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2010-01-17 11:30:58 AM
I hate snowmobiles. But seeing as this guy is 82, I can't really begrudge him getting around on one.

The big fat young guys with the super-loud machines--I grudge them a lot. The ones who call snowmobiling a "sport."
 
2010-01-17 12:54:45 PM
Snowmobilers are the harley riders of the winter.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/1312/
 
2010-01-17 01:04:33 PM
Ooooooooooooo! Buuuuuuuurn!

/former Michigander
 
2010-01-17 01:05:16 PM
Who would have thought that anyone would hate on snowmobiles?
 
2010-01-17 01:08:16 PM
cryinoutloud: I hate snowmobiles. But seeing as this guy is 82, I can't really begrudge him getting around on one.

Also, he gets +1 for this:
"He spends his own money each year to travel to Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore in the Upper Peninsula to help keep snowmobilers off the Grand Sable Dunes."
 
2010-01-17 01:20:00 PM
Nice.
 
2010-01-17 01:22:56 PM
Wow, I have trouble making the four mile trip to the school in the morning.
 
2010-01-17 01:23:38 PM
Snowmobilers are annoying. Whenever I have to drive to the UP in the winter, there's always some dumbass on a snowmobile who decides to cross one of the main highways right in front of me.
 
2010-01-17 01:36:07 PM
That's just silly. There's no open jobs within 3700 miles of Michigan.
 
2010-01-17 01:42:05 PM
If you hate sledding (the appropriate term) then you have never and will never see what I have seen in nature.

For THAT I pity you.

The most beautiful place on earth is sitting on top of a mountian listening to the snow fall arround you without another sound within miles. (just thinking about it actually makes me more at peace)

To the man in the article... ride on my good man ... ride on.
 
2010-01-17 01:43:58 PM
Given the lame-ass manner in which the roads in MI have been maintained this winter, snowmobiles have often been the only safe way to get around lately.
 
2010-01-17 01:50:10 PM
Miithos: If you hate sledding (the appropriate term) then you have never and will never see what I have seen in nature.

For THAT I pity you.

The most beautiful place on earth is sitting on top of a mountian listening to the snow fall arround you without another sound within miles. (just thinking about it actually makes me more at peace)

To the man in the article... ride on my good man ... ride on.


And the least peaceful thing I've seen in nature is having to listen to snowmobiles. Don't act like it's all "peaceful" and "beautiful," you burned a shiat ton of hydrocarbons and disturbed the environment to get to the top of that mountain. If you want to appreciate nature, don't ruin it in the process, and walk your fat ass up there next time.
 
2010-01-17 01:51:38 PM
Snowmobilers are fine - in their place. Tearing up my hay fields their funny little machines are target practice.
 
2010-01-17 02:01:10 PM
Subby: Seeing as how he is from MI, it is probably for a job interview


Maybe he's looking for Roger.
 
2010-01-17 02:05:07 PM
HMS_Blinkin: If you want to appreciate nature, don't ruin it in the process, and walk your fat ass up there next time.

Very much this.
 
2010-01-17 02:22:13 PM
ph0rk: HMS_Blinkin: If you want to appreciate nature, don't ruin it in the process, and walk your fat ass up there next time.

Very much this.


Heh...

so... you are saying that when i drive my sled on 6 ft of snow (and sometimes as much as 20+ ft.) that i am disturbing the wilderness??

umm how?

must be one of those if you hunt you are evil things... heh
 
2010-01-17 02:23:20 PM
Miithos: ph0rk: HMS_Blinkin: If you want to appreciate nature, don't ruin it in the process, and walk your fat ass up there next time.

Very much this.

Heh...

so... you are saying that when i drive my sled on 6 ft of snow (and sometimes as much as 20+ ft.) that i am disturbing the wilderness??

umm how?

must be one of those if you hunt you are evil things... heh


If he says "Yes" he is going on my Favorites list.
 
2010-01-17 02:28:27 PM
Props to this guy. There's nothing wrong with snowmobiling in the right area. Most snowmobilers are the weekend warrior type, like harley riders. Shiny new stuff, taken out and beat to hell and then repaired all week long.

This is the guy on the used equipment, covered in dirt, with everything he needs tied onto his vehicle.
 
2010-01-17 02:47:46 PM
Miithos: If you hate sledding (the appropriate term) then you have never and will never see what I have seen in nature.

For THAT I pity you.

The most beautiful place on earth is sitting on top of a mountian listening to the snow fall arround you without another sound within miles. (just thinking about it actually makes me more at peace)

To the man in the article... ride on my good man ... ride on.


Yeah, nothing like the sound of a very loud and annoying snowmobile engine to make nature feel even better.

BRRAAAAAWBRAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW BRAABRAABRAAAAAAAAAAA

So beautiful.
 
2010-01-17 03:10:44 PM
There is a field that is used for Motocross and ATV riding located about 1/2 a mile from my apartment. I can always hear it, and there is another whole condo community between my place and the dirt track.

I sympathize for anyone who goes to the woods and have it ruined by these tank-tread motorcycles.

I like the idea of the ATV/Snowmobile parks.
Give them somewhere else to go.
 
2010-01-17 03:34:57 PM
Just out of curiosity, when was the last time a motorcycle rider (Harley or otherwise) rode right past any of your "No Trespassing" signs, across your fields, through your winter wheat, destroying thousands of dollars worth of your property and future income in less time than it takes to call the Sheriff?

Yeah, I thought not.

Comparing the two is stupid, they are nothing alike, nor are the people who ride them.
 
2010-01-17 03:36:09 PM
Miithos: ph0rk: HMS_Blinkin: If you want to appreciate nature, don't ruin it in the process, and walk your fat ass up there next time.

Very much this.

Heh...

so... you are saying that when i drive my sled on 6 ft of snow (and sometimes as much as 20+ ft.) that i am disturbing the wilderness??

umm how?

must be one of those if you hunt you are evil things... heh


I can't speak for him, but I think he's talking about this. (new window) Your emissions suck, and it's not just the stuff coming out your tailpipe. Take your snow Harley and go, you're giving hunters a bad name.

i77.photobucket.com
BRAAAAAAABBA ABAB ABABA ABABAB ABABA
 
2010-01-17 03:37:56 PM
I'm an ex-Yooper and have no problems with snowmobilers. They're loud, yes, but if you took snowmobiling out of the UP you'd have approximately zero winter tourism - especially in the Munising area.

I've run sleds myself a couple times, but never owned one. I prefer snowshoeing - and have never had my wilderness experience interrupted by snowmobilers.
 
2010-01-17 03:41:34 PM
ph0rk: HMS_Blinkin: If you want to appreciate nature, don't ruin it in the process, and walk your fat ass up there next time.

Very much this.


Sure, and i will see your ass 4 days later if you have the sense to survive up there.
I do.
 
2010-01-17 03:49:16 PM
Cottage Cheesecake: Just out of curiosity, when was the last time a motorcycle rider (Harley or otherwise) rode right past any of your "No Trespassing" signs, across your fields, through your winter wheat, destroying thousands of dollars worth of your property and future income in less time than it takes to call the Sheriff?

Yeah, I thought not.

Comparing the two is stupid, they are nothing alike, nor are the people who ride them.


I so much agree with you. Had an idiot cut a fence once because he thought my hay field would be a great place to run his sled. I walked out with my slug gun, told him he could drive his sled as fast as I could walk, and no faster, to the edge of the field, where he would repair my fence to my satisfaction or I'd shoot him in the back. He told me I wouldn't dare. When I told him that he didn't know that for sure, he did as told and I've not seen him again.

Apparently, the word went out that the farmers in our area are batshiat crazy when it comes to things like snowmobiles and kids with quads tearing up the fields. We have fewer problems when we nurture that notion.
 
2010-01-17 04:01:45 PM
farm3.static.flickr.com

Barely impressed.
 
2010-01-17 04:05:49 PM
Not sure why, but this headline really cracked me up. +1
 
2010-01-17 04:16:56 PM
HMS_Blinkin: Miithos: If you hate sledding (the appropriate term) then you have never and will never see what I have seen in nature.

For THAT I pity you.

The most beautiful place on earth is sitting on top of a mountian listening to the snow fall arround you without another sound within miles. (just thinking about it actually makes me more at peace)

To the man in the article... ride on my good man ... ride on.

And the least peaceful thing I've seen in nature is having to listen to snowmobiles. Don't act like it's all "peaceful" and "beautiful," you burned a shiat ton of hydrocarbons and disturbed the environment to get to the top of that mountain. If you want to appreciate nature, don't ruin it in the process, and walk your fat ass up there next time.


Oh, wow.
 
2010-01-17 04:18:06 PM
HMS_Blinkin: And the least peaceful thing I've seen in nature is having to listen to snowmobiles. Don't act like it's all "peaceful" and "beautiful," you burned a shiat ton of hydrocarbons and disturbed the environment to get to the top of that mountain. If you want to appreciate nature, don't ruin it in the process, and walk your fat ass up there next time.

New technology in snowmachining has cleaned up the emissions quite a bit. Most of the high-end sleds are now fuel injected. In addtion, Yamaha makes exclusively 4-stroke sleds, which have emmisions equal to your crotch-rocket. Most folks that biatch about emmissions are about 10 years behind the times. Yes there are still many out there that are the good ol' oil burners, but they are slowly disappearing.

Also, most sleds are not that noisy stock. Most peeps replace the can/pipe so they can get a few more ponys under the cowl. These can be very noisy and some folks like it. To each thier own.
 
2010-01-17 04:51:14 PM
Jakevol2: Miithos: ph0rk: HMS_Blinkin: If you want to appreciate nature, don't ruin it in the process, and walk your fat ass up there next time.

Very much this.

Heh...

so... you are saying that when i drive my sled on 6 ft of snow (and sometimes as much as 20+ ft.) that i am disturbing the wilderness??

umm how?

must be one of those if you hunt you are evil things... heh

If he says "Yes" he is going on my Favorites list.


So you hunt and drive a snowmobile? Let me get this straight, your idea of "appreciating nature" is to ride a loud, gas-fueled machine out into the environment and kill animals with guns? Maybe you take a flamethrower to the art museum to help you better "appreciate art." I don't know, whatever floats your boat.

overzealous:
Yes, I was talking about the sort of snowmobiles you linked to. Nasty emissions.

HeadLever:
I appreciate that the technology is improving, as indeed it should. My biggest problem is with the idea that you need to do something to damage nature in order to appreciate nature. I don't claim to drive a hybrid or anything, but if I go out into the woods or to the lakeshore or sand dunes (I live in MI where we have that stuff), I walk around and pick up after myself so as to leave the smallest "footprint" I can, so to speak.
 
2010-01-17 05:04:09 PM
Miithos: If you hate sledding (the appropriate term) then you have never and will never see what I have seen in nature.

For THAT I pity you.

The most beautiful place on earth is sitting on top of a mountian listening to the snow fall arround you without another sound within miles. (just thinking about it actually makes me more at peace)

To the man in the article... ride on my good man ... ride on.


I see it's already been said, but it bears repeating:

And the LEAST peaceful thing is standing at the top of a mountain listening to the HUNDRED farkING SNOWMOBILES making so much godamn racket you couldn't hear the snow fall with the full resources of NASA and the CIA at your disposal.
 
2010-01-17 05:14:32 PM
HMS_Blinkin: I appreciate that the technology is improving, as indeed it should. My biggest problem is with the idea that you need to do something to damage nature in order to appreciate nature. I don't claim to drive a hybrid or anything, but if I go out into the woods or to the lakeshore or sand dunes (I live in MI where we have that stuff), I walk around and pick up after myself so as to leave the smallest "footprint" I can, so to speak.

And I can understand that as well. I love to snowmachine and it is the combination of 'boondocking' and getting excercise and getting into the outdoors that makes it a kick. I understand that there are those that love to be alone and in the quite. They are different but equally important groups. Sledders usually have no problem sharing an area with others. However the reverse is rarely true.

Here in the west (mostly public lands), areas are are divided into areas that are legal for sleds and what is off limits. Of course all wilderness is off-limits, and other areas mostly have travel plans the designate the seperate areas. Those that love to snowmobile can end up enjoying nature just as much as those that don't.

The problem becomes when one group starts telling another group that they are less important or should not be able to have access to area that many enjoy.
 
2010-01-17 05:27:44 PM
Here are a couple of snowmobiling clips that show how fun this can be:

Boost - 4 stroke turbo Yamahas (new window)

some Idaho footage (new window)

/Notice you don't see any brown cloud of smog following the machines where ever they go
 
2010-01-17 05:34:37 PM
Is he going to see his brother?
img188.imageshack.us
Approves - and thinks this is dude is bad-ass
 
2010-01-17 05:39:50 PM
Nentuaby: Miithos: If you hate sledding (the appropriate term) then you have never and will never see what I have seen in nature.

For THAT I pity you.

The most beautiful place on earth is sitting on top of a mountian listening to the snow fall arround you without another sound within miles. (just thinking about it actually makes me more at peace)

To the man in the article... ride on my good man ... ride on.

I see it's already been said, but it bears repeating:

And the LEAST peaceful thing is standing at the top of a mountain listening to the HUNDRED farkING SNOWMOBILES making so much godamn racket you couldn't hear the snow fall with the full resources of NASA and the CIA at your disposal.




And repeated AGAIN.

Making the statement that you enjoy nature by running an insanely loud and obnoxious fuel/air combustion machine across the silence of falling snow is beyond stupid.
 
2010-01-17 05:45:07 PM
jmr61: Making the statement that you enjoy nature by running an insanely loud and obnoxious fuel/air combustion machine across the silence of falling snow is beyond stupid.

Again, folks like you are exaggerating the reality to make a point. Most sleds are not as bad as you try to make them out to be. In addition, riding a machine arond in the snow during winter time does not exclude one from enjoying nature. I would argue that those that are currently out there sledding are, in fact, enjoying nature much more than you or me.

/wishes I was out there enjoying nature.
 
2010-01-17 05:46:38 PM
Where is he planning on applying? There are no companies hiring in Michigan!

/obvious
 
2010-01-17 05:58:37 PM
HeadLever: jmr61: Making the statement that you enjoy nature by running an insanely loud and obnoxious fuel/air combustion machine across the silence of falling snow is beyond stupid.

Again, folks like you are exaggerating the reality to make a point. Most sleds are not as bad as you try to make them out to be. In addition, riding a machine arond in the snow during winter time does not exclude one from enjoying nature. I would argue that those that are currently out there sledding are, in fact, enjoying nature much more than you or me.

/wishes I was out there enjoying nature.


Agreed. Nature has many facets to enjoy aside from silence. Also, with a good snowpack, environmental impact is minimal. I get a kick out of the hippies that drive their early '80s, smoke spewing Suburu wagons to trailheads and then complain about the snowmobile emissions. Personally, I don't enjoy sledding much. I generally use a snowmobile to get to some backcountry snowboarding spots. Nothing beats fresh powder all to myself.
 
2010-01-17 06:01:55 PM
HeadLever: And I can understand that as well. I love to snowmachine and it is the combination of 'boondocking' and getting excercise and getting into the outdoors that makes it a kick. I understand that there are those that love to be alone and in the quite. They are different but equally important groups. Sledders usually have no problem sharing an area with others. However the reverse is rarely true.

Here in the west (mostly public lands), areas are are divided into areas that are legal for sleds and what is off limits. Of course all wilderness is off-limits, and other areas mostly have travel plans the designate the seperate areas. Those that love to snowmobile can end up enjoying nature just as much as those that don't.

The problem becomes when one group starts telling another group that they are less important or should not be able to have access to area that many enjoy.


Largely because sledding is louder than walking.

I agree that groups shouldn't go around telling each other they are less important. However, you have to understand how one group can drive another group off simply by being present. Hikers (generally) like silence, and the presence of snowmobiles will make them feel like they need to hike somewhere quieter. That's just as unfair as making laws against sledding in a particular area.

Also, I watched the two videos you posted. I agree, it looks fun and probably is. But the sounds of the machines are dubbed over, and THAT is 90% of my problem with snow machines.
 
2010-01-17 06:19:52 PM
Mr. Richard Cranium: Agreed. Nature has many facets to enjoy aside from silence. Also, with a good snowpack, environmental impact is minimal. I get a kick out of the hippies that drive their early '80s, smoke spewing Suburu wagons to trailheads and then complain about the snowmobile emissions. Personally, I don't enjoy sledding much. I generally use a snowmobile to get to some backcountry snowboarding spots. Nothing beats fresh powder all to myself.

exactly right. I love the look on the staunch skiier/sledder when you see somone hop on their snowmachine with a snowboard or skiis on thier back.
 
2010-01-17 06:37:48 PM
HeadLever:
exactly right. I love the look on the staunch skiier/sledder when you see somone hop on their snowmachine with a snowboard or skiis on thier back.


Uh huh. but most of those guys look like this:

www.senate.michigan.gov
and you know it.
 
2010-01-17 06:38:58 PM
HMS_Blinkin: Largely because sledding is louder than walking.

I agree that groups shouldn't go around telling each other they are less important. However, you have to understand how one group can drive another group off simply by being present. Hikers (generally) like silence, and the presence of snowmobiles will make them feel like they need to hike somewhere quieter. That's just as unfair as making laws against sledding in a particular area.


That is very good synopsis of the issue. That is why most public land travel maps limit snowmachines. The problem becomes when so many of the areas are limited that the other popular areas become saturated with folks looking to get out. The areas off-limits continue to grow every year, and once locked up, they never revert back.

Also, I watched the two videos you posted. I agree, it looks fun and probably is. But the sounds of the machines are dubbed over, and THAT is 90% of my problem with snow machines.


Here is one that give you an idea of what a stock sled sounds like. (new window)

For most sleds it is not a problem, however, it is true that some folks will put loud pipes/cans on just to be obnoxious. sadly, those are the ones that get notices by everyone.
 
2010-01-17 06:44:54 PM
cryinoutloud: Uh huh. but most of those guys look like this:
and you know it.


Huh? They look like they are dressed appropriatly for winter conditions. Good for them. It does not disprove that snowmobiliers cannot enjoy nature. And since a snowmobile makes it easy to access backcountry, snoboarders and skiiers are very likely to use them for transportation.
 
2010-01-17 07:20:46 PM
The names seem highly regionalized. Snowmobiles? Sleds? Snow machines?

I grew up in Michigan, home of the "Snowmobile Association" which gave this guy an award.

"Sled" and "snow machine" sound wrong to me. Really wrong. Not saying those terms are wrong, I just find it interesting.
 
2010-01-17 07:53:35 PM
100 Watt Walrus: Is he going to see his brother?

Approves - and thinks this is dude is bad-ass


for a week after I first watched this movie I felt the need to dole out sage advise like he did to everyone I met. of course he is wise and old, I am middle aged and not wise.
 
2010-01-17 07:58:30 PM
Beer run!
 
2010-01-17 10:38:08 PM
I think people are forgetting that snowmobiles are the only way to get around in some areas. Try spending the winter up in the UP without one. When the lake freezes over you can ride right over to Mackinac Island, it's nice.
 
2010-01-18 12:39:03 AM
Miithos: umm how?

Don't feed the trolls! Sheesh. The idiot thinks sleds are wasteful and horrific pollution producing machines... There are probably fewer emissions from a sled than there are from his ass and they're most certainly quieter than they were when they spout their idiocy vocally.

Don't suppose you know what kind of sled he was riding?
 
2010-01-18 01:17:56 AM
"82-year-old snowmobiler prepares for 3700 mile trip. Seeing as how he is from MI, it is probably for a job interview"

But it's only 2500 miles from Michigan to Mexico?
 
2010-01-18 02:54:46 AM
NephilimNexus: "82-year-old snowmobiler prepares for 3700 mile trip. Seeing as how he is from MI, it is probably for a job interview"

But it's only 2500 miles from Michigan to Mexico?


Its a sled... not a plane!

Sheesh!


And just for the facts... BRP (AKA Ski-Doo) makes a EPA = 0 sled.
and it has lower emissions than your car.
New sleds are not as bad on the envirionment as older modles.

And to those of you who cant figure out.. that when you are listening to the snow fall... you shut your sled off. and usually there not more than a few people in the same area (at least in Canada) and even then you all hang out together so you all take breaks together :)


Nature is meant to be enjoyed, so... get out of your lard assed, City dwelling, greenpeace loving, holier-than-thou, my-crap-dont-stink, i know better than the people who use and love nature, and have some FUN.

Go Fishing, Hunting, Hiking, Biking (on trails please), Sledding, Flying, or whatever, but get out and ENJOY NATURE!

not just *THINK* you know what is going on out here.
 
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