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(Sun Sentinel)   "The Piper PA 32 landed on its belly and left a 6-foot skid mark on the highway." And a 1-foot skid mark in the pilot's seat   (sun-sentinel.com ) divider line
    More: Interesting, Piper PA, Alligator Alley, skid mark, Broward, emergency landing, Mike Jachles, Ciji Robinette, Broward Sheriff Fire Rescue  
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2010-01-28 09:17:24 PM  
+1 for subby, I LOL'd.
 
2010-01-28 09:24:15 PM  

Baggins: +1 for subby, I LOL'd.


hahaha. seconded.
 
2010-01-28 10:46:00 PM  
That's why they tell you to fly near major roads.

And keep an extra pair of clean underwear handy of course.
 
2010-01-28 11:32:02 PM  
That's uhh... that's pretty good stuff right there.

/Plus one
 
2010-01-29 12:00:17 AM  

Somaticasual: Baggins: +1 for subby, I LOL'd.

hahaha. seconded.


Thirded
 
2010-01-29 01:25:05 AM  
Am I the only one that thought 1-foot is too large?
 
2010-01-29 01:26:49 AM  
I almost got my own skidmark laughing at that... good job subby! LOL
 
2010-01-29 01:27:00 AM  
-5 for Subby then... FLORIDA tag or GTFO!
 
2010-01-29 01:38:46 AM  
For the pilots out there, why couldn't you pick an empty field for your emergency belly landing? My guess is due to the likely hood of running into a fence or a tree or something. But the risk of oncoming cars seems pretty likely on the highway.
 
2010-01-29 01:45:10 AM  
cambie 2010-01-29 01:38:46 AM

For the pilots out there, why couldn't you pick an empty field for your emergency belly landing? My guess is due to the likely hood of running into a fence or a tree or something. But the risk of oncoming cars seems pretty likely on the highway.

When you land on a freeway there is often a likely hood to hit.
 
2010-01-29 01:45:41 AM  
Poop thread?

/made a mighty fine one myself
 
2010-01-29 01:53:38 AM  

cambie: For the pilots out there, why couldn't you pick an empty field for your emergency belly landing? My guess is due to the likely hood of running into a fence or a tree or something. But the risk of oncoming cars seems pretty likely on the highway.


Depends on the area, but fields often have fences, holes, wires, etc. Roads also have wires and bridges, but merging with traffic isn't much of an issue since landing speed of most light planes is right around highway speed.

/never landed on a road
//landed on some runways that where narrower then roads
 
2010-01-29 02:00:20 AM  
Uh, yeah, no shiat on that.
 
2010-01-29 02:01:30 AM  
Sometimes that is the only choice you have.
 
2010-01-29 02:04:25 AM  
That Miss America link is heavy in FAIL
 
2010-01-29 02:06:04 AM  
-1 to subby for not working "Alligator Alley" into the tagline.
 
2010-01-29 02:07:54 AM  
I knew i knew this guy! (new window)
/did my first tandem with his company
 
2010-01-29 02:18:46 AM  

cambie: For the pilots out there, why couldn't you pick an empty field for your emergency belly landing? My guess is due to the likely hood of running into a fence or a tree or something. But the risk of oncoming cars seems pretty likely on the highway.


Depends where you are, I guess. Here in So Cal, you could die of fuel exhaustion before you ever saw an empty field to land in. And there's no such thing as an empty parking lot.
 
2010-01-29 02:20:11 AM  

clear_prop: cambie: For the pilots out there, why couldn't you pick an empty field for your emergency belly landing? My guess is due to the likely hood of running into a fence or a tree or something. But the risk of oncoming cars seems pretty likely on the highway.

Depends on the area, but fields often have fences, holes, wires, etc. Roads also have wires and bridges, but merging with traffic isn't much of an issue since landing speed of most light planes is right around highway speed.

/never landed on a road
//landed on some runways that where narrower then roads


The FAA notes for the closest airport to my house (OKB) tell pilots to make sure that they are landing on the runway and not the highway that is immediately south of and parallel to the runway. Of course, pilots using that airfield also need to watch out for the USMC as Camp Pendleton is immediately to the north of the airfield, too.
 
2010-01-29 02:28:32 AM  

Gyrfalcon: cambie: For the pilots out there, why couldn't you pick an empty field for your emergency belly landing? My guess is due to the likely hood of running into a fence or a tree or something. But the risk of oncoming cars seems pretty likely on the highway.

Depends where you are, I guess. Here in So Cal, you could die of fuel exhaustion before you ever saw an empty field to land in. And there's no such thing as an empty parking lot.


But if you know you're real estate you can find a neighborhood that's been entirely foreclosed on and land on the street there
 
2010-01-29 02:29:10 AM  
It saved his unborn daughter? Doesn't "unborn" imply that she had previously been born, then it was reversed so she was unborn. That's like some sort of reverse zombie -- unborn instead of undead.

I know it doesn't work like that, but now I have a mental image of what might have caused the crash -- a rampaging zombie infant.
 
2010-01-29 02:30:20 AM  
[insert "Airplane!" reference here]
 
2010-01-29 02:36:22 AM  

GWSuperfan: The FAA notes for the closest airport to my house (OKB) tell pilots to make sure that they are landing on the runway and not the highway that is immediately south of and parallel to the runway. Of course, pilots using that airfield also need to watch out for the USMC as Camp Pendleton is immediately to the north of the airfield, too.


If you can navigate the pattern in San Diego county, you can do it almost anywhere.

/would not want to put a plane on the 76 -- the stoplights and median would ruin my day.
 
2010-01-29 02:38:09 AM  
Alligator Alley = swamp on both sides of the road, with actual gators. Safest place to land would be the road.
 
2010-01-29 02:39:48 AM  
How does backing up traffic not qualify as directly affecting vehicles?

/know I would have shat myself
 
2010-01-29 02:57:20 AM  

PPL_Wannabe: That's why they tell you to fly near major roads.

And keep an extra pair of clean underwear handy of course.


IFR= I Follow Roads?
 
2010-01-29 03:10:24 AM  
img258.imageshack.us

I hope I'm not the only one who noticed this.
 
2010-01-29 03:19:59 AM  
cambie: For the pilots out there, why couldn't you pick an empty field for your emergency belly landing? My guess is due to the likely hood of running into a fence or a tree or something. But the risk of oncoming cars seems pretty likely on the highway.

Gyrfalcon: Depends where you are, I guess. Here in So Cal, you could die of fuel exhaustion before you ever saw an empty field to land in. And there's no such thing as an empty parking lot.


Yeah, well, even a big empty "field" might be 1/4 mi long... at 80 mph stall speed, there's only 11.25 sec from one end to the other.

There will be a fence and possibly trees to clear. The lines are a huge risk because you can't see them from far off, and once you get closer, you have zero options because if you HAD power you probably wouldn't be making this emergency landing.
 
2010-01-29 03:28:57 AM  
iansouter.com
 
2010-01-29 03:43:19 AM  
The article is light on details as to why an engine failure would keep the landing gear from coming down. Looks like only the right main came down from the one pic. But if you don't have all the gear down, the safest place to land is on pavement. Landing on something soft runs the risk of digging in and and flipping, or coming to a stop a lot faster than a human body can take.

Landing on pavement is a nice slide to a gentle stop. If there's nothing on the road, there is very little chance of injury. That is borne out by tons of nice safe gear-up landings at airports.

The Piper gear system on their light singles and twins is electric pump hydraulic. Nothing to do with the engine. The gear is held up by hydraulic pressure and is spring and gravity loaded to come down. If the gear handle is down and the gear isn't down, reach down between the seats with your thumb and press down on the hydraulic dump valve and the gear will drop. If the gear still doesn't come down, something is broken or bent and at that point, the insurance company owns the airplane.

That airplane will fly again. A belly re-skin, new flaps, fix the gear, and fix whatever is wrong with the engine and it's as good as new. Doesn't look like a prop-strike, so no engine tear-down needed.

--Carlos V.
 
2010-01-29 03:43:59 AM  
Ciji Robinette made her brief statements at the landing site Thursday. Her husband declined to comment.

Bet he ran out of fuel because he forgot to switch tanks.
 
2010-01-29 03:46:47 AM  

Filth Paste: Bet he ran out of fuel because he forgot to switch tanks.


I bet he wouldn't ask for directions, either...
 
2010-01-29 03:52:43 AM  

Filth Paste:

Bet he ran out of fuel because he forgot to switch tanks.


If that is true, I wonder what his training is like. It was drilled into me on any engine hiccup, "boost pump, switch tanks". It will come back to life quickly if the engine is still windmilling.

And that's a T-tail Lance. Didn't the Lances switch back to a 2 tank system from a more error prone 4 tank system from the earlier Saratoga/Six?

--Carlos V.
 
2010-01-29 04:03:15 AM  
Was it a twister?
 
2010-01-29 04:06:53 AM  

Donnchadha: It saved his unborn daughter? Doesn't "unborn" imply that she had previously been born, then it was reversed so she was unborn. That's like some sort of reverse zombie -- unborn instead of undead.

I know it doesn't work like that, but now I have a mental image of what might have caused the crash -- a rampaging zombie infant.


That is just plain redicilous. But I could see maybe sometype of mutant baby. Maybe like the scene in alien or something. That would make a lot more sense
 
2010-01-29 04:39:03 AM  
"I worked it out. You know the pilot? We thought he was shouting avoidance apron. But he wasn't. I heard one of the ladies here. He wanted a - voidance apron. She called it a shiat-wrap."

http://www.martinamisweb.com/pre_2006/infoexcrpt.htm
 
2010-01-29 04:47:49 AM  
I know this guy, bought my plane from him and traded him ours.

/Wasn't the one that he landed on the road.
 
2010-01-29 06:01:19 AM  
Unbelver: The Piper gear system on their light singles and twins is electric pump hydraulic. Nothing to do with the engine.


I think it has a lot to do with the engine when you consider that a 26 year old hick with a hairdresser for a wife could afford a cherokee six. and by 'a lot to do' i mean 3000 SMOH and general condition to match or whatever :).
 
2010-01-29 06:51:15 AM  

clear_prop: Depends on the area, but fields often have fences, holes, wires, etc. Roads also have wires and bridges, but merging with traffic isn't much of an issue since landing speed of most light planes is right around highway speed.


Yeah, but is it possible to land with your left turn signal blinking the whole way?
 
2010-01-29 07:06:15 AM  
Any Landing You Can Walk Away From is a Good One But if You're Walking You Probably Broke the Airplane.
 
2010-01-29 07:57:37 AM  
Every time I look into flight training and what it costs to own/rent an airplane, I think "Who the hell has the money to do this!!? How can they call this GENERAL aviation?" I am jealous.
 
2010-01-29 08:51:33 AM  

Placebo_Effect: Every time I look into flight training and what it costs to own/rent an airplane, I think "Who the hell has the money to do this!!? How can they call this GENERAL aviation?" I am jealous.


You can buy a used 4-seater for $30,000 and fly it for $50 an hour (rough figures). Not much different than other power sports, really. It's certainly expensive, but it's something a lot of people can still afford if they're careful with their money.
 
2010-01-29 09:46:57 AM  

joness0154: My mom snapped this picture yesterday as she was driving by. Traffic was backed up for miles...


Probably because of jerks like your mom taking pictures.
 
2010-01-29 10:01:35 AM  

Click Click D'oh: joness0154: My mom snapped this picture yesterday as she was driving by. Traffic was backed up for miles...

Probably because of jerks like your mom taking pictures.


If you bothered to pay attention to the photo, you'd notice that 1) both lanes are closed and they are driving on the shoulder, and 2) the picture was taken from the passenger side.....
 
2010-01-29 10:02:44 AM  
The guy is a skydiving instructor. JUMP (new window)
 
2010-01-29 10:28:47 AM  

joness0154: 2) the picture was taken from the passenger side.....


Further proof your mother shouldn't be driving a car.
 
2010-01-29 10:59:40 AM  
joness0154: 2) the picture was taken from the passenger side.....

Further proof your mother shouldn't be driving a car.


His mom could be british and it is old habit
 
2010-01-29 11:47:58 AM  
Like my pal the pilot says of weekend traffic "Dentists in V-tailed Mooneys" as he threads his Airbus into NY TRACON...
 
2010-01-29 12:20:46 PM  

iron_city_ap: The guy is a skydiving instructor. JUMP (new window)


Might as well...
 
2010-01-29 12:22:30 PM  

Placebo_Effect: Every time I look into flight training and what it costs to own/rent an airplane, I think "Who the hell has the money to do this!!? How can they call this GENERAL aviation?" I am jealous.


You get your license, and then you join a club that owns a few airplanes. You pay monthly or yearly dues to cover fixed expenses and then pay $X/hour for use of the plane. I won't say it's inexpensive, but it's probably not out of reach if it's something you _really_ want to do.
 
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