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(Korea Times)   South Korean math teacher becomes legendary for profanely berating at-risk students, whacking them with shovels, and eliciting high grades. "If it were in the U.S., he would be probably in jail for doing so. But yeah, it's Korea"   (koreatimes.co.kr) divider line 63
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2010-01-16 02:34:28 PM
Koreans are good at math?
 
2010-01-16 03:51:23 PM
"South Korean..."
Holy shiat, there's TWO of them?
 
2010-01-16 03:52:34 PM
They make the Killed In Action automobile too.
 
2010-01-16 03:53:42 PM
"They don't like anyone who isn't Korean, and they don't like each other all that much, either. They're hardheaded, hard-drinking, tough little bastards, "the Irish of Asia"." - P.J. O'Rourke
 
2010-01-16 03:54:35 PM
"Students are not a memorizing machine. You should guide them to help find a life goal by meeting them on their terms," he said. "Creating a common ground of understanding between you and students is critical."

Sounds like American teachers have a thing or two to learn from this guy.
 
2010-01-16 03:54:44 PM
The secret of his approach lies in his three-step formula of "first apply sticks, then carrots, and show a vision."

Better than the Western one-step: Have sex with student.
 
2010-01-16 03:55:10 PM
zepplinrules: "South Korean..."
Holy shiat, there's TWO of them?


Next thing you know, Germany will be bombing Pearl Harbor.

/Don't stop him now, he's on a roll.
 
2010-01-16 03:56:37 PM
Rohasman: zepplinrules: "South Korean..."
Holy shiat, there's TWO of them?

Next thing you know, Germany will be bombing Pearl Harbor.

/Don't stop him now, he's on a roll.

Again!?
 
2010-01-16 03:57:30 PM
In the U.S. one of his students would have killed him already.
 
2010-01-16 03:57:55 PM
American students could use a good beating from what I've seen lately.
 
2010-01-16 04:01:45 PM
Devoid: American studentsDevoid could use a good beating from what I've seen lately.

FTFY
 
2010-01-16 04:02:25 PM
Once American's get tired of those who exercise their 'freedom' to be an American ass leach, learn nothing, attain no skills and expect welfare to pay for them; beating students will be a-okay again.
 
2010-01-16 04:02:58 PM
Devoid: American students could use a good beating from what I've seen lately.

Or at least a good spanking. Yes, give them all a good spanking. And then...the oral sex.
 
2010-01-16 04:03:51 PM
Devoid: American students could use a good beating from what I've seen lately.

haha, i was just thinking that!
 
2010-01-16 04:04:05 PM
I'm thinking it is a half assed beating and he is really like that cool teacher everyone had in high school.
 
2010-01-16 04:05:20 PM
Why does this remind me of GTO?

The_Sponge: "They don't like anyone who isn't Korean, and they don't like each other all that much, either. They're hardheaded, hard-drinking, tough little bastards, "the Irish of Asia"." - P.J. O'Rourke

Wow, that sounds like a bunch of my dad's friends.

/mandatory military service does that to you
 
2010-01-16 04:06:41 PM
Reminds me of an English teacher I had in ninth grade. Meanest old sonuvagun I ever had for a teacher: given to random shouting, rolling over sleeping students' toes in his wheelchair, forbidding students from using the word so, calling people out for some of the craziest stuff, and yes, even shouting the occasional profanity. But I'll be damned if he didn't teach me writing better than any of the other teachers I ever had.

Rest in peace, old man. You are not forgotten.
 
2010-01-16 04:07:44 PM
Wait, so in Korea, only old people teach math?
 
2010-01-16 04:08:37 PM
Sounds like my grandfather.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2010-01-16 04:08:51 PM
Devoid: American students could use a good beating from what I've seen lately.

I know 2nd graders that cannot read or do basic math skills.

I blame the parents. They really don't care. They don't realize that they need to sit down for an hour a day and do homework with their kids. And teachers are handcuffed by standardized tests. They have to cover everything that will be on the STs or else everyone gets behind.

Hell my parents were high school dropouts (if that) in Iraq, yet they still helped me the best they could when I was growing up. If they didn't know anything, they would ask my brother and sister to help.
 
2010-01-16 04:09:08 PM
I visited my ex-boyfriend's class while he was teaching English in Seoul. I must say, their system kicks the shiat out of ours.
 
2010-01-16 04:10:06 PM
zepplinrules: "South Korean..."
Holy shiat, there's TWO of them?


Four actually.
 
2010-01-16 04:13:02 PM
Mugato: Koreans are good at math?

They will be soon.
 
2010-01-16 04:14:56 PM
snake_beater: Why does this remind me of GTO?

The_Sponge: "They don't like anyone who isn't Korean, and they don't like each other all that much, either. They're hardheaded, hard-drinking, tough little bastards, "the Irish of Asia"." - P.J. O'Rourke

Wow, that sounds like a bunch of my dad's friends.

/mandatory military service does that to you



I had a Korean roommate back in college, and even though I outweighed him by at least 80 pounds, he could keep up with me when it came to drinking.
 
2010-01-16 04:15:50 PM
BiggusDickus: In the U.S. one of his students would have killed him already.

sadly...THIS.

I feel American schools should be separated into 3 distinct types:

1.) Academic/ College prep.

2.) Vocational/Trade : Ideally with apprenticeships.

3.) Remedial or Disciplinary: for the 5% that make life difficult for the rest of us..

/ I would have chosen to have gone to #2, if I had the opportunity...
// My 5% figure may be low...
 
2010-01-16 04:17:02 PM
This includes intentionally cursing them and an exaggerated gesture of beating them with a shovel.

Doesn't sound like he actually hits them with a shovel.
 
2010-01-16 04:18:51 PM
Forbidden Doughnut: BiggusDickus: In the U.S. one of his students would have killed him already.

sadly...THIS.

I feel American schools should be separated into 3 distinct types:

1.) Academic/ College prep.

2.) Vocational/Trade : Ideally with apprenticeships.

3.) Remedial or Disciplinary: for the 5% that make life difficult for the rest of us..

/ I would have chosen to have gone to #2, if I had the opportunity...
// My 5% figure may be low...


Except for the disciplinary path, this is more or less what they do in Germany (new window)
 
2010-01-16 04:21:26 PM
Meh. I went to Catholic school, and we had French-Canadian nuns. This guy would be a relief.
 
2010-01-16 04:23:22 PM
MBK: I know 2nd graders that cannot read or do basic math skills.

I've known community college students who are barely literate.

My fiancee is a high school math teacher, and there are high school students who don't understand how to work with fractions. She'll assign homework that relates to fractions (after spending some time teaching it in class), and they'll just punch everything into their calculator and give decimal answers. Naturally, they don't get credit for the assignment, as they didn't do the work required.

She also doesn't take crap from students -- if the homework is late (unless there's a legit excuse, like a medical reason), one doesn't get credit. Period. Same thing with exams. Some of these students even have the guts to say "Hey, I didn't do well on this last exam. Can I take it over again?". Obviously, the answer is "no".

I blame the parents. They really don't care. They don't realize that they need to sit down for an hour a day and do homework with their kids. And teachers are handcuffed by standardized tests. They have to cover everything that will be on the STs or else everyone gets behind.

This.

The state of education in this country is awful. While I understand that the majority of people don't go on to college, they should at least have a solid, high school level understanding of language, history, math, science, etc. However, most of the parents are slackers and so their kids are slackers. Sad, really.

/fiancee teaches math, I'm applying to grad schools for a Ph.D. in astrophysics, and will be finishing my B.S. in physics at the end of this semester (I'm a few years behind most peers as I spent a couple years in the army)
//our future kids will have no problems with parental help when it comes to math or science
 
2010-01-16 04:31:55 PM
heypete: She'll assign homework that relates to fractions (after spending some time teaching it in class), and they'll just punch everything into their calculator and give decimal answers.

Not that I doubt you ( I don't), but why in the FARK is that even allowed? When I was in Jr. High School back in the early 1980's, the calculator wasn't even allowed in the classroom. We had to work fractions & long division with pencil & paper. Tests were not passed unless you showed your work...

/ my lawn...
 
2010-01-16 04:34:24 PM
What the teaching staff might look like.
www.dvdactive.com
/Hot like a volcano
 
2010-01-16 04:34:47 PM
good for the south korean teacher...

100 dollars says because of this crazy old man they know their math up and down.

I'd be willing to go as far as saying that if it was allowed over here, we would have better students that actually feared their teacher. Probably less psycho ass kids that shoot up schools as well.

The definition of an "at risk" student is one who grew up never getting yelled at or put in their place when they screwed up. Being nice to them, pampering them and telling them its all going to be okay is fine if you want them to be worthless sacks of crap all their life.
 
2010-01-16 04:35:16 PM
Please Korea, shovels to the head are not indicative to learning math. And you probably shouldn't be riding that motorcycle with that shovel up front...

NSFW dead guy
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/83/viraldeathcomshovel1926.jpg

/its viral!
 
2010-01-16 04:37:29 PM
Why is that if someone succeeds while being an asshole to kids, people assume its because he was being an asshole?

Its like you believe he just yelled at them until they could do math.
 
2010-01-16 04:37:44 PM
Devoid: American students could use a good beating from what I've seen lately.

THIS!!!!!! but in the U.S, helicopter parents and their sheltered spoil self-entitiled snowflakes will have this teacher in the slammer faster than one can say snowflake!

/ I hate the word snowflake! but it is appropriate in this case
 
2010-01-16 04:39:16 PM
accelerus: good for the south korean teacher...

100 dollars says because of this crazy old man they know their math up and down.

I'd be willing to go as far as saying that if it was allowed over here, we would have better students that actually feared their teacher. Probably less psycho ass kids that shoot up schools as well.

The definition of an "at risk" student is one who grew up never getting yelled at or put in their place when they screwed up. Being nice to them, pampering them and telling them its all going to be okay is fine if you want them to be worthless sacks of crap all their life.


Problem with this nonsense is that there a substantial body of research to show it is 100% wrong.

Nice try though. I'm sure it makes you feel better about your abusive childhood.
 
2010-01-16 04:42:41 PM
Forbidden Doughnut: Not that I doubt you ( I don't), but why in the FARK is that even allowed? When I was in Jr. High School back in the early 1980's, the calculator wasn't even allowed in the classroom. We had to work fractions & long division with pencil & paper. Tests were not passed unless you showed your work...

It's not allowed, which is why they get no credit for such "work". Calculators are also forbidden in the classroom.

She's also a stickler about showing work, and will take major points off for not showing it.

My university professors are the same way -- if you show your work but somehow end up with a numerical result that's incorrect (e.g. misplacing a constant, adding when you should have subtracted, etc. Such things are not uncommon with multi-page calculations done by hand.), you get essentially full credit. By showing the work, you've demonstrated knowledge of the subject, even if you make a tiny error here or there.
 
2010-01-16 04:52:16 PM
The teachers I respected the most in High School were the strict ones, the ones where you knew the rules of the classroom, and they stuck by them.

The ones who were willing to compromise, if you could prove it was useful, and were willing to use their mistakes as teaching moments were nice, too... but the ones I respected were the ones where you knew where the line was.

This does not include the ones who had unreasonable expectations, and punished you for not reaching them... which were about half of my teachers, sadly.
 
2010-01-16 04:54:57 PM
Came here for pics of hot Korean teachers. Disappointed. Will try to get it started:

www.koreanmovie.com

/hot and hawt.
 
2010-01-16 04:56:18 PM
Ximoxion: Once American's get tired of those who exercise their 'freedom' to be an American ass leach, learn nothing, attain no skills and expect welfare to pay for them; beating students will be a-okay again.

Americans might consider learning how to form the plural first

.
 
2010-01-16 05:02:13 PM
Ximoxion: Once American's Americans get tired of those who exercise their 'freedom' to be an American ass leach leech, learn nothing, attain no skills and expect welfare to pay for them; beating students will be a-okay again.

FTFY

Did the regular beatings help you with your grammar and spelling?
 
2010-01-16 05:03:31 PM
like the fisting of an angry god: Did the regular beatings help you with your grammar and spelling?

ROFL.
 
2010-01-16 05:04:25 PM
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: Ximoxion: Once American's get tired of those who exercise their 'freedom' to be an American ass leach, learn nothing, attain no skills and expect welfare to pay for them; beating students will be a-okay again.

Americans might consider learning how to form the plural first

.


I usually don't lol at grammar jokes, but if you put a comma after "get", I think his apostrophe works.... you do have to assume that it's an acronym for something tho :)

This will probably be the last time I comment on a grammar post tho, as I spent more time fixing my own than completing the thought.
 
2010-01-16 05:05:24 PM
If he were in the US, he'd be in academia.


/Did my post-graduate work in the lab of a South Korean
//Was the first American to work in that lab
///Only female, too
////Profane berating and insulting a regular part of the advisor/grad student relationship there
//Dr. Antonitoporter now (though ultimately not from his lab)
 
2010-01-16 05:11:58 PM
antonitoporter: If he were in the US, he'd be in academia.


/Did my post-graduate work in the lab of a South Korean
//Was the first American to work in that lab
///Only female, too
////Profane berating and insulting a regular part of the advisor/grad student relationship there
//Dr. Antonitoporter now (though ultimately not from his lab)


PhD pics or it didn't happen.
 
2010-01-16 05:32:16 PM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: This includes intentionally cursing them and an exaggerated gesture of beating them with a shovel.

Doesn't sound like he actually hits them with a shovel.


I agree.

It reminds me of something I used to do when I was playing around with my boyfriend's kids. I'd pick up a soft, fluffy pillow and yell "Child abuse!" Then I'd pretend to hit them, swinging it in slow motion and making movie sound effects noises. They loved it, they'd do these slow motion exaggerated reactions, and we'd all laughs our butts off. It helped us bond.

Sounds like this guy does the same thing - the kids laugh, bond with the teacher, and therefore try harder.
 
2010-01-16 05:39:10 PM
The students defend him and their grades improve.

/thread
 
2010-01-16 05:54:12 PM
thesuperficial.com

Wait, you there's two Koreas?!?
 
2010-01-16 05:58:07 PM
Remember it's "At hope", not "At risk" now.
 
2010-01-16 06:05:48 PM
The next time you take off on a rant about North Korea, the first thing to remember is:

"It's Korea."

The first thing you learn in North Korea is that it is Korean and I mean really Korean, isolated Korean. You will find that culturally the two Koreas have many interesting cultural characteristics.
 
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