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(YouTube)   Richard Winters, Commander of Easy Company during World War II, turns 92 today. Here's a clip from "Band of Brothers"   (youtube.com) divider line 249
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2010-01-21 03:48:00 AM
Deveyn: Mind blowing stuff...

My uncle was in the Canadian Army, got called up in 1940. By the time he landed at Normandy on D-Day he had already been fighting for over 3 years. Needless to say he has some great stories. One time I asked him why he didn't mind talking about it, why it didn't seem to bother him, etc. and he told me, "I wish I could go back in time and kill all those bastards over again. I f*cking hate Nazis."
 
2010-01-21 03:52:59 AM
Never saw, nor have I ever heard of "Band of Brothers". I have no idea why something like that could have escaped my notice. Just spent a good 3/4 of an hour reading up on Richard Winters and company. Going to get the DVDs of the series by hook or by crook today, along with the book.

I really am shocked that I never heard of this before. I'm sure my Dad (a WWII vet and historian of that era) must have had discussed 'easy company' at one time or another - I just don' remember. God knows he lectured us on everything else having to due with the war, its heroes and criminals.
 
2010-01-21 04:01:03 AM
o7

Salute this hero.

These men lived like giants.

No matter our accomplishments, we will likely and rightfully be dwarfed by their legacy. The bravest of us have been molded after their image, and even the bravest of us pray to never be tested as they were.

A fight so terrible and necessary it may be hundreds of years before we must remind ourselves with a similar conflict.

Fighting it with the courage they did, above the hardships, all that alone makes these men the very embodiment of duty and selfless sacrifice. Fighting and winning? Well, I don't have the words to do it justice.

They truly were the greatest generation and men like Winters were the best that that generation had to offer. The very best of the best.
 
2010-01-21 04:13:04 AM
Happy birthday Richard Winters. Truly the greatest generation *salute*
 
2010-01-21 04:24:54 AM
Let me get this, someone brought up Band of Brothers and I said I found it historically inaccurate.

And I'll add, stupid and needless one sided glorification.

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You mouth breathers want to construe that as me attacking Richard Winters, then you're as stupid as I know you are.
 
2010-01-21 04:25:04 AM
spawn73, yes, they were good militarily, better than anyone particularly at the beginning of the war. plenty of allied soldiers, including winters, would testify to that. they were outnumbered and crushed. anything that happened afterwards is a side issue.
 
2010-01-21 04:27:03 AM
Happy Birthday Maj. Winters

/read Beyond Band of Brothers!!
 
2010-01-21 04:29:42 AM
Keep a rockin', Major.
 
2010-01-21 04:31:01 AM
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Happy Birthday, Winter Steele!
 
2010-01-21 04:39:31 AM
Jamieboy: I really am shocked that I never heard of this before. I'm sure my Dad (a WWII vet and historian of that era) must have had discussed 'easy company' at one time or another - I just don' remember. God knows he lectured us on everything else having to due with the war, its heroes and criminals.

You had to of talked about it at some point. Bastogne and the "Nuts," reply to the request of surrender from the Germans is one of the more "holy crap how did they do that," stories from WWII.

As for people with veteran relatives: I had a grand-uncle in the infantry (forget which division) who got a bronze star and at least one purple heart, another uncle who served with Patton and helped liberate some of the camps, he never fully recovered from that.
 
2010-01-21 04:43:58 AM
Ok so my opinion of the best armies in ww2:
1. German
2. England
3. Russia
4. America
5. Australia/Poland
6. Finland
7. Japan
109. Italia ;)
 
2010-01-21 04:44:08 AM
spawn73:

You know how I know you aren't speaking German?
 
2010-01-21 04:44:53 AM
spawn73: Let me get this, someone brought up Band of Brothers and I said I found it historically inaccurate.

Well, to be fair, BoB was about Easy Company, and not the armored divisions you mentioned.

I seriously doubt you've seen this series, as they showed the Americans getting their asses handed to them on more than one occasion.

Maybe they should have included an episode about April 9, 1940, and the Weserübung.

You might be familiar with that one. It's the day when Denmark was occupied by the Germans, which lasted until the end of the war.

They surrendered before noon the day of the invasion. It was the shortest campaign of WWII for Germany.
 
2010-01-21 04:49:41 AM
BesiktasBoy83: Ok so my opinion of the best armies in ww2:
1. German
2. England
3. Russia
4. America
5. Australia/Poland
6. Finland
7. Japan
109. Italia ;)


#1 goes to the guys who lost.


Nice list.
 
2010-01-21 04:50:44 AM
Deveyn:
Mine is my grandfather. He was a Navy Seabee stationed on Tinian. He mostly blew up coral to build the runways. On his spare time he developed photos for people.

Mind blowing stuff...




Was he there during any of the atomic testing?
 
2010-01-21 04:55:08 AM
BesiktasBoy83: Ok so my opinion of the best armies in ww2:
1. German
2. England
3. Russia
4. America
5. Australia/Poland
6. Finland
7. Japan
109. Italia ;)


Finland should be way higher on that list. Stats for the Winter War between Finland and the USSR

Finnish dead and wounded: ~70,000
Soviet dead and wounded: ~ 400,000


Dang, yo

Source: Link
 
2010-01-21 04:56:25 AM
spawn73 You type like Rorschach. The sense, you don't make it.
 
2010-01-21 04:56:51 AM
Sorry for double post. Continuation war:

Finnish dead and wounded: ~220,000
Soviet dead and wounded: ~775,000

Source Link

Don't fark with Finland
 
2010-01-21 04:57:18 AM
spawn73: Or the threads about heroes serving for the German side.

Heroes don't serve a regime that's responsible for the extermination of 11,000,000 million people in concentration camps. I know the regular German Army isn't in the same league as the Waffen SS, but they still served the same people.

Now, let me guess, seeing how you're from Denmark, one or more of your ancestors was a Nazi collaborator, right? Did grandpa join the Schutzstaffel and end up getting executed for gobbling Nazi schlong? Or are you just a teenage Nazi sympathizer?

spawn73: Let me get this, someone brought up Band of Brothers and I said I found it historically inaccurate.

Yes, you found it historically inaccurate. Some things have been changed and left out(did you really expect them to make a three year long movie?), but the part about them kicking the crap out of the Germans wasn't changed.

spawn73: And I'll add, stupid and needless one sided glorification.

If you'll notice, the movie series isn't called Band of Nazis, it's called Band of Brothers and it deals almost exclusively with Easy Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th PIR, 101st Airborne Division, United States Army.
 
2010-01-21 04:59:43 AM
Airbus-Driver: Occam's Chainsaw, bighasbeen:
Everyone who makes a statement like "Soandso is Hitler!" or "Soandso is a nazi!" should be required to watch "Why We Fight". Not because Soandso is not a deplorable example of a human being or a facist, but because it makes people forget what Hitler and the Nazis really did. When "Nazi" means someone who commits some relatively minor offense against personal freedom, what becomes of the real Nazis?


I've spent a long time trying to understand where WWII came from, and Haneke's "White Ribbon" is the closest approach I've seen so far. The chilling thing about that film is not how it illuminates German Nazism (which is its obvious target) but how when watching it you can see how easily the same thing could happen slowly, anywhere else, in the same way.

The thing is not trying to understand deplorable people by looking at them, but trying to see how they are made by exploring their history. That movie is how they are made in parable form. Intolerance and suspicion are the starting points.
 
2010-01-21 04:59:54 AM
Tsar_Bomba1: Was he there during any of the atomic testing?

As far as I know, there was no testing at Tinian. It was a Top Secret operation and for them to do any testing would be tipping their hand to their location. He did tell me however about them sitting there and watching the bombs get loaded on the plane.

Unfortunately I don't have photos of those and his wife made him get rid of all the swords, guns and other stuff he brought back. She only let him keep the pictures.

I do, however, have prints of film taken off dead Japanese after the occupation of Tinian, as well as film from the Korean concentration camps. It turns out that the Japanese were just as bad as the Nazis in the horrors that they visited upon people they didn't see as being equal to them.

He didn't talk much about the war until just before he died, when he gave me a box of pictures.
 
2010-01-21 05:00:25 AM
nom nom nasty: Germany sucks and so do you.

So, when was the last time you visted modern-day Germany?

My generation is very grateful to the Allied forces, I can tell you.
And I definitely will raise a glass on Major Winters tonight, to him and all the others who made sure I can say whatever I want about whoever I want without having to fear for my life or my family's.

During the Third Reich Germany was on the wrong path, there is no denying that.
And the Allied forces did not only destoy an evil regime and stop a war, but they also gave the Germans the opportunity to look into the mirror and say "what the *hell* have we been doing?"

And believe me, we worked hard to get our shiat together after that.
Guess what, German envoys have been welcome mediators in the Middle East conflict, so I'd humbly claim that we made some progress in the getting-along-with-other-countries thing.

So, while I might agree that Germany sucked hairy donkey balls *during the Third Reich*, I suggest that you brush up your knowledge about the more recent history.
 
2010-01-21 05:04:16 AM
danny_kay: So, while I might agree that Germany sucked hairy donkey balls *during the Third Reich*, I suggest that you brush up your knowledge about the more recent history.

Prost.
 
2010-01-21 05:07:29 AM
demanton: bulldg4life: Why he doesn't have a medal of honor is beyond me

There was a rule in place at the time that only one man from a division could earn a CMOH. Richard Cole had already gotten one for the 101st. There's a petition going to try to get one for him.


It was in Congress also. Not sure how that went. The fact that taking those guns out saved numerous lives, and the map of all of the guns firing on the beach, should have warranted a medal of honor.

Bronze stars weren't good enough for the others either, that didn't get silver stars. Going in against unknown odds, helping save a huge amount of lives, deserves more.
 
2010-01-21 05:09:46 AM
dudemanbro: danny_kay: So, while I might agree that Germany sucked hairy donkey balls *during the Third Reich*, I suggest that you brush up your knowledge about the more recent history.

Prost.


Auf die Alliierten Truppen!
www.joska.com
 
2010-01-21 05:10:07 AM
godfatherswiss: The fact that taking those guns out saved numerous lives

It's still canon though for tactical assault. I think that speaks as loudly as a CMOH.

My guess is that he'll get it posthumously. He definitely deserves it.
 
2010-01-21 05:10:13 AM
Oakenhelm: Don't fark with Finland

I was going to point this out too, a lot of troops from a given country were brave and did heroic things, while the Fins, as a race, were/are basically killer robots from the frozen wastes.
 
2010-01-21 05:14:22 AM
danny_kay: Auf die Alliierten Truppen!

I'll drink to that!
/German-American
 
2010-01-21 05:18:03 AM
Oakenhelm: Finland should be way higher on that list.

This. The Finns are not to be farked with, evidently.
 
2010-01-21 05:18:16 AM
At the end of day Easy drank Hitler's Champagne and pissed off his balcony.
 
2010-01-21 05:30:06 AM
nom nom nasty: Germany was badass, beer and trim was delish, I was more trying to insult spawn73.

That is one of the dumber things I've read on Fark...
 
2010-01-21 05:36:46 AM
commodore-64-games.com

You can therefore then take great pride in the fact that you are ALL indeed "Dicks".

And Germans, I understand that humor is still somewhat of an elusive dark art to you, not to be trusted, but this post is not a "troll".
 
2010-01-21 05:41:50 AM
Winters: [quoting from a letter Mike Ranney wrote to him]: I cherish the memory of a question my grandson asked me the other day, when he said: 'Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?' Grandpa said, "No. But I served in a company of heroes."
 
2010-01-21 05:48:53 AM
He fought so that peaceful rule under Godwin's Law could be established.
 
2010-01-21 05:57:26 AM
Damn, I saw the hero tag, and then read Richard Winters, and I thought he had died. :(
 
2010-01-21 06:05:15 AM
Seriously, though, all the troops on the front in Normandy were badass. Including the Germans. You might be facing a frightened kid with a bad stomach that kept him on occupation duty for most of the war. Then again, you might be facing some poor SOB who had spent the last two years on the Russian front, lost most of his family to British or American air raids, had a burning desire to get even and the skills and equipment to make his enemies pay a helluva butcher's bill trying to make him give up his position.
 
2010-01-21 06:05:49 AM
Oznog: RIP Jonathan Winters


Oddly enough, Jonathan Winters was a marine in the Pacific theatre during WWII.
 
2010-01-21 06:06:33 AM
If a quarter of BOB was based on facts, they were indeed the greatest generation.
 
2010-01-21 06:16:00 AM
cynicalbastard: Seriously, though, all the troops on the front in Normandy were badass. Including the Germans.

Agreed. On the Allied side, you're storming the very jaws of Hell, the Germans have had years to prepare, and if you're coming in after the first wave, the first sight to greet you is bloody carnage and dead comrades, horizon to horizon. On the German side, the sea is a carpet of boats, the beach is swarming with soldiers come to kill you, and no matter how many you kill, they just keep coming. It took incredible courage to do either.
 
2010-01-21 06:22:02 AM
From one Paratrooper to an other. Happy Birthday Sir!
 
2010-01-21 06:23:42 AM
themeatcleaver: to this day when i finish watching the final episode of band of brothers i just sigh and realize how empty my life is compared to theirs. the fact that no matter what i ever do, it will pale in comparison to what they did, is simply frightening to me.

Life is a composite of everyday decisions; their decisions were different from yours or mine. FDR said, when he took office in 1933, "This generation has a rendezvous with destiny." How true for us all. What is most mystifying to me is that my parents' generation grew up in the Depression, helped win WWII, and then gave birth to the Baby Boomers. Now there's a conundrum for you.

Comparisons are pointless; live your life well.

"Everything in the world- whatever is and whatever happens- is a test, designed to give you freedom of choice. Choose wisely."

-Rebbe Nachman of Breslov
 
2010-01-21 06:26:42 AM
As someone who lives right around the corner from him, I would love to knock on his door and say Happy Birthday, but he is very private and likes his peace / quiet.
Did see him speak several times....Fning WOW.
 
2010-01-21 06:27:27 AM
Occam's Chainsaw: the Germans have had years to prepare

No I think they were kind of busy in Russia, and carefully misdirected. If they really had been prepared in terms of troops and equipment - not that many compared to what they were fielding overall - the Normandy landings would have been screwed.
 
2010-01-21 06:28:48 AM
there is a Pacific version of BoB coming out in March. i don't see how it could live up to the original, but i am excited nonethesless
 
2010-01-21 06:32:47 AM
Occam's Chainsaw: Airbus-Driver: Everyone who makes a statement like "Soandso is Hitler!" or "Soandso is a nazi!" should be required to watch "Why We Fight". Not because Soandso is not a deplorable example of a human being or a facist, but because it makes people forget what Hitler and the Nazis really did. When "Nazi" means someone who commits some relatively minor offense against personal freedom, what becomes of the real Nazis?

The inverse of that sentiment: when someone is behaving in a manner reminiscent of (or identical to) the Nazis, calling them out on it is not a Godwin. The demonization of the Nazis as the ultimate bad guys of all time ever is almost as bad as apologism. The lesson that we should take away from that time period is that perfectly normal people can be lead into horrific things under the right circumstances.


Part of the reason I suppose I've always been fascinated by WWII is the speculation about "-how in the world could a miserable little paperhanger do that?" (although I suppose being born in '44 and growing up in the aftermath of the war and the long shadow of my father the Marine helped). Your theory is a popular one. Unfortunately, it boils down to either proposing some sort of Hitlerian hypnotism or a lack of free will, and I can's subscribe to either.

/Evil exists.
 
2010-01-21 06:38:00 AM
Mr Logo: Damn, I saw the hero tag, and then read Richard Winters, and I thought he had died. :(

That's what I thought too. Heart skipped a beat for a second.

Paternal Great uncle Is buried in Belgium. Friendly fire got him while driving a supply truck.
paternal Grandmother was one of the first black female army officer (WAAC) that graduated from DES moines OCS

and the man who taught me to cook and whom I've missed every day since I was 12. Is my maternal grandfather who was in north Africa with the 332nd as a mechanic.
I met a man 10 years ago that was a pilot with the 99th. I asked him if he knew a little man named thierry.
He instantly said "Cal" which was my grandfathers name. Then he told some stories.

Lots of tough guys back then
 
2010-01-21 06:42:41 AM
The German speech would've been more moving if they hadn't, one: started the farking war, and two: repeated it from November 11, 1918.
 
2010-01-21 06:53:13 AM
SpeckledJim: No I think they were kind of busy in Russia, and carefully misdirected.

Understood. I was kinda trying to do it from the point of view of a know-nothing grunt. They weren't exactly aware that resistance was much lighter than expected.

rico567: Unfortunately, it boils down to either proposing some sort of Hitlerian hypnotism or a lack of free will, and I can's subscribe to either.

Willingness to be duped. Group conformity. The thinly-veiled threat of implicit violence. Dismissal of reports of atrocities as propaganda. There are plenty of reasons why otherwise reasonable people can be pushed into supporting monsters and tolerating inhumanity committed in their name.
 
2010-01-21 07:00:43 AM
NewportBarGuy: This is why we'll never win the Global War on Terrorism. There is no unified group to surrender.

*Hand Salute* Sir.

We ain't learned shiat since 1945. Sorry 'bout that.


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I concur. Other than communications technology, we've been on vacation ever since.

/Major Dick Winters is my Hero in regards to leadership.
// +Raises a pint+
 
2010-01-21 07:04:34 AM
crab66: This man's balls have 4 moons and a communications satellite that broadcasts the national anthem 24/7 orbiting them.

This This This!

His assualt on the German guns on D Day is still being taught at West Point.
 
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