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(Korea Times)   South Korean math teacher becomes legendary for profanely berating at-risk students, whacking them with shovels, and eliciting high grades. "If it were in the U.S., he would be probably in jail for doing so. But yeah, it's Korea"   ( divider line
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2010-01-16 06:22:54 PM  
How do I reach these kids?!?!
2010-01-16 07:18:36 PM  
I've watched hundreds of Korean films and TV shows in every genre. If it's set in a school, someone is eventually going to get beaten by a teacher.
2010-01-16 08:51:07 PM  
South Korean American math teacher football coach becomes legendary for profanely berating at-risk students who don't get the system, whacking them with shovels, and eliciting high grades wins. "If it were in the U.S Korea., he would be probably in jail for doing so. But yeah, it's Korea the U.S."
2010-01-16 09:17:24 PM  
I teach high school math in the US. It's nearly hopeless. Until they get the wanks out of school and into job training.

/for the record, Korean girls are hot
//back to GIS...
2010-01-16 09:21:58 PM  

bartink: antonitoporter: If he were in the US, he'd be in academia.

/Did my post-graduate work in the lab of a South Korean
//Was the first American to work in that lab
///Only female, too
////Profane berating and insulting a regular part of the advisor/grad student relationship there
//Dr. Antonitoporter now (though ultimately not from his lab)

PhD pics or it didn't happen.

Oh ok, so I just made that shiat up for the hell of it, right? Pshhh...
2010-01-16 09:56:56 PM  

powhound: I teach high school math in the US. It's nearly hopeless. Until they get the wanks out of school and into job training.

/for the record, Korean girls are hot
//back to GIS...

Salt Lake City, Utah
2010-01-16 10:18:45 PM  

Devoid: American students could use a good beating from what I've seen lately.

It's been ongoing for several decades now. The only good teachers left are the ones who still know how to make a polite request sound like a veiled threat of imminent death.
2010-01-16 10:29:41 PM  
I went to military school when I was a teenager (yeah, I was a troublemaker), and we had a teacher who wielded a large keyring full of keys. If you put your head down in class, you'd get whacked. Hard, too - it'd usually leave a lump. If you disrupted the class, you'd get whacked. It wasn't always with the keys, though. Sometimes he'd just outright use his fist. I remember when he got a stern lecture for hanging a kid out of the second story window by his ankles. I wouldn't say that it made any difference in the students' grades, but we were sure as hell careful about speaking out of turn or sleeping in his class.

Oh, and the 'profane berating' was also referred to as 'getting off light.'

He was also the JC basketball coach. Big surprise.
2010-01-17 12:06:33 AM  
As a teacher in Korea, I can attest that this is pretty common.
It's not the padded west where PC is something people seem to think is important (Seriously, if you're fat, Korean people will just straight call you fat. It's not even necessarily offensive, it's just honest).

Anyway, age, respect, and authority are essential parts of Korean culture. Students who resist it or have trouble recognizing it tend to take a beating or two. Anyway, military service for males is mandatory in Korea. Boys will spend 2 years or so in the military. If they can't handle authority in the classroom, they're going to wish themselves dead once they graduate.

I have little mercy for the fool who interrupts my class.

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2010-01-17 12:23:18 AM  

The_Sponge: "They don't like anyone who isn't Korean, and they don't like each other all that much, either. They're hardheaded, hard-drinking, tough little bastards, "the Irish of Asia"." - P.J. O'Rourke

If you study Korean history, you'll find that they have been conquered by pretty much all of their neighbors at one time or another, so they have every right not to like them very much.

I was stationed over there for two years back during the Cold War. The Koreans are tough little bastards. Very resilient. I really came to respect them and I would have had no problem fighting beside them if the sh*t had hit the fan.

As for their schools: Korean kids out away from the bigger cities literally did the "walked 5 miles uphill both ways in the snow" thing. Korean schools were highly regimented and the teachers and administrators took absolutely no crap from the students. In the town where I was stationed, the high school up the street ran two shifts. That's right -- TWO shifts. Korea took its schools very seriously and because of this their kids could kick our kids' asses in some subjects.
2010-01-17 12:29:18 AM  
All I know is, don't EVER mention that parents may not be exerting enough influence and control on the younglings...that just CAN'T be the problem...

Blame the person they spend one hour a day with, five days a week...even though they spend the same amount of time with five other people as well.
I mean, they only were born to and live with the parents. It must be the total stranger's fault who might memorize their name after 5 weeks or so....

Oh, and calling the kids LAZY? Calling them STUBBORN? That sounds like elitism to me. If the teachers were better, the kids would be interested. No doubt.

/sarcasm off
2010-01-17 12:33:00 AM  
Oh yeah, and by the way EDUCATIONISTAS...self-discipline has to be taught. Metacognition as a focus of teaching is utterly useless. Knowing how you learn has nothing to do with actually learning.
Learning takes effort, the development of self discipline (through discipline), and a sense of obligation and faith in the institution of school.
2010-01-17 02:25:53 AM  

bartink: accelerus: good for the south korean teacher...

100 dollars says because of this crazy old man they know their math up and down.

I'd be willing to go as far as saying that if it was allowed over here, we would have better students that actually feared their teacher. Probably less psycho ass kids that shoot up schools as well.

The definition of an "at risk" student is one who grew up never getting yelled at or put in their place when they screwed up. Being nice to them, pampering them and telling them its all going to be okay is fine if you want them to be worthless sacks of crap all their life.

Problem with this nonsense is that there a substantial body of research to show it is 100% wrong.

Nice try though. I'm sure it makes you feel better about your abusive childhood.

You should know better than to ever contradict an education hardass on Fark. They have Class I privileges.

/it's like going against a Sicilian when death is on the line
//except Sicilians at least give you a good meal first
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