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2010-01-16 01:25:58 PM
Weaver95: thirty three and a third: My 8 year old son got suspended for 10 days before Christmas break for bringing a screwdriver to school. He found it at the bus stop. A nice long vacation due to their asinine zero-tolerance weapon policy. Were they afraid he was going to fix something?

Prison officials confiscate workshop tools because prisoners can turn them into weapons. Apparently, school officials are worried that your son was going to turn the screwdriver into a crude knife and shank someone during recess.

it's amazing how similar the school system is to the prison system these days.


Same goals, Different funding.
 
2010-01-16 01:27:07 PM
namatad: thamike: Good thing his locker wasn't vibrating. Could have been a dildo.

when do kids start bringing small vibrating/ticking things to school, JUST to get out of class?

surprised that there hasn't been more false alarm crap at schools these days.

/where the hell are the punks theses days?


If you want to get out of a math test, instead of pulling the fire alarm like the good old days, just put a wind up alarm clock in your locker.

Of course this will be countered by the school board declaring alarm clocks dangerous weapons and expelling you.
 
2010-01-16 01:28:52 PM
Personally, I think this kid was subjected to slander, harassment, theft, defamation of character, and should sue for damages. The only way we are getting this type of intrusion and ridiculous BS to stop is with some tort payouts. I think like this but I'm really too lazy to sue anyone. But I think this is going to start happening all the time. If you have some duct taped contraption, watch out!

thirty three and a third: My 8 year old son got suspended for 10 days before Christmas break for bringing a screwdriver to school. He found it at the bus stop. A nice long vacation due to their asinine zero-tolerance weapon policy. Were they afraid he was going to fix something?

What did you do about it? Personally, I can see not minding if your kid missed ten days of education by retards. I'm dealing with a major personality conflict with a sheeple loving teacher myself lately so I'm just curious.
 
2010-01-16 01:31:17 PM
I got to play with radiation sources for a high school science project, built a rocket sled and crashed a test dummy for another class, and made an electromagnet in 4th grade that I'm sure would look like part of a bomb to an idiot. And I was born in the 80s.

Damn, it sucks to be a kid now. I thought it was bad when I was growing up, but at least my magnet-esque program had decent administrators. And good teachers who would biatch loudly if a crappy administrator came around.

Good luck, kid. Just keep your cool projects to yourself for a few years or submit them straight to a science fair that is judged by intelligent folk (our regional one was judged by engineers mostly).
 
2010-01-16 01:39:27 PM
pics.livejournal.com
 
2010-01-16 01:45:17 PM
DancesWithSquirrels: Last year here in a middle school, a ticking sound was heard coming from a locker. The kids were evacuated, police called and they brought in bomb disposal people. Robot went in, opened locker and took out backpack. Bomb people took the backpack outside and blew it up with a water cannon.

The ticking was a metronome that the student had for music class.


Who the fark thinks that bombs actually TICK? Probably the same people who think they have bright LCD displays conveniently informing you of how many minutes you have left to disarm the device, the wires of which are all conveniently color-coded for you.
 
2010-01-16 01:46:27 PM
worthlessjuan: Somehow I think this got lost in the discussions, how does his motion detector work, did it work, is it seismic, is it infrared, something completely different?

Well, since there are no pictures, I will offer a guess. There are two wires close together inside a bottle. Tilt or otherwise move the bottle (the motion) and something beeps or lights up or explodes (the detection).
 
2010-01-16 01:46:51 PM
DarthBrooks: 9-11-2001: my son was sitting in his high-school physics class. Some kid ran in the door and said, "Hey, a plane hit the World Trade Center!"

So the physics teacher turns on the classroom TV just as the second plane hits.

After about a minute, the physics teacher turns off the TV and says, "well, that will be on the news when you get home. Let's get back to Boyle's Law."

And THAT is the mindset that puts smart kids in detention.


You're saying the teacher should take the opportunity to explain terminal velocity as the class watches people jumping from a high rise as they attempt to escape certain death?

I don't see what 9-11 has to do with physics. Other than OMG 9-11
 
2010-01-16 01:53:55 PM
BleedPinstripes: zepplinrules: Yeah you guys are right, we might as well just stop monitoring what kids bring to school all together. Hell let's just and out handguns at the entrance and let it work itself out.

Bottom line is that the rules are there for everyone's safety. Yeah it might have been inconvenient for your kid to be hanging around the house for 10 extra days, but there's one less weapon in his school now.

We all carried pocket knives in elementary school.

Shockingly, no one got stabbed.

/Compasses in art class were another story


You know, most schools use compasses for MATH class. Geometry to be precise.

/Giotto is weeping
//nothing is obscure on Fark.
 
2010-01-16 01:54:34 PM
dlewis6: Uhhh, the only real problem is that they confinscated it afterwards. If it was a bomb, you all would be biatching about how ineffective the administration is dealing with these situations. It's like airport security. If someone gets through with something, you say they aren't doing their job. If they want to screen more, you say you're being violated somehow.

This is not a big deal! I can't imagine what you guys would act like if you lived when knowledge really was oppressed.


No. Just shut up already before you hurt yourself.

emu-memu.net
 
2010-01-16 01:59:47 PM
CougarJeff: I just emailed the school:
You are what is wrong with education, with this country, and with humanity. Kindly remove yourself from all of the above.


That sounds anti-american and terrorist like.
 
2010-01-16 02:00:05 PM
zepplinrules: I agree that fake bomb threats waste time and reduce readiness, but this wasn't a fake bomb threat. Somebody (who may or may not be a complete idiot) really thought this was a bomb, and that needs to be taken seriously.

Somebody (who may or may not be a complete idiot) thinks your post sounds sympathetic to radical terrorists, and that needs to be taken seriously.

/shoe. other foot.
 
2010-01-16 02:00:14 PM
As a foreigner, can I just say how amusing it is to watch america swirling round the plug-hole faster, ever faster?
 
2010-01-16 02:00:31 PM
Well, I did fluid wave dynamics for my middle school science project and the judges were too dumb to figure out what I was doing. It's much better for the kid to just have the parents build the damned thing, right?

/surprisingly, my supposedly 'ghetto' SoCal school district was not nearly as Orwellian as those described by many of the farkers here.
 
2010-01-16 02:01:32 PM
Krieghund:

You know, most schools use compasses for MATH class. Geometry to be precise.

/Giotto is weeping
//nothing is obscure on Fark.


No no. Those are little girly compasses. The ones we had in the art room looked like a 3' spear.

Like this:

www.core77.com

/Still remember leading a fateful charge into the heart of the pottery wheels.
//Lost a lot of good men that day.
 
2010-01-16 02:06:49 PM
DarthBrooks: 9-11-2001: my son was sitting in his high-school physics class. Some kid ran in the door and said, "Hey, a plane hit the World Trade Center!"

So the physics teacher turns on the classroom TV just as the second plane hits.

After about a minute, the physics teacher turns off the TV and says, "well, that will be on the news when you get home. Let's get back to Boyle's Law."

And THAT is the mindset that puts smart kids in detention.


THIS. M-F, THIS!

I was in Physics class the afternoon the Challenger blew up. Our professor was a naturalized US citizen originally from Poland. He said something along the lines of "In science, we reach for something greater than ourselves. Sometimes this results in the tragic loss of human life. We grieve for their loss, and then we move on." I wish I could remember the actual words, but it's close to that.

Then he taught the lecture, and I studied harder than ever in that class, and ended doing a full point better than I would have.

Many years later, I took a great deal of shiat for telling people at the office that the terrorists (who I mistakenly thought would end being domestic ones) would really like us all to stop working and freak out, and so could we please get back to work and ignore all the 24x7 news coverage?

I wasn't saying to ignore the event, I was saying "let's work even harder now and screw THEM over".
 
2010-01-16 02:19:34 PM
Summercat: Would it be a violation of my civil rights to deprive me of my glasses? I'm nearsighted, and while I can get around just fine without them, if I'm not wearing them I can't even order off one of those overhead menus at a fast food joint when I'm standing at the counter.

Actually, a commenter on TSA's blog mentioned that Air Canada wasn't allowing glasses as part of the flight 253 security absurdity. Not sure about contacts.
 
2010-01-16 02:20:55 PM
maceinator: They "sign" their names in block letters.

This seems pretty reasonable if you usually write in block letters -- if you switch to some foreign symbology just to make your mark it might as well be an "X". It's not like the something magical about cursive manual autographs that make contracts more enforceable, it's just the way people wrote. There were a few of generations in the middle that are used to typed documents with cursive signatures, but historically the document and the signature would have been written with the same symbols.
 
2010-01-16 02:20:57 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
You stay classy, San Diego.
 
2010-01-16 02:22:21 PM
DigitalCoffee: Wonder if the kid will be able to do 5 megawatt by mid May.

/he also needs to get even with the principal
//it's a moral imperative
///popcorn


And does he have a guy living in his closet sending out sweepstakes entries by the boxload?

/ they're gone!
 
2010-01-16 02:30:16 PM
AbbeySomeone: CougarJeff: I just emailed the school:
You are what is wrong with education, with this country, and with humanity. Kindly remove yourself from all of the above.

That sounds anti-american and terrorist like.


Heh. Jeff is likely to have his state and federal income tax returns audited for the next ten years.
 
2010-01-16 02:41:34 PM
namatad: the whole point of number 4 is that putting the DUMB kids with the SMART kids helps neither group.
putting the JOCKS with the ART and MUSIC nerds kids, just causes problems.

kids are NOT the same, they have different interests at different times

putting them all together hurts all of them, with a minimal amount of immersion bleed over.

some kids need a lot more attention in certain classes and the rest get held back.

by allowing the kids to excel in the things that they can excel in, will help them ... and by giving them extra help when needed, out of sight of the average and above average will remove the stigma of being a tard.

but yah, could only work in large school districts and would hurt the feelings of the parents whose kids where not jocks or brains or or or

/blargh


I understand where you're coming from on this, but all this would accomplish is having kids who are ill-prepared for the real world because they lack interaction with all the kinds of people they'll meet.

Maybe 1/2 the day in specialized/focused classes where you learn based on interest/ability. But if you separate out the geeks from the jocks, for example, when everybody goes out into the work force, all the BS that goes on in high school is going to come out in people's 20s.
 
2010-01-16 03:12:24 PM
Reminds me of the time I made this thing that shocked people. It was basically a bar-be-cue lighter with some wires on it attached to an end that was easy to press against anyone. It was a big red button with black tape and wires coming out of it.
I had it in my coat pocket and totally forgot about it. That particular day I ended up at Detroit Metro Airport to see my sister off on her trip to Rome, trying to go through the metal detector and having it beep as the woman asks me to unload everything from my pocket...
 
2010-01-16 03:23:54 PM
Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: dlewis6: Uhhh, the only real problem is that they confinscated it afterwards. If it was a bomb, you all would be biatching about how ineffective the administration is dealing with these situations. It's like airport security. If someone gets through with something, you say they aren't doing their job. If they want to screen more, you say you're being violated somehow.

This is not a big deal! I can't imagine what you guys would act like if you lived when knowledge really was oppressed.

No. Just shut up already before you hurt yourself.


You're right. I can't believe I tried to be rational on Fark. Can you ever forgive me? Uhhh, so should I start screaming that my rights are being violated now?

Remind me again, who is violating what now? I'm not as good as most of you at this.
 
2010-01-16 03:30:18 PM
"It had a very sinister appearance, it had a battery behind it, and wires."

So does my tamagotchi from the 1990s
 
2010-01-16 03:36:34 PM
Hatchling #742-11-3251 has shown exceptional intelligence.

Any deviation from normality is unacceptable.

Hatchling #742-11-3251 must be culled from the herd.
 
2010-01-16 03:38:49 PM
dlewis6: Uhhh, the only real problem is that they confinscated it afterwards. If it was a bomb, you all would be biatching about how ineffective the administration is dealing with these situations. It's like airport security. If someone gets through with something, you say they aren't doing their job. If they want to screen more, you say you're being violated somehow.

This is not a big deal! I can't imagine what you guys would act like if you lived when knowledge really was oppresse


When something gets through and they're job is to make sure something doesn't get through, then they have failed to do their job.

When they're frisking 6 year olds, confiscating 105mL bottles of water, hassling people for carrying "too much" cash, etc. and yet somehow a crappy bomb gets through, we have every right to complain.

They have too many things they want to screen for and do a poor job at it. They need a smaller list of things they need to do a better job of finding. They need a scalpel, not a chainsaw.
Their response to the whole underwear bomber was a larger chainsaw similar to the chainsaw upgrade they got when the shoe bomber failed at his attempt.

The TSA's approach to airport security isn't too far off from the simple mindedness present in school officials who adore zero-tolerance policies.
 
2010-01-16 03:49:01 PM
The next time fark has a school discipline or corporal punishment thread, this thread needs to be brought up.

If schools were allowed to spank/paddle/strap students like "the old days", these officials would be the ones doing it.
I can just see it now:
8 year old Billy stabs a classmate with a buck knife-paddle;
7 year old Johnny's dad packed a plastic spork in his lunch-paddle;
11 year old Timmy brought a homemade motion detector that the clueless teacher thought was a bomb-where's the belt?;
11 year old Anna brings emtpy shotgun shells from a camping trip-get the belt
14 year old Susie has a picture of her holding guns at a shooting range-belt, or if she's hot-over the knee.
16 year old Billy has steak knives in a box of household goods in the trunk of his car-summary execution.

These people-school officials-cannot be allowed to have any more power. Their level of accountability and power must be brought on par-if that means a lot less power to match their much lower level of accountability, so be it.
 
2010-01-16 04:08:29 PM
Since when do 11 year olds go to middle school? He must have skipped a few grades.
 
2010-01-16 04:25:19 PM
aagrajag: Home of the brave, indeed.

You yanks weren't always such pussies. What happened, man? You used to be cool.


If you haven't figured it out yet, in America, a bunch of idiots (with lots of family money) pushed & bought their way to the front of the line. Somehow, these idiots convinced enough of the rest dumb sheeps in America to either elect & hire them and let them be in charge of the way things get run around here. They then apply their well-practiced incompetence (and "pussiness"), which unfortunately reflects upon the rest of us. So, sorry for the disappointment, however, you wouldn't be finding any pussy where I'm sitting.
 
2010-01-16 04:45:53 PM
Does anyone have any idea what the ratio is of reported suspicious packages to actual bombs there have been in the last,oh, 20 years or so?

Any stats on that anywhere? I wouldn't even know where to look for that.
 
2010-01-16 05:00:13 PM
FlukeBoy: Pay the Man: I hate those TSA farktards as much as the next guy, but how the fark did this thread deteriorate into a TSA bashing rant?

Because you Hopey McChange libtards insist that driving cars and eating bacon is going to kill us all, so why don't we just pay the lazy arsed poor people to stay home and take drugs so they can murder the hard working patriots that support them in their sleep for money to buy hookers and blow with.

/like that.
\\did I leave anything out??
//oh yeah
\Tila Tequila is a alien looking my space dwarf slut that heels her shiat down the drain.


You know what they say about assuming things, right douchebag? Calling me a "Hopey McChange libtard" is like calling Paris Hilton brilliant. It just ain't even close.

/eat my ass, dumbfark
 
2010-01-16 05:01:34 PM
DarthBrooks: 9-11-2001: my son was sitting in his high-school physics class. Some kid ran in the door and said, "Hey, a plane hit the World Trade Center!"

So the physics teacher turns on the classroom TV just as the second plane hits.

After about a minute, the physics teacher turns off the TV and says, "well, that will be on the news when you get home. Let's get back to Boyle's Law."

And THAT is
THE OPPOSITE OF the mindset that puts smart kids in detention.

FTFY.

Should the teacher have locked them down and made them hide under their desks? Sent them out to stand in line for gasoline? Sent them down to the Army recruiter? Frisked and strip-searched them all?

A physics teacher who thought teaching physics was what should happen in a physics class, even when something interesting was happening outside class.

Spiffy tag, not fail.
 
2010-01-16 05:22:36 PM
rev. dave: I am getting the feeling the society is being run by and policed by knuckle draggers

Obama does look a bit like a monkey
 
2010-01-16 05:23:09 PM
Aaahh, the California educational system once again proves why it stands apart from the rest.
 
2010-01-16 05:24:55 PM
Sliding Carp: A physics teacher who thought teaching physics was what should happen in a physics class, even when something interesting was happening outside class.

Spiffy tag, not fail.


Yeah, it was about as interesting as the attack on Pearl Harbor. Pretty much along the lines of a large car crash on the %LOCAL_INTERSTATE% or a police standoff across town.


A physics teacher who thinks that teaching physics is more important then following a just-happened world changing event is a prestine example of fail.

2, 3 days later? Yeah, maybe pick back up where we left off.

Another idiot had that same kind of thinking and we have 7 minutes of video where he sits like a dumbass when he should have stopped what he was doing and addressed the situation unfolding.
 
2010-01-16 05:52:08 PM
My science project was based on rapid expansion of gases and the effects of pressure waves on various geometric shapes.

Of course back then, we called this physics.

/and we made pipebombs for funsies

//Mr I am so smart up there is a bag of dicks. I personally hate you, and wish you suffering.
 
2010-01-16 06:16:56 PM
The technology school doesn't seem to understand Google cache either.

Staff directory now (new window), cached directory (new window)

I guess VP Willie Neil has been getting too much feedback.
 
2010-01-16 06:24:26 PM
maceinator: [cursive] Yeah, not taught anymore.

FINALLY. What an immense waste of time and effort. Not that I'm hopeful there's more math instead of learning to precisely hand-copy a second completely-overlapping alphabet for no goddamn reason... but at least there's more time for something else.
 
2010-01-16 06:41:03 PM
maceinator: TsukasaK: The only one that doesn't belong in that sequence is writing in cursive. Seriously, it's a dead art, like speaking latin. There is no reason beyond curiosity for it to be taught nowadays.

Says the guy fresh out out of college.


Screw cursive. I learned it decades ago, and was good at it-- but the waste of time in an environment starved for math and science was tragic.

The eight-week class I spent in a room full of girls learning to type on typewriters with the keys painted black has been infinitely more useful than the every-day-for-seven-years cursive classes. I CAN YELL ON FARK AT 130WPM.
 
2010-01-16 06:56:09 PM
Nearly 40 years ago, I took the carbon elements out a military surplus throat mic my older brother gave me and took them to jr high school. A classmate saw me playing with them in study hall and asked me what they were. For some perverse reason, I told him they were blasting caps. He reported me to the teacher, who, in turn, reported me to the principal. I was taken to the office, accused and I confessed. The elements were confiscated and I received a three day suspension. I guess that taught me!
 
2010-01-16 07:25:05 PM
dlewis6: Uhhh, the only real problem is that they confinscated it afterwards. If it was a bomb, you all would be biatching about how ineffective the administration is dealing with these situations. It's like airport security. If someone gets through with something, you say they aren't doing their job. If they want to screen more, you say you're being violated somehow.

This is not a big deal! I can't imagine what you guys would act like if you lived when knowledge really was oppressed.


Wouldn't a reasonable person simply ask the child what the contraption was and how it works? If the adult could not judge whether the device was what the child said it was, the adult should have merely asked the science teacher to look at it. Immediately calling the bomb squad sounds extreme. Kids bring things to school with batteries and wires all the time. Just because this child made his own and didn't stuff it in a pretty case doesn't automatically make it more dangerous than any other device in schools.

Just because the oppression of knowledge (or oppression of the creative independent application of knowledge) is subtle doe snot mean it is of no concern. We should be encouraged children to make things (with reasonable adult supervision). This sounds like a environment that is afraid of what the kids might make because the adults are not sure that they can understand what is being made.
 
2010-01-16 07:57:56 PM
ElVee: Those that can, do.
Those that can't, teach.
Those that can't teach, administrate.
teach at flatpoint high.

FTFY
/Obscure?
 
2010-01-16 08:17:00 PM
Man, I'm glad I'm not in school now.

My final physics project in HS was a rail gun.

/it only worked once
//but it shot an iron nail accross the chem lab and drove into a pine desk, so; worth it
 
2010-01-16 09:22:57 PM
Delay: worthlessjuan: Somehow I think this got lost in the discussions, how does his motion detector work, did it work, is it seismic, is it infrared, something completely different?

Well, since there are no pictures, I will offer a guess. There are two wires close together inside a bottle. Tilt or otherwise move the bottle (the motion) and something beeps or lights up or explodes (the detection).


Wut u did there, I c it. HUR.
 
2010-01-16 09:34:54 PM
Aunt Crabby: dlewis6: Uhhh, the only real problem is that they confinscated it afterwards. If it was a bomb, you all would be biatching about how ineffective the administration is dealing with these situations. It's like airport security. If someone gets through with something, you say they aren't doing their job. If they want to screen more, you say you're being violated somehow.

This is not a big deal! I can't imagine what you guys would act like if you lived when knowledge really was oppressed.

Wouldn't a reasonable person simply ask the child what the contraption was and how it works? If the adult could not judge whether the device was what the child said it was, the adult should have merely asked the science teacher to look at it. Immediately calling the bomb squad sounds extreme. Kids bring things to school with batteries and wires all the time. Just because this child made his own and didn't stuff it in a pretty case doesn't automatically make it more dangerous than any other device in schools.

Just because the oppression of knowledge (or oppression of the creative independent application of knowledge) is subtle doe snot mean it is of no concern. We should be encouraged children to make things (with reasonable adult supervision). This sounds like a environment that is afraid of what the kids might make because the adults are not sure that they can understand what is being made.


The system is designed to protect the administrators from legal exposure. To cover their asses, they create "zero tolerance" policies. No decision making equals no legal consequences.

In this case, someone, either a student or teacher, gets word to the administrator that there may be a bomb in the school. That person might even say they thinks the odds are really low, or even that they're "pretty sure it isn't a bomb". However, the administrator now to follow the script, or else risk losing everything he has to a later lawsuit.

So, the administrator calls the police. Maybe he even says "This is a great student, and I looked at the thing, and I think he's telling the truth, but it might be a bomb so can you please come check?".

Now the dispatcher has to call the bomb squad. They have a script, too, forced on them by years of frivolous lawsuits. The bomb squad is not permitted to simply show up, look at the bottle, hand it back to the kid, and say "Nice work, Timmy. You'll get an A for that one." No, they have to go through the motions: full bomb dress, drag the device out into a clear area, send in the robot, and pop it with a low-grade explosive to disable any firing device. Then, they can look at the remnants and see it was never a real bomb.

Meanwhile, all this activity was "caused" by the student, so you know they're going to be held "responsible" for all the over-reaction. That student had absolutely zero to do with all this crap security theater, but the system has to blame somebody, and it's designed to protect the administrators, the cops, and the bomb squad. Guess who's left?

That's right - the falsely accused takes the blame for the whole thing.

\disclaimer: this may or may not have happened to me many years ago.
 
2010-01-16 10:14:20 PM
zepplinrules: Yeah you guys are right, we might as well just stop monitoring what kids bring to school all together. Hell let's just and out handguns at the entrance and let it work itself out.

Bottom line is that the rules are there for everyone's safety. Yeah it might have been inconvenient for your kid to be hanging around the house for 10 extra days, but there's one less weapon in his school now.


1/10 You just threw your hands up in the air and decided to go for broke, didn't you?
 
2010-01-16 10:19:05 PM
pedrop357: Sliding Carp: A physics teacher who thought teaching physics was what should happen in a physics class, even when something interesting was happening outside class.

Spiffy tag, not fail.

Yeah, it was about as interesting as the attack on Pearl Harbor. Pretty much along the lines of a large car crash on the %LOCAL_INTERSTATE% or a police standoff across town.


A physics teacher who thinks that teaching physics is more important then following a just-happened world changing event is a prestine example of fail.

2, 3 days later? Yeah, maybe pick back up where we left off.

Another idiot had that same kind of thinking and we have 7 minutes of video where he sits like a dumbass when he should have stopped what he was doing and addressed the situation unfolding.


What would the kids have done about 9/11?

Maybe he could have started teaching about F=MA and how it was impossible for jetliners to pancake collapse a skyscraper.
 
2010-01-16 10:43:57 PM
You can phone the school here to leave the principle a message, calling him a dumbass: 619-527-6933

Or, you can use this link (new window) to leave an e-mail message.
 
2010-01-16 10:49:39 PM
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