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2010-01-27 12:15:39 PM
Yaxe: If you think cows have feelings, you're a silly shiatte you are.

Can cows feel pain? Fear? Can you tell if a cow is "comfortable" vs. "uncomfortable?"?
 
2010-01-27 12:16:22 PM
vernonFL: Becuase its true? What other animal on Earth drinks so much of another animal's milk?

Nom?
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article247299.ab
(NSFW, NSF lunch, for that matter)
 
2010-01-27 12:16:54 PM
Humans are the only animals that travel to outer space.

/Except monkeys
//and dogs
 
2010-01-27 12:18:42 PM
Beeblebrox: Cooking is obviously then bad for you.

Actually, it kind of is.

Cooking takes a lot of the vitamins and taste out of fruits and vegetables. Sometimes cooking things is the only way to make them edible, but by and large, if you can eat a food raw, you should.
 
2010-01-27 12:19:14 PM
No thanks. Back when I was a kid, I was allergic to dairy products, and fortunately....I grew out of it. Having to put soy baby formula on my cereal farking sucked. NEVER AGAIN.

/Yes, I know that soy baby formula doesn't equal soy milk.
 
2010-01-27 12:20:50 PM
I have nipples, Greg, could you milk me?
 
2010-01-27 12:21:00 PM
vernonFL: Yaxe: If you think cows have feelings, you're a silly shiatte you are.

Can cows feel pain? Fear? Can you tell if a cow is "comfortable" vs. "uncomfortable?"?


If they're moaning, they're "comfortable"

/or so I've heard...
 
2010-01-27 12:21:28 PM
keeper76: NeuroticMan: Dairy cows produce far more when they are not stressed and farmers know this. It's not in the farmer's interest to mistreat his cows because it directly affects his bottom line. All the dairy farms I've been to (a lot) treat their animals like queens.

here here - our dairy was small (about 3-5000 head) and we fed our cows well and they saw the doc about a hundred times more often every year than I saw my doc. They were given aspirin when they had headaches and antacids when they had stomach aches. If only I had a host of people running around every day all day doing nothing but making my life happy.


OK, I have to ask how you knew when your cows had a headache. I'm very curious, maybe I can apply your techniques to my patients, who are always so damn reticent about telling me when their heads hurt.

Also, how is a 3-5000 head dairy small? That's about as large as it gets.
 
2010-01-27 12:22:21 PM
This'll be fun! Lets see, where to begin?

Linux_Yes: i have already switched to soy milk. much better for you. i like the 'very vanilla' one.


humans are the only adult animals who drink milk.


Humans also have one of the most diverse diets in the entire animal kingdom. Pigs and goats are known to eat anything as well as tiger sharks, but they're incapable of milking a cow, so maybe that's why they dont.

odd.

I guess if you forget the fact that most animals have specific diets as well as a profound lack of opposable thumbs.


i've read that their are some proteins in cows milk that are not good for humans.

You mean the ones that irritate the stomach of adults and trigger lactose intolerance?

and that alot of diabetes could be attributed to milk.

Highlighted for emphasis. There's reasonable correlation, but correlation does not equal causation.

"For some reason, the body's immune system attacks and destroys insulin-producing cells in the pancreas... By a terrible coincidence, a section of this milk protein is almost identical to a protein on the surface of insulin-producing cells...The link has not been proved yet, and the researchers know that genetics also plays a crucial role."

Gosh durn genetics!
Link (new window)


the jury is still out...

Yes, yes it is. Now drink your milk or this (new window) will happen to you.
 
2010-01-27 12:24:09 PM
Molavian: tedbundee: May I smoke my pipe as well?

Christoph Waltz made that movie.


I thought it was Quentin Tarantino...

/ ;)
 
2010-01-27 12:24:41 PM
vernonFL: Epicedion: What are you trying to accomplish by saying "Milk is for baby cows" exactly?

Becuase its true? What other animal on Earth drinks so much of another animal's milk?


What other animal on earth wears glasses?

Something being "natural" done/not done by animals has no bearing on whether or not the practice is reasonable, moral, or otherwise acceptable.
 
2010-01-27 12:26:17 PM
PumpkinCake: Am I the only one in here who has 4 kids and a husband who likes milk? We go through about a gallon and a half a week, and we get it from "the store," because there isn't anything else out here from which to get milk.

I've tried soymilk, and it doesn't taste like milk. It tastes like soymilk, and it's not the same at all.

Does no one else just buy milk? Everyone is drinking organic almond milk?

/weird


You're not alone. These people are all full of shiat, soy milk my arse. Almong milk my arse. The only reason anyone drinks soy/almond milk is if they're lactose intolerant or vegan. And I doubt Fark has that many vegans.

/Also, I find soy to taste like the milk when you're done with a bowl of frosted flakes.
//Cereal milk ftw?
///I think not.
/Milk lashes
 
2010-01-27 12:27:30 PM
Keeper76:
Docking a cow is cruel? What about docking your dog? sheep?

I can't comment on cows and sheep, but as a former vet tech I can tell you about tail-docking in dogs. Most of the time it's done with anesthesia, but not always. I worked for a veterinarian who catered to breeders and i witnessed tail-docking of 3-4 day old puppies without the use of anesthesia on a few occasions. Anyone with an ounce of compassion would think it cruel once they heard the poor little guys scream.

One of the reasons I left.
 
2010-01-27 12:29:45 PM
Talon: vernonFL: Epicedion: What are you trying to accomplish by saying "Milk is for baby cows" exactly?

Becuase its true? What other animal on Earth drinks so much of another animal's milk?

What other animal on earth wears glasses?

Something being "natural" done/not done by animals has no bearing on whether or not the practice is reasonable, moral, or otherwise acceptable.


I would add that an animal consuming anything edible to them would be natural. Most people wouldn't think orcas snack on great whites, but they've been known to. Would that be unnatural?
 
2010-01-27 12:29:56 PM
vernonFL: Epicedion: What are you trying to accomplish by saying "Milk is for baby cows" exactly?

Becuase its true? What other animal on Earth drinks so much of another animal's milk?


what other animal on Earth lives in houses? what other animal on earth practices surgery? what other animal on earth writes books? i'm so glad you opened my eyes with your amazing question.
 
2010-01-27 12:30:49 PM
Anyone ever seen a piss zapper in action ?

Most diary farms have a small trench located behind the stanchions to collect the cow's waste which is removed via a continuous metal conveyor belt.

Cows like to arch their back when taking a piss and end up missing the trench and soiling the bedding. Some farms have a high voltage wire that runs just over the cow's back and when it arches too far it is hit with a nasty shock.

Works like a charm and usually only takes a few times to teach the animal.
 
2010-01-27 12:31:04 PM
The cows have it easy. Dairy work is the toughest labor in agriculture. It's cruelty to the human beings who have to do it.

Any cow that lives on a dairy lives a thousand times better than they would in the wild. The only animals mistreated in agriculture that I'm aware of are chickens, and fark them. They'd eat your eyes given half the chance.
 
2010-01-27 12:32:59 PM
SchwettyBetty: Keeper76:
Docking a cow is cruel? What about docking your dog? sheep?

I can't comment on cows and sheep, but as a former vet tech I can tell you about tail-docking in dogs. Most of the time it's done with anesthesia, but not always. I worked for a veterinarian who catered to breeders and i witnessed tail-docking of 3-4 day old puppies without the use of anesthesia on a few occasions. Anyone with an ounce of compassion would think it cruel once they heard the poor little guys scream.

One of the reasons I left.


Thankfully, tail docking and ear cropping are slowly becoming more and more rare, and even more rarely without anesthesia or analgesia. There's an old guard of veterinarians who will be out of the clinic in the next 5-10 years, and things will start changing faster, too.

As for the cows, I've never actually seen (or heard of) a tail dock being done as shown in the video. It looks like they're using emasculators, which equine vets use for castrations. I've only seen docking done in dairy cows with a tight rubber band that's wrapped around the tail and left in place. They don't seem to notice it, and in a few days the tail falls off below the band. I have no idea how painful it is, though I have to imagine it's at the very least irritating. I do have to say I've never noticed a cow give it a second thought.
 
2010-01-27 12:34:32 PM
doglover: Try almond milk. I defy ANYONE to choose homoginized cow piss over the delicious white nectar of almonds.

Every morning I have a mixture of three parts unsweetened soy milk, one part unsweetened chocolate almond milk, and a packet of Equal. It's like coffee for me. You don't want to be around me before I've had it.

On the weekends: 1 can chocolate protein drink + unsweetened vanilla almond milk + banana + blender. Food of the gods, and no animal abuse is involved.
 
2010-01-27 12:34:38 PM
PumpkinCake: Am I the only one in here who has 4 kids and a husband who likes milk? We go through about a gallon and a half a week, and we get it from "the store," because there isn't anything else out here from which to get milk.

I've tried soymilk, and it doesn't taste like milk. It tastes like soymilk, and it's not the same at all.

Does no one else just buy milk? Everyone is drinking organic almond milk?

/weird


I buy milk, though I am curious about the almond milk. I drink a gallon of milk to myself a week. I get the 1% milk, but that is still around 135 calories a glass. Almond milk is only 70 calories a glass and has the protein I want.
 
2010-01-27 12:34:46 PM
manimal2878: I'm not an animal rights hippie at all. Milk is disgusting enough on its own. Even if it fell from the sky like rain, I would still find this thick fatty fluid repulsive.

Approves:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singin'_in_the_Rain#Production (new window)
 
2010-01-27 12:35:03 PM
tweekster: doubled99: Also, something like 50% of humans are lactose intolerant.


78.2% of statistics are made up on the spot

He is including asia in that statistic which did not historically have wide spread access to milk in the first place.


Not that simple.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance#Lactose_intolerance_by_group
 
2010-01-27 12:35:32 PM
RE PumpkinCake 2010-01-27 12:12:02 PM
"Does no one else just buy milk? Everyone is drinking organic almond milk?"

I buy the regular stuff, too. Ignore the crap about how milk will kill us all. Most adults don't drink it anyway, they drink soft drinks and bottled water (and beer).

If someone doesn't like milk, fine. Don't drink it. But shut the fark up about it. Nobody wants to hear your bullshiat theories and misinformation about how it makes us fat, gives us cancer, blah blah blah. On the list of shiat that is bad for us, milk is pretty far down. Below cigarettes and excessive drinking, I would think.

And "organic" milk is really expensive. If it was within .50 a gallon of what "nonorganic" costs, I'd consider buying it, but it isn't. It's more like $1.50 to $2 more.
 
2010-01-27 12:40:06 PM
i.imgur.com

Stay away from soy milk unless you wish to have gynecomastia surgery.
 
2010-01-27 12:42:01 PM
Wow, I didn't know so many farkers have such a disgust for milk.

I love it, I drink maybe 4 or 5 glasses of it a day.

But I mainly drink it for the protein, calcium and vitamin d for weight lifting. Plus I broke my arm Dec 12th, so I need extra calcium to promote bone health.
 
2010-01-27 12:43:22 PM
Did you get a good look at the executive director of Mercy for Animals?

Totally fits the image I had of what a male animal rights person would look and
sound like.......a wimpy little fem-boy.

Quit being such a "nancy" and drink your milk!
 
2010-01-27 12:43:24 PM
It doesn't make sense that we are okay with drinking cow milk and so disgusted by human breast milk. Link (bewbs maybe NSFW new window)

Milk is for babies.
 
2010-01-27 12:46:22 PM
Ahh, it's nice to see adults who down 5 alcoholic drinks in one night say that milk, the terror of the land cow, can cause major problems to adults.

Skim milk is excellent... I drink it almost every day or every other day. Whole milk is just too fatty and is probably too much for humans. The nutritious difference between whole and skim is insane.
 
2010-01-27 12:46:42 PM
Petit_Merdeux: Poppyale: Would you drink breast milk as an adult?

Only direct from the source.

I like to know where my food comes from.


Like this? Link (new window)
 
2010-01-27 12:47:05 PM
Chocolate Milk+Cherry Cola+Extreme Hangover=one awesome flavor combination when you puke.....
 
2010-01-27 12:48:41 PM
ban_sidhe 2010-01-27 12:34:32 PM

doglover: Try almond milk. I defy ANYONE to choose homoginized cow piss over the delicious white nectar of almonds.

Every morning I have a mixture of three parts unsweetened soy milk, one part unsweetened chocolate almond milk, and a packet of Equal. It's like coffee for me. You don't want to be around me before I've had it.

On the weekends: 1 can chocolate protein drink + unsweetened vanilla almond milk + banana + blender. Food of the gods, and no animal abuse is involved.



Great! You eat a bland, crappy diet and you like it. Congratulations. I bet no one wants to come over to your house to watch the game, though.

Oh, yeah, Equal is poison. Try sugar, it's ALL NATURAL, and it comes from a plant!



/what about plant abuse?
 
2010-01-27 12:49:58 PM
Tatsuhiko: Ahh, it's nice to see adults who down 5 alcoholic drinks in one night say that milk, the terror of the land cow, can cause major problems to adults

5 when I'm trying to cut back : )
 
2010-01-27 12:50:28 PM
Tatsuhiko: Ahh, it's nice to see adults who down 5 alcoholic drinks in one night say that milk, the terror of the land cow, can cause major problems to adults.

Skim milk is excellent... I drink it almost every day or every other day. Whole milk is just too fatty and is probably too much for humans. The nutritious difference between whole and skim is insane.


I had a doctor tell me once you should drink breast milk until you are 1, whole milk until 3, 2% until you are 16, and 1% or skim 16+. And to stay away from Soy Milk.

/Cool story, yadda
 
2010-01-27 12:52:12 PM
FTFA: Willet supplies to Leprino Foods, based in Denver, which produces mozzarella cheese and other cheese products that are used at chains including Pizza Hut, Papa John's, and Domino's.

Let's focus on the real issue here: the three major pizza chains all use the same cheese.
 
2010-01-27 12:52:15 PM
For most of my life, I drank whole milk, but lately, mostly due to my roommate, I've switched to 2%. As much as I'd like to drink organic milk, it's a little too expensive to buy regularly (we go through a lot of milk).

However we will shell out once in awhile for the chocolate Oberweis:
mike.shannonandmike.net


I do like soymilk, but only as a beverage; I can enjoy it from a glass, but as a substitute for milk in cooking or cereal, bleh.

Lilmama: I can't drink milk anyway (lactose intolerant) so I drink something called "Coconut Milk."

I saw that in stores for the first time just a couple of days ago, and thought about trying it. How is it, taste wise?
 
2010-01-27 12:54:32 PM
Marisyana:
THIS. Buy from local farmers and markets, the food's better and you're stimulating the local economy.


I'd love to. But I'm afraid that the vendor just went to Costco, picked up a few cases of mixed vegetables and fruits, and then sells them...
 
2010-01-27 12:56:05 PM
sirgeoph:
Let's focus on the real issue here: the three major pizza chains all use the same cheese.


So vote for Pizza Hut!
 
2010-01-27 12:56:16 PM
hailin: I buy milk, though I am curious about the almond milk. I drink a gallon of milk to myself a week. I get the 1% milk, but that is still around 135 calories a glass. Almond milk is only 70 calories a glass and has the protein I want.

Give it a try. If you really want low-cal, the Blue Diamond Almond Breeze claims 40 calories unsweetened, and is available in half gallons.

I agree on staying away from the soy, though, I'd swear it had an impact on Little Belltower not towering so much.
 
2010-01-27 12:56:26 PM
ban_sidhe: doglover: Try almond milk. I defy ANYONE to choose homoginized cow piss over the delicious white nectar of almonds.

Every morning I have a mixture of three parts unsweetened soy milk, one part unsweetened chocolate almond milk, and a packet of Equal. It's like coffee for me. You don't want to be around me before I've had it.

On the weekends: 1 can chocolate protein drink + unsweetened vanilla almond milk + banana + blender. Food of the gods, and no animal abuse is involved.


You sound vegan. Next you'll be telling me you have sugar gliders for pets!
 
2010-01-27 12:56:36 PM
joness0154: keeper76: NeuroticMan: Dairy cows produce far more when they are not stressed and farmers know this. It's not in the farmer's interest to mistreat his cows because it directly affects his bottom line. All the dairy farms I've been to (a lot) treat their animals like queens.

here here - our dairy was small (about 3-5000 head) and we fed our cows well and they saw the doc about a hundred times more often every year than I saw my doc. They were given aspirin when they had headaches and antacids when they had stomach aches. If only I had a host of people running around every day all day doing nothing but making my life happy.

You had talking cows?


talking cows?
 
2010-01-27 12:56:47 PM
Pandora's Handbag: It doesn't make sense that we are okay with drinking cow milk and so disgusted by human breast milk. Link (bewbs maybe NSFW new window)

Milk is for babies.


that's hysterical. heh
 
2010-01-27 12:59:25 PM
keeper76: joness0154: keeper76: NeuroticMan: Dairy cows produce far more when they are not stressed and farmers know this. It's not in the farmer's interest to mistreat his cows because it directly affects his bottom line. All the dairy farms I've been to (a lot) treat their animals like queens.

here here - our dairy was small (about 3-5000 head) and we fed our cows well and they saw the doc about a hundred times more often every year than I saw my doc. They were given aspirin when they had headaches and antacids when they had stomach aches. If only I had a host of people running around every day all day doing nothing but making my life happy.

You had talking cows?

talking cows?


Pretty sure he was referring to your cows getting headaches. I was wondering how you knew they had a headache.
 
2010-01-27 01:00:08 PM
Milk haters are weak....boned.
 
2010-01-27 01:00:19 PM
Cthulhu Theory: ban_sidhe: doglover: Try almond milk. I defy ANYONE to choose homoginized cow piss over the delicious white nectar of almonds.

Every morning I have a mixture of three parts unsweetened soy milk, one part unsweetened chocolate almond milk, and a packet of Equal. It's like coffee for me. You don't want to be around me before I've had it.

On the weekends: 1 can chocolate protein drink + unsweetened vanilla almond milk + banana + blender. Food of the gods, and no animal abuse is involved.

You sound vegan. Next you'll be telling me you have sugar gliders for pets!


I had a couple of the rats when I worked an overnight shift. On my days off I played with them. Man they stink and chattered all night long. When I switched back to days I gave them to somebody else.

/hated those things
//worst gift ever
 
2010-01-27 01:00:22 PM
theoriginalslash: RE PumpkinCake 2010-01-27 12:12:02 PM
"Does no one else just buy milk? Everyone is drinking organic almond milk?"

I buy the regular stuff, too. Ignore the crap about how milk will kill us all. Most adults don't drink it anyway, they drink soft drinks and bottled water (and beer).

If someone doesn't like milk, fine. Don't drink it. But shut the fark up about it. Nobody wants to hear your bullshiat theories and misinformation about how it makes us fat, gives us cancer, blah blah blah. On the list of shiat that is bad for us, milk is pretty far down. Below cigarettes and excessive drinking, I would think.

And "organic" milk is really expensive. If it was within .50 a gallon of what "nonorganic" costs, I'd consider buying it, but it isn't. It's more like $1.50 to $2 more.


This just in; Organic food is a sales gimmick to gouge you! There's no measurable benefits to "organic" produce beyond relieving hypochondria.
 
2010-01-27 01:01:22 PM
wildsnowllama: Linux_Yes: i have already switched to soy milk. much better for you.

You sure about that? Look up carrageenan and isoflavones. Then again, everything should be fine in moderation... in which case drinking milk is just fine.


One of the most sensible things said about drinking milk/soy milk in this thread.

As for the cows: stop treating them like shiat. Whoever said that treating them cruelly is subjective should try being penned up in a farm stall for the majority of their life and report back objectively.
 
2010-01-27 01:01:45 PM
Milk comes from tits. I love tits, therefore I love milk. If you don't like milk, YOU'RE A FAG!!!

MILK DRINKERS RULE!!!!1111!!

Get a brain morans!
 
2010-01-27 01:02:45 PM
nonvideas: keeper76: NeuroticMan: Dairy cows produce far more when they are not stressed and farmers know this. It's not in the farmer's interest to mistreat his cows because it directly affects his bottom line. All the dairy farms I've been to (a lot) treat their animals like queens.

here here - our dairy was small (about 3-5000 head) and we fed our cows well and they saw the doc about a hundred times more often every year than I saw my doc. They were given aspirin when they had headaches and antacids when they had stomach aches. If only I had a host of people running around every day all day doing nothing but making my life happy.

OK, I have to ask how you knew when your cows had a headache. I'm very curious, maybe I can apply your techniques to my patients, who are always so damn reticent about telling me when their heads hurt.

Also, how is a 3-5000 head dairy small? That's about as large as it gets.


The guy I worked for (owner) came from a family owned dairy, his two brothers moved out of the Phoenix area and established large dairies down south. Some of the big dairy farms out here can push 30-50k head. Lots of open land down there. Those guys ran a more agri-business type show, milking twice as often and feeding supplements to their cows, but their cows only lasted 5 years or so. Ours ran close to 7-10 years of production.

I have to admit - I can't tell if a cow has a headache or a stomach ache - but the guys who worked there for 20 years new based on eating habits and lounging. They just told me to find ear tag 375 (or such) and give it two aspirin and a couple Tums. Of course their aspirin were about half the size of your hand and the tums were the same size. Took a bit to plant one of those things in a cows stomach.
 
2010-01-27 01:03:11 PM
Peter_B_Risen: Quit being such a "nancy" and drink your milk!

You serious?
 
2010-01-27 01:03:28 PM
People with zero compassion for animals really creep me out. They're like wanna be serial killers or something.
 
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