Milk ethics: cereal business.

I'm not an animal rights hippie at all. Milk is disgusting enough on its own. Even if it fell from the sky like rain, I would still find this thick fatty fluid repulsive.

Barakku: Milk ethics: cereal business.

are you super cereal?



just ate a bowl of cereal.
/excelsior

I've been to the dairy where I get my milk. I've seen how they treat them and it's quite nice.

\Know where your food comes from

I don't care if the farmer needs to rape the cow on an hourly basis for the creamy goodness.

I still get my milk in glass bottles from a local dairy co-op or a family friends farm.

The Icelander
Know where your food comes from

Pretty much this.

FTFA: huge ... dairy operation

Well, there's your problem. It's a question of economics. Huge farms suck, but they're massively profitable. This is why small family farms should be encouraged, because they do their best to do everything sustainably.

The Icelander: I've been to the dairy where I get my milk. I've seen how they treat them and it's quite nice.

\Know where your food comes from

Fair Oaks?

I can't drink milk anyway (lactose intolerant) so I drink something called "Coconut Milk." Probably a lot like the almond milk drink. But I still buy for my family. I'm definitely in favor of paying a little more for organic and "free-range" animals providing the food. I wish more farms who treat their animals well would put that fact in their ads. I think more folks would respond to that in a positive way.

Lilmama: I'm definitely in favor of paying a little more for organic and "free-range" animals providing the food.

A little secret about organic animal products: They're not allowed to use antibiotics or they'll lose their organic status, so the animals often suffer from easily treated ailments rather than being given antibiotics to clear them up.

True, this is a response to factory farms indiscriminately giving antibiotics to entire herds, but if you have two equally nice farms it's usually nicer for the animals to go to the one that's free-range rather than organic.

\Buys free range beef rather than organic for this reason

basemetal: I have to post this as NSFW. Link (new window) NSFW

Seriously? Boobs are not safe for work? Somebody should tell that to Gina down in accounting.

I get my milk from a "neighbor" who has 3 cows, if you've never had fresh milk you are missing out. So rich.

The Icelander: I've been to the dairy where I get my milk. I've seen how they treat them and it's quite nice.

\Know where your food comes from

i agree

Megain: i agree

Mine doesn't have a fancy web site. ^{(^)}

\Have been to the dairy, though
\\Happy, clean cows make delicious milk

I'd rather stop drinking any form of milk altogether than switch to soy "milk." Can't stand that stuff.

How about we simply enforce the laws we already have?

does not approve

friendinpa: I still get my milk in glass bottles from a local dairy co-op or a family friends farm.

The Icelander
Know where your food comes from

Pretty much this.

Yeeeeeah. How about Safeway?

It makes me want to buy milk from the local Dairy, not get it up. Dairy milk is a million times better anyway.

I started to RTFA and got to animal rights and closed it.

/baby, bathwater....so bet it.

Milk tastes so much better when the cow is crying.

/not really

It's going to take a lot more than that to turn me off cow juice.

Is this the thread full of organic soy drinking hippies that have never been around an actual cow to know how stupid they are?

/I only put cream on my cereal
//whole milk for drinking because skim is disgusting

In before some clever and original guy re-posts Maddox Pics or "People Eating Tasty Animals."

The Icelander: I've been to the dairy where I get my milk. I've seen how they treat them and it's quite nice.

\Know where your food comes from

This. You want to buy the $2.99/gal milk at the gas station? Go for it, but don't be surprised at the tradeoffs necessary to get it down to that price.

The Icelander: Megain: i agree

Mine doesn't have a fancy web site. (^)

\Have been to the dairy, though
\\Happy, clean cows make delicious milk

i need to get up to the dairy one of these days with a camera. might make for a fun day trip this spring

I find the thought of drinking cow milk repulsive.

May I pose a question?

Why do we drink milk meant for a calf and not milk meant for humans? Would you drink breast milk as an adult?

Soy juice.

The very thought of cow's milk makes me want to puke. The preparation and use of this foul ooze is of no concern to me.

In before some clever and original guy re-posts Maddox Pics or "People Eating Tasty Animals."booger42: I started to RTFA and got to animal rights and closed it.

Hur, dur.

Animal rights is for fagots!

That's why I drive to the farm in the town where I grew up. You can see the cows in the fields, and bring kids to the barn to pet them.

Fish Family Farm (pops)

/good ol' mid-90's web design.

crying over spilt milk. tehe/boohoo

Makh:

And it's jersey milk. Very tasty.

if jersey is known for one thing, it is their milk.

Steigen: /I only put cream on my cereal

For fresh breath all day, I recommend gargling with half-and-half each morning.

switching to breast milk

Poppyale: Would you drink breast milk as an adult?

Who's?

Good lord, i grew up in dairy country.

That's supposed cruelty? That's NOTHING.

Poppyale: I find the thought of drinking cow milk repulsive.

May I pose a question?

Why do we drink milk meant for a calf and not milk meant for humans? Would you drink breast milk as an adult?

yes, yes I would

/only straight from the bulging, beautiful tap
//fap

benlonghair: This is why small family farms should be encouraged, because they do their best to do everything sustainably.

This has to start with the consumer. As long as people want to buy milk for a dollar a gallon at Walmart rather than paying a little more and buying local, the large industrial "factory" farms will flourish.

I'm beating the shiat out of a cow right now while milking it, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

keiverarrow: The psuedoestrogen in soymilk makes you grow man titties...almond milk instead my son

That would explain my emotional outbursts directed at my wife...
Good thing I don't drink it often enough.

/you can keep your hippie drink.

Poppyale: I find the thought of drinking cow milk repulsive.

May I pose a question?

Why do we drink milk meant for a calf and not milk meant for humans? Would you drink breast milk as an adult?

This may blow your mind, but cultures all over the world have been using milk from cows, sheep, goats, and other mammals to create various dairy foods for hundreds of years.

Poppyale: Would you drink breast milk as an adult?

Only direct from the source.

I like to know where my food comes from.

Milk it, then grill it.

The cruelty enhances the flavor.

Poor little calfs are afraid.
The cow-herds.

If you eat a vegetarian does it make your pee stink?

Seriously, if you don't want to drink milk, don't. Meanwhile stop whining about the people who do.

Poppyale: I find the thought of drinking cow milk repulsive.

May I pose a question?

Why do we drink milk meant for a calf and not milk meant for humans? Would you drink breast milk as an adult?

This is Fark. You know the answer.

Regardless of how "nice the farm looks", keep in mind they slaughter half of all the "dairy" cows-- You know, the ones that can't produce milk.

The Icelander 2010-01-27 10:45:10 AM
Megain: i agree

Mine doesn't have a fancy web site. (^)

\Have been to the dairy, though
\\Happy, clean cows make delicious milk

If I remember correctly, you're a fellow Lancasterian. Try trekking out to New Holland and visit Lapp Valley Dairy. Best damn ice cream you will ever have in your life, and possibly served up by the smokin' hot oldest Amish daughter.

rmz: Poppyale: I find the thought of drinking cow milk repulsive.

May I pose a question?

Why do we drink milk meant for a calf and not milk meant for humans? Would you drink breast milk as an adult?

This may blow your mind, but cultures all over the world have been using milk from cows, sheep, goats, and other mammals to create various dairy foods for hundreds of years.


Hmmm. Mind blowing indeed. *snark*
You completely missed my point.

The Pho King: This has to start with the consumer. As long as people want to buy milk for a dollar a gallon at Walmart rather than paying a little more and buying local, the large industrial "factory" farms will flourish.

I love how people are bad because they would like the lowest price available.

and no, this is not why "small family farms should be encouraged," This is why the regulations we already have must be ENFORCED.

Nice false dichotomy.

*Puts down Bacon Cheeseburger*

Milk? Never tough that nasty pus filled shiat. What they do to those animals is barbaric!

*Picks up Bacon Cheeseburger*

doglover: Try almond milk. I defy ANYONE to choose homoginized cow piss over the delicious white nectar of almonds.

I will do that tonight. I've seen almond milk in my local grocery, and am intrigued. I loves me some almonds.

did some one say grilled cow?

Can those shiatheads ever get some perspective, or are they just permanently, irreversibly farked up? I mean, Haiti is in shambles, Taliban is joining the gov, Obama is losing it, debt deadbeats are making money suing collectors, it just went up to 60 degree in NY a few days ago, and those douchebags are worried about cows not getting whacked on the head with a wrench???

They need to be whacked on the head with a wrench.

Sure, it's their right to complain. It just goes to expose their horrific doucheness.

Another reason I'm vegan.

Smarshmallow: Poppyale: Would you drink breast milk as an adult?

Who's?

Sure did, when my wife was pregnant. Warm and sugary. Highly recommend if you can find a fresh source.

Moooving story.

I love cows.

Grilled.

Nope I'll just keep drinking milk. Thanks for the concern though..

Poppyale: Hmmm. Mind blowing indeed. *snark*

WHOOSH

What a not so happy cow may look like.

stewmadness: Smarshmallow: Poppyale: Would you drink breast milk as an adult?

Who's?

Sure did, when my wife was pregnant. Warm and sugary. Highly recommend if you can find a fresh source.

Hah, you got me thinking of what possible "unfresh" sources you may find. Like, you'll be wandering through little Russia and stumble upon a Human Dairy with HuMilk of questionable freshness.

The fear and pain that the cows experience give the dairy products I purchase a slight tangy taste that I find enjoyable. By all means, continue to torture the cows.

Not so happy cows. Prepare to switch to soy milk juice after reading this. Not safe for cereal.

FTFY

Oh no, cows are unhappy? Really? Is this supposed to deter the people who believed ridiculous industry ads or what?

/lactose intolerant
//I eat things way less happy than a cow with a short tail.

Every time I see some wacko animal rights crap I think of Death's date on Family Guy:

http://www.foodincmovie.com/

For some reason I'm craving cheese steaks & a huge glass of milk.

Crocodilly_Pontifex

I love how people are bad because they would like the lowest price available.

You just don't get it, poor people shouldn't be able to eat!

/I keed

Wow, the anti-milk crowd sure is butthurt.
Get over yourselves. It's a wonderful drink.

We get our milk delivered from a small local dairy. No BGH, old fashioned glass bottles, local company, and yummy fresh milk.

The Icelander: Mine doesn't have a fancy web site. (^)

\Have been to the dairy, though
\\Happy, clean cows make delicious milk



I love Central Market! Maplehofe is great

Graet cheese comes from happy cows.
Happy cows come from California.
/California: it's the cheese.

You don't even want to know what they do to the soy to get milk.

The Icelander: A little secret about organic animal products: They're not allowed to use antibiotics or they'll lose their organic status, so the animals often suffer from easily treated ailments rather than being given antibiotics to clear them up.

True, this is a response to factory farms indiscriminately giving antibiotics to entire herds, but if you have two equally nice farms it's usually nicer for the animals to go to the one that's free-range rather than organic.

\Buys free range beef rather than organic for this reason

The real solution to this is that antibiotics should be outright banned for non-therapeutic use (ie, encouraging growth), period. Then they could ease the organic standard a little to allow the use of antibiotics for therapeutic use without worrying about that becoming a huge loophole. I don't see any reason we should allow the promotion of drug resistance anyway by giving antibiotics as mass prophylaxis. That has serious consequences for human health. If the issue is that it's impossible to have animals in concentrated factory farms without them getting sick otherwise, oh well, I guess we'll have to stop doing that.

This is why I raise my own cow in the backyard (next to the organic garden) and drink the milk straight from the teat... after receiving permission from the cow, of course.

Yeah someone else told me that a year ago, after seeing me do it.

Also, came for the Kingpin reference, and left disappointed.

Ugh, okay... I laughed when the cow got smacked in the head.

I dunno. I just dunno. I mean, do happy women's juice smell or taste any better?

Anyway who has ever been around a group of cows for two minutes wouldn't give a damn how those things are treated. Cows are brainless, smelly, and immensely stupid....much like hippies but without the ability to roll a few.

/Don't care how hippies are treated either

doglover: Try almond milk. I defy ANYONE to choose homoginized cow piss over the delicious white nectar of almonds.

I heartily endorse this sentiment. Let the calves have their mothers' milk.

LaraAmber: We get our milk delivered from a small local dairy. No BGH, old fashioned glass bottles, local company, and yummy fresh milk.

BGH doesn't affect milk in any way. If facts don't deter you, maybe you'd be interested in some Organic Maple Syrup

TFA: These animals are really treated as little more than milk-producing machines

That's what they are.

Poppyale: I find the thought of drinking cow milk repulsive.

May I pose a question?

Why do we drink milk meant for a calf and not milk meant for humans? Would you drink breast milk as an adult?

Easy answer: Because we require calcium to live. Milk is a great source of calcium. We need calcium for healthy bones & teeth, for proper blood clotting, and muscle & nerve function.

Why drink milk meant for a calf? Considering we spent thousands of years domesticating cows, protecting them from the elements and predators, breeding them to meet our needs, and taking them around the world, they sorta owe us.

I suck on a preggo's tit for milk.

Just doing my part.

IdBeCrazyIf: I don't care if the farmer needs to rape the cow on an hourly basis for the creamy goodness.

They don't need to. It's more of a 'choice' thing.

trappedspirit: You failed biology, right?

Dude, cows have four stomachs, and each stomach leads to its own bladder and finally, its own cowdick.

The udder is just a huge ballsack with 4 cowdicks hanging from it.

BobtheFascist: For some reason I'm craving cheese steaks & a huge glass of milk.

I'm craving milksteak with a side of jelly beans.

DECMATH 2010-01-27 11:19:09 AM

doglover: Try almond milk. I defy ANYONE to choose homoginized cow piss over the delicious white nectar of almonds.

I heartily endorse this sentiment. Let the calves have their mothers' milk.


If milk is so repellant, why do you want to use the word to describe what you can get from almonds?
As there are no almond titties, it can't be milk.

I love dairy products, don't care if you have to cut off cow tails to make it. I don't really give a shiat if cows experience pain since I'm not a cow.

vernonFL

People should limit their dairy consumption anyway.

Milk is for baby cows, not humans.

Is this also for baby cows only:

1) Cheese
2) Yogurt
3) Whey protein
4) Ice cream

In addition to the thousands of other products where milk or milk derived products play a significant role?

There's no such thing as soy "milk"...



/hot

LaraAmber: Why drink milk meant for a calf? Considering we spent thousands of years domesticating cows, protecting them from the elements and predators, breeding them to meet our needs, and taking them around the world, they sorta owe us.

If it wasn't for humans, cows and chickens would've been extinct a long time ago.

this is just udder nonsense

There's a reason American milk is BANNED in Europe.

Monsanto pumps the cows all full of antiobiotics and steroids that the milk that comes out sometimes has a SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PUS, but they just bleach that shiat right out of there.

The colour of the pus gets bleached out, I mean. Not the actual pus.

Cows injected with rBGH show heavy localization of IGF-1 in breast (udder) epithelial cells. This does not occur in untreated cows. Cows are also affected in other ways by rBGH, through increased rates of mastitis, an udder infection. Industry data show up to an 80 percent incidence of mastitis in hormone-treated cattle, resulting in the contamination of milk with significant levels of pus. Mastitis requires the use of antibiotics to treat, which leaves residues to pass on through the milk for human consumption.


Linkie

benlonghair: FTFA: huge ... dairy operation

Well, there's your problem. It's a question of economics. Huge farms suck, but they're massively profitable. This is why small family farms should be encouraged, because they do their best to do everything sustainably.

I've yet to see this in action though. they cannot compete with the big business that is these large operations.

People want to pay as little as they can for a good they want. I hear grumbles galore when milk edges above $3 around here.

I can only imagine what gnashing of teeth will occur if it topped $5, or $10 a gallon.

iFark-iPhone: Can those shiatheads ever get some perspective, or are they just permanently, irreversibly farked up? I mean, Haiti is in shambles, Taliban is joining the gov, Obama is losing it, debt deadbeats are making money suing collectors, it just went up to 60 degree in NY a few days ago, and those douchebags are worried about cows not getting whacked on the head with a wrench???

They need to be whacked on the head with a wrench.

Sure, it's their right to complain. It just goes to expose their horrific doucheness.

Don't forget billions wasted on space programs

Also Americans treat cows much better than than French (NSFW if you don't want to see animals butchered alive)

Steigen: Is this the thread full of organic soy drinking hippies that have never been around an actual cow to know how stupid they are?

/I only put cream on my cereal
//whole milk for drinking because skim is disgusting

THIS.

So much this. I've tried all the variants of "milk substitute" you can think up. Soy milk makes me want to vomit (because that's what it tastes like to me) Almond, coconut, and any other nut "milk" you can throw at me tastes all well and good...but they TASTE LIKE THE NUT THEY ARE SQUEEZED FROM. If I wanted nuts, I'd eat nuts. I want my wonderful, lactose-filled, creamy white moo-juice.

/one idiotic mass-producing farm does not an industry make.
//Grew up in a dairy-producing county where cows outnumbered the people by approximately 2:1.
///My Lawn, Get Off It.

vernonFL: People should limit their dairy consumption anyway.

Milk is for baby cows, not humans.

And tits are for babies, not guys.

And humans have tortured and manipulated all kinds of plants to make crops and fruits that we know today. Not to mention what they have done to turn wolves into dogs. Seriously, do you know what they do to breed dogs?

Can we just massacre the stupid already?

The animal rights people are only half right (that's not an intended pun but I couldn't avoid it.) Cows give cow milk for their babies, but we steal some of their milk to drink it ourselves. This would be wrong because the baby cows, known as calfs, need milk to live. Luckily cows have evolved 4 nipples which is two more than people have (most people, at least. I know one person with three nipples, and I know another person that only has one but that's another story and it was a man so his nipples aren't vital to his life).

With two of the nipples the cow can feed her calfs (baby cows) and with the other two nipples she can share her milk with humans or other animal mammal babies, including goats, cats, leopards, doves, puppies, and capybaras, which are the worlds largest rodents that are alive today (there used to be larger rodents in long-ago times, they lived in south America as well and could eat a stork in a single bite).

So I think the animal rights people should compromise and say that we can only take the milk from the left nipples and leave the right nipples for the animals... animal rights could be the slogan because of the hidden double meaning.

jakomo002: a SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PUS

Would that be, like, a HUGE BOWL OF PUS?

hailin: Anyway who has ever been around a group of cows for two minutes wouldn't give a damn how those things are treated. Cows are brainless, smelly, and immensely stupid....much like hippies but without the ability to roll a few.

/Don't care how hippies are treated either

Really? I raised cows, I found they all had personalities just like dogs. Still sent them off to slaughter.

gopher321: Well, I did my part - I switched from whole milk to skim.

Why?

Skim is worthless. You are getting rid of the healthy fats and proteins.

Okay after doing some more searching, I can't find a documented instance where they found the farmers bleaching away the pus, so I apologize for the error, Dairy Industry.

It's the antiobiotics they have to give the cows to reduce the mastitis that appears to be the health issue.

Still surfing.

Throw the animal righters into Haiti, or any far out place, for a few days. Give them a cow. Watch and enjoy the irony.

Douchebags, few things are more despicably despicable.

It was already mentioned early but almond milk is truly a great substitute. None of the weird aftertaste associated with soy milk and none of the strange masking flavors of rice or coconut milk (both of which are still vastly superior to soy milk imo).

My wife is casein intolerate so we switched for that reason, but in all seriousness cow's milk is pretty bad for humans especially after 2 years of age.

I hope I do not come back in my next life as a cow.

/mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Also, something like 50% of humans are lactose intolerant.


78.2% of statistics are made up on the spot

doubled99: Also, something like 50% of humans are lactose intolerant.


78.2% of statistics are made up on the spot

He is including asia in that statistic which did not historically have wide spread access to milk in the first place.

cowsspinach: I hope I do not come back in my next life as a cow

the coast should be clear as long as youre born as an Indian cow

But pus is what gives milk its rich, creamy taste. Amirite?

/srsly, pretty much all milk now says its rBGH-free, even the Walmart shiat

stuhayes2010: hailin: Anyway who has ever been around a group of cows for two minutes wouldn't give a damn how those things are treated. Cows are brainless, smelly, and immensely stupid....much like hippies but without the ability to roll a few.

/Don't care how hippies are treated either

Really? I raised cows, I found they all had personalities just like dogs. Still sent them off to slaughter.


They do. I have lots of cow friends.
/dur dur dur

doubled99: Also, something like 50% of humans are lactose intolerant.


78.2% of statistics are made up on the spot

No, I wager it's more like 65%.

dnrtfa-

i enjoy milk. i have been trying to lose weight (down 15 and still got some more to go) and much like alton brown, i learned that milk is my gateway drug. it causes me to do very bad things...cookies, brownies, cakes, pies, etc... i've cut back on the milk and cut down on my sugary snacks. portion size and willpower are my first few steps.

ok...i sound fat. but, i am not as fat as i was two months ago...

Let me see if I can sum this up...

My milk is better than your milk, damn you're stupid if you don't interview the cow you get milk from before you drink it's milk to make sure it's happy and comfortable, food obtained from any non-human source is not fit for human consumption, cow milk from a dairy is better than cow milk that doesn't come from a dairy (??), milk from fruits and nuts is better than cow milk.

Nothing else to see here...move along.

I went without milk for a whole month while nursing my cranky, gassy firstborn. It was the worst month of my life.

Mmmmm. Milk. Like a meal in liquid form.

Monsanto admitted to receiving 95 reports in the first 6 months of sales from farmers with problems. 36 cows treated with the drug died and 14 farmers have reported problems with mastitis. Monsanto did not report the case of a farmer in Florida who lost 9 cows and stated that another 15% of his herd needed to be culled (killed). His milk was rejected due to high pus content as a result of mastitis. This follows the same pattern as the farmer in New York who lost a quarter of his dairy herd to rBGH and the multiple reports from farmers who lost small numbers of cows shortly after introduction of rBGH, due to things like internal hemorrhaging.

Ew.

Ewww

There looks to be a whole milk-hating subculture out there. Who knew. Maybe disgruntled Monsanto internet conspiracists, but it does make one pause.

I can't remember the name of the documentary I saw where it showed a bunch of Monsanto cows with giant distended udders oozing pus, but I'll try hard not to remember.

Smarshmallow: LaraAmber: We get our milk delivered from a small local dairy. No BGH, old fashioned glass bottles, local company, and yummy fresh milk.

BGH doesn't affect milk in any way. If facts don't deter you, maybe you'd be interested in some Organic Maple Syrup

You mean these facts?

1. It's cruel to the animals: making them more prone to infection requiring even more dosing with antibiotics WHICH DO get into the milk.
2. It increases levels of other hormones in the cows, which also get passed into the milk.
3. There is conflicting research on whether it encourages the growth of tumors, so that's still being studied.
4. They still aren't sure what the long term ramifications of these hormones in the human body will be, since they haven't been used that long. It doesn't get broken down by pasteurization and DOES get absorbed by the human body.
5. It's illegal in Canada and Europe.
6. The AMA president recommends that US hospitals use milk that doesn't contain BGH.

I'm sure if look long enough at any large operation you'll find isolated incidents to prove whatever point your trying to make. When you consider that healthy contented cows produce the most milk, abused cows often produce none, I doubt there's wide spread abuse. At least not what normal people would consider abuse.

Yeah, so soy milk, almond milk, etc. aren't really milk. I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of that. It helps indentify the product as a substitute to standard milk. However...

3. any liquid resembling this, as the liquid within a coconut, the juice or sap of certain plants, or various pharmaceutical preparations.

iFark-iPhone: Throw the animal righters into Haiti, or any far out place, for a few days. Give them a cow. Watch and enjoy the irony.

Douchebags, few things are more despicably despicable.

space billions forget on wasted space programs Don't

vernonFL: People should limit their dairy consumption anyway.

Milk is for baby cows, not humans.

Baby cows are for veal. It doesn't taste very good, but there aren't many other public options for dining on the flesh of the innocent.

IdBeCrazyIf I hope your trolling, you sound like a real idiot.

The Pho King: This has to start with the consumer. As long as people want to buy milk for a dollar a gallon at Walmart rather than paying a little more and buying local, the large industrial "factory" farms will flourish.

Not ENTIRELY true. Milk prices are not set by the consumer, but by the distributor. That is the reason milk prices go up, but the farmers hasn't seen a substantial increase since the 70's.

But I hear you, and agree consumers need to be educated and should absolutely by from "the small guys". It's just not as simple as saying "consumers should pay more".

The Icelander:
A little secret about organic animal products: They're not allowed to use antibiotics or they'll lose their organic status, so the animals often suffer from easily treated ailments rather than being given antibiotics to clear them up.

Careful here, the word "often" needs to be qualified. My father is an organic dairy farmer and he has had exactly three vet calls since he switched over a decade ago.

That doesn't mean that his cows "often suffer from easily treated ailments". It means he can either deal with it himself, or his cows are very healthy. If the cow does come down with something where antibiotics are needed, the cow can be treated and sold to a non-organic dairy farmer.

"While antibiotics are not allowed in organic production, their use is encouraged for treating sick animals rather than allow the animal to suffer."

That is from his milk distributor. It's not okay to let the animals live miserable, disease-ridden lives while pumping out milk.

Also, pasturing is an important part of organic dairy farming. Rotational grazing can help you get the most out of the land you have, and makes sure the herd gets the nutrients from grass. This probably has more to do with being a small farm. I'm guessing it's mostly the big ones that don't allow their cows outside.

/grew up on a dairy farm, left before it went organic
//beat the heck out of the cows when dad wasn't around
///nothing makes you feel worse than the yelp a calf lets out after you pound it on the head. "sorry, lil fella"

vernonFL: Becuase its true? What other animal on Earth drinks so much of another animal's milk?

We have gone beyond basic animal traits when it comes to sustenance. We have found certain things that are superior than just your basics. Milk is one of those things.

What other animal BBQ's their meat.

Milk is for babies and White Russians.

You can get your daily recommended amount of calcium from lots of stuff.

Look, there's some over there. No, not there, THERE. I'm pointing right at it. There.

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Let me see if I can sum this up...

My milk is better than your milk, damn you're stupid if you don't interview the cow you get milk from before you drink it's milk to make sure it's happy and comfortable, food obtained from any non-human source is not fit for human consumption, cow milk from a dairy is better than cow milk that doesn't come from a dairy (??), milk from fruits and nuts is better than cow milk.

Nothing else to see here...move along.

Could you please summarize every discussion for me. It would save me a lot of time. Thanks.

Milk is gross. But cheese on pizza is yummy.

And



is Nirvana in a bukkit

Milk brings civility and peacefulness to coffee; white man in Africa.

benlonghair: FTFA: huge ... dairy operation

Well, there's your problem. It's a question of economics. Huge farms suck, but they're massively profitable. This is why small family farms should be encouraged, because they do their best to do everything sustainably.

No, not really at all. Massively profitable is not the word. Huge farms are often the only way to remain marginally profitable. Small farms, unless they enter or a niche market or exceptionally well run, are not sustainable (in the real sense of the word, not the meaningless environmental sense) financially. Hence, all the conglomeration into the larger farms, and the drive for increased production from fewer cows.

Man, I've seen videos of how cows get slaughtered heartlessly. (Oh look, your throat just got sliced open while you were just sitting there minding your own business in a cage barely big enough to fit your fatass) Doesn't stop me from enjoying a fat, juicy steak.

This just in: Industrialization has made victims of edible animals and human workers since its inception.

Welcome to capitalism boys.

emersonbiggins: There's no such thing as soy "milk"...



/hot

SO VERY FARKING MUCH THIS. Leaving satisfied.

I love beef, and I love Milk. I could care less about the cows getting their tails cut off. Really, these animals have been bred to be nothing more than stupid milk machines and hamburgers when they don't produce milk. I cant say I am overly concerned about the tail pain of a cow.

I switched to soy milk a couple years back, in part because it seemed like a healthier alternative, and because I found I liked the taste.

After about 9 months, I got my first kidney stone ever. Killer pain.

They analized it & told me to start avoiding certain things, soy & nuts in particular.

So, coincidence or not, it was back to the regular stuff for me.

The Icelander: A little secret about organic animal products: They're not allowed to use antibiotics or they'll lose their organic status, so the animals often suffer from easily treated ailments rather than being given antibiotics to clear them up.

a PBS special on cows said they treat cows with antibiotics because although cows can eat almost anything, the one thing they can't digest is corn which causes infections in their (unusual) digestive systems. So what does big agra feed em? CORN.

vernonFL: Epicedion: What are you trying to accomplish by saying "Milk is for baby cows" exactly?

Becuase its true? What other animal on Earth drinks so much of another animal's milk?

What I don't get is why its more or less mandatory to drink cow's milk, but its "disgusting" to drink breast milk?

gorgor: tweekster:

What other animal BBQ's their meat.

Dragons.

Do virgins taste better than those who are not?

jakomo002: Milk is for babies and White Russians.

You can get your daily recommended amount of calcium from lots of stuff.

Look, there's some over there. No, not there, THERE. I'm pointing right at it. There.



HA! HA! There.

Sympathy? In MY Fark?

I don't think so.

When I was a kid we would put grape Kool Aid on our cornflakes when the milk ran out.

Cool story!

Anyhoo, I don't drink milk. The thought of it grosses me out. I will eat some cheese if melted or string, and I will feed milk to my son, though. He likes it with Ovaltine.

I do buy the free range/organic versions of milk and eggs though. It is worth it to pay more for better quality. Or at least a happier feeling. I had a guy at an old job bring in cartons of eggs for everyone from his chickens. We got two of them. We really did enjoy them. There was a difference that we could taste, and my son loved the idea of eating "farm fresh" eggs.

"Can I have a farm fresh egg Mommy?" Hehe. So cute.

The really sad part about it is cows are about as gentle a creature as you're gonna see. They're always nice, at least the ones on my aunt's dairy farm are. We pass a few cow pastures on the way into work each morning, and periodically we'll stop at one on the way home so our boys can see and pet the ones close to the road. The cows are just big, silly looking, gentle creatures.

Quit treating them bad assholes.

/oh...and steak
//they're nice, but I still eat 'em.
///just treat them humanely while they're alive dummies.

at80eighty:

the coast should be clear as long as youre born as an Indian cow


Ah, I forgot about that...hopefully an Indian cow in South India.



/can't wait to roam the streets of Kerala in my next life
//oh and fark these assholes...I say burn them alive!

The Pho King: benlonghair: This is why small family farms should be encouraged, because they do their best to do everything sustainably.

This has to start with the consumer. As long as people want to buy milk for a dollar a gallon at Walmart rather than paying a little more and buying local, the large industrial "factory" farms will flourish.

I guess you're not familiar with the economic situation the vast majority of the country faces on a daily basis (although you clearly do not). People don't WANT to buy cheap milk, they HAVE to buy cheap milk in order to keep their family in milk. We can't all decide to go spend $6 a gallon at Whole Foods. I don't have a problem with you wanting to do it, but what's wrong with trying to produce food that everyone else can actually afford?

ihatedumbpeople: The really sad part about it is cows are about as gentle a creature as you're gonna see. They're always nice, at least the ones on my aunt's dairy farm are. We pass a few cow pastures on the way into work each morning, and periodically we'll stop at one on the way home so our boys can see and pet the ones close to the road. The cows are just big, silly looking, gentle creatures.

Quit treating them bad assholes.

/oh...and steak
//they're nice, but I still eat 'em.
///just treat them humanely while they're alive dummies.


I internet love you.

Wish there were more efforts to produce milk like

THIS (new window)

give me doughnuts: Perhaps that is the reason that humans are the dominant species on the planet?

So humans developed opposable thumbs solely in order to be able to milk a cow?

Intriguing. I thought it was for wanking. Anyway, that was my original Anthropology thesis.

*Clearing a way through to the end of this thread*

wondering when a clock work orange comment was going to be made, congrats

Milk stout + ribeye = unadulterated bliss

Shouldn't drink that stuff anyway...

/Wrong scene, yeah, yeah... still hot

withvengeance86: I love Central Market! Maplehofe is great

Always nice to meet someone else who knows what I'm talking about when I say Lancaster is a fantastic place to live.

So much yum...

wmoonfox: Do virgins taste better than those who are not?

Don't they always?

SouthParkCon: *Clearing a way through to the end of this thread*

I'm not a hippie I'm a hipster.

\Owns a scooter
\\Doesn't own a tiny dog, thoguh

Poppyale: ihatedumbpeople: The really sad part about it is cows are about as gentle a creature as you're gonna see. They're always nice, at least the ones on my aunt's dairy farm are. We pass a few cow pastures on the way into work each morning, and periodically we'll stop at one on the way home so our boys can see and pet the ones close to the road. The cows are just big, silly looking, gentle creatures.

Quit treating them bad assholes.

/oh...and steak
//they're nice, but I still eat 'em.
///just treat them humanely while they're alive dummies.


I internet love you.

After viewing your profile, I internet love you (and that awesome view) too!

LaraAmber:

1. It's cruel to the animals: making them more prone to infection requiring even more dosing with antibiotics WHICH DO get into the milk.

Citation needed. On two counts. Are you familiar with withdrawal times? Milk withholding? Can you prove it makes them more prone to infection, because that would be news to me, a dairy veterinarian.

stuhayes2010: hailin: Anyway who has ever been around a group of cows for two minutes wouldn't give a damn how those things are treated. Cows are brainless, smelly, and immensely stupid....much like hippies but without the ability to roll a few.

/Don't care how hippies are treated either

Really? I raised cows, I found they all had personalities just like dogs. Still sent them off to slaughter.

And your point is what? Dogs are pretty stupid animals as well.

/Hate Dogs

So... wait... drinking milk is gross, but eating highly condensed milk (cheese/ice cream) is OK.

Got it.

/mmmm... milk puss and blood

basemetal: Mmmmm milk.

She's an eco-terrorist and supports further acts of eco-terrorism. Find something else to fap to and let her fade into obscurity.

"Milk producing machine"

As both my sets of grandparents lived on a farm ( and vote republican), I can tell you that that is essentially what they are. Cows are meat and milk.

If you think cows have feelings, you're a silly shiatte you are.

rmz: I'd rather stop drinking any form of milk altogether than switch to soy "milk." Can't stand that stuff.

This. That stuff is farking nasty.

nonvideas: because that would be news to me, a dairy veterinarian.

Are you getting a kick out of this thread?

farkinawsome: The Icelander: A little secret about organic animal products: They're not allowed to use antibiotics or they'll lose their organic status, so the animals often suffer from easily treated ailments rather than being given antibiotics to clear them up.

a PBS special on cows said they treat cows with antibiotics because although cows can eat almost anything, the one thing they can't digest is corn which causes infections in their (unusual) digestive systems. So what does big agra feed em? CORN.

Grass fed is definitely the way to go.

GoldSpider: nonvideas: because that would be news to me, a dairy veterinarian.

Are you getting a kick out of this thread?

Like you wouldn't believe.

LaraAmber 2010-01-27 11:36:27 AM

Smarshmallow: LaraAmber: We get our milk delivered from a small local dairy. No BGH, old fashioned glass bottles, local company, and yummy fresh milk.

BGH doesn't affect milk in any way. If facts don't deter you, maybe you'd be interested in some Organic Maple Syrup

You mean these facts?

1. It's cruel to the animals: making them more prone to infection requiring even more dosing with antibiotics WHICH DO get into the milk.
2. It increases levels of other hormones in the cows, which also get passed into the milk.
3. There is conflicting research on whether it encourages the growth of tumors, so that's still being studied.
4. They still aren't sure what the long term ramifications of these hormones in the human body will be, since they haven't been used that long. It doesn't get broken down by pasteurization and DOES get absorbed by the human body.
5. It's illegal in Canada and Europe.
6. The AMA president recommends that US hospitals use milk that doesn't contain BGH.


The word "fact" gets used about as well as the word "irony" around here. As for yours...

1. Uh, pretty subjective, so, not a fact.
2. Increased hormone levels. Okay, and this is harmful because...
3. People are studying things...good fact
4. Blah blah blah...
5. Fascinating fact. Should we begin altering all our current laws
so as to be in step with theirs?
6. That's a fact. Not bad. But not exactly a sweeping condemnation

It's all fun and games until the cows learn to use weapons:
Cows with Guns (new window)

piss on soy milk. I've worked at a dairy and for the most part it is difficult to find abusive practices in the US. This is hardly an example of cruelty. Docking a cow is cruel? What about docking your dog? sheep?

There are bad practices out there, but if you travel outside the US and visit dairies you'll agree, we have the happiest, healthiest cows.. except for those in India, that's a life.

vernonFL: Epicedion: What are you trying to accomplish by saying "Milk is for baby cows" exactly?

Becuase its true? What other animal on Earth drinks so much of another animal's milk?

You know, I'm sure if I tell Termites that digesting cellulose is a rare trait, they'll stop too. It's in our genes to be able to do this. Why not do it?

Being able to drink milk into adulthood gave those of our ancestors who have it a big survival asset. Milk is extremely nutritious. And tasty. Especially in the many wonderful forms it takes like lattes and ice cream.

ihatedumbpeople: The really sad part about it is cows are about as gentle a creature as you're gonna see. They're always nice, at least the ones on my aunt's dairy farm are.

Quit treating them bad assholes.

/oh...and steak
//they're nice, but I still eat 'em.
///just treat them humanely while they're alive dummies.

Your grandmother must not have holsteins. They're jerks.
Jerseys are where it's at.

Unfortunately, cows are too stupid to know they're being mistreated, or at least to remember.

cow pie any one?

bad apple, bunch.

baby, bathwater.

metaphors, a-mixing.

i have already switched to soy milk. much better for you. i like the 'very vanilla' one.


humans are the only adult animals who drink milk.

odd.


i've read that their are some proteins in cows milk that are not good for humans.

and that alot of diabetes could be attributed to milk.


the jury is still out...

I personally find "cannulated cows" much more disturbing.

bigmattress: farkinawsome: The Icelander: A little secret about organic animal products: They're not allowed to use antibiotics or they'll lose their organic status, so the animals often suffer from easily treated ailments rather than being given antibiotics to clear them up.

a PBS special on cows said they treat cows with antibiotics because although cows can eat almost anything, the one thing they can't digest is corn which causes infections in their (unusual) digestive systems. So what does big agra feed em? CORN.

Grass fed is definitely the way to go.

Semi-myth. Cows can digest corn. They digest it just fine, actually. What it does do, when fed exclusively, is change the pH of their rumen (their first stomach). This can (emphasis on can) predispose them to rumenitis and a few other problems. I don't dispute that keeping cows on prophylactic antibiotics in order to feed them nothing but corn to keep costs down is frustrating and distasteful, but the facts are that these antibiotics aren't excreted in milk, and feeding large numbers of cows anything but corn is inhibitingly expensive. I've yet to hear of a solution, however, that would allow the industry to remain profitable and produce enough milk to meet American's needs.

vernonFL: Epicedion: What are you trying to accomplish by saying "Milk is for baby cows" exactly?

Becuase its true? What other animal on Earth drinks so much of another animal's milk?

Yeah, animals consuming other species' products is a completely unnatural thing. (new window)

Dairy cows produce far more when they are not stressed and farmers know this. It's not in the farmer's interest to mistreat his cows because it directly affects his bottom line. All the dairy farms I've been to (a lot) treat their animals like queens.

HEY FARKERS:::: GUESS WHERE THE COW GETS ALL HER CALCIUM FOR HER MILK AND HER STRONG BONES?????

from plant sources.....



but don't tell the milk industry, because you have to drink milk to get enough calcium....


wink, wink,,,,,

Linux_Yes:
i've read that their are some proteins in cows milk that are not good for humans.

This left me wondering if you know the names of any of the proteins in cow's milk, and if you might be willing to supply the names of the harmful ones. And why they're harmful. And if you know what a protein is.

I love milk. So, no, I wouldn't even think about switching to soy especially with all the issues with how soy impacts the human body.

When you see a cow, be sure to punch it in the nose to let it know that the milk industry cares......

Great linux_yes is here. Which means he will make a bunch of retarded posts in a row then leave the thread.

Linux_Yes: i have already switched to soy milk. much better for you. i like the 'very vanilla' one.


humans are the only adult animals who drink milk.

odd.


i've read that their are some proteins in cows milk that are not good for humans.

and that alot of diabetes could be attributed to milk.


the jury is still out...

Soy Milk isn't very healthy for you at all. It cause thyroid problems in most people:

That said, Kaayla Daniel, PhD, author of "The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food," believes soy estrogens can wreak havoc on hormones and more. She had this to say to one person on her Web site who said they got a lift from soy milk:

"Check the ingredient list on your soy milk and you'll almost certainly find a lot of sugar. It might be named cane sugar, barley malt, rice sugar, fructose, corn syrup. Whatever, it's sugar. The most likely reason that you feel better after drinking your soy milk is that you are getting a sugar hit.

The second possibility is that the soy estrogens are stimulating your thyroid. For some people this results in a mildly hyperactive thyroid with short-term energy gain. The down side is that over the long run your thyroid may go down, sinking into hypothyroidism. That means loss of energy, cognitive decline, brain fog. In my opinion the long-term risks of soy do not justify any short-term benefit.""

Linux_Yes: i have already switched to soy milk. much better for you.

You sure about that? Look up carrageenan and isoflavones. Then again, everything should be fine in moderation... in which case drinking milk is just fine.

Rural central PA checking in here...

Some of the family farms around here are amazing. The milking parlor (for those who don't know, there's usually a separate building where the cows are taken to and milked) in one farm was air-conditioned/heated, padded floors, music playing, spotlessly clean. Very contented cows there. :)

As far as docking the tails, we do it to a lot of dogs, also.

Oh, yea, I also heard that some sick humans cut the skin off the end of their newborn's penis!!! How's that for pain and suffering?

/love milk & milk products

Linux_Yes 2010-01-27 12:00:23 PM

i have already switched to soy milk. much better for you. i like the 'very vanilla' one.


humans are the only adult animals who drink milk.

odd.


i've read that their are some proteins in cows milk that are not good for humans.

and that alot of diabetes could be attributed to milk.


the jury is still out...



How hip of you! Were you the first in your apartment building?

I've read a lot of clinical depression could be attributed to lack of milk. And I've heard soy milk turns a man slowly into a woman
But the jury's still out...

vernonFL: Epicedion: What are you trying to accomplish by saying "Milk is for baby cows" exactly?

Becuase its true? What other animal on Earth drinks so much of another animal's milk?

What other animals on the planet cook their food? Cooking is obviously then bad for you.

NeuroticMan: Dairy cows produce far more when they are not stressed and farmers know this. It's not in the farmer's interest to mistreat his cows because it directly affects his bottom line. All the dairy farms I've been to (a lot) treat their animals like queens.

here here - our dairy was small (about 3-5000 head) and we fed our cows well and they saw the doc about a hundred times more often every year than I saw my doc. They were given aspirin when they had headaches and antacids when they had stomach aches. If only I had a host of people running around every day all day doing nothing but making my life happy.

Soy milk is for gays. I get a bag of soy beans and suck on their titties.

Poppyale: I find the thought of drinking cow milk repulsive.

May I pose a question?

Why do we drink milk meant for a calf and not milk meant for humans? Would you drink breast milk as an adult?

Yes, yes I would

Get a Minicow.
It lives on your lawn.
Drink from it's tits.

Am I the only one in here who has 4 kids and a husband who likes milk? We go through about a gallon and a half a week, and we get it from "the store," because there isn't anything else out here from which to get milk.

I've tried soymilk, and it doesn't taste like milk. It tastes like soymilk, and it's not the same at all.

Does no one else just buy milk? Everyone is drinking organic almond milk?

/weird

keeper76: NeuroticMan: Dairy cows produce far more when they are not stressed and farmers know this. It's not in the farmer's interest to mistreat his cows because it directly affects his bottom line. All the dairy farms I've been to (a lot) treat their animals like queens.

here here - our dairy was small (about 3-5000 head) and we fed our cows well and they saw the doc about a hundred times more often every year than I saw my doc. They were given aspirin when they had headaches and antacids when they had stomach aches. If only I had a host of people running around every day all day doing nothing but making my life happy.

You had talking cows?

Good for vegans for sticking to their commitment, but my pet peeve is when they invite you to dinner so they can prove their food is just as good. How about we have coffee instead? Then the vegans I know will take the obligatory compliment I pay them as affirmation their vegan food really is just as good.

Fark off hippies, milk is delicious.

Linux_Yes: humans are the only adult animals who drink milk.

This is completely wrong on so many levels. If given the opportunity many adult animals will drink cow milk. Ever hear of a house cat? They love the stuff. Dogs will drink it, too. Animals are smart enough to know a good source of protein when they see one. The only difference between many animals and man, is that man has the ability to milk a cow.

vernonFL: Becuase its true? What other animal on Earth drinks so much of another animal's milk?

Nom?
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article247299.ab
(NSFW, NSF lunch, for that matter)

Humans are the only animals that travel to outer space.

/Except monkeys
//and dogs