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2010-01-26 04:14:47 PM  

Hoopido: If just the sight of a "woman" having a 12 inch hard cock under her skirt doesn't make them run immediately, we can fill it with mace or hide a gun in it.


Hey, I likes me some s/m just like the next guy and I've been shot by a penis or three in my time but this is going just a little too far.
 
2010-01-26 04:15:13 PM  

Strik3r: @ BolshevikMuppet...


I am of the opinion that people need to take responsibility for their actions. This includes WOMEN who get DRUNK and have SEX. Funny, but a drunk driver can't claim an accident was the other drivers fault.....

The only possible way to confirm the number of cases that are "regretful morning" if is the women ADMIT it... ya.. your numbers seem real strong....NOT.


That's a fair analogy, but think of it this way: would it be rape for me to sexually assault a woman who had been slipped a date-rape drug, even if I didn't put it in her drink myself? What if I didn't even know she'd been given it?

It's still rape, because I'm taking advantage of a woman who cannot give consent. It's the same thing with a woman being blackmailed into sex, if it's under duress, or she's mentally incompetent, having sex with her is rape, straight up and down.

ciocia:
O.K., the Department of Justice puts the number of spurious rape claims at about 8%link. But what do they know?


I could kiss you, but I don't know whether I'd have your consent.

In fairness, of course, the survey methodology (on both sides) suffers from some pretty bad statistical limitations. Still, the whole "women wake up, and claim rape so they don't feel like sluts" thing is overstated. Same thing with false paternity.

Maybe men on Fark just think women are manipulative biatches.
 
2010-01-26 04:17:15 PM  

ReverendJasen: she seemed angry that I would dare even contemplate having sex with my own wife.


Maybe she just didn't think your wife was hot?
 
2010-01-26 04:17:30 PM  

El_Swino: Thegreaser: I'm going to assume it was one of those unisex emo kids that wear womens jeans and have haircuts like old Kate Gosselin.

FTA:
The victim crawled from the woods and was sitting on the ground, crying in the rain, when police arrived.

I'd say you're right.


If the article had read:

"The victim, clad in a tight wool sweater and itchy scarf, crawled from the woods and was sitting on the ground, rain running down his greasy black hair that was plastered across his square, thick-framed glasses, strumming the same two chords on his guitar and singing a weepy song comparing the cold rain to the cold emotions of loneliness and despair he was now feeling,"

then I would agree.
 
2010-01-26 04:18:29 PM  

Ghastly: ReverendJasen: she seemed angry that I would dare even contemplate having sex with my own wife.

Maybe she just didn't think your wife was hot?


Or she was jealous.
 
2010-01-26 04:22:47 PM  

NightOwl2255: Mykeru: As a recovered alcoholic...

No such animal.


According to whom?
 
2010-01-26 04:22:59 PM  

ReverendJasen: I had some stupid butch women's rights biatch tell me that if me and my wife go out drinking, and if we have sex that night, I raped her.
The strangest part was how emphatic she was about it. Obviously some kind of penis-hate going on there, she seemed angry that I would dare even contemplate having sex with my own wife.


You have to love how being willing to screw you while sober accounts for nothing when she's drunk. Hell, I bet you could even look at each other and say, "Let's get drunk then have crazy, nasty, drunken sex," and the feminazis will still call it rape. Meanwhile the feminists are wondering what the hell the feminazis are talking about, and wish they would shut the hell up.
 
2010-01-26 04:23:16 PM  

BolshevikMuppet: Strik3r: @ BolshevikMuppet...


I am of the opinion that people need to take responsibility for their actions. This includes WOMEN who get DRUNK and have SEX. Funny, but a drunk driver can't claim an accident was the other drivers fault.....

The only possible way to confirm the number of cases that are "regretful morning" if is the women ADMIT it... ya.. your numbers seem real strong....NOT.

That's a fair analogy, but think of it this way: would it be rape for me to sexually assault a woman who had been slipped a date-rape drug, even if I didn't put it in her drink myself? What if I didn't even know she'd been given it?

It's still rape, because I'm taking advantage of a woman who cannot give consent. It's the same thing with a woman being blackmailed into sex, if it's under duress, or she's mentally incompetent, having sex with her is rape, straight up and down.

ciocia:
O.K., the Department of Justice puts the number of spurious rape claims at about 8%link. But what do they know?

I could kiss you, but I don't know whether I'd have your consent.

In fairness, of course, the survey methodology (on both sides) suffers from some pretty bad statistical limitations. Still, the whole "women wake up, and claim rape so they don't feel like sluts" thing is overstated. Same thing with false paternity.

Maybe men on Fark just think women are manipulative biatches.


I've noticed that your comments appear to be respectful, well thought out, legibly written, and generally in good taste.

You know you're breaking the rules, right?

/srsly, way to communicate and debate like a decent human being
 
2010-01-26 04:23:26 PM  

Hoopido: So that means there is money to be made in the anti-rape-strap-on-penis-for-women market. Some kind of transformer camo. If just the sight of a "woman" having a 12 inch hard cock under her skirt doesn't make them run immediately, we can fill it with mace or hide a gun in it.


You'd have to be some extraordinary kind of stupid to be fooled by a fake penis. Just give women the mace or the gun.

/Also, 12 inches? Who outside of porn has 12 inches?
 
2010-01-26 04:23:44 PM  

Strik3r: ciocia:
O.K., the Department of Justice puts the number of spurious rape claims at about 8%link. But what do they know?


It's not "what do they know", it's "how do they really know" ??? Is there any other way to make that determination OTHER than having the woman admit "ya... I was kinda drunk and maybe did want to have sex then, but if I had been sober, I certainly wouldn't have." ?????


...... for some reason, I just don't think they're all fessin' up


False claims include all levels of accusation of rape (so, not just "I got drunk" but also "oops, no roofie", "she just made it up", ect.) And it's not that the women themselves in all cases step forward to recant. If the police/DA cannot prove rape occurred, it often gets reported as a spurious claim.

And, of course, there's the physiology of it. If a woman claims to be raped on account of GHB or alcohol, they can test for remnants.

rebelyell2006:

I know a "lady" who likes to get drunk and screw men. She is the instigator. So it is the man's fault?

And for the second one, that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about people having clumsy, drunken sex, and the next day she wakes up and realizes the guy she screwed wasn't a handsome, rich frat boy but Screech.

/And no on the first paragraph
//Don't want herpes


I agree it's wrong that men are blamed for being at fault (inherently) if they have sex with a drunken woman. But, in the same breath, there are plenty of cases of men taking advantage of women who've had too much to drink. Without at least allowing the concept that "if you get her drunk, and have sex with her while she's mentally incapable of giving consent", it might be rape, you're going to let a lot of evil off the hook.

Mykeru:

I'm still looking for the fictitious pig who thinks having sex with an unconscious drunk woman isn't rape. And I've seen more than enough of those who claim that a woman waking up with a hangover after a night of unwise balling was, by definition, raped.

What I can't understand is the complete inconsistency of women who would allow themselves to be so infantilized as a gender to buy into the second scenario.

As a recovered alcoholic, maybe a woman who drinks and has unwise sex should realize that in the "drunk sex" scenario her problem isn't rape. It's alcohol.


Eh... It's pretty rare (even given all of free love and women's liberation) for a woman to be the one propositioning a man. The man is the one to make the first move (for better or worse), and thus it's a question of whether the woman can accept his offer, rather than whether he was mentally capable of making the offer.

Think of consent like a contract. If you're drunk and offer me a job, I can still take it. If I offer you a job while you're drunk, you can't actually take it. It's promissory estoppel for you to have offered the job, but you can't accept an offer if you can't make the choice to give informed consent.
 
2010-01-26 04:24:13 PM  
@BolshevikMuppet

Look, I am in no way trying to grant a free pass to abuse anyone who may have qestionably given consent. I AM trying to say that people need to take responsibility for their actions.

Woman drinks, woman has sex, it WAS her decision and she should be held responsible for it's outcome.

The roofie thing is probably not something she willingly embarked on, but how could that ever be proven. Easy answer, just blame the man?
 
2010-01-26 04:24:32 PM  

BolshevikMuppet: Strik3r: @ BolshevikMuppet...


I am of the opinion that people need to take responsibility for their actions. This includes WOMEN who get DRUNK and have SEX. Funny, but a drunk driver can't claim an accident was the other drivers fault.....

The only possible way to confirm the number of cases that are "regretful morning" if is the women ADMIT it... ya.. your numbers seem real strong....NOT.

That's a fair analogy, but think of it this way: would it be rape for me to sexually assault a woman who had been slipped a date-rape drug, even if I didn't put it in her drink myself? What if I didn't even know she'd been given it?

It's still rape, because I'm taking advantage of a woman who cannot give consent. It's the same thing with a woman being blackmailed into sex, if it's under duress, or she's mentally incompetent, having sex with her is rape, straight up and down.

ciocia:
O.K., the Department of Justice puts the number of spurious rape claims at about 8%link. But what do they know?

I could kiss you, but I don't know whether I'd have your consent.

In fairness, of course, the survey methodology (on both sides) suffers from some pretty bad statistical limitations. Still, the whole "women wake up, and claim rape so they don't feel like sluts" thing is overstated. Same thing with false paternity.

Maybe men on Fark just think women are manipulative biatches.


That last remark? Spot on. Seriously, the vast numbers of women claiming rape the morning after has approached the urban legend status of roofies--claimed all other the place, but hardly ever happening.
 
2010-01-26 04:25:41 PM  

Mykeru: NightOwl2255: Mykeru: As a recovered alcoholic...

No such animal.

According to whom?


I think NightOwl2255's trying to say that there are no recovered alcoholics, only recovering alcoholics. It's supposed to be this life-long struggle to keep off the sauce. Just a shot in the dark, really...
 
2010-01-26 04:27:51 PM  

OniNeko:

You have to love how being willing to screw you while sober accounts for nothing when she's drunk. Hell, I bet you could even look at each other and say, "Let's get drunk then have crazy, nasty, drunken sex," and the feminazis will still call it rape. Meanwhile the feminists are wondering what the hell the feminazis are talking about, and wish they would shut the hell up.


You do remember that a charge of rape has to be substantiated by the victim, right? That it's really rare (except in cases involving children or the mentally handicapped) for a DA to bring a charge of rape if the victim isn't saying "yep, that's him"?

If your wife would have sex with you either way, she's not going to have you charged with rape. If she does... That's a bad marriage.

Phoenix87ta:

I've noticed that your comments appear to be respectful, well thought out, legibly written, and generally in good taste.

You know you're breaking the rules, right?

/srsly, way to communicate and debate like a decent human being


Sorry. I can try better to troll. Unless this is trolling. Maybe reverse-trolling. I'm trolling people into having a respectful, interesting, conversation.
 
2010-01-26 04:27:58 PM  

rebelyell2006: Maybe she just didn't think your wife was hot?

Or she was jealous.


That was my thought. Probably jealous of me getting to go home with my hottie.

Then she started blathering about animals rights or some shiat, and I waggled the Swedish meatball I had on a fork in her direction and told her to go talk to someone else about that.
 
2010-01-26 04:28:51 PM  

BolshevikMuppet: rebelyell2006:

I know a "lady" who likes to get drunk and screw men. She is the instigator. So it is the man's fault?

And for the second one, that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about people having clumsy, drunken sex, and the next day she wakes up and realizes the guy she screwed wasn't a handsome, rich frat boy but Screech.

/And no on the first paragraph
//Don't want herpes

I agree it's wrong that men are blamed for being at fault (inherently) if they have sex with a drunken woman. But, in the same breath, there are plenty of cases of men taking advantage of women who've had too much to drink. Without at least allowing the concept that "if you get her drunk, and have sex with her while she's mentally incapable of giving consent", it might be rape, you're going to let a lot of evil off the hook.


That is true, that there are plenty of cases of drunk women being taken advantage of, but it is not the same as going to a bar, having a good time, then going back to the apartment, having sex, and waking up, realizing their partner was rebelyell2006 and feeling awkward the rest of the week. That occurs with as much frequency, and that is not rape, but at colleges students are being taught that that scenario is rape and not just poor choices of partners.
 
2010-01-26 04:31:21 PM  
 
2010-01-26 04:31:25 PM  

ciocia: .

That last remark? Spot on. Seriously, the vast numbers of women claiming rape the morning after has approached the urban legend status of roofies--claimed all other the place, but hardly ever happening.


The fact that "roofies" mimic in most cases the symptoms of simply being drunk out of ones gourd doesn't help. The addition of the fact that it stays in your system for something like a week, and it's an easy test, should help dispel the myth behind it, but...

Yeah, there does seem to be an undercurrent of paranoia about this. I don't know about many farkers, but I've never had sex with a woman and been concerned either (a) that she's going to cry rape, or (b) that she's drunk. Why would you sleep with someone if you don't know for a fact that they want you (sober) and that they're not vindictive, or crazy?
 
2010-01-26 04:33:37 PM  

eraser8: Hoopido: So that means there is money to be made in the anti-rape-strap-on-penis-for-women market. Some kind of transformer camo. If just the sight of a "woman" having a 12 inch hard cock under her skirt doesn't make them run immediately, we can fill it with mace or hide a gun in it.

You'd have to be some extraordinary kind of stupid to be fooled by a fake penis. Just give women the mace or the gun.

/Also, 12 inches? Who outside of porn has 12 inches?


My wife?
 
2010-01-26 04:34:35 PM  

rebelyell2006:

That is true, that there are plenty of cases of drunk women being taken advantage of, but it is not the same as going to a bar, having a good time, then going back to the apartment, having sex, and waking up, realizing their partner was rebelyell2006 and feeling awkward the rest of the week. That occurs with as much frequency, and that is not rape, but at colleges students are being taught that that scenario is rape and not just poor choices of partners.


Well, as before, the actual occurrence of false rape accusation is pretty low. Chances are, the girl's going to feel awkward, maybe even a little slimy (not necessarily because you're a mouth-breathing CHUD, but just because of the drunken one night stand thing), but not like she needs to cry rape.

The reason the schools do it, I think, is that it's better safe than sorry (on both sides). If the guy does have sex with a drunk girl, there's the chance he can be accused of rape (even if it's unlikely, even if it doesn't stick), and if the girl gets drunk, there's the chance (higher) that she can actually be raped.
 
2010-01-26 04:35:01 PM  

BolshevikMuppet: You do remember that a charge of rape has to be substantiated by the victim, right?


You do remember that I was not referring to what this hypothetical wife says or thinks, but instead what the feminazi in question says or thinks, right? Because the thing is, I completely agree with you.

rebelyell2006: at colleges students are being taught that that scenario is rape and not just poor choices of partners.


Trouble here is many college guys will throw parties and invite females with the specific intent of impairing them enough that they'd be willing to have sex with them. To be honest, I've never seen that shade of gray anywhere else in my life, and I certainly do not like how that debate usually goes.
 
2010-01-26 04:35:12 PM  

ciocia: O.K., the Department of Justice puts the number of spurious rape claims at about 8%link. But what do they know?


A "spurious claim" would be what, an exoneration before or with trial? That could be taken as "Only 8% of men accused of rape were exonerated". The problem is, to me, that a "spurious claim" would mean an accusation of rape where no rape occurred. Reality is often trickier than that. A disproportionate number of Innocence Project cases are of men falsely accused and convicted of rape. However, there is no question that the accuser was raped. However, the woman identified the wrong man, a problem I would think made vastly worse by the added component of alcohol.

Which is a wonderful situation where we get to have two victims:

"For 23 years, Michelle Mallin thought Timothy Cole had raped her in 1985. She had identified him in two lineups and he had been convicted of raping her and sentenced to 25 years in prison. He claimed his innocence, however, until the day he died in prison of asthma in 1999.

In 1995, another man, Jerry Wayne Johnson, starting admitting in letters that he committed the crime. His claims fell on deaf ears for the more than a decade. Last year, the Innocence Project of Texas began investigating the case, and new DNA testing indeed proves that Cole was innocent and that Johnson committed the rape. Cole's family, along with the Innocence Project of Texas, is now pushing for his exoneration, and they have an ally in Mallin."
 
2010-01-26 04:36:13 PM  

BolshevikMuppet: You do remember that a charge of rape has to be substantiated by the victim, right?


Well then, if we go home with a drunk chick and she never complains, is it rape or not? I would agree with the above statement--if neither party claims rape, then no rape occured, but there's a lot of people who say that if alcohol is involved it's automatically rape.
 
2010-01-26 04:37:04 PM  
BolshevikMuppet: Phoenix87ta:

I've noticed that your comments appear to be respectful, well thought out, legibly written, and generally in good taste.

You know you're breaking the rules, right?

/srsly, way to communicate and debate like a decent human being

Sorry. I can try better to troll. Unless this is trolling. Maybe reverse-trolling. I'm trolling people into having a respectful, interesting, conversation.


And that's the best kind of trolling there is.

On topic, I think that you've really hit the nail on the head. Essentially, the legal system with regard to cases of rape is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't, so to speak, and so are some of the guys involved.

We may end up in a society where a guy needs a consent form and negative breathalyzer test (a whole other thread entirely, that one...) to not be accused of rape, but what's the other option? There's a whole lot of flaws, but no real obvious solution.

Even more on topic, I feel bad for the kid.
 
2010-01-26 04:38:50 PM  
Ghastly

Hey Ghastly! I didn't know you had a Fark account!

When will the comic be updated?
 
2010-01-26 04:39:05 PM  

ReverendJasen: there's a lot of people who say that if alcohol is involved it's automatically rape.


These are the people that are aware of what the law states. Whether we agree with it or not is irrelevant.
 
2010-01-26 04:39:20 PM  

eraser8:

/Also, 12 inches? Who outside of porn has 12 inches?


I have 12 centimetres. We use metric in Canada.
 
2010-01-26 04:40:46 PM  

Mykeru: silance: We should all just stop fighting, join our hands and our hearts together in brotherly love and harmony and with our voices together let out a great and joyous noise...

Regardless of how noble the cause, it's a sight like that makes me wonder how to go about getting a federal license for a privately owned flame-thrower.

Kumbaya, douche-nozzles!


Step One is to have never made that post.


Next apply for a FFL to do so you have to be all of the folowing.
21 years or more of age;
not prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition;
Has not willfully violated the GCA [Gun Control Act] or its regulations;
Has not willfully failed to disclose material information or willfully made false statements concerning material facts in connection with his application;
Has premises [which in most cases can be your home] for conducting business or collecting;
 
2010-01-26 04:41:43 PM  

MeanJean: Ghastly

Hey Ghastly! I didn't know you had a Fark account!

When will the comic be updated?


As soon as these fat Hispanic dudes stop trying to rape me.
 
2010-01-26 04:42:57 PM  

Ghastly: MeanJean: Ghastly

Hey Ghastly! I didn't know you had a Fark account!

When will the comic be updated?

As soon as these fat Hispanic dudes stop trying to rape me.


Aww... I can't wait that long!
 
2010-01-26 04:43:14 PM  

MeanJean: Ghastly

Hey Ghastly! I didn't know you had a Fark account!

When will the comic be updated?


Wait, you found his comic outside of Fark? What did you do, google search "tentacle porn webcomics"?
 
2010-01-26 04:45:22 PM  

Phoenix87ta: I think NightOwl2255's trying to say that there are no recovered alcoholics, only recovering alcoholics.


Yeah, I can farking read. I'll ask again: Who says there are no recovered alcoholics? What irritates me is the snug, knee jerk way that is thrown out.

The claim that there are no recovered alcoholics is an assertion made only by Alcoholics Anonymous or from AA indoctrination which permeates the entire recovery movement. Like the body of AA's nonsensical assertions, the claim has little to do with alcoholism and everything to do with the perpetuation of a quasi-religious group.

If you've got anything beside AA bumper-sticker philosophy to contribute, let me know.
 
2010-01-26 04:45:56 PM  

rebelyell2006: MeanJean: Ghastly

Hey Ghastly! I didn't know you had a Fark account!

When will the comic be updated?

Wait, you found his comic outside of Fark? What did you do, google search "tentacle porn webcomics"?


Don't know about anyone else, but I found it by pressing the "Stumble!" button on my browser. Stumble Upon is usually entertaining, occasionally informative, and always a huge time sink.
 
2010-01-26 04:46:08 PM  
He's lucky it wasnt me.... situation mightve turned into rape + kidnapping and more rape.

/uh i mean, uh
 
2010-01-26 04:46:09 PM  
OniNeko
Does a gun to the head count? I'm still here.
I'm curious to hear this story, not that I'd actually believe a word of it.


You're the kind of person I hold in such low regard that I believe you should be consumed for food or burned for fuel. You're rude, you twist words, and you troll the internet looking for fights.


i290.photobucket.com

Its actually kind of funny you would call me rude when you're the one who calls rape victims who didn't fight until they were dead or unconscious "cowards".
 
2010-01-26 04:46:45 PM  
@Mykeru.

The FBI's 1996 Uniform Crime Report states that 8% of reports of forcible rape were determined to be unfounded upon investigation. but that percentage does not include cases where an accuser fails or refuses to cooperate in an investigation or drops the charges.

So, if the woman chooses not to pursue it/cooperate with the investigation, or recants of her own recognizance, it's not part of the 8%. The 8% is "the woman stuck to her guns, the case was investigated, and here's the number of men exonerated"

The idea of Joseph and Potiphar's wife being the archetype for women claiming rape is not upheld by empirical data
 
2010-01-26 04:47:15 PM  

rebelyell2006: Wait, you found his comic outside of Fark? What did you do, google search "tentacle porn webcomics"?


As if we all haven't done that from time to time.
 
2010-01-26 04:48:32 PM  

ReverendJasen: Well then, if we go home with a drunk chick and she never complains, is it rape or not?


What if you don't go home with a drunk chick who gets raped, but get the blame anyway?

That's also a problem.
 
2010-01-26 04:49:13 PM  

Mykeru: ciocia: O.K., the Department of Justice puts the number of spurious rape claims at about 8%link. But what do they know?

A "spurious claim" would be what, an exoneration before or with trial? That could be taken as "Only 8% of men accused of rape were exonerated". The problem is, to me, that a "spurious claim" would mean an accusation of rape where no rape occurred. Reality is often trickier than that. A disproportionate number of Innocence Project cases are of men falsely accused and convicted of rape. However, there is no question that the accuser was raped. However, the woman identified the wrong man, a problem I would think made vastly worse by the added component of alcohol.

Which is a wonderful situation where we get to have two victims:

"For 23 years, Michelle Mallin thought Timothy Cole had raped her in 1985. She had identified him in two lineups and he had been convicted of raping her and sentenced to 25 years in prison. He claimed his innocence, however, until the day he died in prison of asthma in 1999.

In 1995, another man, Jerry Wayne Johnson, starting admitting in letters that he committed the crime. His claims fell on deaf ears for the more than a decade. Last year, the Innocence Project of Texas began investigating the case, and new DNA testing indeed proves that Cole was innocent and that Johnson committed the rape. Cole's family, along with the Innocence Project of Texas, is now pushing for his exoneration, and they have an ally in Mallin."


by "spurious," DOJ meant that, in the opinion of the police, no crime had been committed. Women don't always, or even mostly misidentfy because they are drunk, but because they are frightened, hurt, in shock. In some Project Innocence cases, the victim was dead. I think we can safely agree that in such cases, it wasn't morning after remorse but a real crime, no? I'm amazed that any thread on rape--even the attempted rape of a man--turns into "aren't women lying biatches?"
 
2010-01-26 04:50:44 PM  

ReverendJasen: rebelyell2006: Wait, you found his comic outside of Fark? What did you do, google search "tentacle porn webcomics"?

As if we all haven't done that from time to time.



>.>

Nothing to see here. Move along citizens.

I think it's a sad day when I can see "tentacle porn webcomic" and not even bat an eye.


>.>
 
2010-01-26 04:53:00 PM  

meatofmystery: am i really the first????


Like, 80 posts in! What the hell is going on here, Fark?!?
 
2010-01-26 04:55:35 PM  

ciocia:

by "spurious," DOJ meant that, in the opinion of the police, no crime had been committed. Women don't always, or even mostly misidentfy because they are drunk, but because they are frightened, hurt, in shock. In some Project Innocence cases, the victim was dead. I think we can safely agree that in such cases, it wasn't morning after remorse but a real crime, no? I'm amazed that any thread on rape--even the attempted rape of a man--turns into "aren't women lying biatches?"


In fairness, there's a legitimate complaint about the way the law treats men and women in terms of sexual assault, especially when alcohol or drugs are involved.

We can discuss (at length) whether the data from any set of research is accurate (since some studies have put the false claim rate at closer to 60%, and the recanting rate around 50%), but we don't need to devolve into claims that the other side is making specious claims. Even Mykeru isn't saying "women are lying biatches", from what I've seen
 
2010-01-26 04:55:58 PM  
Ghastly
MeanJean: Ghastly

Hey Ghastly! I didn't know you had a Fark account!

When will the comic be updated?

As soon as these fat Hispanic dudes stop trying to rape me.


Now that would be some great strip fodder.

Oh by the way, this might interest you.
19th century tentacle porn by Felicien Rops (NOT WORK SAFE!) (new window)

1905 tentacle porn by Martin Van Maele (REALLY NOT WORK SAFE) (new window)

Bless those French.
 
2010-01-26 04:57:39 PM  

MeanJean: you're the one who calls rape victims who didn't fight until they were dead or unconscious "cowards".


See my previous assertion of you twisting words to attack people. It's more how you assumed I was just being an ITG because I said I'd go down swinging that I called YOU a coward.

It's one thing to not fight back for fear of dying. That is an important survival instinct. It is entirely another thing to not be able to fathom how one person out of billions could have enough of a touch of insanity to actually fight back when the situation seems hopeless and want to eat the raw flesh of the perpetrator of a horrific crime.

Oh, and I'll see your welcome to fark picture and raise you a successful troll is successful. You'll have to go find it yourself, though.
 
2010-01-26 04:58:39 PM  

Mykeru: Phoenix87ta: I think NightOwl2255's trying to say that there are no recovered alcoholics, only recovering alcoholics.

Yeah, I can farking read. I'll ask again: Who says there are no recovered alcoholics? What irritates me is the snug, knee jerk way that is thrown out.

The claim that there are no recovered alcoholics is an assertion made only by Alcoholics Anonymous or from AA indoctrination which permeates the entire recovery movement. Like the body of AA's nonsensical assertions, the claim has little to do with alcoholism and everything to do with the perpetuation of a quasi-religious group.

If you've got anything beside AA bumper-sticker philosophy to contribute, let me know.


My father (who despises AA and everything it stands for) calls himself a recovering alcoholic. He hasn't had a drop of alcohol in almost a decade, but he still considers himself in recovery, since he's still addicted.

The ability to avoid ones addiction, or even to overcome the desire to go back down the rabbit hole, does not render one not addicted. The true measure of a recovered alcoholic would be having overcome the addiction, and being able to drink responsibly, wouldn't it?
 
2010-01-26 04:59:50 PM  

BolshevikMuppet: ciocia:

by "spurious," DOJ meant that, in the opinion of the police, no crime had been committed. Women don't always, or even mostly misidentfy because they are drunk, but because they are frightened, hurt, in shock. In some Project Innocence cases, the victim was dead. I think we can safely agree that in such cases, it wasn't morning after remorse but a real crime, no? I'm amazed that any thread on rape--even the attempted rape of a man--turns into "aren't women lying biatches?"

In fairness, there's a legitimate complaint about the way the law treats men and women in terms of sexual assault, especially when alcohol or drugs are involved.

We can discuss (at length) whether the data from any set of research is accurate (since some studies have put the false claim rate at closer to 60%, and the recanting rate around 50%), but we don't need to devolve into claims that the other side is making specious claims. Even Mykeru isn't saying "women are lying biatches", from what I've seen


I wasn't talking about her, but the whole thread. In general, when drugs and alcohol are involved and the accuser is a white college student, there are "thorny issues" that make the cover of magazines. When the accuser is a hooker, or homeless, or from the dregs of society, the case is just thrown out.
 
2010-01-26 05:00:14 PM  
OniNeko 2010-01-26 03:21:15 PM

You sound like a coward. I bet you'd lay there and take it.

If my warrior mentality doesn't make sense to you, that's okay. I don't give a shiat if he outweighs me 3x and carries an uzi. If he wants to rape me, he'll have to rape my corpse or die trying.

Of course, it's pretty unlikely I'd be mistaken for a woman, what with my full beard and jagged features.


from someone called OniNeko (Demon Cat) im betting that the beard and jagged features consist of 3 freshly grown pubes and the raging hard on of a 12 year old. As for the likelihood success... I foresee a young boy alive and comparing notes between the most recent violation and the one his uncle gave him 5 years before.
 
2010-01-26 05:00:48 PM  

Mykeru: Phoenix87ta: I think NightOwl2255's trying to say that there are no recovered alcoholics, only recovering alcoholics.

Yeah, I can farking read. I'll ask again: Who says there are no recovered alcoholics? What irritates me is the snug, knee jerk way that is thrown out.

The claim that there are no recovered alcoholics is an assertion made only by Alcoholics Anonymous or from AA indoctrination which permeates the entire recovery movement. Like the body of AA's nonsensical assertions, the claim has little to do with alcoholism and everything to do with the perpetuation of a quasi-religious group.

If you've got anything beside AA bumper-sticker philosophy to contribute, let me know.


Oh, I never said he was CORRECT. I wasn't aware that you had got the full meaning of his statement, regardless of its accuracy, and took your comment to be a request for clarification, which I attempted to provide.

Sorry if you got the wrong impression there.
 
2010-01-26 05:01:00 PM  
BolshevikMuppet: If she decides part-way through that she doesn't want it, it's rape.

that sentence scares the shiat out of me. what if said objection goes unvocalized? at what point does a man "rape" a woman without knowing or unintentionally?

sex with regrets does not equal rape, otherwise every man who ever got laid with beer-goggles on has been raped. where do you draw the line?
 
2010-01-26 05:03:53 PM  

OniNeko: MeanJean: you're the one who calls rape victims who didn't fight until they were dead or unconscious "cowards".

See my previous assertion of you twisting words to attack people. It's more how you assumed I was just being an ITG because I said I'd go down swinging that I called YOU a coward.

It's one thing to not fight back for fear of dying. That is an important survival instinct. It is entirely another thing to not be able to fathom how one person out of billions could have enough of a touch of insanity to actually fight back when the situation seems hopeless and want to eat the raw flesh of the perpetrator of a horrific crime.

Oh, and I'll see your welcome to fark picture and raise you a successful troll is successful. You'll have to go find it yourself, though.


If I may interject. It seems like both of you misunderstood what the other was trying to communicate. Jean thought you were claiming anyone who would just "lie there and take it" would be a coward, and she responded with vitriol. I think if everyone took a deep breath, there might legitimately be some common ground of the:

"it's not cowardice to want to submit in order to avoid death, but there are people who would resist unto their dying breath"

variety.
 
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