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(Hot Air)   Rep. Paul Ryan (R-esolute) re-introducing previously ignored Republican health care reform bill. This *is* a repeat from 2008, 2009   (hotair.com ) divider line 54
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2010-01-27 03:31:37 PM  
Is that the one with the circles and stuff?
 
2010-01-27 03:33:42 PM  
Privatizing Social Security? Why has no one ever thought of that before?! Surefire problem solver, that.
 
2010-01-27 03:33:58 PM  
"Decrease the surplus population" is not a health plan.
 
2010-01-27 03:38:02 PM  

HansensDisease: "Decrease the surplus population" is not a health plan.


Hey! It worked for Hitler. They had fantastic economic growth and universal health care.
 
2010-01-27 03:38:24 PM  
Republican health care reform has been ignored for a long time, probably going back even before 2008.
 
2010-01-27 03:39:14 PM  
Would this be the plan the CBO scored as doing nothing to improve coverage, leaving the same 19% of the country uninsured, while leaving us with a larger deficit than the Democrats' bill?
 
2010-01-27 04:16:30 PM  
I can't wait for the robust debate over these new and innovative ideas.

*privatize Social Security
*medical savings accounts
*refundable tax credits
*cut in Medicare benefits for those now under 55
*flat tax on income ("fits on a postcard")
*eliminate death tax
*eliminate capital gains taxes
*replace corporate income tax with consumption tax of 8.5%

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/plan/summary.htm
 
2010-01-27 04:30:39 PM  
Bucky Katt: *privatize Social Security
*medical savings accounts
*refundable tax credits
*cut in Medicare benefits for those now under 55
*flat tax on income ("fits on a postcard")
*eliminate death tax
*eliminate capital gains taxes
*replace corporate income tax with consumption tax of 8.5%


actingschmacting.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-01-27 06:18:48 PM  
Maybe he should re-introduce the proposals that his party liked just fine in 1993 and 1971. Of course, that would look quite similar to the current proposed bill, and would make people think that they were just being obstructionist for the sake of being obstructionist.
 
2010-01-27 06:43:58 PM  

Bucky Katt: I can't wait for the robust debate over these new and innovative ideas.

*privatize Social Security
*medical savings accounts
*refundable tax credits
*cut in Medicare benefits for those now under 55
*flat tax on income ("fits on a postcard")
*eliminate death tax
*eliminate capital gains taxes
*replace corporate income tax with consumption tax of 8.5%

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/plan/summary.htm


Yeah, it's a good thing we tried them and know they don't work.
 
2010-01-27 06:53:26 PM  
I think its about time we had an "un-interesting" tag around here.
 
2010-01-27 07:02:59 PM  
Cataholic: Yeah, it's a good thing we tried them and know they don't work.

I like how most of the stuff has nothing to do with anything that would address the issue of people actually being able to afford health care.
 
2010-01-27 07:29:32 PM  
Most of those things mitigate symptoms. The core of the problem is the deathgrip insurance and pharma have over the system.

Actually, pharma loves to be able to charge you for meds that only mitigate symptoms without addressing the problem. And insurance would rather you have recurring costs instead of permanent fixes (medically speaking). Funny parallels, those.
 
2010-01-27 07:31:33 PM  
Wow! Republicans have NEVER had majorities in both houses and the presidency! There's NO WAY they could have implemented their ideas for health insurance reform before now!
 
2010-01-27 07:33:50 PM  

The Icelander: Wow! Republicans have NEVER had majorities in both houses and the presidency! There's NO WAY they could have implemented their ideas for health insurance reform before now!


For that matter, they never got SS privatization done either, even when it was their President's priority!
 
2010-01-27 08:17:08 PM  
I'm so "glad" that they have laid out their "arguments" for a republican healthcare "reform" bill "instead of" simply overusing "scare quotes" to make the "progressive" reform appear "scary" in contrast.
 
2010-01-27 08:41:10 PM  
Hmmm. Over all, I'd have to say that it's a handjob to the insurance companies similar to the Dem's plan, but with more focus on the balls. Let's take a closer look.

Small Business Relief. Allows small businesses to pool together nationally

That's not a bad idea. If we're going to keep the employer based and market model, I could support that.

Auto-Enrollment. Each State is to develop auto-enrollment

It looks like the GOP wants a mandate, but only for those eligible for Medicaid.

High Risk Pools. Funds are to be used to help low-income individuals and families (as defined by the State

Looks like gay families won't be getting any of the socialism.

Renames it the Healthcare Services Commission [HSC] governed along the same lines as the Securities and Exchange Commission, and managed by five commissioners chosen from the private sector, appointed by the President, and approved by the Senate.

Hey look! An expansion of government! Only this one will be run by people with financial interests in the matter. Man, oh man, it's like the recent SCOTUS ruling made it rain in their champagne room.

TITLE IV: SOCIAL SECURITY REFORM

Yeah, let's just make it more complicated and subject to market fluctuations, but also increase and guarantee the payouts.

TITLE V: SIMPLIFIED INCOME TAX

Sure. Let's throw in a reformation of the tax code while we're at it. Because health care alone has been so damned easy and civil.

Wow. I'm sold. How about the rest of you.
 
2010-01-27 08:44:28 PM  
Racht 2010-01-27 03:39:14 PM Would this be the plan the CBO scored as doing nothing to improve coverage, leaving the same 19% of the country uninsured, while leaving us with a larger deficit than the Democrats' bill?
===========================================

it would not cover as many and give us a much bigger hole in the deficit.

But... it doesn't raise taxes. So therefore, it's AWESOME. (In republican world)
 
2010-01-27 08:47:27 PM  
FTFA It also eliminates the barriers to interstate competition for health insurance, which will increase competition and lower costs.

This will defiantly help and I support this over the Dems proposal. An example can be given to Auto Insurance, when the government did the same in the 70's and auto insurance rates dropped dramatically over time.

/Also I do think that Tort reform will go a long way in helping to reduce health insurance costs.
 
2010-01-27 08:47:39 PM  
Ah yes, reform health care by changing a bunch of things that have nothing to do with health care and hand a bunch of money to wealthy interests and trust that the extra money will trickle down somehow and indirectly benefit health care. Because rich people got rich by giving money to the little people.
 
2010-01-27 08:49:41 PM  
FTA: [The bill] attempts to delink employment and health insurance with a refundable tax credit that allows people to purchase their own plans.

Dammit, I hate clicking through on the right-wing retarded websites as I hate giving them page hits but I did on this thinking just maybe there'd be something put forth other than the same old GOP stupidity. I should have known as the only thing answer the GOP ever proposes is tax cuts.
 
2010-01-27 08:51:07 PM  
So their healthcare plan is... tax cuts?
 
2010-01-27 08:52:28 PM  

shinjitsuism: This will defiantly help and I support this over the Dems proposal. An example can be given to Auto Insurance, when the government did the same in the 70's and auto insurance rates dropped dramatically over time.


Or like how when the Credit Card companies were allowed to do this and interest rates dropped. Oh wait...

/Also I do think that Tort reform will go a long way in helping to reduce health insurance costs.

Because something that makes up 1% of healthcare costs certainly will lower them.
 
2010-01-27 08:53:06 PM  

Gosling: So their healthcare plan is... tax cuts?


Everything is tax cuts.
 
2010-01-27 08:54:35 PM  
...oh, God, I might wind up represented by this yutz in the redistricting. Ryan has a reputation for letting his district burn while he builds a national profile. He pretty much sat on his ass and watched while a GM plant pulled out of his farking hometown.
 
2010-01-27 08:59:59 PM  

Bucky Katt: I can't wait for the robust debate over these new and innovative ideas.

*privatize Social Security
*medical savings accounts
*refundable tax credits
*cut in Medicare benefits for those now under 55
*flat tax on income ("fits on a postcard")
*eliminate death tax
*eliminate capital gains taxes
*replace corporate income tax with consumption tax of 8.5%

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/plan/summary.htm


Well, I'll be danged.

I was just coming in to say, "Let me guess: eliminate capital gains and estate taxes?"

That Poe's Law dude knew what he was talking about.
 
2010-01-27 09:07:03 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Is that the one with the circles and stuff?


Nope (new window).
 
2010-01-27 09:14:09 PM  
I've never understood how the whole interstate insurance purchasing thing would work. Sure, living in Massachusetts I could purchase some great insurance from a company in Wisconsin but I'll probably have a hard time finding a primary care physician that I can go to on my lunch hour.
 
2010-01-27 09:15:46 PM  
Okay. So how exactly is encouraging the end of employer-based health insurance supposed to work out for someone like my mom who is actually sick (cancer survivor)?

Because it's not like the insurers are falling over themselves to offer private plans to her, you know? Maybe they are in Rand-topia, but not in Kansas.

Ah.. here is is.

High Risk Pools. Funds are to be used to help low-income individuals and families

So, if she quits her job (maybe picks up some Walmart hours), she can get socialized medicine. Now, normally, socialized medicine is bad. But, this is socialized medicine designed to help insure the profits of private insurance company CEOs from having to cover sick people, so that's good socialism.
 
2010-01-27 09:20:47 PM  

shinjitsuism: FTFA It also eliminates the barriers to interstate competition for health insurance, which will increase competition and lower costs.

This will defiantly help and I support this over the Dems proposal. An example can be given to Auto Insurance, when the government did the same in the 70's and auto insurance rates dropped dramatically over time.


This is demonstrably not true. The 1980s saw some of the largest increases in auto insurance premiums despite slowed inflation and a decrease in accident rates. The average rate of increase was twice that of the CPI from 1980-1984 and 9% from 1984-1989.


/Also I do think that Tort reform will go a long way in helping to reduce health insurance costs.


No. It's a good Karl Rove talking point, but no. It's not going to do anything. 37 states already have tort reforms. It hasn't done anything to keep costs under control.
 
2010-01-27 09:28:29 PM  

Mordant: Republican health care reform has been ignored for a long time, probably going back even before 2008.


Because they always wait till everyone hates them so much, they could promise the sky, moon and stars to everyone in the land, and the voters would say F*CK YOU! WE HATE IT! Where was this plan when it would have looked good, like say six months ago when they were busy shooting down Obamacare, but had no viable options of their own?
 
2010-01-27 09:33:51 PM  

Bucky Katt: *privatize Social Security


I only wish we'd managed to do this back in Bush's first term.


*medical savings accounts

Unhelpful.


*refundable tax credits

That's OK I guess. Not sure what it's supposed to accomplish, but sure, I like money.


*cut in Medicare benefits for those now under 55

So it's more like health not care?


*flat tax on income ("fits on a postcard")

That'll be flat for all income, including capital gains, right?


*eliminate death tax

Were I or anyone I know rolling in enough dough to be hit by this I might be able to give a fark. Ah, America, where inherited titles are completely silly but inherited fortunes are just good, common sense.


*eliminate capital gains taxes

So I guess that's a no on my earlier question, huh?


*replace corporate income tax with consumption tax of 8.5%

Is that like a VAT? I'd entertain the idea.
 
2010-01-27 09:36:04 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Where was this plan when it would have looked good, like say six months ago when they were busy shooting down Obamacare, but had no viable options of their own?


Far more important than "where was this plan six months ago" is "where was this plan four years ago", when the GOP had control of both chambers of Congress and the White House, and were willing to use reconciliation to pass bills that the Dems didn't like?

Oh, yeah. Apparently health care/costs weren't a big concern to anyone back then.
 
2010-01-27 10:18:34 PM  
Oh, good, I needed my annual reminder to be rich or don't get sick.
 
2010-01-27 11:13:25 PM  
Ah, the unbeatable 1. Tax cuts! 2. ??? 3. Profit! model of health care reform. How could it not work? It's foolproof!

/or proof of fools
 
2010-01-27 11:17:05 PM  

Bucky Katt: I can't wait for the robust debate over these new and innovative ideas.

*privatize Social Security
*medical savings accounts
*refundable tax credits
*cut in Medicare benefits for those now under 55
*flat tax on income ("fits on a postcard")
*eliminate death tax
*eliminate capital gains taxes
*replace corporate income tax with consumption tax of 8.5%

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/plan/summary.htm


You forgot one.

img10.imageshack.us
 
2010-01-27 11:56:04 PM  
farking Paul Ryan. Nothing but Janesville trash.
 
2010-01-27 11:58:28 PM  

shinjitsuism: FTFA It also eliminates the barriers to interstate competition for health insurance, which will increase competition and lower costs.

This will defiantly help and I support this over the Dems proposal. An example can be given to Auto Insurance, when the government did the same in the 70's and auto insurance rates dropped dramatically over time.

/Also I do think that Tort reform will go a long way in helping to reduce health insurance costs.


Drink!!
 
2010-01-27 11:59:40 PM  

Gosling: ...oh, God, I might wind up represented by this yutz in the redistricting. Ryan has a reputation for letting his district burn while he builds a national profile. He pretty much sat on his ass and watched while a GM plant pulled out of his farking hometown.


I have been there. Was redistricted out of his district something like 8 years ago. I am so thankful I am not in Tammy's district.
 
2010-01-28 12:06:50 AM  

Mordant: Republican health care reform has been ignored for a long time, probably going back even before 2008.


Yes, because it's the following:

Lower Taxes
"Tort Reform" (meaning, no one making less than $250K has the right to sue a doctor)
Lower Taxes
No healthcare for illegals
Lower Taxes
Mandatory insurance plans
Lower Taxes
and, in case it hasn't been mentioned yet, Lower Taxes.
 
2010-01-28 12:26:03 AM  

Lawnchair: Gyrfalcon: Where was this plan when it would have looked good, like say six months ago when they were busy shooting down Obamacare, but had no viable options of their own?

Far more important than "where was this plan six months ago" is "where was this plan four years ago", when the GOP had control of both chambers of Congress and the White House, and were willing to use reconciliation to pass bills that the Dems didn't like?

Oh, yeah. Apparently health care/costs weren't a big concern to anyone back then.


Either way.

About the only thing I REALLY hate about the Republican party is that they do everything in their power to shoot down anything the Democrats offer (and they've been doing it for decades, this is nothing new), but never offer anything as an alternative.

Are you scared we might actually LIKE your counteroffer, GOP, and then you'd have to actually deliver on a promise for a change? Or can you just not think of anything different? It doesn't have to be BETTER, but DIFFERENT would be nice.

/and this from a committed anarcho-nihilist who hates all parties equally.
 
2010-01-28 12:41:41 AM  

Cataholic: Bucky Katt: I can't wait for the robust debate over these new and innovative ideas.

*privatize Social Security
*medical savings accounts
*refundable tax credits
*cut in Medicare benefits for those now under 55
*flat tax on income ("fits on a postcard")
*eliminate death tax
*eliminate capital gains taxes
*replace corporate income tax with consumption tax of 8.5%

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/plan/summary.htm

Yeah, it's a good thing we tried them and know they don't work.


Oh, I'm sure they would "work" - for the purposes of those who propose them. I'm sure Osama Bin Laden has some "proposals" for this country that would "work" too.
 
2010-01-28 02:21:50 AM  

Racht: Would this be the plan the CBO scored as doing nothing to improve coverage, leaving the same 19% of the country uninsured, while leaving us with a larger deficit than the Democrats' bill?


It still cut the deficit by $68 billion over ten years, reduced premiums more than any of the Democratic bills, and cost only $61 billion.

True, it left many people without coverage, but it still does some good things.
 
2010-01-28 03:29:54 AM  
Is it just me, or does the Republican plan seem to be completely unconcerned about the number of people who lack affordable health care coverage?
 
2010-01-28 05:06:44 AM  

HowDareYouCallMeAHoser: Racht: Would this be the plan the CBO scored as doing nothing to improve coverage, leaving the same 19% of the country uninsured, while leaving us with a larger deficit than the Democrats' bill?

It still cut the deficit by $68 billion over ten years, reduced premiums more than any of the Democratic bills, and cost only $61 billion.

True, it left many people without coverage, but it still does some good things.


You know who else "still did some good things"?
/I think the current senate bill is toothless
//but I sure-as-shiat don't want Hitlercare
 
2010-01-28 08:46:42 AM  

fallingcow: Bucky Katt: *privatize Social Security

I only wish we'd managed to do this back in Bush's first term.



Yeah, then the implosion of the financial sector would have wiped out everything. Good call, jackass. All your eggs in one irresponsibly handled basket!

=Smidge=
/Used to think it was a good idea myself.
//Obviously it isn't.
 
2010-01-28 09:36:50 AM  

Gosling: ...oh, God, I might wind up represented by this yutz in the redistricting. Ryan has a reputation for letting his district burn while he builds a national profile. He pretty much sat on his ass and watched while a GM plant pulled out of his farking hometown.


Hey. At least you aren't stuck with Sensenbrenner.
 
2010-01-28 10:37:09 AM  

HowDareYouCallMeAHoser: Racht: Would this be the plan the CBO scored as doing nothing to improve coverage, leaving the same 19% of the country uninsured, while leaving us with a larger deficit than the Democrats' bill?

It still cut the deficit by $68 billion over ten years, reduced premiums more than any of the Democratic bills, and cost only $61 billion.

True, it left many people without coverage, but it still does some good things.


no, it cut premiums more then the senate bill. the house bill had it beat. course then again, the house bill couldn't pull off deficit neutral, let alone actually cutting it, so the extra was essentially the difference in hand outs, but lets keep our facts straight. (it also expanded coverage, but that was for poor people, minorities, and gheys, so nobody cares)
 
2010-01-28 10:40:29 AM  

Cataholic: Bucky Katt: I can't wait for the robust debate over these new and innovative ideas.

*privatize Social Security
*medical savings accounts
*refundable tax credits
*cut in Medicare benefits for those now under 55
*flat tax on income ("fits on a postcard")
*eliminate death tax
*eliminate capital gains taxes
*replace corporate income tax with consumption tax of 8.5%

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/plan/summary.htm

Yeah, it's a good thing we tried them and know they don't work.


They don't? I love my medical savings account. I want to see the program expanded (not killed like the Democrats want).

How is eliminating death taxes bad? How is simplifying the horrendously complicated tax code bad? Unless you're some kid who still files the EZ form or you're a 30 year old shopping card pusher, you might have seen how complicated the tax system is. You've really seen it if you've ever tried to start a business.

Medicare and Social Security will collapse. Why not start planning a path that helps people who don't need them move to other things in a fair way?
 
2010-01-28 10:47:17 AM  

theinsultabot9000: HowDareYouCallMeAHoser: Racht: Would this be the plan the CBO scored as doing nothing to improve coverage, leaving the same 19% of the country uninsured, while leaving us with a larger deficit than the Democrats' bill?

It still cut the deficit by $68 billion over ten years, reduced premiums more than any of the Democratic bills, and cost only $61 billion.

True, it left many people without coverage, but it still does some good things.

no, it cut premiums more then the senate bill. the house bill had it beat. course then again, the house bill couldn't pull off deficit neutral, let alone actually cutting it, so the extra was essentially the difference in hand outs, but lets keep our facts straight. (it also expanded coverage, but that was for poor people, minorities, and gheys, so nobody cares)


It's too bad that insurance companies discriminate against minorities and gays.
 
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