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GOB
2010-01-29 11:18:36 PM
Obama's new college football bill:

1st draft- 12 team playoff, the 11 conference champions + 1 independent/wildcard

2nd draft- 6 team playoff, with only the ACC, Big Ten, SEC, Pac 10, Big 12, and Big East represented

3rd draft- +1 system, play all the bowls we have now with the top 2 teams in bcs playing championship game.

Final draft- Same shiat as we have now, but all the bowls are on PPV and we're all forced to pay to see them or get fined.
 
2010-01-29 11:45:48 PM
I think it's reasonable enough to consider whether, given that college football has an antitrust exemption, if they're acting in a way that would violate the terms of that exemption. I mean, we could always just take it away. They wouldn't mind that, right?
 
2010-01-29 11:47:05 PM
GOB: Final draft- Same shiat as we have now, but all the bowls are on PPV and we're all forced to pay to see them or get fined.

Are you telling me that the government is going to get involved and costs are going to go up and service is going to go down?

shocking!

Damn it Obama now you are messing with something I really care about.
 
2010-01-30 12:32:47 AM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: Are you telling me that the government is going to get involved and costs are going to go up and service is going to go down?

What's it like to so totally miss the point on a constant basis?
 
2010-01-30 12:49:39 AM
Let's see, a commercial enterprise that generates huge sums of revenue but does so while being given special status under the law? Yeah, I can't imagine any reason why the Feds might ever come around to ask some questions.
 
2010-01-30 01:03:42 AM
I'll do a copy-and-paste of something I wrote elsewhere. No, I do not think the BCS is perfect. Also, no, I do not want playoffs but I'm so sick of that discussion anyways that I backed out of that years ago.

By the way, subby, even though it appears we may agree on stance taken by many towards the BCS, using the "now that everything in the world is solved, the government turns toward..." card is lame.

Anyways...

Gah, I hate misinformation, why does it always exist in abundance? I hop online tonight and message boards all over the place are abuzz with bad information.

Boys, girls, and hermaphrodites, no outside entity other than the NCAA can institute playoffs, and it would take the presidents of the universities to do so. They haven't wanted to do so in the past, do not want to do so now, and have zero financial benefit to doing so in the foreseeable future. That means that unless the financial models for playoff scenarios change for the better, playoffs will not happen.

It doesn't matter what Congress does, what bills they send off to President Barack Obama, what he does or doesn't sign, or what the Department of Justice says. All of them are immaterial when it comes to enacting a playoff, none of them have any power in this matter.

The Congress and President Obama can work together on a bill that would strip the BCS of the ability to call the winner of the BCS NCG game the "national champion," or anything of that nature (yes, that is currently an active measure). The DoJ can find that the BCS violates some anti-trust laws, that isn't my area so I'm not going to tell you I have a clue on any of that stuff, I don't know. Senator Orrin Hatch, Representative Joe Barton, and President Obama can all conduct a hunger strike, and none of the above would get what the playoff proponents want. Which is, obviously enough, a playoff.

I did a quick search to try and find the quotes but I couldn't come up with them, I'm sure they'll make their reappearances across the net sooner or later though. Various university presidents and the Big East's Commissioner, John Marinatto, have stated that in the worst case scenario, the college football postseason would revert back to something resembling the Bowl Alliance method. Something akin to the BA, not playoffs, given all indications, would take the place of the BCS if it is done away with.

The big boy bowls with the big boy payouts would go back to their historic conference ties, they would hand out invitations to the teams that would help to make them the most money, and the mid-major schools that are complaining about how they have no shot now, would really have no shot. Since 1950, only one school (BYU in 1984) not currently a member of a BCS conference (and not named Notre Dame) has won a 1-A national title from anything other than little Billy's third grade homeroom poll.

It is now at least possible for mid-major programs to get to what amounts to the national title game, it took miraculous circumstances for BYU to get it, and they didn't even get the majority of the polls or formulas naming them as such, just the important ones. Mid-majors currently have the best chance they've ever had in the modern era of a shot at the national title, doing away with the BCS would wreck that and send them back to where they were. Don't get me wrong, the BCS has no love for them and only pretends to have any benevolence whatsoever for non-BCS conferences, they don't, none at all, but at least putting on the façade that they do has put mid-majors where they are.

Do you think the Fiesta Bowl, or any other big boy bowl, is ever going to invite an undefeated TCU, Houston, or Boise State squad, when they already have deals in place for other conferences and their sole goal is to make money, not to crown a national champion? The non-BCS conferences are making an emotional argument, not an entirely invalid emotional argument by any stretch, but that is all they're doing. They do not seem to take the real world into consideration.

Listen, I know I'm in the minority among people on here when it comes to bowls vs. playoffs (even though I could accept a "plus one" model under the right circumstances), but I've never steered anybody wrong on this stuff, I've been straight up every single step of the way. I just really think that people everywhere get so caught up in all of the hot air that they completely miss the unchangeable reality of the way things work and that it all comes down to the university presidents and nobody else. I don't know if people don't get it because they don't want to get it and they just keep saying things they want to be true even though they know they aren't or they're really that unaware of the way the whole thing does, or sometimes doesn't, operate. Sometimes it is very difficult to tell what is what.
 
2010-01-30 01:05:42 AM
Err, the above should read as...

"...no outside entity can institute playoffs, and it would take the presidents of the universities to do so."
 
2010-01-30 01:47:30 AM
The only thing I agree with Obama
 
2010-01-30 01:51:02 AM
HELL YES.

I'm tired of a bunch of old southern white men determining who is the national champion every year, then turning around and using that same self-serving system they created as a recruiting tool. "See? We're the best! This BCS we created says so! If you don't come to our schools, your kids will never have a shot at anything big"
 
2010-01-30 01:55:15 AM
Holy crap, submitter, your right! Where is Obama going to find the time to be president and to run an investigation in the Justice Department. I mean, unless they have people already in the Justice Department that could do the investigation themselves... but that seems unlikely.
 
2010-01-30 01:55:50 AM
Off topic, but does anyone know about the gunman on campus at Moorehead, ND? I can't find any news on it and I have a friend there.
 
2010-01-30 01:59:58 AM
Minnesota, not north dakota, my bad.
 
2010-01-30 02:01:47 AM
Whew, just checked twitter, subject in custody. (sorry about the threadjack!
(Mods can delete all my posts if you want.)
 
2010-01-30 02:04:51 AM
jimsan: Off topic, but does anyone know about the gunman on campus at Moorehead, ND? I can't find any news on it and I have a friend there.

When did this happen? I'm at Minnesota State Mankato right now
 
2010-01-30 02:05:40 AM
Hatch is the moran that just declared "partisan war" over the health care debacle.

Does he really think Obama is going to go to bat on this?
 
2010-01-30 02:08:23 AM
when the failures in congress have to come sort your shiat out you really are inept
 
2010-01-30 02:21:27 AM
i love college football, but i could scarcely give an eighth of a fark about the BCS bowls that all but one was ass rape and they're supposed to be the premier teams squaring off, but ya way better than something that people would actually want to watch. I know though: "durr it's really hard and you have to make the idea for the playoff system because we need ideas from the internet. that's how farking retarded we are"
pathetic
 
2010-01-30 02:22:05 AM
Is there any chance that, through some side effect, this could result in universities becoming a bit more like universities instead of businesses centered around sports?

Any chance at all?
 
2010-01-30 02:28:01 AM
Looks like he's already written off Ohio in 2012
 
2010-01-30 02:43:08 AM
ScreamingHangover: Looks like he's already written off Ohio in 2012

Like the Big 10 is going anywhere soon.
 
2010-01-30 02:54:35 AM
And of course it WOULD be Hatch who is behind it. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh. [has voted against Hatch more than once.]
 
2010-01-30 02:57:09 AM
zcat: Is there any chance that, through some side effect, this could result in universities becoming a bit more like universities instead of businesses centered around sports?

Any chance at all?


probably not...
 
2010-01-30 03:01:56 AM
Virulency: zcat: Is there any chance that, through some side effect, this could result in universities becoming a bit more like universities instead of businesses centered around sports?

Any chance at all?

probably not...


Tell that to Pitt... they've subsumed everything, almost including the sports teams, to biomedical research and its feeder programs...

/bitter humanities student
//inorganic chemistry majors were also bitter
 
2010-01-30 03:05:54 AM
thesportsunion.com


/forever LSU
 
2010-01-30 03:56:14 AM
Dr Fieldy Snuts: /forever LSU

why yes, I'll have one thank you.
 
2010-01-30 04:40:54 AM
Obama.
Change you can believe in.
Assuming you still believe in Santa Claus.
 
2010-01-30 05:15:35 AM
LurkyTheLurker: [has voted against Hatch more than once.]

Thanks for trying.
 
2010-01-30 07:11:36 AM
Its good that Obama is scaling back now and focussing on something he might still have enough political clout to change. It keeps him out of mischief and gives the shortsighted playoff fan boys something to rally behind. Its always good to do some populist work on the circus side of the bread and circusses infrastructure. Just in case the next prez wants to accomplish something.
 
2010-01-30 07:13:22 AM
Dr Fieldy Snuts: /forever LSU

Good holy god. This is what I love about the internet. I come on here and look at a thread hoping to learn about something that I don't give a rat's ass about. Instead, I see a picture that is so full of concentrated WANT that I look at it for thirty minutes in the middle of the night.

Seriously. Bathe any three of them. Flip a coin, whatever. Maybe I would invite the hubster, maybe not. But I am highly interested in the LSU that you speak of.
 
2010-01-30 08:08:59 AM
I find it very interesting that the majority of college presidents continue to vote in favor of the current system, but Obama is sure he knows better. The Presidents prefer the existing BCS system because it gives all schools a better opportunity for either payout or free advertising around the holidays. There are 34 bowl games, that means more than half of the Div I football programs are in bowls games, receiving money and being on TV. For many of these programs, this is the only time that year they have been on national TV. For schools like Eastern Michigan or Montana, it is a God-send.

But Hatch and Obama know best. Good job guys.
 
2010-01-30 08:37:15 AM
Woodyhayes... Less is sometimes more. WTF? I'm not that bored.
 
2010-01-30 08:39:24 AM
What's with all the conservative wharblgarble? Disagree with the president on health care or not, at least something is finally done about the abomination that is the BCS. Or are most of you those "Obama needs to fail at everything" type folks?
 
2010-01-30 09:51:12 AM
Racht: I think it's reasonable enough to consider whether, given that college football has an antitrust exemption, if they're acting in a way that would violate the terms of that exemption. I mean, we could always just take it away. They wouldn't mind that, right?

College football doesn't have an antitrust exemption.
 
2010-01-30 10:07:37 AM
Larry Mahnken: College football doesn't have an antitrust exemption.

the BCS bowls are officially "non-profit" though and taxed as such, and many of the participating academic institutions receive federal funds for various things.
 
2010-01-30 10:25:33 AM
Dr Fieldy Snuts: /forever LSU

earthworm2.0: why yes, I'll have one thank you.

they come in six-packs
 
2010-01-30 10:29:26 AM
YouWinAgainGravity: Larry Mahnken: College football doesn't have an antitrust exemption.

the BCS bowls are officially "non-profit" though and taxed as such, and many of the participating academic institutions receive federal funds for various things.


Fiesta Bowl is about to lose that status. In fact, the people who run it will be in jail soon.
 
2010-01-30 10:29:48 AM
I want a playoff. I really do. But when your team plays a shiat schedule in a shiat conference you are not going to get an automatic chance to play for the NC. The good side is that you are playing shiat teams so it is easier for you to win and if one of the BCS schools loses you might be able to play for the NC.

/oh and this is none of the government's business.
 
2010-01-30 10:32:09 AM
YouWinAgainGravity:

the BCS bowls are officially "non-profit" though and taxed as such, and many of the participating academic institutions receive federal funds for various things.


The Catholic Church is non profit and is taxed as such should the feds decide what time Mass is? Since the federal government gives money to Bama should they be involved in deciding who should be the AD or the starting QB?
 
2010-01-30 10:36:03 AM
Fluff Girl Good holy god. This is what I love about the internet. I come on here and look at a thread hoping to learn about something that I don't give a rat's ass about. Instead, I see a picture that is so full of concentrated WANT that I look at it for thirty minutes in the middle of the night.

Seriously. Bathe any three of them. Flip a coin, whatever. Maybe I would invite the hubster, maybe not. But I am highly interested in the LSU that you speak of.


oh yea, i could just dive right into that pile of goodness. jesus.
 
2010-01-30 10:50:06 AM
WoodyHayes: Err, the above should read as...

"...no outside entity can institute playoffs, and it would take the presidents of the universities to do so."


In short, Congress can force the Presidents to do what they say in the exact same manner that they force the states to have a drinking age of 21. So your complaint is moot
 
2010-01-30 11:45:17 AM
Lost Thought 00: In short, Congress can force the Presidents to do what they say in the exact same manner that they force the states to have a drinking age of 21. So your complaint is moot

Huh? Read what I wrote.
 
2010-01-30 11:50:41 AM
Lost Thought 00:

In short, Congress can force the Presidents to do what they say in the exact same manner that they force the states to have a drinking age of 21. So your complaint is moot


Sad but true. Congress can also declare war against Bermuda. Doesn't mean they should.
 
2010-01-30 12:16:55 PM
This is a great Idea. Perhaps we can just make the official championship game between the SEC and Big 12 and leave it up to those conferences to decide who goes. I know the Big 12 had an awful year last year, but they are still stronger than cheating USC and overrated OSU.
 
2010-01-30 01:00:51 PM
Yeah, this was initiated by Republican Orrin Hatch, but somehow it's Obama's fault. Nice work subby.
 
2010-01-30 01:00:56 PM
Here's the only College Bowl I'm interested in:

www.whereistheoutrage.net
 
2010-01-30 01:49:53 PM
And Obama will fail at that, too.
 
2010-01-30 02:49:57 PM
Why does everyone want Iran to drop it's nuclear power program? They are NOT making bombs, or at least there isn't one shred of evidence that they are or plan to.
 
2010-01-30 05:22:14 PM
jigger: Why does everyone want Iran to drop it's nuclear power program? They are NOT making bombs, or at least there isn't one shred of evidence that they are or plan to.

HUH?

OTOH, I think the system could accommodate an 8 team playoff very easily. The BCS bowls could rotate for which round, and pick which teams they wanted to compete in the first round. More than 8 teams would be superfluous.
 
2010-01-30 05:35:17 PM
I agree with jigger. Suppose Iran has a nuclear weapon. What are they going to do with it? Blow up NYC? That would lead to the near instantaneous destruction of their entire county.

The Soviets had thousands of nukes and yet they never used them. Mutually Assured Destruction worked. So let Iran make a bomb. If they ever use it that will be the last thing they ever do.
 
2010-01-30 05:41:04 PM
montex: I agree with jigger. Suppose Iran has a nuclear weapon. What are they going to do with it? Blow up NYC? That would lead to the near instantaneous destruction of their entire county.

And it would improve America greatly.

/well, it would improve the media, anyway
 
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