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(Telegraph)   Boo-hoo, there are too many things to choose from   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 130
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2010-01-22 10:52:51 AM
indarwinsshadow: ~Yep. I think it's the poorest that got your country and mine into massive debt. The poor have little understanding how wealth is generated and managed. Hence, why they're poor. They want more crap, so they over extend their credit to buy stuff they really really don't need. It's just greedy rich people who take advantage of that. You're not to bright are you?

Welfare-related spending is 12% of the federal budget. The poor are hardly the reason this country is in debt.
www.usgovernmentspending.com

On second thought, you're right. I'll go kick a homeless person in the face.
 
2010-01-22 10:56:44 AM
indarwinsshadow: You're not to bright are you?

Of course I'm bright enough to be able distinguish between the debt of a country and the debt the people carry.

And you're still wrong. The credit crisis in the US was fueled by the middle class and the financial industry preying on them. Not the poor.
 
2010-01-22 11:03:37 AM
This is Timeless. After Decades the stupid socialist are still arguing the same pathetic points. I'm not that old but I remember talking about this exact thing 25 years ago in 7th grade social science class. Get some new material or a economic model that actually works in real life and we might start listening to you.
 
2010-01-22 11:03:43 AM
ccunningham22: Agreed. I usually weigh options in any decision on how much I'm going to get raped and who is going to be benefiting by raping me. Do I pay rent to a landlord who will rape me or do I move in with a friend who will rape me in rent? I say friend, because at least I know my rape is going to benefit someone of value.

You said "friend" twice.
 
2010-01-22 11:12:01 AM
buddyrtr
Man up, nancies! Just pick something and deal with it. If it turns out that it's not what you really wanted, pick something different and see how you like it.

/It's not rocket surgery!


For major life choices that really doesn't make much sense. Some careers take between 7 and 10 years just to *get started*. Deciding to be a doctor, getting an undergraduate degree, going to med school, completely your residency and obtaining some 200k in debt is not something you want to decide, after one year of full-time employment, that you want to quit to pursue your dream of being a ninja.

And then, a lot of careers don't end with the first job - for executive types, it can take a many, many years of excellence before they are given the opportunity to lead a company. Having decided to become a doctor significantly reduces the odds of someone being able to climb that corporate ladder in their life-time.

If you want to be an amazing Computer Programmer, the best route you can take is to completely surround yourself with Computer Programming and related topics that apply to being a better computer programmer. Specialization. Spending 20 years laying tile isn't going to help you do that.

So, it's not just that you've got a lot of options to select from - it's the knowledge that you *can't* 'undo' your choice. No matter what job you pick - that job will always be your career job. Yes, you can change your mind and get a different second career, but an change that is the result of 'because you don't like it' is detrimental to your overall success. Spending 20 years in an unrelated field and then starting over as a new X is always going to be worse than starting with X in the beginning.
 
2010-01-22 11:14:48 AM
Research, my arse. What a bunch of pansies. "I can't decide, oh boo hoo." Makes my hand itch a bit, wanting to slap the stupid right outta some people.
 
2010-01-22 11:20:47 AM
Babwa Wawa:
And you're still wrong. The credit crisis in the US was fueled by the middle class and the financial industry preying on them. Not the poor.


Dang it, I'm starting to feel like Grampa Simpson here. I remember about 4 or 5 years ago the newly elected democratic congress passed (with bipartisan support) a bill that overhauled what Credit Card companies could do. Wow that tweeked something and a few years later it goes all to heck... seems to me that these things are correlated. But Hey lets blame "the rich capitalist" or "the ignorant middle America" or "Government overspending on welfare for the poor and illegal immigrants"
It couldn't possibly be MY Congressman that is a corrupted bastard that is taking money like a whore and selling the country to the Large Corporations, Unions and the Chinese. It's always the OTHER political party.
I understand that this is a fake "news" site but does anyone remember anything we read here or we all part of the memory hole?
Well I'm off to the porch to yell at the teenagers. "Get off my lawn!"
 
2010-01-22 11:20:50 AM
bgal85: It's not the actual act of choosing that makes people upset. It is the inability to accept our choices. If after picking a toothpaste, Sam realizes that it isn't as awesome as he imagined, he will then begin to wonder what could have been. He will begin to self hate because he will have no one to blame but himself. However, if there were only one kind of toothpaste, Sam may hate it but he wouldn't be mad at himself. He would be forced to just accept that his toothpaste sucks and move on.

www.mijit.com

You've already made the choice. Now you have to understand it...
 
2010-01-22 11:22:44 AM
Macinfarker: there's there are

FTFY.


ctrl+f for 'there's'
Not used incorrectly anywhere. Who are you correcting?
 
2010-01-22 11:34:24 AM
indarwinsshadow
The poor have little understanding how wealth is generated and managed.


You don't really know what you're talking about. Maybe you never been poor so you are looking at it from the point of view of someone who always had money. The people who are the heart of the problem are the people who want more than their means. It's that simple. You can have a $100k+ income and still easily live above your means. It doesn't matter how little or how much you make. There are poor people who live above their means and there are rich/middle class people who live above their means. There are also poor people who know perfectly well how to manage their money. The same also goes for some rich people. Income is not indicative of the bad financial habits people develop.

For example my sister is married to a lawyer who owns his own law firm AND title company. They live in a 3000+ sq ft house in a gated community. They are leasing a Lexus, BMW, Mercedes, and a BMW sports car (which they never drive, btw). They vacation in Cancun, Bahamas and places like that several times a year. Yet any time I talk to her she talks as if they have no money. Her freakin' phone line was disconnected last month because they couldn't pay the bill. Last month she got her credit report and was complaining on why it was lower than she thought it was (no idea whether she was late on payments or what).

My sis and her hubby make twice the amount of money I do easy, and likely make a good deal more than twice. However in spite of that she is the one that can't seem to manage their money responsibly. I live in a 1800 sq ft home with my wife and kids and we couldn't be happier with our financial situation. Choices are easy and we have enough money beyond our bills and savings to treat ourselves. And it didn't stop there. Back before we were married and I had no steady job we were living in a one bedroom garage apartment, but we were still making end's meet and even had a chance to enjoy the occasional diversion without going into debt.

I know plenty of poor people who are like that. They are poor because they can't get a great paying job, but they are very good at keeping out of debt and not trying to get more than they can afford. You can blame their education or lack or drive for not having a better paying job, but to say you're poor because you don't understand how money is made is a very far stretch.

For whatever reason I learned how to be a proper steward of the finances I bring in and my sister didn't. We grew up in the same house with the same parents and values. In spite of all that and in spite of my sister having much more financial resources than I do she is the one who can't seem to have enough money for her lifestyle.

Rich, middle-class or poor. How much you make has no bearing on how responsible you will be with what you make.
 
2010-01-22 11:43:38 AM
NeverSaidThat: Ummm.... Barry Schwartz wrote an entire book on this subject called The Paradox of Choice in 2004.

Interesting read.


Old news.


baltimorebookworm.files.wordpress.com

I wanted to be the first to say this but I've waited too long. At least I can be first to show people what it looks like.
 
2010-01-22 11:51:46 AM
Weaver95: whomever wrote that article is an idiot has an agenda.

FTFY

The mode of existence where there is the least choice is slavery. You have one, and only one, choice: obey or die. Makes Life pretty simple, no?

There are many, many people who secretly, even unconsciously, yearn for a society of masters with absolute power and slaves with absolutely none. Interestingly, the roles they attribute to themselves can vary between both.
 
2010-01-22 11:52:09 AM
StarBob: NeverSaidThat: Ummm.... Barry Schwartz wrote an entire book on this subject called The Paradox of Choice in 2004.
Interesting read.
Old news.

I wanted to be the first to say this but I've waited too long. At least I can be first to show people what it looks like.


Yeah, but who needs psychological research? I have an opinion, so I know I'm right.
 
2010-01-22 12:07:14 PM
When can we start building the coffin for the belief that university professors are the be all-end all of wisdom and knowledge?

This is just another nail to build it with.
 
2010-01-22 12:26:24 PM
Step 1: Is the decision worth committing time and agony to?
If yes, just farking pick something and stop blocking the aisle. It's just a lightbulb.
If no, go to...
Step 2: eliminate the 90% of the options that are worthless, sub-par, boring or don't interest you.
Step 3: Stop worry what everyone else will think about you.
Step 4: Devise criteria, assign each option a score and rank options by highest score (may involve some numerology and arbitrariness, but at least you think about each option).
Step 5: Go with whichever one scores highest and don't spend all your nights fretting about how much better Options B-Q would have been.

/once saw my girlfriend's mother spend an hour trying to choose a lightbulb and then make a snide remark about me when I started to get bored
 
2010-01-22 12:27:32 PM
Step 1: Is the decision worth committing time and agony to?
If yes no, just farking pick something and stop blocking the aisle. It's just a lightbulb.
If no, yes go to...


FTFM

/not a programmer
//or a copyeditor
 
2010-01-22 12:38:04 PM
FTFA: "The study believes that the problem is that when you insufferable, neurotic, indecisive people with no self-esteem have too much choice, you they become obsessed about what your their decision about unimportant things will say about you them."

Fixed that for them. Most decisions we make are really not that hard. Sammich or pizza? Romantic comedy or action movie? Tastes great or less filling? None of that shiat is hard. If you are paralyzed by decisions like this, you have issues that have nothing to do with having too much choice. And if you believe that your choice of beer or clothing or car is something that other people judge you on and you're really concerned about it, you need to stop worrying. Nobody with any brains or anything better to do gives a shiat what you wear, drink or drive.
 
2010-01-22 12:42:32 PM
unyon: I presume you mean Malcolm Gladwell.

No, he meant Thomas Gladwell, the well-known Dutch author.
 
2010-01-22 01:04:21 PM
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2010-01-22 01:06:30 PM
theoriginalslash: FTFA: "The study believes that the problem is that when you insufferable, neurotic, indecisive people with no self-esteem have too much choice, you they become obsessed about what your their decision about unimportant things will say about you them."

Fixed that for them. Most decisions we make are really not that hard. Sammich or pizza? Romantic comedy or action movie? Tastes great or less filling? None of that shiat is hard. If you are paralyzed by decisions like this, you have issues that have nothing to do with having too much choice. And if you believe that your choice of beer or clothing or car is something that other people judge you on and you're really concerned about it, you need to stop worrying. Nobody with any brains or anything better to do gives a shiat what you wear, drink or drive.


Stress is an emotional addiction like an other self-reinforcing behavior. People without danger or real uncertainty in their lives (backdrop: Haiti) need to create something to worry about. It gives them a thrill. A miserable, miserable thrill.

/just ask my ex
 
2010-01-22 01:09:48 PM
"Once, I had all the choices in the world, but no power at all, but now I have all the power in the world, but no choices at all."
 
2010-01-22 01:24:21 PM
I don't think the causal relationship between "having choices" and "being unhappy" is well-defined at all by this study. Correlation, maybe, but not causation.

I do note anecdotally that many people I interact with hate to make decisions. (We've all experienced the "Where do you want to eat?" stalemate.) In my experience, they tend to be less successful than people who can make decisions without dreading potential outcomes.

I'm with buddyrtr. Man up. Make decision, evaluate outcome, revise decision-making process, repeat.
 
2010-01-22 02:28:46 PM
I disagree. There's not enough choice out there.

If you disagree, try asking for custom hardware in your next cell phone, e.g. you want an iPhone, but don't need a camera in it, so can we remove that and knock it off the price?

Or, to go out on a limb, ask for your next Dell to be installed inside a live cactus.

There's plenty of room for creativity and imagination for appearance and function in many consumer products.
 
2010-01-22 03:11:54 PM
Marketing makes this simple. There are always three tiers of product; cheap, medium and expensive. I decide which tier I want to shop in and the rest is easy.
 
2010-01-22 03:57:24 PM
unyon: I presume you mean Malcolm Gladwell. All his stuff is amazing- Outliers, Tipping Point, Blink, all I would consider required reading.


I was going to read one of his books, but I couldn't decide which one.
 
2010-01-22 04:49:13 PM
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2010-01-22 04:52:30 PM
Failing_Junk: The solution is for the government to take away most of our stuff and give it to other people corporations with strong lobbies.

FI
 
2010-01-22 06:10:38 PM
Wow.

This article was ghost written by either the U.S. Government or Keith Olberman.
 
2010-01-22 06:37:50 PM
SRFireside: indarwinsshadow
The poor have little understanding how wealth is generated and managed.

You don't really know what you're talking about. Maybe you never been poor so you are looking at it from the point of view of someone who always had money.


I have. And I had no idea of how people got rich. So I read...a lot. Now I'm not poor, and when I look back at what I knew then vs. what I know now, it's night and day. The catalyst was the decision I made to educate myself.

Rich, middle-class or poor. How much you make has no bearing on how responsible you will be with what you make.


Bearing? Debatable. Correlated? You bet your ass it does. But this can always be changed...if someone wants to change it.
 
2010-01-22 09:34:19 PM
I just read the article. Who *are* these people and where did they leave their common sense? It's not choice and it's not freedom that is a problem. There may be people who for some reason are so wishy-washy they just can't decide what they want, but for most of us, it's a case of "what do I like best? I pick that one." Being paralyzed with fear over making a choice doesn't mean it's bad to have a lot to choose from. These people sound like they are trying to *make* us feel bad about having to make choices. I'll bet they are the same navel-gazers who came up with "you can't enjoy the good things without having the bad things as well."
 
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