If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Some Nanny State)   Manitoba government tells teachers they can no longer penalize students for turning work in late. Good thing there are no such things as deadlines in the real world   (leaderpost.com) divider line 115
    More: Dumbass  
•       •       •

5941 clicks; posted to Main » on 17 Jan 2010 at 12:52 AM (4 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



115 Comments   (+0 »)
   

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all
 
2010-01-17 12:23:28 AM  
All goes towards by theory that Canadians are assholes.
 
2010-01-17 12:54:41 AM  
Strangly, I don't have a problem with this.
 
2010-01-17 12:56:14 AM  
Man, I learned that the hard way when i forgot to pay tuiton on time and all my classes dropped. Luckly I was able to get them all filled in, but my nice 10am-1 schedule every day turned into Monday 10am-9 pm, and Wednesday 10am-9pm. Don't got class on Tue,thur,Fri though.

/rambling story bro?
 
2010-01-17 12:56:35 AM  
If grades are (allegedly) a measure of learning, and they learn the same regardless of when they do the assignment, I don't see the problem.
 
2010-01-17 12:56:38 AM  
This is just encouraging them to be on those "one" people's time.
 
2010-01-17 12:57:09 AM  
Then what keeps making that whooshing sound subby?
 
2010-01-17 12:58:17 AM  
Shouldn't it be "Nanny Province"?
 
2010-01-17 12:59:26 AM  
King Something: Shouldn't it be "Nanny Province"?

Came in here to say this.
 
2010-01-17 01:00:31 AM  
some douche nozzle is going to see this and then try to get it applied all over the place down here in the USA.

While they are at it, lets not charge late fees for video rentals, credit card bills, or anything like that.

Let's just put "0% financing on every damn thing in the world". I feel sorry for the kids in a way, the ones getting screwed are them and them alone, of course it will take them 10 years to realize how sorry of a human being they are b/c they never pay their rent/bills on time.
 
2010-01-17 01:04:12 AM  
There are similar tactics all over the place in Ontario. My wife is a teacher and the extent to which she can punish kids for any kind of infraction is almost nil.
 
2010-01-17 01:05:45 AM  
John Dewey: If grades are (allegedly) a measure of learning, and they learn the same regardless of when they do the assignment, I don't see the problem.

The first quarter of this year, I made the mistake of bending over backwards in accepting late work. As a result, I was grading until 3AM the morning report card grades were due. Because of this, I was a completely ineffective teacher for the rest of the week, and eventually a sub came in, causing them to learn even less.

If you want me to teach your kids, have them turn in work on time.
 
2010-01-17 01:06:52 AM  
How about this: stop being assholes about a day here or there for a farking history assignment.
 
2010-01-17 01:11:22 AM  
parliboy: As a result, I was grading until 3AM the morning report card grades were due.

Been there, done that. I've worked it out where if they don't hand it in past a certain point and it will impact their letter grade they take an I (incomplete) until I can get it graded and averaged in.

Or, I've worked it out with them where they accept the grade they got without the assignment, and I count it as an extra assignment for the next quarter. Not extra credit, mind you, but an extra 40/40 or whatever.

It's student dependent and class dependent and even school dependent as to how I handle it. Some classes, we've developed a class-wide plan that everyone follows. Other classses are fine with me negotiating with each of them. Other classes are fine with students being given a couple of options and them choosing the one that works best for them.

In my experience, taking points off for late work has discouraged students from turning it in at all.
 
2010-01-17 01:12:50 AM  
the teachers should just be late turning in students final marks. only by 2-3 months.

I mean, that won't affect anything will it? It's not like these kids are planning on graduating or anything, right?
 
2010-01-17 01:13:06 AM  
As the son of a teacher, I am slowly seeing education all over the world go downhill.

No Child Left Behind...in one word SUCKS.

In college, I have seen students get multiple deadlines because of learning disabilites and or mental health issues. Granted, I TOTALLY understand if you have a proven medical issue, or mental health issue...but even that won't get you an extension in the real world.

The education system in the US, and now Canada is doing a HUGE disservice to the future generations.

Now, let me leave you with this staggering fact. From a 2007 issue of Penn State's "The Daily Collegian" According to a recent study, 50 percent of college-aged Americans can't locate New York State on a map of the USA.

/Have a BS in geography
//That stat DISGUSTS me.
///For anyone who wants to read the article (new window)
 
2010-01-17 01:13:07 AM  
birdboy2000: Strangly, I don't have a problem with this.

Is it because you can't spell?
 
2010-01-17 01:14:13 AM  
accelerus: While they are at it, lets not charge late fees for video rentals, credit card bills, or anything like that.

Yeah, because clearly a video rental company that let people keep a DVD as long as they wanted with no late fee would be a huge failure.
 
2010-01-17 01:15:07 AM  
'Bjornson said that if a teacher deducts 10 or 20 per cent because a student turns work in late, then that mark is not "an accurate indicator of what the student has learned or achieved."'

Bjornson added that "his lifelong welfare stipend will turn out to be a much more accurate indicator."
 
2010-01-17 01:16:01 AM  
You know, in some cases, sending the work in time saves lives.
 
2010-01-17 01:17:11 AM  
What if teachers just don't grade late papers until after the grades are due?
 
2010-01-17 01:17:42 AM  
fta: Bjornson told Pedersen that provincial marking guidelines and a desire for uniform approaches to marking dictate that ". . . marks should reflect the student's achievement and should not be distorted as a result of work habits, attitudes or behaviours.


Part of the achievement is turning it in on time!
 
2010-01-17 01:17:49 AM  
I went K through 4 to a lab school on a college campus that had had no set deadlines. In fifth grade I transferred to a normal elementary school. It was like being hit with a ton of bricks. These kids are screwed.

/not helped that I went from the hippie school to the rich kids school
 
2010-01-17 01:17:59 AM  
More or less agree with the posts thus far. Being a math teacher, how they do on tests actually is more of an indicator than anything else. So tests count for a lot...and they can pass the class quite easily if they ace them and screw homework altogether.

Although the homework is done on a spot check basis. If they have it, great, they get the points. If they don't, I don't give them the points if they realize they are about to fail and want to turn it in. Sorry, it's a small part of your grade anyways. You did good on your tests, right? RIGHT?
 
2010-01-17 01:18:07 AM  
Simple solution. Teacher just says, "You will no longer be penalized for late work. I will simply not accept late work. No exceptions."
 
2010-01-17 01:18:12 AM  
I have had the displeasure of knowing a girl from manitoba.....She turned out to be a complete piece of shiate.
 
2010-01-17 01:20:02 AM  
If I turn in my "assignments" late to my boss, I not only don't get a grade, I probably lose my job.

"The budget projection was supposed to be in today. You don't have it? But the client is here now. Oh well, then I don't see the point in you coming in tomorrow."
 
2010-01-17 01:22:41 AM  
Sounds good to me. Think the gov't will mind if I apply that attitude towards my tax bill?
 
2010-01-17 01:22:54 AM  
i em in graid twellve but nead tu kompleet the finger paneting pikturz i stareted in kindurgardon
 
2010-01-17 01:23:10 AM  
 
2010-01-17 01:24:41 AM  
repret.
 
2010-01-17 01:25:42 AM  
There are deadlines in the real world. That's just how it is. School should be teaching kids life lessons and not just bookwork, but it fails miserably at that. Docking late marks is an attempt to teach them that there are consequences if you can't meet deadlines. Missed the bus? Oh, it'll back up down the road for you. Forgot to pay your mortgage this month? No big deal. You can pay for it whenever you want. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. I don't agree with teachers not accepting late work at all, btw. Docking late marks or giving students so many free late days per term are fine. Sometimes shiat happens. But teaching kids to do it whenever the fark they want is bullshat. They need to learn some bloody responsibility.

/Manitoban
//fail tag would have been appropriate here
 
CMP
2010-01-17 01:26:29 AM  
Girion47: This is just encouraging them to be on those "one" people's time.

I see what you did there.

Meanwhile, the Jerk of the Week is ...Link (new window)
 
2010-01-17 01:28:24 AM  
Airfoilsguy: School Answering Machine (new window)

Absolutely priceless. Loved the part about another language.
 
2010-01-17 01:28:41 AM  
See, 30 year later, I got straight A+'s.
Cuz everything is still late, and ya can't bug me fors it.
 
2010-01-17 01:30:29 AM  
mrtimo: If I turn in my "assignments" late to my boss, I not only don't get a grade, I probably lose my job.

"The budget projection was supposed to be in today. You don't have it? But the client is here now. Oh well, then I don't see the point in you coming in tomorrow."


THIS

As the saying goes: School prepares you for the real world, which also sucks.

Honestly, just turning in an assignment on time teaches a kid just as much as doing the actual assignment, IMO.
 
2010-01-17 01:30:45 AM  
These poor kids are due for such a rude shock when they hit, not college, but any type of graduate school. College is nothing more than an extended high school nowadays, but grad school...

The panic and all-nighters some of the younger students at my law school seem to have when their memos and briefs are due is nothing more than these same high school kids who never learned time management skills and how to get shiat turned in on time. Not so much students in my classes (mostly people who are full-time professionals already & have to do the all-night thing after working 40+ hrs a week & then doing school); but the kids who've come out of college straight into law school.

Law professors expect assignments in on time, and the only excuses are sudden crippling illness or death (yours). Med school and MBA programs are the same. I don't see why people think we're doing students any favors by not requiring them to learn this stuff now, instead of later when habits are harder to acquire.
 
2010-01-17 01:31:36 AM  
Con Fabulous: accelerus: While they are at it, lets not charge late fees for video rentals, credit card bills, or anything like that.

Yeah, because clearly a video rental company that let people keep a DVD as long as they wanted with no late fee would be a huge failure.


The object flying over your head a few minutes ago was "the point". I'm almost 30 years old, i grew up renting VHSs and if you didn't rewind or turn them in on time you paid the extra dollar. And the only person you could complain to is yourself.

Think of this in terms of a social contract - you are requires by law to go to public school... do your homework, take tests etc. If you take away all consequences this will eventually lead to MAJOR problems in any society. It may seem like little johhny not turning in his fraction report isn't a big deal.... fast forward 15 years on the job where time=money if you have a few million johnny's running around slacking off who the hell is going to want to do any sort of business in your country?


Remember what happened on the simpsons when the whole town adopted the "i don't feel like doing that" thinking? Everything feel apart.

Congrats Manitoba govt. for giving us phase 1.
 
2010-01-17 01:31:54 AM  
Airfoilsguy: School Answering Machine (new window)

This is why Fark needs and AWESOME tag.

/Nice find.
 
2010-01-17 01:32:34 AM  
Seems reasonable to me. The importance of deadlines has been declining for years. I used to work for a company with a very tight production schedule. The first five years I worked there, we averaged 1 missed deadline per year with thousands of individual projects per year. And the "missed deadline" projects usually went out the next morning. Over the course of the next few years, that that went to hell. It got to the point where it was downright shocking if we had every project due on a particular day out the door by 5. At some times, as many as 15% of our projects were late. An not just "next morning" late. More like "next week" late.

And that seemed to be good enough because every other local company in the industry had gotten just as bad. Worse, actually. We were still the best in 200 miles. :(
 
2010-01-17 01:32:40 AM  
geom_00: As the son of a teacher, I am slowly seeing education all over the world go downhill.

No Child Left Behind...in one word SUCKS.

In college, I have seen students get multiple deadlines because of learning disabilites and or mental health issues. Granted, I TOTALLY understand if you have a proven medical issue, or mental health issue...but even that won't get you an extension in the real world.

The education system in the US, and now Canada is doing a HUGE disservice to the future generations.

Now, let me leave you with this staggering fact. From a 2007 issue of Penn State's "The Daily Collegian" According to a recent study, 50 percent of college-aged Americans can't locate New York State on a map of the USA.

/Have a BS in geography
//That stat DISGUSTS me.
///For anyone who wants to read the article (new window)


Thank you for giving me another reason to pray for an early death.
 
2010-01-17 01:32:49 AM  
John Dewey: If grades are (allegedly) a measure of learning, and they learn the same regardless of when they do the assignment, I don't see the problem.

I don't know maybe accountability?
 
2010-01-17 01:34:03 AM  
RedLeg1525: I don't know maybe accountability?

Then have a separate measure for accountability.
 
2010-01-17 01:34:43 AM  
LibertyHiller: Thank you for giving me another reason to pray for an early death

I'm almost afriad to ask...which part makes you want to pray? Is there a mistake in grammer, or the link?
 
2010-01-17 01:37:49 AM  
Well, that's convenient. Rather than copying from students before they hand their work in, we can wait for it to get marked and make sure to copy the correct answers.

Personally a fan of: I put the assignments in a pile and start marking at the top. When I get to the bottom I stop marking. If you hand it in after I stop, you get zero.
 
2010-01-17 01:37:58 AM  
John Dewey: RedLeg1525: I don't know maybe accountability?

Then have a separate measure for accountability.


So when upon graduating a student there should be a notation that while this student is technically proficient they are unreliable in a pressure filled deadline world?
 
2010-01-17 01:38:58 AM  
Minsky: we can wait for it to get marked and make sure to copy the correct answers.

Or we can give assignments that aren't simply about regurgitating facts.
 
2010-01-17 01:39:57 AM  
RedLeg1525: So when upon graduating a student there should be a notation that while this student is technically proficient they are unreliable in a pressure filled deadline world

Why not? Perhaps they would be better suited to a profession that doesn't rely on deadlines. There are such things.
 
2010-01-17 01:41:57 AM  
No deadlines? Clearly they've never had to deal with a customer who was pissed because the company couldn't ship out their order on time.

/hate my job sometimes
 
2010-01-17 01:44:08 AM  
John Dewey: Minsky: we can wait for it to get marked and make sure to copy the correct answers.

Or we can give assignments that aren't simply about regurgitating facts.


You obviously don't know the same primary and secondary teachers that I do...
 
2010-01-17 01:44:39 AM  
geom_00: LibertyHiller: Thank you for giving me another reason to pray for an early death

I'm almost afriad to ask...which part makes you want to pray? Is there a mistake in grammer, or the link?


The stat itself did the job; you were doing fine until you tried to spell "grammar." Now I have two reasons.
 
Displayed 50 of 115 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report