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2010-01-26 03:16:50 PM  

factoryconnection: Nice, shiny bait. You'll get a few.


You aren't familiar with $cientology's "Preclear Folder?", are you?

Judge Paul Breckenridge, in Church of Scientology of California vs. Gerald Armstrong, noted that Mary Sue Hubbard (plaintiff in that case) "authored the infamous order 'GO 121669' which directed culling of supposedly confidential P.C. [Preclear] files/folders for the purposes of internal security ... for purposes of intimidation and/or harassment".[4] Critics and former members assert that preclear folders have indeed been used for such intimidation and harassment.[5][6][7]


Some have said that the contents of the PC Folder is the blackmail that keeps Cruise and Travolta in the grips of the organization.
 
2010-01-26 03:18:40 PM  

clevercleaver: Its more than any of you cheap bastards did, but you'll find a reason to mock. Did subby not see the part about the military rations? Personally, if you're bringing food to somewhere like Haiti in a freaking jet, you can bring whoever the hell you want, including scientologists, Jesus, the Easter Bunny, Buddah himself and all the inhabitants of of Arcturus. The folks are hurting enough, who cares who passes out aid.

At least he's doing something.

And before you pull the mockery guns out, yes, I donated clothes and money already to the Haiti Relief fund here. Now feel free to mock.


Don't be so grumpy. You don't know what we did or did not do. People have just mentioned that his jet, while generously loaded with food and Scientologists, took the place of another plane that holds much more food and non Scientologists. The other difference is that Scientologists give stress tests and not medical aid.
 
2010-01-26 03:20:11 PM  

She comes in colors everywhere: Anyone else ever think Scientology is just the sort of bet someone like Heinlein would have made with L Ron?

It would go like this:

L. Ron: Hey, Robert. I liked the way you created a whole religion in Stranger In A Strange Land. I'd like to try that.
Heinlein: Yeah, but that was fiction. There aren't any Martians or Old Ones. You can't grok someone by eating them, in real life.
L. Ron: But it would be neat to do it. I bet it would work.
Heinlein: Ten bucks says you can't do it.
L. Ron: You're on.


L. Ron really did start Scientology on a bet, (after making remarks at a WSFCon that there was way more money in religion than writing) but it was WAAAAY before Stranger was written. In fact, given that RAH and LRH were friends before WWII and Their friendship broke off about the same time Heinlein's and John W. Campbell's did (Campbell also famously saying publicly at the time that he was convinced LRH would win a Nobel Prize for Dianetics), it's not unreasonable to read Heinlein's Fosterites in Stranger as a direct rebuke/parody of Scientology
 
2010-01-26 03:20:21 PM  

ddam: Latinwolf: ddam: radioman_: The 55-year-old actor piloted his own Boeing 707 from Florida with six tons of ready-to-eat military rations and medical supplies for survivors of Haiti's devastating Jan. 12 earthquake late Monday.

And how much has subby donated so far?

What does that have to do with the fact that this is a PR stunt? What Travolta did was a good deed but it could have done without alerting the media that he's going to land at that specific time and he could have kept his presence low key if he really wanted to visit the place that badly.

PR stunt, yes, but at least he's still doing more than subby is probably doing or will ever do.

WTF does that mean? Is the subby as rich as Travolta? Does the subby own a freaking 707? Seriously, get off your high horse and take your celebrity worship somewhere else.


Hey snowflake, go fark yourself. I've made fun of the guy as much as anyone else in other circumstances. I'm just pointing home that most of the people trashing him are losers that probably haven't done a damned thing to hlep those people and likely will enver lift a finger to help while trahsing anyone who does.
 
2010-01-26 03:21:40 PM  

clevercleaver: Its more than any of you cheap bastards did


Really?!? Getting in the way of real aid so you can spread your religious dogma helps???

Even people who did nothing have done more than Travolta ... at least they didn't impede the flow of help.
 
2010-01-26 03:22:25 PM  

Cagey B: the_be_sharps: Scientology isn't a religion. It's a cash grab.

Religion has never before been about grabbing cash.


img.moronail.net

/hot
 
2010-01-26 03:24:34 PM  

DrewFL: rigamrts: haha i can see it now Amish people hiding in the woods with a hand crank laptop posting on fark. cause batteries and crank tech it not considered a sin.

Actually, I don't know about the amish, but the Menonites dress the same but they all have cell phones. There were a bunch of them at the job site in amish garb, talking on cell phones. Odd looking to say the least.


It comes from being too literal in your interpretation of Scriptures. Amish and most Mennonites don't ban electricity per se, but, for some reason, wires running to their houses, so it was not uncommon for many even devout Amish to keep a phone in thier barn rather than thier house. Same with wireless phones, many Amish have no problem having them, even though they are far higher tech than the landlines they shunned
 
2010-01-26 03:27:15 PM  

RocketRay: Cagey B: the_be_sharps: Scientology isn't a religion. It's a cash grab.

Religion has never before been about grabbing cash.

/hot


i beg to differ

lets see here

Hmmmmmm

Pat Roberts
Dr Shuler
the catholic church

to name a few

not a cash grab my arse
 
2010-01-26 03:27:15 PM  
Why would the Church of Scientology want to recruit in Haiti as it's not like the people there have money to afford all the Scientology junk.
 
2010-01-26 03:28:42 PM  

Befuddled: Why would the Church of Scientology want to recruit in Haiti as it's not like the people there have money to afford all the Scientology junk.


They're not recruiting there. They wanna get their name in the press so dumb people (like the few in this thread) will say "see, they aren't all that bad".
 
2010-01-26 03:30:11 PM  
I don't know why I'm always so surprised at the number of COS apologists in Fark tabs. The church knows and makes every effort to recruit teens and young adults, those who are most susceptible to its claims.
 
2010-01-26 03:30:34 PM  

MBooda: Latinwolf: PR stunt, yes, but at least he's still doing more than subby is probably doing or will ever can afford to do.

FTFY.

/don't credit to sensitivity what can be attributed to wealth


Well then he's as sensitive as every other person with money who's getting involved in this.
 
2010-01-26 03:31:46 PM  
Oh my god. How farking retarded. I just looked up E-meter
on wiki. What a bunch of idiotic horse shiat. Wow. Yes.
You're reading the electrical resistance of the human body.

L Ron was said to have tested it on tomatoes to see if they
felt pain. He said they screamed when you cut them.

Really?
 
2010-01-26 03:31:57 PM  

clevercleaver: Its more than any of you cheap bastards did, but you'll find a reason to mock. Did subby not see the part about the military rations? Personally, if you're bringing food to somewhere like Haiti in a freaking jet, you can bring whoever the hell you want, including scientologists, Jesus, the Easter Bunny, Buddah himself and all the inhabitants of of Arcturus. The folks are hurting enough, who cares who passes out aid.

At least he's doing something.

And before you pull the mockery guns out, yes, I donated clothes and money already to the Haiti Relief fund here. Now feel free to mock.


My sentiments exactly. I don't care for Scientology, but 6 tons of emergency food is 6 tons of emergency food.
 
2010-01-26 03:32:13 PM  

amanogowa: I think you found your own answer.

These nutters used to post with much greater frequency, but they are still around.



I wouldn't call Scott evidence of me being new, exactly, given that we registered around the same time. Perhaps I just haven't been 'lucky' enough to spot one of them until now.

scott88008: Freshly laundered, dried and folded is my mind for love of Elron, may He forever receive my dollars.


In a way I feel badly for Scott. Members of most cults can at least directly claim that their group's preposterous stories are true. Mormons can insist that the golden plates exist. Rajneesh's gang can tell you that he really can levitate or whatever. Presented with the cracked-headed insanity of the Xenu story all Scott can say is that he hasn't given enough money to his keepers to be allowed to know about it. The phrasing an actual IRL Scientologist I knew years ago used was, "they haven't asked me to believe that yet."

"But they're going to if you pay them enough. You aren't disputing that, right?

"They haven't asked me to believe that yet."

"So you don't care that your lifetime of service is going to be rewarded with bad 50's sci-fi if you 'measure up' by being squeezed of enough cash?"

"They haven't asked me to believe that yet."

"Right, not yet. But they farking WILL. Sitting right here, right now, does the Xenu story sound even remotely plausible to you or like anything a sane person would ever accept?"

"They haven't asked me to believe that yet."


Like a farking robot, no matter what I said. It was creepy as hell, made worse by the fact that he was otherwise a halfway intelligent human being.
 
2010-01-26 03:32:36 PM  
What I find ridiculous is that the ATC let these clowns in ahead of real relief flights.

Farking hell.
 
2010-01-26 03:33:07 PM  
How is this any different than what the Catholics, Mormons, protestants, and some Jewish communities do? I hate Scientology too, but how is this any different?
 
2010-01-26 03:33:15 PM  

Latinwolf: ddam: Latinwolf: ddam: radioman_: The 55-year-old actor piloted his own Boeing 707 from Florida with six tons of ready-to-eat military rations and medical supplies for survivors of Haiti's devastating Jan. 12 earthquake late Monday.

And how much has subby donated so far?

What does that have to do with the fact that this is a PR stunt? What Travolta did was a good deed but it could have done without alerting the media that he's going to land at that specific time and he could have kept his presence low key if he really wanted to visit the place that badly.

PR stunt, yes, but at least he's still doing more than subby is probably doing or will ever do.

WTF does that mean? Is the subby as rich as Travolta? Does the subby own a freaking 707? Seriously, get off your high horse and take your celebrity worship somewhere else.

Hey snowflake, go fark yourself. I've made fun of the guy as much as anyone else in other circumstances. I'm just pointing home that most of the people trashing him are losers that probably haven't done a damned thing to hlep those people and likely will enver lift a finger to help while trahsing anyone who does.


I've been trying to follow this arguement. Fairly unsuccessfully I might add, due to the Percocets for the injured knee. But I have to say, "Dudes, lighten up, Francis." It's the internets. You are obviously not going to agree with each other. Have a drink in honor of one of our fallen and call it a day.

/Or just ignore the ramblings of the percocet-ed girl. Whatevs.
 
2010-01-26 03:33:23 PM  

bilbo douchebaggins: Oh my god. How farking retarded. I just looked up E-meter
on wiki. What a bunch of idiotic horse shiat. Wow. Yes.
You're reading the electrical resistance of the human body.

L Ron was said to have tested it on tomatoes to see if they
felt pain. He said they screamed when you cut them.


Really?


Baxter tested, hubbard approved.
 
2010-01-26 03:34:16 PM  

home.snafu.de




Still waiting upon tom cruise to state that Haitians made a deal with Lord Xenu some time ago and need to repent...
 
2010-01-26 03:36:04 PM  

clevercleaver: Its more than any of you cheap bastards did, but you'll find a reason to mock. Did subby not see the part about the military rations? Personally, if you're bringing food to somewhere like Haiti in a freaking jet, you can bring whoever the hell you want, including scientologists, Jesus, the Easter Bunny, Buddah himself and all the inhabitants of of Arcturus. The folks are hurting enough, who cares who passes out aid.

At least he's doing something.

And before you pull the mockery guns out, yes, I donated clothes and money already to the Haiti Relief fund here. Now feel free to mock.


He took up a slot for a plane with more help. fark him.
 
2010-01-26 03:36:44 PM  
I think the charitable interest is being able to run a non-profit wing of their organization and write off all the "millions" they're spending to help over there, with the bonus of free positive PR.
 
2010-01-26 03:39:24 PM  

thomps: i think it's probably the right priority, considering how impractical and silly looking it would be to attach wind turbines to bibles.


The wind turbines would make the Bibles too cold.

theinfosphere.org
 
2010-01-26 03:41:35 PM  
Didn't his son die because he didn't proper medical treatment? Maybe people who are generally in poor health from the get-go will benefit from it! Lets see what happens.
 
2010-01-26 03:41:55 PM  

coltsbills:

Scientology is dildos.


Dethklok slash porn? Rule 34 rears its ugly head again.
 
2010-01-26 03:46:13 PM  
I'm not s'posed to talk about deleted posts, right? Just that I count no less than 3 hotlinked pics in this thread thread that are still here. Guess it must be considered bad form to admit it in the comment ;) Either that or the freepers are dicks.

on topic: who are the bigger dicks, scientologists or freepers?
 
2010-01-26 03:46:27 PM  
And some doctors
And some support staff
And a couple of tons of food...
 
2010-01-26 03:48:31 PM  

Fano: ddam: SnakeMan: ddam: radioman_: The 55-year-old actor piloted his own Boeing 707 from Florida with six tons of ready-to-eat military rations and medical supplies for survivors of Haiti's devastating Jan. 12 earthquake late Monday.

And how much has subby donated so far?

What does that have to do with the fact that this is a PR stunt? What Travolta did was a good deed but it could have done without alerting the media that he's going to land at that specific time and he could have kept his presence low key if he really wanted to visit the place that badly.

Who gives a shiat why he did it? The point is that the Haitians now have more aid that they didn't have before. Every little bit of help counts. Or do you deny that?

Because help with strings attached is better than no help at all in most cases (especially when the strings are pulled by churches). It's not like the Haitians are short on aid at the moment (800 planes waiting to land). What the people of Haiti need is help, not more strings.

Especially since they've got plenty of rocks to wind their strings around.


How are they doing on prosthetic foreheads?
 
2010-01-26 03:49:46 PM  

SouthParkCon: flamingboard: somebody found another set of mormon gold plates in the rubble and they're flying down their best hats to read them out of.

You really should STFU (new window) and take your idiocy elsewhere. Hate on the mormons all you want but 9 times outa 10 they are first on the scene helping with food, water and the neccesities. (new window)


Yeah! Jesus was here in America helping the indians waaaay before other white folks showed up!
 
2010-01-26 03:50:43 PM  

scott88008: As one of Fark's few (only?) Scientologists I won't attempt defend against the lies propagated by fringe groups on the net (akin to "truther" and "birther" groups which Farkers ironically disdain). I would only submit that if you look at the source material and talk to people who have benefited from the subject you might think differently. Scientology.org is a site sponsored by the church but is one of the few places to get the viewpoint of Scientology on the net.


HBK 3:16 says I just gave you pneumonia.
 
2010-01-26 03:51:45 PM  

coltsbills:

What a Fark Scientologist might look like:


The eyes aren't dead enough. He needs more training in bullbaiting (new window).
 
2010-01-26 03:52:16 PM  

SouthParkCon: flamingboard: somebody found another set of mormon gold plates in the rubble and they're flying down their best hats to read them out of.

You really should STFU (new window) and take your idiocy elsewhere. Hate on the mormons all you want but 9 times outa 10 they are first on the scene helping with food, water and the neccesities. (new window)


woke up on the wrong side of the bible today i see.
 
2010-01-26 03:53:44 PM  
To any Fark Scientologists:

Is there anything that Jason Beghe said in his 37-hour, rambling interview about his decision to leave the church that isn't true?

Because, as painful as that was to sometimes sit through, he basically reiterated a lot of the same stuff you can read about on Operation Clambake, etc.
 
2010-01-26 03:54:08 PM  

coltsbills: Egalitarian: scott88008: As one of Fark's few (only?) Scientologists I won't attempt defend against the lies propagated by fringe groups on the net (akin to "truther" and "birther" groups which Farkers ironically disdain). I would only submit that if you look at the source material and talk to people who have benefited from the subject you might think differently. Scientology.org is a site sponsored by the church but is one of the few places to get the viewpoint of Scientology on the net.

Wow-wee!* A real Scientologist on Fark. I would love to hear how you've benefited from Scientology, and how much money you had to contribute.

\* said in a Toki Wartooth voice

Scientology is dildos.


Um... that pic. I gotta ask.

Wut?
 
2010-01-26 03:55:11 PM  
this is really generous of him. he has been nothing but a good guy as far as i know. piss on you jerks that cut him down.
 
2010-01-26 03:55:53 PM  

Cagey B: the_be_sharps: Scientology isn't a religion. It's a cash grab.

Religion has never before been about grabbing cash.


Religion = Superstition + $$$$$
 
2010-01-26 03:56:26 PM  

scalpod: Fano: ddam: SnakeMan: ddam: radioman_: The 55-year-old actor piloted his own Boeing 707 from Florida with six tons of ready-to-eat military rations and medical supplies for survivors of Haiti's devastating Jan. 12 earthquake late Monday.

And how much has subby donated so far?

What does that have to do with the fact that this is a PR stunt? What Travolta did was a good deed but it could have done without alerting the media that he's going to land at that specific time and he could have kept his presence low key if he really wanted to visit the place that badly.

Who gives a shiat why he did it? The point is that the Haitians now have more aid that they didn't have before. Every little bit of help counts. Or do you deny that?

Because help with strings attached is better than no help at all in most cases (especially when the strings are pulled by churches). It's not like the Haitians are short on aid at the moment (800 planes waiting to land). What the people of Haiti need is help, not more strings.

Especially since they've got plenty of rocks to wind their strings around.

How are they doing on prosthetic foreheads?


Johnny's bringin' em from the Battlefield Earth costume department.
 
2010-01-26 03:57:03 PM  

andrew131: How is this any different than what the Catholics, Mormons, protestants, and some Jewish communities do? I hate Scientology too, but how is this any different?


Ultimately, it's not very different at all, in terms of the "hey lookit our awesome religion" aspects.

The issue with Scientology is that we've watched it grow out of nothing in virtually no time. It's case-in-point evidence of how ordinary people can buy into an obviously false story story designed to take their money. And because the founders of the cult were smart enough to brand it as a religion they got tax-exempt status and no one can touch them in the US because they hide under the umbrella we set out for religion.

Scientology is like Mormonism -- a stupid story that a few people bought, and after the death of the cult leader it turned into a self-perpetuating system. Both were originally scams that forgot they were scams once the scammers all died off.

The fact that we can watch this happen over and over again, even within living memory, should tell everyone a little something about their own religious cults, leaders, and long-dead figureheads. It should, but it doesn't.
 
2010-01-26 03:58:53 PM  
www.google.com

These religious a-holes really get on my tits.

Any good that they do is always tainted by the fact that they have to do so via their beliefs and not just simple decent humanity. You're human, you have that humanity already, so leave it a home, a-holes.

One of the things which made me annoyed when the disaster happened was when a missionary group from the US were interviewed at the airport, and they were saying how glad they were to get a flight home. Jesus-farking H. Christ I wanna punch them in the head make them see some sense.
 
2010-01-26 03:59:46 PM  
Scientologists? In my Fark?

So is this a form a self-flagellation?
 
2010-01-26 03:59:49 PM  
Does anyone else remember the commercials for Dianetics with the volcano?

When I was a kid I thought it would be a really cool disaster book to read. I always asked my mom to buy it.

Oops.
 
2010-01-26 04:00:33 PM  

GungFu: These religious a-holes really get on my tits.

Any good that they do is always tainted by the fact that they have to do so via their beliefs and not just simple decent humanity. You're human, you have that humanity already, so leave it a home, a-holes.

One of the things which made me annoyed when the disaster happened was when a missionary group from the US were interviewed at the airport, and they were saying how glad they were to get a flight home. Jesus-farking H. Christ I wanna punch them in the head make them see some sense.


Why is there a cross on the Scientology t-shirt?
 
2010-01-26 04:03:48 PM  

cats4rent: this is really generous of him. he has been nothing but a good guy as far as i know. piss on you jerks that cut him down.


his heart's in the right place, but the article is implying that they let his plane (filled mostly with good stuff, but also with a few scientology ministers) land while doctors without borders has planes that are backed up on the waiting list.
 
2010-01-26 04:05:19 PM  
I'm not gonna fault the guy for flying over there with 6 tons of military ration food.
 
2010-01-26 04:06:28 PM  
FTA:
The 55-year-old actor piloted his own Boeing 707 from Florida with six tons of ready-to-eat military rations and medical supplies for survivors of Haiti's devastating Jan. 12 earthquake late Monday.

I'm totally cool with that. Scientology or not, JT is cool in my book. He doesn't proselytize that I've noticed. He can believe in whatever sky-wizard/Xenu/Thetan mumbo-jumbo he wants. Just don't be up in everyone's face about it.

And at least he's not that farking lunatic Cruise!
 
2010-01-26 04:07:38 PM  

Epicedion: Why is there a cross on the Scientology t-shirt?



The same reason the Catholics adopted Christmas and Easter: to add a point of familiarity for the pagans.

SomeoneDumb: The eyes aren't dead enough. He needs more training in bullbaiting (new window).



That (bullbaiting) sounds like a pretty good explanation for the behavior of the guy I mentioned in my last post. Questioning anything the CoS told him turned him into one of the Tranquil from the Dragon Age game until you gave up on it.
 
2010-01-26 04:09:23 PM  

dumbgai: cats4rent: this is really generous of him. he has been nothing but a good guy as far as i know. piss on you jerks that cut him down.

his heart's in the right place, but the article is implying that they let his plane (filled mostly with good stuff, but also with a few scientology ministers) land while doctors without borders has planes that are backed up on the waiting list.


And it would be terrible if his little celebrity jaunt into a disaster area backed up larger quantities of aid.

This is one of the few truths about reality that I can muster: if you do something publicly to help other people in the name of your religion, it taints everything you do with your own self-interest.

Story: "John Travlota and a bunch of people on a plane deliver aid to Haiti" or "Scientology gets free advertising from major news sources"

They're taking advantage of a common sentiment about religion: look at all the good religion has done.
 
2010-01-26 04:10:04 PM  
These "Scientology Volunteers" showed up on Virginia Tech's campus after the shootings there a few years back to provide "grief counseling and trauma relief". I'll give them credit though, they put up a big bright yellow tent and dressed in yellow shirts with "Scientology Volunteer" above a cross making them very easy to avoid for those who wanted to which appeared to be everyone.

staging.radaronline.com
 
2010-01-26 04:11:13 PM  

DrewFL: rigamrts: haha i can see it now Amish people hiding in the woods with a hand crank laptop posting on fark. cause batteries and crank tech it not considered a sin.

Actually, I don't know about the amish, but the Menonites dress the same but they all have cell phones. There were a bunch of them at the job site in amish garb, talking on cell phones. Odd looking to say the least.


The Mennonite Central Committee (pops) is sending a lot of relief aid to Haiti.

\One of my clients is one of their programs
\\Quite proud of that fact, even though I'm an "militant" atheist
 
2010-01-26 04:13:09 PM  
download.lardlad.com
"But you promised to help me move, aw jeez!"
 
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