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2010-01-18 02:43:51 PM  
anyone putting bible verses on military weapons has greatly misunderstood Christ's message.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2010-01-18 02:50:17 PM  
...and pointest thou thy holy Sniper Rifle of Arlington towards thy foe who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
 
2010-01-18 02:52:14 PM  
"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

and they that shall not followeth me shall get shot in the goddamned head.
 
2010-01-18 02:54:36 PM  
They're just abbreviated chapter and verse references in very small type. If you didn't already know what they meant, you wouldn't see it.

That said, the guy's an idiot for saying they are Bible references (he could have just said they're model numbers).
 
2010-01-18 02:54:42 PM  
This sounds like a good opportunity for the military and tax payers. If the Bible verses aren't called for in the product specs or showed on the drawings, the equipment isn't as specified. The military should keep the equipment and then take their money back.
 
2010-01-18 02:54:55 PM  
Weaver95: anyone putting bible verses on military weapons has greatly misunderstood Christ's message.

This I agree with. However, I don't really see how this is an egregious violation of the separation of church and state.
 
2010-01-18 02:56:41 PM  
You should see what's on the weapons used in the war on obesity.

upload.wikimedia.org
www.bay-of-fundie.com
 
2010-01-18 02:57:25 PM  
thalassatx: This I agree with. However, I don't really see how this is an egregious violation of the separation of church and state.

it's got nothing to do with church and state. in fact, it reads as either a sick joke or one seriously deluded manufacturer who obviously flunked bible study class.
 
2010-01-18 02:58:36 PM  
thalassatx: This I agree with. However, I don't really see how this is an egregious violation of the separation of church and state.

you mean apart from the fact that government-issued weapons are emblazoned with biblical verses?
 
2010-01-18 02:59:45 PM  
VictoryCabal: This sounds like a good opportunity for the military and tax payers. If the Bible verses aren't called for in the product specs or showed on the drawings, the equipment isn't as specified.

What if a rogue bullet hits one of the engravings and deflects into the soldier's head, killing him
 
2010-01-18 02:59:45 PM  
Weaver95: anyone putting bible verses on military weapons has greatly misunderstood Christ's message.

Matthew 10:34 - "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword"
 
2010-01-18 02:59:57 PM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: You should see what's on the weapons used in the war on obesity.

they're quoting revelation? yikes. the gospels, i can understand. sort of. but revelation is some crazy-assed apocalyptic shiat written by a greek hermit high on moldy bread.
 
2010-01-18 03:00:32 PM  
The amount of stupidity here baffles me. How could they think that could, in any way, be a good idea? Also, is the military still buying these? Are they going to do anything about it? The whole thing just makes me sad for humanity.
 
2010-01-18 03:01:58 PM  
Ooh, it's cherrypick Bible quote time, where we pretend Jesus was militant by quoting other people.
 
2010-01-18 03:02:33 PM  
joshthewaster: Also, is the military still buying these? Are they going to do anything about it?

I think it would be safe to assume the answers to those questions are yes and no.
 
2010-01-18 03:03:16 PM  
He's the farmers barren fields,
he's the force the army wields,
he's the expressions on the faces of the starving millions
the power of the man,
the fuel that drives the klan,
he's the motives and the conscience of the murderer.
He's the preacher on TV,
the false sincerity,
he's the form letter that's written by the big computer
The nuclear bombs,
the kids with no moms,
and I'm fearful that he's inside me!

Ya, American Jesus (new window) becoming fact.
 
2010-01-18 03:03:50 PM  
Tom Munson, director of sales and marketing for Trijicon, which is based in Wixom, Michigan, said the inscriptions "have always been there" and said there was nothing wrong or illegal with adding them.

If he's insisting they broke no laws, they must really be Munsoned.
 
2010-01-18 03:13:02 PM  
Chariset: They're just abbreviated chapter and verse references in very small type. If you didn't already know what they meant, you wouldn't see it.

That said, the guy's an idiot for saying they are Bible references (he could have just said they're model numbers).


And ultimately they have no more impact on the weapon holder or the military effort than any other inscription or insignia they could put on the weapon...

The problem is that putting the religious motif on the weapon, even if it has absolutely 0 efficacy, just makes our enemies convictions that this is some sort of Christian Holy Crusade all the more justified in their minds... which is the point of forbidding putting religious scripture on weapons in the first place.
 
2010-01-18 03:23:50 PM  
"And thus did Cain say 'Boom, headshot' after Abel lay dying."
 
2010-01-18 03:28:02 PM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: You should see what's on the weapons used in the war on obesity.

It's too bad that they're not a private company that you can choose not to frequent.
 
2010-01-18 03:45:08 PM  
John 11:35
 
2010-01-18 03:45:38 PM  
"I have read a fiery Gospel writ in burnished rows of steel." ~ Battle Hymn of the Republic.
 
2010-01-18 03:50:23 PM  
"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

I guess Jesus went to Sick Call the day they covered Noise & Light Discipline at Fort Benning.
 
2010-01-18 04:09:59 PM  
Weaver95: anyone putting bible verses on military weapons has greatly misunderstood Christ's message.

Agreed.

Though, reading TFA it seems they're only on the guns (not the ammo) so it's unlikely the enemy is ever going to see the inscriptions, never mind care to look them up to get the sekrit message out.

Though now I suppose they know about it...
 
2010-01-18 04:18:46 PM  
itazurakko: Though, reading TFA it seems they're only on the guns (not the ammo) so it's unlikely the enemy is ever going to see the inscriptions, never mind care to look them up to get the sekrit message out.

Though now I suppose they know about it...


Lousy America-hating media endangering our soldiers by reporting this.
 
2010-01-18 04:19:14 PM  
unyon: It's too bad that they're not a private company that you can choose not to frequent.

your statement is ironic to this thread.
 
2010-01-18 04:25:40 PM  
itazurakko: Weaver95: anyone putting bible verses on military weapons has greatly misunderstood Christ's message.

Agreed.

Though, reading TFA it seems they're only on the guns (not the ammo) so it's unlikely the enemy is ever going to see the inscriptions, never mind care to look them up to get the sekrit message out.

Though now I suppose they know about it...


And we've been equipping the Iraqi military with 'em, too, so. That ought to be a hoot. Wonder what'd happen if the roles/religions were reversed? I'm sure the people I saw at the San Angelo, Texas gun show on Saturday would be fine having Koranic verse notations on their weapons.
 
2010-01-18 04:28:58 PM  
FlashHarry: thalassatx: This I agree with. However, I don't really see how this is an egregious violation of the separation of church and state.

you mean apart from the fact that government-issued weapons are emblazoned with biblical verses?


One would assume they were the best weapons available for the best price. They could have Mickey Mouse emblazoned on them and it wouldn't affect the quality of the weapon.

Letters and numbers only mean something if you assign meaning to them. How long have these weapons been used and nobody cared? Is someone really, truly, deeply troubled by this?

And thinking about it that way, if you're more troubled by the fact that a weapon has a number of a Bible verse (not even the actual verse!) than you are by the fact that there's a war going on where humans have to kill each other... well, there's something damned wrong with your way of thinking.
 
2010-01-18 04:35:36 PM  
itazurakko: Weaver95: anyone putting bible verses on military weapons has greatly misunderstood Christ's message.

Agreed.

Though, reading TFA it seems they're only on the guns (not the ammo) so it's unlikely the enemy is ever going to see the inscriptions, never mind care to look them up to get the sekrit message out.

Though now I suppose they know about it...


They're actually on the scopes. They make the ACOG (Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight) Nobody ever noticed it. I guess we assumed it was part of the serial number, or some internal company tracking number. It's an excellent product. Their rifle optics are both accurate and rugged. I wouldn't care if it was on their civilian sales models, but I can see the issue for their government contracts.

Plus, we have a lot of hardworking Civil Affairs guys and gals who bust their ass all day trying to counteract Al Qaida propaganda. This doesn't make their job easier.
 
2010-01-18 04:37:51 PM  
www.entrygear.com

What an ACOG might look like...

HOLY shiat, it's a CROSS!!
 
2010-01-18 04:46:16 PM  
What an ACOG logo might look like:

www.doctorazad.com
 
2010-01-18 04:48:26 PM  
They've certainly figured out how to justify taking 51% of the national budget.
 
2010-01-18 04:50:16 PM  
Sgt Otter: They're actually on the scopes. They make the ACOG (Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight) Nobody ever noticed it. I guess we assumed it was part of the serial number, or some internal company tracking number. It's an excellent product. Their rifle optics are both accurate and rugged. I wouldn't care if it was on their civilian sales models, but I can see the issue for their government contracts.

Plus, we have a lot of hardworking Civil Affairs guys and gals who bust their ass all day trying to counteract Al Qaida propaganda. This doesn't make their job easier.


Certainly, I think it's not cool to do this, and now that it's been pointed out, it's an issue. Absolutely it's not making the PR people's jobs easier, and it just plays into existing stereotypes as you note.

I'm just saying, surely the main reason it took so long to come out is that the stuff wasn't written on the mortar shells or whatever.

I'll admit, I probably wouldn't have taken those for a Bible verse either - unless it's explicitly "John 3:16" that you see at various rightist protests, I wouldn't get the reference.

...actually it'd be interesting to put on some verses that are just boring things like "After three days, they arrived in town" or whatever filler parts of the story.

ju66l3r: HOLY shiat, it's a CROSS!!

ZOMG CROSS HAIRS!!!!11!!1!
 
2010-01-18 04:54:09 PM  
Having Scripture on the scope converts the heathens before they die.
 
2010-01-18 04:54:16 PM  
(patiently waiting for a particular Pulp Fiction reference)
 
2010-01-18 04:57:13 PM  
ZAZ: ...and pointest thou thy holy Sniper Rifle of Arlington towards thy foe who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.

Over in 2, as far as I'm concerned.
 
2010-01-18 04:58:27 PM  
Weaver95: anyone putting bible verses on military weapons has greatly misunderstood Christ's message.

Like the one about selling your cloak if you have to, in order to buy a weapon?
 
2010-01-18 04:58:51 PM  
GAT_00: Ooh, it's cherrypick Bible quote time, where we pretend Jesus was militant by quoting other people.

OK

Luke 22:36 He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."
 
2010-01-18 04:58:59 PM  
I_fling_poo: (patiently waiting for a particular Pulp Fiction reference)

Ezekiel 25:17 - The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers! And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!

/you're welcome
 
2010-01-18 04:59:07 PM  
The company has said the practice began under its founder, Glyn Bindon, a devout Christian from South Africa who was killed in a 2003 plane crash.


"Devout Christian" and "arms manufacturer" are mutually exclusive. I hope these people are ashamed of themselves.
 
2010-01-18 04:59:13 PM  
EZK.25:17
 
2010-01-18 04:59:39 PM  
I_fling_poo: (patiently waiting for a particular Pulp Fiction reference)

Wait no more.

Ezekiel 25:17
'The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides with the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon those with great vengeance and with furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know that my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.'
 
2010-01-18 05:00:09 PM  
WTF Indeed: Having Scripture on the scope converts the heathens before they die.

But if you only wing them, they become Unitarians.
 
2010-01-18 05:00:24 PM  
thalassatx: One would assume they were the best weapons available for the best price. They could have Mickey Mouse emblazoned on them and it wouldn't affect the quality of the weapon.

the constitutional wall between disney and state prevents that.

it's a government-issued, taxpayer-funded weapon with biblical verses inscribed on it. it is therefore in violation of the constitutional church/state separation. this is not debatable.
 
2010-01-18 05:00:39 PM  
Hmm. Reminds me, obliquely, of the Sepoy Rebellion. Or of one of its precipitating factors, anyhow.
 
2010-01-18 05:00:53 PM  
They should have put codes on the guns that you could enter into a website for a chance to win cool prizes or use to outfit an online avatar with special promotional items. That'd be awesome.

Bible codes though? Uncool AND boring.
 
2010-01-18 05:01:14 PM  
You put your faith in Chrstianity
I put mine in artillery
My M-16, my lord and savior
Christ never done me a motherfarking favor

Pay for all of those in pain
For those who died in vain
Scars from battle nevermore
Still we march off to
War
War
War
War is my shepherd

Hate it if we can't comprehend it
Kill it if we don't understand it
Pray to god and your fate is sealed
As you die alone in the killing fields

Farwell, Graham and Farahkahn
They need god, I need napalm
Praise the lord and pass the ammunition
My sermon is my demolition

War
War is
War is my
War is my shepherd
 
2010-01-18 05:01:16 PM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: You should see what's on the weapons used in the war on obesity.

I'm conflicted. On one hand, I think religion is a little goofy (and Revelations is downright absurd and dangerous).

On the other, In-N-Out is goddamn delicious.
 
2010-01-18 05:02:06 PM  
FlashHarry: this is not debatable.

I take it you're not really familiar with how the internet works?


/While I agree with your ultimate conclusion... "not debatable" is a little silly.
 
2010-01-18 05:02:56 PM  
KingOfTown: I_fling_poo: (patiently waiting for a particular Pulp Fiction reference)

Ezekiel 25:17 - The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers! And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!

/you're welcome


traylor: I_fling_poo: (patiently waiting for a particular Pulp Fiction reference)

Wait no more.

Ezekiel 25:17
'The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides with the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon those with great vengeance and with furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know that my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.'


Thank you. :)
 
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