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(Game Politics)   Apparently the TSA can now take files off your computers and cell phones and turn them over to "unknown third parties" without cause. Subby can think of 1984 reasons why this is bad   (gamepolitics.com) divider line 438
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2010-01-20 01:41:20 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

/hot
 
2010-01-20 01:44:34 PM
Patriot act. Read it.
 
2010-01-20 01:46:09 PM
www.podbrix.com
 
2010-01-20 01:47:47 PM
TrueCrypt. Download it.
 
2010-01-20 01:48:16 PM
I don't believe you, subby. Start listing them.
 
2010-01-20 01:58:54 PM
Somehow this is Obama's fault. Right, Goons?
 
2010-01-20 01:59:43 PM
Cubansaltyballs: TrueCrypt. Download it.

Awesome, thanks for this. It's going on my laptop pronto.
 
2010-01-20 02:00:03 PM
chemical_angel: Somehow this is Obama's fault. Right, Goons?

Well, he is a brother...
 
2010-01-20 02:02:04 PM
Cubansaltyballs: TrueCrypt. Download it.

you really think that will protect you?
 
2010-01-20 02:05:25 PM
aiiee: Cubansaltyballs: TrueCrypt. Download it.

you really think that will protect you?


No, but it will give the NSA something trivial to crack in order to discover your collection of chicken cutlet recipes and tentacle porn.
 
2010-01-20 02:05:39 PM
Border crossing. Different rules
 
2010-01-20 02:08:50 PM
Asa Phelps: Patriot act. Read it.

Amazing how many people just don't get it.

The single most communistic, pro-Big Brother document ever written in our government and it was written by the party that screams Obama is a commie. The irony.
 
2010-01-20 02:15:44 PM
well that's one way to piss off the business community.
 
2010-01-20 02:19:29 PM
aiiee: you really think that will protect you?

TrueCrypt doesn't protect anything. It encrypts data. That is all.

Having your full disk encrypted, alone, won't stop anything... but it will definitely give the TSA or anyone else a real hard time.
 
Pud [TotalFark]
2010-01-20 02:35:16 PM
Merkin Ball: Asa Phelps: Patriot act. Read it.

Amazing how many people just don't get it.

The single most communistic, pro-Big Brother document ever written in our government and it was written by the party that screams Obama is a commie. The irony.


While the patriot act was implemented by the Bush administration, Obama has not done anything to remove any of the intrusions. In fact it looks like they are kicking it up a notch. But, it's easier to just keep blaming Bush, rather than make any changes.

/I can believe in that.
 
2010-01-20 02:40:21 PM
Pud: While the patriot act was implemented by the Bush administration, Obama has not done anything to remove any of the intrusions. In fact it looks like they are kicking it up a notch. But, it's easier to just keep blaming Bush, rather than make any changes.

/I can believe in that.


Oh, but you can blame him. Washington is all about inertia, and once you create a federal agency, it becomes almost impossible to kill. Plus, can you imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth from Republicans if Obama decided to disband DHS during a recession? The cries of making the country less safe and costing all those people their jobs would be deafening.
 
2010-01-20 02:43:22 PM
Merkin Ball: Asa Phelps: Patriot act. Read it.

Amazing how many people just don't get it.

The single most communistic fascist, pro-Big Brother document ever written in our government and it was written by the party that screams Obama is a commie. The irony Business as usual.


FTFY
 
2010-01-20 02:45:45 PM
Cubansaltyballs: aiiee: you really think that will protect you?

TrueCrypt doesn't protect anything. It encrypts data. That is all.

Having your full disk encrypted, alone, won't stop anything... but it will definitely give the TSA or anyone else a real hard time.


also - heavily encrypt your laundry list and hide executable virus programs in them. intel people just love it when you crash their sandbox environment, then wipe your data.
 
2010-01-20 02:55:08 PM
Cubansaltyballs TrueCrypt. Download it.

Absolutely. The entire drive of my travelling laptop is encrypted with TrueCrypt and then there's a TrueCrypt folder on it for company confidential and private data. Likewise, my pendrives are all encrypted.
It won't stop anyone who's knowledgeable and dedicated, maybe,or an order from a Judge. But it'll stop some pimply faced youth in a TSA office going through it.
 
2010-01-20 02:56:39 PM
Truecrypt with hidden OS features turned on is awesome. One of the best things I can think of.
 
2010-01-20 03:05:43 PM
marcpen: Cubansaltyballs TrueCrypt. Download it.

Absolutely. The entire drive of my travelling laptop is encrypted with TrueCrypt and then there's a TrueCrypt folder on it for company confidential and private data. Likewise, my pendrives are all encrypted.
It won't stop anyone who's knowledgeable and dedicated, maybe,or an order from a Judge. But it'll stop some pimply faced youth in a TSA office going through it.


Yep. There are a thousand ways to get into your laptop, the hardest being to brute-force your encrypted data.

If someone wants your data, they're going to find a way.

But... if the TSA powers on your laptop to vacuum out data and they see the "TrueCrypt Bootloader" it will only be a few minutes until they ask you for the password. Just stare at them and ask 'em if their mother ever had any children that lived.

Getting the proper paperwork done to get your laptop cracked open just to find mostly nothing will be outside the realm of "reasonable" for 99.999% of people they try that sh*t with.

If you're a terrorist, or a suspect of some sort, they'd likely just clone your disk and send it to Ft. Meade.

My reasoning is, if they want my data, than dammit... they're gonna have to work for it.
 
2010-01-20 03:07:08 PM
GaryPDX: Merkin Ball: Asa Phelps: Patriot act. Read it.

Amazing how many people just don't get it.

The single most communistic, pro-Big Brother document ever written in our government and it was written by the party that screams Obama is a commie. The irony.

Let's not forget almost all the democrats voted for it at the time too and Obama kept it from expiring.


Obama was NOWHERE to be found when the Senate was voting on the Patriot Act!! NOWHERE!!
 
2010-01-20 03:08:45 PM
Cubansaltyballs:
My reasoning is, if they want my data, than dammit... they're gonna have to work for it.


mine too, but I also encrypt random data in with the legitimate stuff, and put a few surprises in there as a 'reward' for the poor bastard who does all the hard work.
 
2010-01-20 03:10:04 PM
This rule is for customs. For people coming into the US. I don't really have a problem with that.
 
2010-01-20 03:16:17 PM
Weaver95: Cubansaltyballs:
My reasoning is, if they want my data, than dammit... they're gonna have to work for it.

mine too, but I also encrypt random data in with the legitimate stuff, and put a few surprises in there as a 'reward' for the poor bastard who does all the hard work.


When I travel for business I usually have a hard case filled with hard drives and other network tools. Most of the drives are filled with rainbow tables, and the others are for data and whatnot.

It would be pretty hilarious if they spent time brute-forcing open a bunch of 1TB drives that are filled completely with crap they already have.

/10TB of Rainbow tables will unlock damn near every password used by people that is hashed with NTLM or MD5.
 
2010-01-20 03:17:40 PM
If you're serious about not having anyone see your files, just get one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/IronKey-D2-S200-S16-2FIPS-Personal-S200-16G/dp/B002L6H7SE / ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1264018627&sr=8-2

Sure they're expensive, but it's basically foolproof, short of writing your password on a sticky note and putting it on your desk
 
2010-01-20 03:18:41 PM
GaryPDX: He should have let it expire..guhhh. He owns it now as do all the other crats who voted for that piece of shiat.

Ummm... no.

He didn't vote for it. He didn't authorize it. Just because he can't undo this GW f*ckup doesn't mean he owns it.

Do the republicans who voted for it 'own it' as well?
 
2010-01-20 03:18:48 PM
so if I encrypt my laptop HDD with Truecrypt and I need to access those files from another PC (via sata to USB cable), do I just install Truecrypt on the new machine and it lets me in or do I lose access to those files when the drive isn't in that machine?
 
2010-01-20 03:20:35 PM
hazeleyedwolff: so if I encrypt my laptop HDD with Truecrypt and I need to access those files from another PC (via sata to USB cable), do I just install Truecrypt on the new machine and it lets me in or do I lose access to those files when the drive isn't in that machine?

You have to mount it as an encrypted volume in TrueCrypt. It will show up in Windows as an unformatted disk...
 
2010-01-20 03:27:15 PM
Cubansaltyballs: You have to mount it as an encrypted volume in TrueCrypt. It will show up in Windows as an unformatted disk...

Gotcha. I think I'll do that tonight. Thanks!
 
2010-01-20 03:27:48 PM
Just keep the kiddie pr0n off of your laptop when traveling and you'll be OK. You can download more from the free wireless connection at the hotel you're staying.

How hard is that?

/Traveled many times over the last 3 months and not once has anyone bothered to power on my laptop, let alone bother with poaching files from it.

//Had more of hassle with Customs last time I traveled, I'm guessing it was to make sure I wasn't bringing in a bunch of Cuban cigars.
 
2010-01-20 03:30:01 PM
hazeleyedwolff: Gotcha. I think I'll do that tonight. Thanks!

And always remember to burn a copy of the recovery CD... you may need it if something explodes.
 
2010-01-20 03:42:04 PM
This is about Customs and Border Patrol, not the TSA.

Of course, being that the vast majority of TSA goons are pathetic Jack Bauer wannabes, I wouldn't put it past them to start doing this too.
 
2010-01-20 03:42:41 PM
Hau Ruck: Just keep the kiddie pr0n off of your laptop when traveling and you'll be OK. You can download more from the free wireless connection at the hotel you're staying.

I'm more worried about the specs for the device I'm building that will compete directly with the TSA's current contractor. You know the contractor that's sleeping with the mid level TSA budget director.
 
2010-01-20 03:51:50 PM
Step 1: get some space on a server.
Step 2: put all your programs/data on the server.
Step 3: format your laptop.
Step 4: Let the TSA a-holes search it.
Step 5: When you get to your destination, download all your stuff back to your laptop.
Step 6: Profit.
 
2010-01-20 04:04:25 PM
Merkin Ball: Asa Phelps: Patriot act. Read it.

Amazing how many people just don't get it.

The single most communistic, pro-Big Brother document ever written in our government and it was written by the party that screams Obama is a commie. The irony.


ya, how many stories can you find of the Patriot Act being used to harm Americans?

0?

How many Americans will forced health insurance harm?
 
2010-01-20 04:05:35 PM
i'm sure the tsa will be as good at finding files as they are at finding bombs in underwear.
 
2010-01-20 04:06:00 PM
Cubansaltyballs: Having your full disk encrypted, alone, won't stop anything... but it will definitely give the TSA or anyone else a real hard time "probable cause" to seize your entire computer and hold it hostage until you provide them the decryption key.
 
2010-01-20 04:06:03 PM
Thunderpipes: Merkin Ball: Asa Phelps: Patriot act. Read it.

Amazing how many people just don't get it.

The single most communistic, pro-Big Brother document ever written in our government and it was written by the party that screams Obama is a commie. The irony.

ya, how many stories can you find of the Patriot Act being used to harm Americans?

0?

How many Americans will forced health insurance harm?


Good questions? Could you let me know.

And could you explicitly state your definition of 'harm' (physical, mental, personal, financial, etc.).
 
2010-01-20 04:07:49 PM
TT'S THE...www.meatriarchy.com
 
2010-01-20 04:08:12 PM
Customs, not TSA. If you are too dumb to understand this, chances are you can't operate a computer.
 
2010-01-20 04:08:31 PM
That's why one travels with a blank computer with nothing but the OS installed, and transports anything else via different means.
 
2010-01-20 04:09:01 PM
GaryPDX: Merkin Ball: Asa Phelps: Patriot act. Read it.

Amazing how many people just don't get it.

The single most communistic, pro-Big Brother document ever written in our government and it was written by the party that screams Obama is a commie. The irony.

Let's not forget almost all the democrats voted for it at the time too and Obama kept it from expiring.


Politicians, regardless of party (excluding some third parties) love that shiat. It expands their power, they'll rarely say a damn word against it unless it's to their extreme political advantage. When it comes to a vote they all skew toward over-expanding government interference in just about anything.
 
2010-01-20 04:10:57 PM
poot_rootbeer: Cubansaltyballs: Having your full disk encrypted, alone, won't stop anything... but it will definitely give the TSA or anyone else a real hard time "probable cause" to seize your entire computer and hold it hostage until you provide them the decryption key.

That's why TrueCrypt includes the ability to provide "plausible deniability". One passphrase unlocks an innocuous partition -- one you can share. A different passphrase unlocks a hidden partition with your real system. Having the disk or even the innocuous passphrase does not provide any indication of the hidden partition.
 
2010-01-20 04:11:23 PM
Cubansaltyballs: TrueCrypt. Download it.

Pfffft.

I use a polyphonetically-grouped twenty-square-digit key transposed from boustrophedonic form with multiple nulls.

The only thing I fear is a Drogan's Decoder Ring.
 
2010-01-20 04:11:37 PM
Thunderpipes:
How many Americans will forced health insurance harm?


Since I'm from Canada and have experience with socialized medicine, I'm going to go out on a limb and say less people than your current robber baron/extortion racket does.
 
2010-01-20 04:12:00 PM
Thunderpipes: How many Americans will forced health insurance harm?

Those whose taxes are raised to cover the costs?

And will forced health insurance lead up to government-only health insurance? Then think of all those people who lose their jobs when their companies go out of business. And those who leave the insurance business out of principle.

/I'll be damned if I have to work for the government.
 
2010-01-20 04:13:56 PM
Merkin Ball: Thunderpipes: Merkin Ball: Asa Phelps: Patriot act. Read it.

Amazing how many people just don't get it.

The single most communistic, pro-Big Brother document ever written in our government and it was written by the party that screams Obama is a commie. The irony.

ya, how many stories can you find of the Patriot Act being used to harm Americans?

0?

How many Americans will forced health insurance harm?

Good questions? Could you let me know.

And could you explicitly state your definition of 'harm' (physical, mental, personal, financial, etc.).


Harm as in cost us money, jobs, fines, extra IRS problems. You do know the good old IRS will be enforcing the forced insurance buy in?

Since I'm from Canada and have experience with socialized medicine, I'm going to go out on a limb and say less people than your current robber baron/extortion racket does.

And yet Canadians with money come here for treatment. Elective knee surgery in Canada can take over a year to get done, 6 weeks here. Ya, you rock.
 
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2010-01-20 04:14:53 PM
Cubansaltyballs: If someone wants your data, they're going to find a way.

imgs.xkcd.com

/obligatory
//Hot like the CPU used in cracking
 
2010-01-20 04:15:26 PM
ozone: Hau Ruck: Just keep the kiddie pr0n off of your laptop when traveling and you'll be OK. You can download more from the free wireless connection at the hotel you're staying.

I'm more worried about the specs for the device I'm building that will compete directly with the TSA's current contractor. You know the contractor that's sleeping with the mid level TSA budget director.


Your own laptop? As I mentioned, I've not had any of the laptops I use powered on for any reason. I have had several of them swabbed (presumably to check for explosive residue), but never powered on for someone to extract files.

And if the TSA does this, how can anyone from the TSA force you to log into your own laptop to allow them to copy files? If you're worried about that situation, bork your USB ports, wireless and ethernet port to keep them from being able to copy files. And serial ports if you have them, in the unlikely event that a TSA person knows how to use serial ports for file copying.
 
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