

Religion has a place in education, right next to slavery and genocide.

/history section some day
//we hope
 
2010-01-30 10:12:12 AM  

Gato Negro: subby: Tennessee approves teaching the Bible in public schools


GOOD.

Liberals should stop trying to ban books from schools...


So you agree that they should teach the Qu'ran as well?

Also, I hope you weren't one of those people asking to ban, say, that book about gay penguins, or any other pro-homosexual books. That'd just be massively hypocritical.
 
2010-01-30 10:13:17 AM  
Ah, but what does the word "religion" mean, exactly?
 
2010-01-30 10:15:10 AM  

lobootomy: cretinbob: Make them read the whole farking thing, and not just the parts that are used to foist the conservashiat agenda. Oh, and it has to be the KJV, not these pussy newer versions that some conservafark rewrote in their own interpretation in the past few years in order to make a quick buck.


Let me clean that up...

Fark King James. I have found the best explanation for whatever Bible Catholics are using now:

As Catholics were responsible for writing the New Testament (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit), the Catholic Church doesn't "interpret" the Bible. We explain it. Protestants can only "interpret", because they are not the author (guided by the Holy Spirit), and therefore, can only guess at the possible meaning of a chapter, passage or phrase, just as anyone can only guess at any author's intentions in any other book. As the author, the Catholic Church is the only proper authority to consult in matters pertaining to the Bible.

Suck it, Protestants. You're all going to burn in hell. I'm going to be getting my dick sucked by angels who speak Latin.
 
2010-01-30 10:15:24 AM  
boobsrgood: Comparative religion course? Yes. Proseletyzing boogiemen and sky wizards? No.

Why not both? Young people are becoming irreligious at an ever increasing rate. Learning about other religions (which just makes them all seem wrong) and hearing about how you'll go to hell (which just makes religion sound stupid) is a great way to accelerate the decline of religion in our society.

Way to go Tennessee! You're on the forefront of society for a change!
 
2010-01-30 10:15:25 AM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


Atheism is a religion in the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.
 
2010-01-30 10:15:56 AM  

lobootomy: lobootomy: cretinbob: Make them read the whole farking thing, and not just the parts that are used to foist the conservashiat agenda. Oh, and it has to be the KJV, not these pussy newer versions that some conservafark rewrote in their own interpretation in the past few years in order to make a quick buck.

Let me clean that up...

Fark King James. I have found the best explanation for whatever Bible Catholics are using now:

As Catholics were responsible for writing the New Testament (under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit), the Catholic Church doesn't "interpret" the Bible. We explain it. Protestants can only "interpret", because they are not the author (guided by the Holy Spirit), and therefore, can only guess at the possible meaning of a chapter, passage or phrase, just as anyone can only guess at any author's intentions in any other book. As the author, the Catholic Church is the only proper authority to consult in matters pertaining to the Bible.

Suck it, Protestants. You're all going to burn in hell. I'm going to be getting my dick sucked by angels who speak Latin.


That hobo by the 7-11 shouting Harry Potter spells got to you, too, huh?
 
2010-01-30 10:18:44 AM  
As a comparative literature study, that would be fine. Even if it were a course on comparative faiths and the role of religion in society, I think it would be fine. I had just such a course in college, taught with respect and admirable objectivity, by a Catholic priest at a Catholic college many years ago.
But if it is for religious purposes, or to proselytise, or dealing with the nonsense claim that evolution is merely a theory in a scientific context, then I think it would clearly run afoul of the Constitution.
I'm a practicing Catholic, but I think it is way out of line for public schools to engage in the practice of teaching or promoting religion. If I want my kids to be taught those concepts, then I can send them to parochial schools (which I have done).
 
2010-01-30 10:19:01 AM  

drunksnmp: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Atheism is a religion in the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.


Don't waste your time. He's a troll (look at his name), and a weak one at that. He throws that line out in every religion thread.
 
2010-01-30 10:19:27 AM  

drunksnmp: Atheism is a religion in the same way that not collecting stamps is a hobby.


Atheism is a Religion in the same way that actively berating those who collect stamps is in itself a hobby. A piss-poor hobby, but a hobby regardless.

/extra points for that trite reference to stamp collecting
 
2010-01-30 10:20:09 AM  

miscreant: Don't waste your time. He's a troll (look at his name), and a weak one at that. He throws that line out in every religion thread.


My surname is Le Trôle.
 
2010-01-30 10:20:29 AM  

The Icelander: boobsrgood: Comparative religion course? Yes. Proseletyzing boogiemen and sky wizards? No.

Why not both? Young people are becoming irreligious at an ever increasing rate. Learning about other religions (which just makes them all seem wrong) and hearing about how you'll go to hell (which just makes religion sound stupid) is a great way to accelerate the decline of religion in our society.

Way to go Tennessee! You're on the forefront of society for a change!


The most anti-religious people I know (people like yourselves) tend to know pretty much nothing about religion aside what they pick up from televangelist channels and fundies. I'm guessing (especially based on your usage of "sky wizard" that's the case with you and you've never actually looked into the real beliefs of Christianity or any other religion. Ignorance is bliss, huh?
 
2010-01-30 10:20:43 AM  

FlashHarry: as part of a secular curriculum? no problem. it is, after all, the most influential piece of literature ever written.

poor GN. he thinks this means they'll be walking coals, handling snakes and speaking in tongues just like back at his house. but, alas, it's just another book in this case.


those brothers are from south africa
Link (new window)

so your argument is moot
 
2010-01-30 10:20:55 AM  
"The devil is in the details." Looks like someone failed their Bible classes

+10, subby :)
 
2010-01-30 10:21:30 AM  

boobsrgood: Religion has a place in education, right next to slavery and genocide.


Actually, I'd expect that's exactly what would happen, since slavery and genocide are massive parts of the Bible.
 
2010-01-30 10:21:46 AM  

letrole: miscreant: Don't waste your time. He's a troll (look at his name), and a weak one at that. He throws that line out in every religion thread.

My surname is Le Trôle.


But your street name is "The Yawninator"
 
2010-01-30 10:22:17 AM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


Every thread. You do this in every damn thread that is even remotely about religion.

Stop speaking for other people. You do not get to define what I do not believe, only I may do that.

Atheism is a lack of belief, therefore not a religion.

You troll.

Oh, that's right, Letrole is your surname.

Troll
 
2010-01-30 10:23:09 AM  
destitute college kid: I'm guessing (especially based on your usage of "sky wizard" that's the case with you and you've never actually looked into the real beliefs of Christianity or any other religion. Ignorance is bliss, huh?

When did I say sky wizard?

Second, that's the same argument people have used for decades "Oh, religion isn't like that at all! You're just stupid!" Lame.
 
2010-01-30 10:24:20 AM  

The Icelander: hearing about how you'll go to hell (which just makes religion sound stupid) is a great way to accelerate the decline of religion in our society.


I think you overestimate the courage and free will of the average Tennessee public school student. If the threat of hell didn't make most people piss themselves, religion would have died 1000 years ago.
 
2010-01-30 10:25:00 AM  

LittleSmitty: letrole: Atheism is a Religion. Every thread. You do this in every damn thread that is even remotely about religion. Stop speaking for other people. You do not get to define what I do not believe, only I may do that. Atheism is a lack of belief, therefore not a religion. You troll. Oh, that's right, Letrole is your surname. Troll



Atheism is a Religion. A piss-poor Religion, but a Religion regardless.

The amusing part is where an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denials, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.

It's the frustrated denial, the twisted hatred, the sophmoronic protests, the jibing of the self-satisfied Godless, that show Atheism to be a Religion indeed.
 
2010-01-30 10:25:26 AM  

The Icelander: Second, that's the same argument people have used for decades "Oh, religion isn't like that at all! You're just stupid!" Lame.


Yeah, maybe you should listen to them. Sometimes they might have a good point. I've studied more than one religion, and I don't think they're all wrong. I don't even think all of them minus one are wrong.

You didn't use sky wizard, sorry. The person you responded to did.
 
2010-01-30 10:26:35 AM  
Fine to study the most popular book of all time in a literary kind of way. There will be some trying to exercise their "Freedom from Religion" though.
 
2010-01-30 10:26:44 AM  
destitute college kid: Yeah, maybe you should listen to them. Sometimes they might have a good point. I've studied more than one religion, and I don't think they're all wrong. I don't even think all of them minus one are wrong.

How do you know I haven't studied them?
 
2010-01-30 10:26:56 AM  

letrole: t's the frustrated denial, the twisted hatred, the sophmoronic protests, the jibing of the self-satisfied Godless, that show Atheism to be a Religion indeed.


And with this latest lazy, pointless crap, I'm putting you on iggy.
 
2010-01-30 10:26:58 AM  

scwewywabbit: I'm not religious in any way, but if my high school had offered this class I'd jump on taking it, given that the course was taught objectively, and the religions were compared to one another.


A comparison of differing translations of the Bible MUST be included. A historical recount of the Apocrypha should also be part of this course. People really need to know where The Bible comes from, what was originally written when and by whom as well as how it's been manipulated and altered over the centuries by various powers.

-Rev MP.

/Has a huge collection of religious texts.
//The "rev" part is real.
///
 
2010-01-30 10:27:11 AM  
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2010-01-30 10:29:59 AM  

lobootomy: Suck it, Protestants. You're all going to burn in hell. I'm going to be getting my dick sucked by angels who speak Latin.


Well, considering how things go here on earth, your catholic heaven is more likely you sucking the dick of some priests while being stuck in an 8 year old boy's body.
 
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