At least in the United States, if you ARE an American, you are treated equally.

Papers or GTFO

RockyMtnMan: At least in the United States, if you ARE an American, you are treated equally.

We seriously need better jokes when it comes to the French.

RockyMtnMan: At least in the United States, if you ARE an American, you are treated equally.

At the national level. Things may have changed, but I remember my parents having to constantly fight local school boards for equal access to programs.

/former military brat as well
//still consider myself "stateless" in the U.S. sense

So, Orly Taitz is in charge over there?

* reads article *

If I were in Sophie Giraud's position, I'd probably take the UK passport and move over there. No sense living in a country that doesn't respect you, IMHO.

/ not sure if the UK would be much better to live in...

RockyMtnMan: At least in the United States, if you ARE an American, you are treated equally according to your wealth and skin color.

FTFY

How hard can it be to produce body odor and a white flag?

Can't they just tell by the stink?

/they haven't bathed for a month
//but they do have a bidet
//so their arseholes are clean & ready for action!

OompusMacGillicuddy: How hard can it be to produce body odor and a white flag?

(shakes fist)
Beat me by 59 seconds... and with a better joke, too!

Came here for the "white flag" comments... left satisfied.

THANKS OompusMacGillicuddy!!!!

Am I correct that Pat Robertson said that the Haiti earthquake happened because the French surrendered?

haddie
Yeah, because crack dealers deserve special treatment from the cops.

Maybe for once the French are on to something.

To be honest, Europe has always been way more nationalistic and racist than the US.

It's just such feeling are now hidden under a veneer of multi-culturalism.

I suspect this move is aimed at a lot of North Africans.

dustman81: What's happening to the French is going to happen in the US when RealID goes into full swing.

Near future at any DMV
Customer: "I need to renew my license."
DMV: "OK. I need the expiring license, your birth certificate, Social Security card and proof of residency."
Customer: "What?! I've had a license for years."
DMV: "RealID requires your birth certificate, Social Security card and proof of residency. I can't renew your license until you bring these."
Customer: "#@(@@)!"

Later that week
Customer: "OK, I'm here to renew my license...again. Here is my birth certificate, Social Security card and a copy of my electric bill."
DMV: "OK, as soon as we can verify the authenticity of these documents, we can issue your license. It'll be about 2-4 weeks."
Customer: "What am I supposed to drive with?"
DMV: "Here is a temporary license. It is not valid for ID purposes, so you cannot use it to fly or enter federal buildings."
Customer: "But I have a business trip next week!"
DMV: *Shrugs*

As my wife and I recently found out, you can fly w/o any i.d. if you are willing to be manually frisked.

The more you know.

Aarontology: cirtificate de naissance!
où est, Pierre,
où est

Damn. I came here to say exactly that, including the misspelling.

Swampthing in Korea: To be honest, Europe has always been way more nationalistic and racist than the US.

It's just such feeling are now hidden under a veneer of multi-culturalism.

I suspect this move is aimed at a lot of North Africans.

More nationalist, maybe in a narrowly defined sense (maybe tribalist would be a better word).Americans are certainly more patriotic than most Europeans, it's generally just easier to included as a member of the nation.

but racist? Spare me. Sure they didn't like other "races", but for most it was at best a remote issue (for the most part never met one). Unlike in America where race is an obsession and racism (at least when it was more open) was often an immediate, derisive, obsession.

eiger: dustman81: What's happening to the French is going to happen in the US when RealID goes into full swing.

Near future at any DMV
Customer: "I need to renew my license."
DMV: "OK. I need the expiring license, your birth certificate, Social Security card and proof of residency."
Customer: "What?! I've had a license for years."
DMV: "RealID requires your birth certificate, Social Security card and proof of residency. I can't renew your license until you bring these."
Customer: "#@(@@)!"

Later that week
Customer: "OK, I'm here to renew my license...again. Here is my birth certificate, Social Security card and a copy of my electric bill."
DMV: "OK, as soon as we can verify the authenticity of these documents, we can issue your license. It'll be about 2-4 weeks."
Customer: "What am I supposed to drive with?"
DMV: "Here is a temporary license. It is not valid for ID purposes, so you cannot use it to fly or enter federal buildings."
Customer: "But I have a business trip next week!"
DMV: *Shrugs*

As my wife and I recently found out, you can fly w/o any i.d. if you are willing to be manually frisked.

The more you know.

I've flown with just a copy of my birth certificate. I wasn't even frisked, the only questioning I got was, "How old are you?" and I responded with the age corresponding to the birthdate on the certificate.
Of course, I'm white.

eiger: As my wife and I recently found out, you can fly w/o any i.d. if you are willing to be manually frisked.

The more you know.


They frisked both of you because one of you forgot I.D.?

Or did you both forget?


/inquiring minds

meh... they're used to surrendering stuff..

dustman81: What's happening to the French is going to happen in the US when RealID goes into full swing.

Near future at any DMV
Customer: "I need to renew my license."
DMV: "OK. I need the expiring license, your birth certificate, Social Security card and proof of residency."
Customer: "What?! I've had a license for years."
DMV: "RealID requires your birth certificate, Social Security card and proof of residency. I can't renew your license until you bring these."
Customer: "#@(@@)!"

Later that week
Customer: "OK, I'm here to renew my license...again. Here is my birth certificate, Social Security card and a copy of my electric bill."
DMV: "OK, as soon as we can verify the authenticity of these documents, we can issue your license. It'll be about 2-4 weeks."
Customer: "What am I supposed to drive with?"
DMV: "Here is a temporary license. It is not valid for ID purposes, so you cannot use it to fly or enter federal buildings."
Customer: "But I have a business trip next week!"
DMV: *Shrugs*

Pretty much how it went when I got my TX DL. Had to show green card, SS card, insurance and TX registration for my car (which also served as proof of residency), and swear that I've never had a US or Canadian license before.

loonatic112358: OompusMacGillicuddy: How hard can it be to produce body odor and a white flag?

hell anybody can do that
you need something that defines you as french

They also make great whine.

I stand by my original statement.

I, and the majority of Americans, will treat no one differently because of their race, sex, religion, handicap, or sexual preference.

If some ignorant racist beats someone up, then the rest of America tend to come down on them pretty harshly. Look what we did to Don Imus for just saying "Nappy Headed".

I'm a white, born-and-raised Smalltown Midwestern boy, in the middle of the Bible belt, who didn't see a black person until I was 18. And I would never look down on my fellow man.

Times changed. Its taken a long time, and it is going to take even longer for more progress. But have no doubt, America has changed.

Can someone please list the long list of anti-American crap the French have perpetrated upon us? I need to prove a point here at work.

Not a single Obama reference yet? Did the trolls take MLK day off?

PenguinTheRed: Not a single Obama reference yet? Did the trolls take MLK day off?

Nah, you missed it. See the bumper sticker above demanding that Obama produce his papers or GTFO.

Aarontology: An American whose ancestors came over on the Mayflower is just as American as the guy from Malaysia who swore the oath last week.

Almost. The guy from Malaysia can never serve as the President of the United States.

eiger: As my wife and I recently found out, you can fly w/o any i.d. if you are willing to be manually frisked.

The more you know.

Did you have to pay extra for that? Normally there's a surcharge for a good frisking, no?

HelloNeuman: Can someone please list the long list of anti-American crap the French have perpetrated upon us? I need to prove a point here at work.

Well, there was the renaming of French Fries as Freedom fries for a start.

And the boycotting of wines and cheeses.

Oh wait, you said perpetrated upon and not by .

Forbidden Doughnut: Almost. The guy from Malaysia can never serve as the President of the United States.

Fair enough - may be able to run for the Senate, though. And would probably be better than any of the idiots in office now - especially if he could barely speak english and never bathed.

Pinko_Commie: HelloNeuman: Can someone please list the long list of anti-American crap the French have perpetrated upon us? I need to prove a point here at work.

Well, there was the renaming of French Fries as Freedom fries for a start.

And the boycotting of wines and cheeses.

Oh wait, you said perpetrated upon and not by .

================

exactly

Phoenix87ta: Nah, you missed it. See the bumper sticker above demanding that Obama produce his papers or GTFO.

My mistake, I shouldn't have doubted the natural order of the universe based solely on a Ctrl+F.

I guess non-white French citizens should always carry their ID.

HelloNeuman:
Can someone please list the long list of anti-American crap the French have perpetrated upon us? I need to prove a point here at work.

The only thing I can think of is they said that the evidence used to justify the invasion of Iraq like the WMDs and yellow cake incident looked fake. That's about it.

This is not too onerous or strange. I know from experience that Canada requires extra documentation from its foreign-born citizens.

PenguinTheRed: Not a single Obama reference yet? Did the trolls take MLK day off?
Umm...scroll up. Someone did one.

Well, I'm glad my driver's license doesn't expire until 2016. By then, the Mayan calendar will have kicked in and I'll be raptured. So I don't need to worry about RealID.

fotbr: RockyMtnMan: At least in the United States, if you ARE an American, you are treated equally according to your wealth and skin color.

FTFY Again.

dustman81: What's happening to the French is going to happen in the US when RealID goes into full swing.

Near future at any DMV
Customer: "I need to renew my license."
DMV: "OK. I need the expiring license, your birth certificate, Social Security card and proof of residency."
Customer: "What?! I've had a license for years."
DMV: "RealID requires your birth certificate, Social Security card and proof of residency. I can't renew your license until you bring these."
Customer: "#@(@@)!"

Later that week
Customer: "OK, I'm here to renew my license...again. Here is my birth certificate, Social Security card and a copy of my electric bill."
DMV: "OK, as soon as we can verify the authenticity of these documents, we can issue your license. It'll be about 2-4 weeks."
Customer: "What am I supposed to drive with?"
DMV: "Here is a temporary license. It is not valid for ID purposes, so you cannot use it to fly or enter federal buildings."
Customer: "But I have a business trip next week!"
DMV: *Shrugs*

This is happening right now in Florida as of Jan. 1st, exactly like in the article.

Somehow, all of the prior acceptance of my driver's license as my valid Identification, based on the previous production of almost the exact same legal documentation several decades ago, which has never gone unquestioned before now, is somehow no longer valid or trustworthy, despite having been previously validated by this exact same agency and by people who were probably of a higher IQ and educational level to boot.

Now I have to dredge up legal copies of my birth certificate (since the originals are long since deteriorated with time, and could be "fake" by modern standards-- God help you if there was ever a fire or flood in your home town's records office!) and God only knows what else by the time my current license actually expires, so that I can have the "privilege" of being forced to go to only one location downtown, stand in line for f*cking ALL DAY, all just to do something I already did?

It's almost as if we're being slowly acclimated to some new kind of authoritarian regime, where your every move is monitored, questioned, and controlled.

/One degree Fahrenheit an hour people, that's all it takes to "boil" you.

dustman81: What's happening to the French is going to happen in the US when RealID goes into full swing.

Seems that's not going to happen too quickly. 25 states have passed laws or resolutions saying they will not participate in the program.
Hey Congress: ID this, assholes (new window)