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2010-01-16 09:32:37 AM  
Students and employees were cleared out of their classrooms and offices while a bomb squad was dispatched to inspect the device, which consisted of a bottle with wires attached to it, said Maurice Luque, a spokesman for the city Fire-Rescue Department.


This article needs a picture.
Seriously, a kid shows some talent and people assume he is a terrorist. No wonder we are falling behind.
 
2010-01-16 09:47:54 AM  
what a bunch of morans...
 
2010-01-16 09:51:51 AM  
So what is the lesson from the "magnet school" to this kid? That those in "authority" are often idiots and self important to boot? Better the kid should learn that early. Good job, "administrators".
 
2010-01-16 09:54:21 AM  
The kid has learned three lessons that are very important here.

1. The nail that stands tallest gets hammered down first.
2. No matter how much you explain something to an administrator they'll never get it.
3. Being intelligent is a punishment.

If the kid had made a crappy diorama none of this would have happened.
 
2010-01-16 09:58:31 AM  
eddyatwork: The kid has learned three lessons that are very important here.

1. The nail that stands tallest gets hammered down first.
2. No matter how much you explain something to an administrator they'll never get it.
3. Being intelligent is a punishment.

If the kid had made a crappy diorama none of this would have happened.


Or a Vinegar-Baking Soda Volcano.
 
2010-01-16 09:58:44 AM  
Technology! BURN IT!
 
2010-01-16 09:59:14 AM  
Vampire_Blues: Students and employees were cleared out of their classrooms and offices while a bomb squad was dispatched to inspect the device, which consisted of a bottle with wires attached to it, said Maurice Luque, a spokesman for the city Fire-Rescue Department.


This article needs a picture.
Seriously, a kid shows some talent and people assume he is a terrorist. No wonder we are falling behind.


Done in one.
 
2010-01-16 09:59:34 AM  
11 year old trifecta in play.
 
2010-01-16 10:00:17 AM  
"It had a very sinister appearance, it had a battery behind it, and wires."

img693.imageshack.us
 
2010-01-16 10:00:27 AM  
Pics or it didn't happen.

Really want to see what he made.

\Teh administrators are 700 Club faithful.
 
2010-01-16 10:01:15 AM  
I love how they determined it was a harmless science project and then confiscated it.
 
2010-01-16 10:01:16 AM  
Hey, Millennial Tech Middle School administrators? I hope you can see this, because I'm doing it as hard as I can.
 
2010-01-16 10:01:19 AM  

"Officials decided to call in the explosives team to look over the object - which an administrator had confiscated and taken into a principal's office - as a precaution."


Well thank heaven there was a person stupid enough brave enough to move a suspicious device.

 
2010-01-16 10:01:24 AM  
They shut down everything, didn't they?

/DNRTFA
 
2010-01-16 10:01:38 AM  
A guy from CMU was detained and questioned at CVS because his home-made GPS unit had a battery pack.

That's right: in a neighborhood filled with high-tech students this white guy who was openly carrying a device had what was considered a suspicious object because it required portable electrical energy.

And the reason he was let go without further investigation? The object had a Windows CE logo on it.

You are safe, citizen. The government is watching.
 
2010-01-16 10:04:34 AM  
thelordofcheese: A guy from CMU was detained and questioned at CVS because his home-made GPS unit had a battery pack.

That's right: in a neighborhood filled with high-tech students this white guy who was openly carrying a device had what was considered a suspicious object because it required portable electrical energy.

And the reason he was let go without further investigation? The object had a Windows CE logo on it.

You are safe, citizen. The government is watching.


That's why I have no cell phone nor portable GPS. There are too many ignorants out around lacking basic science and technology awareness.

\Off the grid sort-a
 
2010-01-16 10:06:58 AM  
eddyatwork: The kid has learned three lessons that are very important here.

1. The nail that stands tallest gets hammered down first.
2. No matter how much you explain something to an administrator they'll never get it.
3. Being intelligent is a punishment.

If the kid had made a crappy diorama none of this would have happened.


Jesus H. Christ, ain't THAT the truth.
 
2010-01-16 10:07:06 AM  
Think we might have lost some freedom... way to go...
 
2010-01-16 10:07:12 AM  
www.cultofmac.com
 
2010-01-16 10:07:36 AM  
The 11-year-old who had brought the device to the technology-oriented magnet school told authorities it was a home-made electronic motion detector that he wanted to show to his classmates, Luque said.


http://www.snpp.com/guides/seymour.html (pops)
# [8F17] imagines a state of the art detention hall where children are held in place by magnets

http://www.snpp.com/episodes/8F17.html (pops)
A news report on the lottery comes on the TV. (``Down in front!'' yells
Homer at SLH. SLH collapses.) Kent Brockman reports that every copy
of Shirley Jackson's ``The Lottery'' has been checked out of the library.
Nevermind that it has absolutely nothing to do with winning the lottery.
Homer angrily tosses his copy into the fireplace.

Kent: But there's already one big winner: Our state school system,
which gets fully half the profits from the library.
Skinner: [talking with his teachers]
Just think what we can buy with that money...
History books that know how the Korean War came out.
Math books that don't have that base six crap in them!
And a state-of-the-art detention hall [holds up a scale model]
where children are held in place with magnets.
Teacher:
[to no one in particular] Magnets. Always with the magnets...

Simpsons Episode -- ``Dog of Death'' (Season 3 - Episode 19)
 
2010-01-16 10:07:37 AM  
Home of the brave, indeed.

You yanks weren't always such pussies. What happened, man? You used to be cool.
 
2010-01-16 10:08:30 AM  
I wish i had done stuff like this when I was in school
 
2010-01-16 10:09:05 AM  
The Pentagon recently released a report stating that the small number of students going into science and engineering fields constitues a grave security threat to the country. So... can we have the vice-principal who overreacted sent to Gitmo for endangering the future of the United States of America?
 
2010-01-16 10:09:14 AM  
"It had wires and a battery, and that's how all the bombs look in the movies we rent, so it must have been a bomb, derp derp"

What kind of qualifications does it take to be an administrator of a magnet school, anyway? Can they even explain what a magnet is?
 
2010-01-16 10:09:22 AM  
Sounds like the folks at Millennial Tech are still stuck back in 2001.

/or is it 2000?
 
2010-01-16 10:09:50 AM  
Here's the real FAIL:

FTFA: The 11-year-old who had brought the device to the technology-oriented magnet school told authorities it was a home-made electronic motion detector that he wanted to show to his classmates

This school was presumably geared toward encouraging students to do shiat like this.

Also:

clint.sheer.us
 
2010-01-16 10:10:00 AM  
I just hope he doesn't go rougue because of this.
 
2010-01-16 10:10:11 AM  
skinink: "Officials decided to call in the explosives team to look over the object - which an administrator had confiscated and taken into a principal's office - as a precaution."

Well thank heaven there was a person stupid enough brave enough to move a suspicious device.


To the principal's office. Seriously, if you're brave enough to move something that you really and truly believe is a hazard to the kids in your care, why put it in the principal's office as opposed to, I dunno, the parking lot?
 
2010-01-16 10:10:53 AM  
aagrajag: Home of the brave, indeed.

You yanks weren't always such pussies. What happened, man? You used to be cool.


Somebody let women vote....and drive.
 
2010-01-16 10:11:50 AM  
This is horrible. The parents should show up en masse to egg the administration. They can't arrest you all!!

/maybe they can
//they probably will
 
2010-01-16 10:12:24 AM  
i629.photobucket.com

Leaving now, nothing left to say...
 
2010-01-16 10:13:47 AM  
Fire that teacher/idiot.

Give the kid back his doohicky.

At least school was canceled for the day.
 
2010-01-16 10:15:35 AM  
Clearly the only way to protect ourselves from 'home-grown' terrorism scares is to disband the whole education system. Remember kids, uneducated people can't make bombs.

/ schools are just socialism.
 
2010-01-16 10:16:42 AM  
 
2010-01-16 10:18:29 AM  
eddyatwork: The kid has learned three lessons that are very important here.

1. The nail that stands tallest gets hammered down first.
2. No matter how much you explain something to an administrator they'll never get it.
3. Being intelligent is a punishment.

If the kid had made a crappy diorama none of this would have happened.


Yeah. A big THIS. At least, that has been my experience.

That's why I became an entropy-worshiping nihilist. I figured that the only way I could get along in this world without being accosted or reviled would be to out-doomsay the doomsayers.

So far it has worked. `Perhaps too well.

I tried the whole "Show off how smart I am" thing in middle school, and I was completely cured of it by high school, thanks to teachers and administrators who were threatened by my existence. Even in the adult world, I've learned that most people don't like someone who is noticeably intelligent; They prefer their peers, superiors, and/or underlings to be as dim as they are, and suffer the delusion that they themselves are the smartest monkey in their office, because they picked more fleas this week than anyone else.

/Resents stupid people.
//And I'm positive they resent me, too.
 
2010-01-16 10:18:33 AM  
Wonder if the kid will be able to do 5 megawatt by mid May.

/he also needs to get even with the principal
//it's a moral imperative
///popcorn
 
2010-01-16 10:18:45 AM  
Do american schools allow pencils and pens, or do they just use crayon?

Are the canteens using plastic cutlery? Think of the children, America.
 
2010-01-16 10:18:54 AM  
It was really an idiot detector cleverly disguised as bomb disguised as a motion detector. It performed flawlessly.
 
2010-01-16 10:19:29 AM  
Yeah...the news story left a lot out. The truth is, the child ain't right.
 
2010-01-16 10:20:56 AM  
Great. These so-called academic leaders have put that damn Lee Greenwood song in my head, only he's singing it very sarcastically.

I really hate what's happened to my country.
 
2010-01-16 10:20:57 AM  
Shouldn't be too much longer before school personnel stand around pointing at certain, singled out students yelling "Witch, Witch".

/The terrorists HAVE won.
 
2010-01-16 10:20:59 AM  
I'd be much more worried about the pulse rifle.
 
2010-01-16 10:21:42 AM  
Vampire_Blues:
Seriously, a kid shows some talent and people assume he is a terrorist. No wonder we are falling behind.


America, land of the free and home of the brave...
 
2010-01-16 10:22:26 AM  
Wow, so much fail there. It is a TECHNICAL school. Isn't he "doing it right"?
 
2010-01-16 10:23:04 AM  
IQ7ZuuIU: Shouldn't be too much longer before school personnel stand around pointing at certain, singled out students yelling "Witch, Witch".

/The terrorists HAVE won.


surrender doroty
 
2010-01-16 10:24:02 AM  
It just gets more stupid everyday. Thank you NEA.
 
2010-01-16 10:24:48 AM  
maceinator: Darpa: U.S. Geek Shortage Is National Security Risk

From the referenced article: According to the Computer Research Association, computer science enrollment dropped 43 percent between 2003 and 2006.

How much of this is due to the dot-com bust?

What worries me more is the lack of engineering students. I saw on History Channel when they still had history a statement about how over half of the engineers in the US are over the age of 50. That means in less than 20 years we are going to have a major shortage.

Somehow, the kid in the article probably won't go into it if this crap keeps going on in schools.
 
2010-01-16 10:25:18 AM  
real shaman: It just gets more stupid everyday. Thank you NEA.

All I know is that if I tried even half the stuff I did when I was a kid in this environment of fear and paranoia, i'd be in a jail cell until I was 24.
 
2010-01-16 10:29:10 AM  
Fear the Clam: To the principal's office. Seriously, if you're brave enough to move something that you really and truly believe is a hazard to the kids in your care, why put it in the principal's office as opposed to, I dunno, the parking lot?

Only one reason. Assassination attempt on the principal.
 
2010-01-16 10:30:18 AM  
Weaver95: All I know is that if I tried even half the stuff I did when I was a kid in this environment of fear and paranoia, i'd be in a jail cell until I was 24.

Hell, my diary would have landed me multiple felony terrorist charges because as a release and escape from the hell that was school I'd write creative entries about how I'd kill them all. It was fantasy.

The thing that is chilling to me today about schools is how they are training people to live in a prison mentality where all independent thought must be crushed instantly in the guise of safety and all spirit must be destroyed by meaningless rules that accomplish nothing.
 
2010-01-16 10:31:10 AM  
eddyatwork:
The thing that is chilling to me today about schools is how they are training people to live in a prison mentality where all independent thought must be crushed instantly in the guise of safety and all spirit must be destroyed by meaningless rules that accomplish nothing.


At least people will be comfortable in their new corporate paradise.
 
2010-01-16 10:31:14 AM  
Officials decided to call in the explosives team to look over the object - which an administrator had confiscated and taken into a principal's office - as a precaution.

Read more: http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2010-01-15/local-county-news/suspicious-object-prom pts-school-evacuation#ixzz0cn1LV5Cw


Speaking as someone who works around explosives; If you honestly think something might be a bomb, you're a god damn idiot if you touch it or move it.
 
2010-01-16 10:33:00 AM  
School Administrator.

The job for those individuals who lack the cranial processing abilities to be hired as a Walmart greeter.

In a perfect world there should be a mandatory IQ of around 120 to have anything to do with running schools. With at least as much learning time as needed to become an engineer. After all it is one of the most important jobs one can have.

Instead with get small-minded political weasels who pander to the paranoid parents that believe anything they see on Fox News.
 
2010-01-16 10:34:09 AM  
Don't worry 'mer'ca, China & India will pick up the technological-know-how slack. You just rest and stop all those pesky kids from thinking.

It'll work out just fine.
 
2010-01-16 10:34:21 AM  
Good grief! I know I'm getting old now. Back when I was in school we were encouraged to think outside of the box. In high school I experimented with building an alcohol distillation set-up. (after recovering the alcohol and checking the purity I was supposed to dump it down the drain. Supposed to...) After that was experimenting with compounds that were exothermic and spontaneously combusted. I scared the vice-principal with that one so he brought me an extra fire extinguisher.
 
2010-01-16 10:34:47 AM  
Wanted for Questioning:

chud.com

/// hot like a giant bag of popcorn
 
2010-01-16 10:35:31 AM  
Should be interesting. In a couple of years, my niece will be starting school. Given her parents (not to mention ALL her relatives) penchant for anti-authoritarian activities, i'm guessing we'll be hearing a lot from school administrators.
 
2010-01-16 10:36:59 AM  
There need to be laws that prosecute stupidity this strong. Either that or allow the student to sue the administrator. It didn't say they smashed the detector, which is the most remarkable part of this story.

I am getting the feeling the society is being run by and policed by knuckle draggers
 
2010-01-16 10:37:47 AM  
rev. dave:
I am getting the feeling the society is being run by and policed by knuckle draggers


well duh.
 
2010-01-16 10:38:17 AM  
Weaver95: At least people will be comfortable in their new corporate paradise.

Indeed. Let the reality shows continue making the stupid even dumber by watching that crap.
 
2010-01-16 10:38:49 AM  
FightDirector: eddyatwork: The kid has learned three lessons that are very important here.

1. The nail that stands tallest gets hammered down first.
2. No matter how much you explain something to an administrator they'll never get it.
3. Being intelligent is a punishment.

If the kid had made a crappy diorama none of this would have happened.

Jesus H. Christ, ain't THAT the truth.


Yeah, all us jeenyuses just hate bein' smart.
 
2010-01-16 10:39:35 AM  
eddyatwork: maceinator: Darpa: U.S. Geek Shortage Is National Security Risk

From the referenced article: According to the Computer Research Association, computer science enrollment dropped 43 percent between 2003 and 2006.

How much of this is due to the dot-com bust?

What worries me more is the lack of engineering students. I saw on History Channel when they still had history a statement about how over half of the engineers in the US are over the age of 50. That means in less than 20 years we are going to have a major shortage.

Somehow, the kid in the article probably won't go into it if this crap keeps going on in schools.


Sweet; my husband has job security and a real chance at going upstairs.

/electrical engineer.
//his brother is a mechanical engineer.
 
2010-01-16 10:39:44 AM  
eddyatwork:

Somehow, the kid in the article probably won't go into it if this crap keeps going on in schools.


Chemists too; you can't buy a chemistry set for your kids anymore. Pretty much every field of scientific study will get you smacked down. Computers? You're a hacker! Electronics? Bombs! Chemistry? Bombs! Engineering? Bombs! Biology? Biological warfare! Physics? Nuclear bombs!

It's like a broken record at this point. Kids learn to keep their heads down. fark the future, we'll be cleaning toilets in Mexico and Canada in a decade.
 
2010-01-16 10:39:58 AM  
Last year here in a middle school, a ticking sound was heard coming from a locker. The kids were evacuated, police called and they brought in bomb disposal people. Robot went in, opened locker and took out backpack. Bomb people took the backpack outside and blew it up with a water cannon.

The ticking was a metronome that the student had for music class.
 
2010-01-16 10:40:02 AM  
Fear the Clam: To the principal's office. Seriously, if you're brave enough to move something that you really and truly believe is a hazard to the kids in your care, why put it in the principal's office as opposed to, I dunno, the parking lot?

Just like the TSA confiscates your 'dangerous' bottled water... then dumps it in a trash can right next to them.
 
2010-01-16 10:40:11 AM  
"Home of the Brave," my ass.
 
2010-01-16 10:40:59 AM  
I love how the kid told them what it was, but they had it X-rayed anyway.

And to find what? You can't have an explosive without explosive material. Wires by themselves do not explode.

You can electronically remotely detonate something else, but then you need the something else.

*

I believe the bomb squad should have the independent authority to say "screw you" and go home, if called on an obviously non-weapon. That should go a long way towards reducing incidents like this. Further, whoever called the bomb squad should be fined heavily, as with a false 911 call.

I'm sick of the bomb squad getting called on bags of swag at Gencon or heart-shaped tins of Chocolate. What did you THINK is in there, you dripping imbecile?
 
2010-01-16 10:41:20 AM  
FTFA: technology-oriented magnet school

You're doing it wrong.
 
2010-01-16 10:41:22 AM  
Hater: Yeah...the news story left a lot out. The truth is, the child ain't right.

Well.....?
 
2010-01-16 10:42:47 AM  
ZeroCorpse: eddyatwork: The kid has learned three lessons that are very important here.

1. The nail that stands tallest gets hammered down first.
2. No matter how much you explain something to an administrator they'll never get it.
3. Being intelligent is a punishment.

If the kid had made a crappy diorama none of this would have happened.

Yeah. A big THIS. At least, that has been my experience.

That's why I became an entropy-worshiping nihilist. I figured that the only way I could get along in this world without being accosted or reviled would be to out-doomsay the doomsayers.

So far it has worked. `Perhaps too well.

I tried the whole "Show off how smart I am" thing in middle school, and I was completely cured of it by high school, thanks to teachers and administrators who were threatened by my existence. Even in the adult world, I've learned that most people don't like someone who is noticeably intelligent; They prefer their peers, superiors, and/or underlings to be as dim as they are, and suffer the delusion that they themselves are the smartest monkey in their office, because they picked more fleas this week than anyone else.

/Resents stupid people.
//And I'm positive they resent me, too.


You sound like one of those pessimistic, lonely people that can't can't function socially and grow up falsely believing that they are smarter than everyone else.
 
2010-01-16 10:43:45 AM  
maceinator: you can't buy a chemistry set for your kids anymore. Pretty much every field of scientific study will get you smacked down. Computers? You're a hacker! Electronics? Bombs! Chemistry? Bombs! Engineering? Bombs! Biology? Biological warfare! Physics? Nuclear bombs!

And then the government wonders why the hell we have a shortage of science majors in college. That shiat is what gets kids interested in that science stuff.
 
2010-01-16 10:44:01 AM  
fredklein: Just like the TSA confiscates your 'dangerous' bottled water... then dumps it in a trash can right next to them.

I've noticed the only thing they don't dump is duty-free booze. They have other plans for that, the twats.
 
2010-01-16 10:46:01 AM  
EngineerAU: The Pentagon recently released a report stating that the small number of students going into science and engineering fields constitues a grave security threat to the country. So... can we have the vice-principal who overreacted sent to Gitmo for endangering the future of the United States of America?

Where do I sign the petition?
 
2010-01-16 10:46:14 AM  
ZeroCorpse: eddyatwork: The kid has learned three lessons that are very important here.

1. The nail that stands tallest gets hammered down first.
2. No matter how much you explain something to an administrator they'll never get it.
3. Being intelligent is a punishment.

If the kid had made a crappy diorama none of this would have happened.

Yeah. A big THIS. At least, that has been my experience.

That's why I became an entropy-worshiping nihilist. I figured that the only way I could get along in this world without being accosted or reviled would be to out-doomsay the doomsayers.

So far it has worked. `Perhaps too well.

I tried the whole "Show off how smart I am" thing in middle school, and I was completely cured of it by high school, thanks to teachers and administrators who were threatened by my existence. Even in the adult world, I've learned that most people don't like someone who is noticeably intelligent; They prefer their peers, superiors, and/or underlings to be as dim as they are, and suffer the delusion that they themselves are the smartest monkey in their office, because they picked more fleas this week than anyone else.

/Resents stupid people.
//And I'm positive they resent me, too.


How come why I be accosted by made fun of in threads about employees mention tell on boss that not know what do how to work technology devices equipment programming languages that revelent make do the project?
 
2010-01-16 10:46:43 AM  
Not tech or math related, but my wife just had an ENTIRE college class not be able to tell what she wrote on the board because it was in cursive. It was two words, and she has very good handwriting.
 
2010-01-16 10:47:30 AM  
And I noticed I misspelled a word AFTER I hit Submit.
/takes second sip of coffee
//goes for 3rd
 
2010-01-16 10:48:29 AM  
ZeroCorpse: eddyatwork: The kid has learned three lessons that are very important here.

1. The nail that stands tallest gets hammered down first.
2. No matter how much you explain something to an administrator they'll never get it.
3. Being intelligent is a punishment.

If the kid had made a crappy diorama none of this would have happened.

Yeah. A big THIS. At least, that has been my experience.

That's why I became an entropy-worshiping nihilist. I figured that the only way I could get along in this world without being accosted or reviled would be to out-doomsay the doomsayers.

So far it has worked. `Perhaps too well.

I tried the whole "Show off how smart I am" thing in middle school, and I was completely cured of it by high school, thanks to teachers and administrators who were threatened by my existence. Even in the adult world, I've learned that most people don't like someone who is noticeably intelligent; They prefer their peers, superiors, and/or underlings to be as dim as they are, and suffer the delusion that they themselves are the smartest monkey in their office, because they picked more fleas this week than anyone else.

/Resents stupid people.
//And I'm positive they resent me, too.


After reading your post, and viewing your profile, I want you to know that my heart bleeds for you.

About a drop once per century.

I suspect that most of your problems with the 'stupid" people around you are due to their perception that you are a self-important twat who would only be happy if he were Lord and Master of the universe.

Get over yourself.
 
2010-01-16 10:52:49 AM  
ZeroCorpse: eddyatwork: The kid has learned three lessons that are very important here.

1. The nail that stands tallest gets hammered down first.
2. No matter how much you explain something to an administrator they'll never get it.
3. Being intelligent is a punishment.

If the kid had made a crappy diorama none of this would have happened.

Yeah. A big THIS. At least, that has been my experience.

That's why I became an entropy-worshiping nihilist. I figured that the only way I could get along in this world without being accosted or reviled would be to out-doomsay the doomsayers.

So far it has worked. `Perhaps too well.

I tried the whole "Show off how smart I am" thing in middle school, and I was completely cured of it by high school, thanks to teachers and administrators who were threatened by my existence. Even in the adult world, I've learned that most people don't like someone who is noticeably intelligent; They prefer their peers, superiors, and/or underlings to be as dim as they are, and suffer the delusion that they themselves are the smartest monkey in their office, because they picked more fleas this week than anyone else.

/Resents stupid people.
//And I'm positive they resent me, too.


News letter please.
\Helped my daughter make a diorama of Jamestown Fort {clay ramps, twigs for walls, and cannon]. Cool-won a prize.
 
2010-01-16 10:52:56 AM  
MacGabhain: Not tech or math related, but my wife just had an ENTIRE college class not be able to tell what she wrote on the board because it was in cursive. It was two words, and she has very good handwriting

Yeah, not taught anymore. My nephews, in college:

- can barely write legibly in block letters,
- can't solve for 'x' in x+5=13 (seriously),
- can't read or write cursive; a signature is a graphical image to them. They "sign" their names in block letters.

We have a very deep hole to dig out of. It will take decades to get back where we were, and that will still put us behind the rest of the world.
 
2010-01-16 10:54:40 AM  
maceinator: MacGabhain: Not tech or math related, but my wife just had an ENTIRE college class not be able to tell what she wrote on the board because it was in cursive. It was two words, and she has very good handwriting

Yeah, not taught anymore. My nephews, in college:

- can barely write legibly in block letters,
- can't solve for 'x' in x+5=13 (seriously),
- can't read or write cursive; a signature is a graphical image to them. They "sign" their names in block letters.

We have a very deep hole to dig out of. It will take decades to get back where we were, and that will still put us behind the rest of the world.


The only one that doesn't belong in that sequence is writing in cursive. Seriously, it's a dead art, like speaking latin. There is no reason beyond curiosity for it to be taught nowadays.
 
2010-01-16 10:55:05 AM  
when your highest politicians, your educators and administrators are all completely to-the-bone stupid

i don't hold out much hope for the USA

it really IS full of fat pansy-assed morons
from bottom to top
 
2010-01-16 10:55:50 AM  
aagrajag: Home of the brave, indeed.

You yanks weren't always such pussies. What happened, man? You used to be cool.


These are school administrators, not normal people.
 
2010-01-16 10:56:05 AM  
Nearby Gompers High School

I know who Samuel Gompers was but it's still funny to me. Gompers would be an excellent name for a Basset Hound, or a victorian disease.
 
2010-01-16 10:56:09 AM  
bookman: /Resents stupid people.
//And I'm positive they resent me, too.

After reading your post, and viewing your profile, I want you to know that my heart bleeds for you.

About a drop once per century.

I suspect that most of your problems with the 'stupid" people around you are due to their perception that you are a self-important twat who would only be happy if he were Lord and Master of the universe.

Get over yourself.


Translation: Prepare to be pwned.

wapedia.mobi /red hot
 
2010-01-16 10:56:10 AM  
Science fair day must be a busy one for the bomb squad. Do you think they show up automatically, or do they wait for dozens of franic 911 calls?
 
2010-01-16 10:56:59 AM  
I wonder if the school had blown up, how many of you would be blaming the administrator for not doing more to stop it?
 
2010-01-16 10:57:01 AM  
maceinator: - can't read or write cursive; a signature is a graphical image to them. They "sign" their names in block letters.

Reading it yes, but cursive writing is a pain especially when it's so much faster to type.
 
2010-01-16 10:57:09 AM  
MacGabhain: Not tech or math related, but my wife just had an ENTIRE college class not be able to tell what she wrote on the board because it was in cursive. It was two words, and she has very good handwriting.

Next time tell her to write it in Nahnu.
/Nahnu
 
2010-01-16 10:58:16 AM  
The personnel then confiscated it

What in the fark for?
 
2010-01-16 10:58:30 AM  
MacGabhain: Not tech or math related, but my wife just had an ENTIRE college class not be able to tell what she wrote on the board because it was in cursive. It was two words, and she has very good handwriting.

Just curious if the two words were"supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" and "floccinauccinihilipilification".
 
2010-01-16 10:59:47 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

/not amused
//seriously no one posted this yet??
 
2010-01-16 10:59:52 AM  
TsukasaK: maceinator: MacGabhain: Not tech or math related, but my wife just had an ENTIRE college class not be able to tell what she wrote on the board because it was in cursive. It was two words, and she has very good handwriting

Yeah, not taught anymore. My nephews, in college:

- can barely write legibly in block letters,
- can't solve for 'x' in x+5=13 (seriously),
- can't read or write cursive; a signature is a graphical image to them. They "sign" their names in block letters.

We have a very deep hole to dig out of. It will take decades to get back where we were, and that will still put us behind the rest of the world.

The only one that doesn't belong in that sequence is writing in cursive. Seriously, it's a dead art, like speaking latin. There is no reason beyond curiosity for it to be taught nowadays.


'Fraid I have to agree here. I learned cursive quite well in school, and my handwriting has long since become a grab-bag of printing, cursive and various ligatures and digraphs that no one else can read. I couldn't write a majuscule "Q" to save my life.

My calligraphy's pretty good, though.
 
2010-01-16 10:59:55 AM  
TsukasaK: The only one that doesn't belong in that sequence is writing in cursive. Seriously, it's a dead art, like speaking latin. There is no reason beyond curiosity for it to be taught nowadays.

Says the guy fresh out out of college.
 
2010-01-16 11:01:15 AM  
thamike: fredklein: Just like the TSA confiscates your 'dangerous' bottled water... then dumps it in a trash can right next to them.

I've noticed the only thing they don't dump is duty-free booze. They have other plans for that, the twats.


it's almost worth putting something icky into the booze if you know the TSA goons are just gonna steal it for themselves....
 
2010-01-16 11:03:00 AM  
Weaver95: thamike: fredklein: Just like the TSA confiscates your 'dangerous' bottled water... then dumps it in a trash can right next to them.

I've noticed the only thing they don't dump is duty-free booze. They have other plans for that, the twats.

it's almost worth putting something icky into the booze if you know the TSA goons are just gonna steal it for themselves....


I like your ideas, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter so I have something to read in jail.
 
2010-01-16 11:03:16 AM  
9-11-2001: my son was sitting in his high-school physics class. Some kid ran in the door and said, "Hey, a plane hit the World Trade Center!"

So the physics teacher turns on the classroom TV just as the second plane hits.

After about a minute, the physics teacher turns off the TV and says, "well, that will be on the news when you get home. Let's get back to Boyle's Law."

And THAT is the mindset that puts smart kids in detention.
 
2010-01-16 11:04:10 AM  
thelordofcheese: A guy from CMU was detained and questioned at CVS because his home-made GPS unit had a battery pack.

That's right: in a neighborhood filled with high-tech students this white guy who was openly carrying a device had what was considered a suspicious object because it required portable electrical energy.

And the reason he was let go without further investigation? The object had a Windows CE logo on it.

You are safe, citizen. The government is watching.


was this in Squill or the one on Forbes? The one on Forbes I could kinda see being concerned about bombs and stuff...

//I miss South Oakland... there, I said it
 
2010-01-16 11:04:31 AM  
aagrajag: Weaver95: thamike: fredklein: Just like the TSA confiscates your 'dangerous' bottled water... then dumps it in a trash can right next to them.

I've noticed the only thing they don't dump is duty-free booze. They have other plans for that, the twats.

it's almost worth putting something icky into the booze if you know the TSA goons are just gonna steal it for themselves....

I like your ideas, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter so I have something to read in jail.


I hate those TSA farktards as much as the next guy, but how the fark did this thread deteriorate into a TSA bashing rant?
 
2010-01-16 11:05:18 AM  
Ya know, I'm beginning to wonder if we need to set up something similar to "Free Enterprise Zones" like they have in China, except that we'll set up "Freedom Zones", composed of certain midwest states where SWAT teams, bomb squads, ATF, DEA, and other oppressive entities (like large, stupid school systems) are BANNED, and where chemistry sets, electronic parts, and other cool stuff are easily available. A Darwinian stew, to be sure, but the survivors would be America's only hope for survival...

/engineer over 50
//made and detonated homemand gunpowder at nine
///has sweet Military-industrial complex job
\\\retiring in three years
\\you're on your own, biatches!
\final slashie for obsessive-compulsive completeness
 
2010-01-16 11:05:54 AM  
DarthBrooks: THAT is the mindset that puts smart kids in detention.

That and smart kids are more likely to question things and make the teachers and admins look like fools, at least until they learn to keep their head down when they get punished.
 
2010-01-16 11:06:28 AM  
DarthBrooks: 9-11-2001: my son was sitting in his high-school physics class. Some kid ran in the door and said, "Hey, a plane hit the World Trade Center!"

So the physics teacher turns on the classroom TV just as the second plane hits.

After about a minute, the physics teacher turns off the TV and says, "well, that will be on the news when you get home. Let's get back to Boyle's Law."

And THAT is the mindset that puts smart kids in detention.


The resulting explosion was a perfect example of Boyle's Law in action. The teacher failed to realize it and lost a perfect opportunity to teach. That is what's wrong with education today.
 
2010-01-16 11:06:30 AM  
Pay the Man: aagrajag: Weaver95: thamike: fredklein: Just like the TSA confiscates your 'dangerous' bottled water... then dumps it in a trash can right next to them.

I've noticed the only thing they don't dump is duty-free booze. They have other plans for that, the twats.

it's almost worth putting something icky into the booze if you know the TSA goons are just gonna steal it for themselves....

I like your ideas, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter so I have something to read in jail.

I hate those TSA farktards as much as the next guy, but how the fark did this thread deteriorate into a TSA bashing rant?


I think the loathing is bubbling just below the surface in all civilised people...
 
2010-01-16 11:06:54 AM  
Weaver95: thamike: fredklein: Just like the TSA confiscates your 'dangerous' bottled water... then dumps it in a trash can right next to them.

I've noticed the only thing they don't dump is duty-free booze. They have other plans for that, the twats.

it's almost worth putting something icky into the booze if you know the TSA goons are just gonna steal it for themselves....


disulfiram sounds about right
 
2010-01-16 11:07:32 AM  
eddyatwork: DarthBrooks: THAT is the mindset that puts smart kids in detention.

That and smart kids are more likely to question things and make the teachers and admins look like fools, at least until they learn to keep their head down when they get punished.


all that does is teach smart kids how to lie. which will come in handy later in life when they decide to undermine the small minded and petty authoritarians they'll meet.
 
2010-01-16 11:07:42 AM  
cfletch13: You sound like one of those pessimistic, lonely people that can't can't function socially and grow up falsely believing that they are smarter than everyone else.

Um, I think he sounds like an "average Farker"
 
2010-01-16 11:09:05 AM  
mrEdude: when your highest politicians, your educators and administrators are all completely to-the-bone stupid


stupid people are a politicians wet dream, they are more easily molded into whatever the politician wants them to be, and generally they do not question what the magic moving pictures box tells them.

The politicians do not want smarter people so there is little reason to actually fix the school system. The teachers unions do not want smarter people because they may decide that unions are dumb for public schools, unless the unions are claiming that the government is screwing over the people and if so why are they not teaching that??

The unions get a cut of the paychecks of their members, in essence the teachers pay to work. The unions want harder to fire teachers, better paid teachers, and no real standards for how well the teach (they have openly opposed using student performance to grade a teacher). Stupid people do not question the role of the teachers union, they do not question the quality of the schools, they just accept what they are told.
 
2010-01-16 11:13:54 AM  
Anodos: thelordofcheese: A guy from CMU was detained and questioned at CVS because his home-made GPS unit had a battery pack.

That's right: in a neighborhood filled with high-tech students this white guy who was openly carrying a device had what was considered a suspicious object because it required portable electrical energy.

And the reason he was let go without further investigation? The object had a Windows CE logo on it.

You are safe, citizen. The government is watching.

was this in Squill or the one on Forbes? The one on Forbes I could kinda see being concerned about bombs and stuff...

//I miss South Oakland... there, I said it


They're both on Forbes ;p.

Yeah, but this was the one down by... hmmm, not Sennot... down the street. Around the corner from the OTHER CVS which is right beside the state store.

It was a KGB member. Explains quite a bit.
/I shoulda gone to their activity last night
//even though I'm not a student
///I guess I'll hit up their meeting Monday
 
2010-01-16 11:14:00 AM  
thelordofcheese: A guy from CMU was detained and questioned at CVS because his home-made GPS unit had a battery pack.

That's right: in a neighborhood filled with high-tech students this white guy who was openly carrying a device had what was considered a suspicious object because it required portable electrical energy.

And the reason he was let go without further investigation? The object had a Windows CE logo on it.

You are safe, citizen. The government is watching.


Had it been running Linux the FBI would have been called. Command line driven OS's have been deemed a threat to national security.
 
2010-01-16 11:15:14 AM  
cfletch13: ZeroCorpse: That's why I became an entropy-worshiping nihilist. I figured that the only way I could get along in this world without being accosted or reviled would be to out-doomsay the doomsayers.

So far it has worked. `Perhaps too well.

I tried the whole "Show off how smart I am" thing in middle school, and I was completely cured of it by high school, thanks to teachers and administrators who were threatened by my existence. Even in the adult world, I've learned that most people don't like someone who is noticeably intelligent; They prefer their peers, superiors, and/or underlings to be as dim as they are, and suffer the delusion that they themselves are the smartest monkey in their office, because they picked more fleas this week than anyone else.

/Resents stupid people.
//And I'm positive they resent me, too.

You sound like one of those pessimistic, lonely people that can't can't function socially and grow up falsely believing that they are smarter than everyone else.


I was thinking the same thing until I got to the underlined part. I've worked in that type of environment and it's no fun at all, though it is amusingly stupid if you're on the outside looking in.
 
2010-01-16 11:15:34 AM  
FTF: Officials decided to call in the explosives team to look over the object - which an administrator had confiscated and taken into a principal's office - as a precaution.

that's just as bad as the stupid TSA who collect items which they have evaluated as potentially lethal in a farking garbage can. if it presents any kind of threat to you, why are you handling it so insouciantly?
 
2010-01-16 11:16:02 AM  
trixter_nl: stupid people are a politicians wet dream

True. Ever notice how both parties say they want better education but neither will ever do anything substantive? That's not an accident.
 
2010-01-16 11:16:19 AM  
I have a cheap laptop I bought about four years ago, being that I am rough with some thing, s i't been though alot, but repaired.

Repairs include a new LCD backlight (I opened the panel and replaced the light), and external wifi antennas, with power sliced off a USB connector. Foil tape holds the external wires in place

Needless to say every one who sees it is leary of the Franken-laptop, I porbably can't make it through airport security with it...

can takes pics iif you want'em
 
2010-01-16 11:17:12 AM  
thelordofcheese: Anodos: thelordofcheese: A guy from CMU was detained and questioned at CVS because his home-made GPS unit had a battery pack.

That's right: in a neighborhood filled with high-tech students this white guy who was openly carrying a device had what was considered a suspicious object because it required portable electrical energy.

And the reason he was let go without further investigation? The object had a Windows CE logo on it.

You are safe, citizen. The government is watching.

was this in Squill or the one on Forbes? The one on Forbes I could kinda see being concerned about bombs and stuff...

//I miss South Oakland... there, I said it

They're both on Forbes ;p.

Yeah, but this was the one down by... hmmm, not Sennot... down the street. Around the corner from the OTHER CVS which is right beside the state store.

It was a KGB member. Explains quite a bit.
/I shoulda gone to their activity last night
//even though I'm not a student
///I guess I'll hit up their meeting Monday


oh man, I forgot about the one next to the state store... I thought that was a Rite-Aid... you mean the one near Dave and Andy's, right?

But "the other one" is obviously the one on Halket...

/went to Pitt, but half-lived on CMU's campus
//your people weren't farktards, and did the most amazing stuff on your lawn
///wish I had known about CMU, I would have applied out of HS
 
2010-01-16 11:17:44 AM  
7wolf: I'd be much more worried about the pulse rifle.

Game over man, game over.
 
2010-01-16 11:20:34 AM  
TsukasaK: MacGa

aagrajag: TsukasaK: maceinator: MacGabhain: Not tech or math related, but my wife just had an ENTIRE college class not be able to tell what she wrote on the board because it was in cursive. It was two words, and she has very good handwriting

Yeah, not taught anymore. My nephews, in college:

- can barely write legibly in block letters,
- can't solve for 'x' in x+5=13 (seriously),
- can't read or write cursive; a signature is a graphical image to them. They "sign" their names in block letters.

We have a very deep hole to dig out of. It will take decades to get back where we were, and that will still put us behind the rest of the world.

The only one that doesn't belong in that sequence is writing in cursive. Seriously, it's a dead art, like speaking latin. There is no reason beyond curiosity for it to be taught nowadays.

'Fraid I have to agree here. I learned cursive quite well in school, and my handwriting has long since become a grab-bag of printing, cursive and various ligatures and digraphs that no one else can read. I couldn't write a majuscule "Q" to save my life.

My calligraphy's pretty good, though.


Comes in pretty handy to be able to read it when other people write it, however. I'm not saying we should return to spending an hour a day writing interconnected "o"s to train our muscles to write neatly (my mother did this in grade school around 1940), but they couldn't read the phrase "Perfect Pizza".
 
2010-01-16 11:26:28 AM  
xaverianbob: thelordofcheese: A guy from CMU was detained and questioned at CVS because his home-made GPS unit had a battery pack.

That's right: in a neighborhood filled with high-tech students this white guy who was openly carrying a device had what was considered a suspicious object because it required portable electrical energy.

And the reason he was let go without further investigation? The object had a Windows CE logo on it.

You are safe, citizen. The government is watching.

Had it been running Linux the FBI would have been called. Command line driven OS's have been deemed a threat to national security.


So what should I do when a SCP and SSH into my router running (BusyBox [ASH]) OpenWrt instead of using the X-WRT web-based GUI?
/which I carry around in my backpack
//with my laptop
///and BackTrack 3, Ophcrack, a USB WiFi NIC, COFEE, DECAF...
 
2010-01-16 11:27:40 AM  
eddyatwork: The thing that is chilling to me today about schools is how they are training people to live in a prison mentality where all independent thought must be crushed instantly in the guise of safety and all spirit must be destroyed by meaningless rules that accomplish nothing.

I think I read that book in AP English
 
2010-01-16 11:28:58 AM  
If you honestly think something might be a bomb, you're a god damn idiot if you touch it or move it.

THIS! It was at this point in the article that I figured out that something else was up, because if they had thought it was a bomb they would have evacuated the school as per standard procedure. You have to wonder - if this is the 'tech' magnet school, how afraid of technology they are at the other places.
 
2010-01-16 11:30:33 AM  
stickintehmud: eddyatwork: The thing that is chilling to me today about schools is how they are training people to live in a prison mentality where all independent thought must be crushed instantly in the guise of safety and all spirit must be destroyed by meaningless rules that accomplish nothing.

I think I read that book in AP English


you mean the one where they dispense subsidized psychoactive medications that make you blank out for extensive periods of time? or make non-promiscuity something to be ashamed of/called out for by social peers? or de-emphasize durability in favor of consumption? or replace simple entertainments with ever increasingly technologically complex games?
 
2010-01-16 11:35:34 AM  
mark12A: Ya know, I'm beginning to wonder if we need to set up something similar to "Free Enterprise Zones" like they have in China, except that we'll set up "Freedom Zones", composed of certain midwest states where SWAT teams, bomb squads, ATF, DEA, and other oppressive entities (like large, stupid school systems) are BANNED, and where chemistry sets, electronic parts, and other cool stuff are easily available. A Darwinian stew, to be sure, but the survivors would be America's only hope for survival...

FTA This kid could have been me. In third grade I brought in a contraption to test filaments for a new light bulb. My reasoning was something like this, "Edison lived long ago, maybe some new material he never tested could make a better light bulb filament." Mainly I though it was cool. So, it was a bottle, two electrodes, a thermal cut-off and an electric train transformer to drive the current. No one helped me and it worked. The teacher loved it.

Although I grew up in San Diego, I graduated long ago. Today, I would be in detention.

The main emphasis on K-12 teachers now is their evaluations of the students. That has broken the system. In my opinion the K-12 system could be corrected if the teachers were only responsible for teaching and some other group were responsible for student evaluation.
 
2010-01-16 11:35:42 AM  
I accurately guessed "either California or Massachusetts" before clicking the link!
 
2010-01-16 11:36:40 AM  
maceinator: Says the guy fresh out out of college.

I don't know where you work, but I have never had a boss ask for something in cursive, its not as useful as say having the information in spreadsheet. If the contents were put into a cursive font I'm pretty sure they'd think I was messing with them.
 
2010-01-16 11:38:52 AM  
When my brother was in high school in the mid-70s, he and his friend Bob made a "time bomb" as a gift for their physics teacher. The "bomb" consisted of a broken alarm clock, a dead 6-volt battery, some wires, and cardboard tubes filled with putty and painted red for the "dynamite". The teacher thought it was amusing, and kept it on his desk for a while. Bob's younger brother Will thought it was cool too, so he decided to take it from the teacher's desk and put it in his locker, intending to take it home later that day. When the custodian, who was doing "routine maintenance" (i.e. checking for drugs in the locker) found the "bomb", he freaked and called the cops. Will ended up being suspended for a week for having a "bomb" in his locker, notwithstanding the fact that the "bomb" had been sitting in plain sight on the teacher's desk for weeks.

/plus la change, plus la meme chose
 
2010-01-16 11:40:09 AM  
Anodos: stickintehmud: eddyatwork: The thing that is chilling to me today about schools is how they are training people to live in a prison mentality where all independent thought must be crushed instantly in the guise of safety and all spirit must be destroyed by meaningless rules that accomplish nothing.

I think I read that book in AP English

you mean the one where they dispense subsidized psychoactive medications that make you blank out for extensive periods of time? or make non-promiscuity something to be ashamed of/called out for by social peers? or de-emphasize durability in favor of consumption? or replace simple entertainments with ever increasingly technologically complex games?


I think he means Harrison Bergeron.
 
2010-01-16 11:41:26 AM  
Fano: Anodos: stickintehmud: eddyatwork: The thing that is chilling to me today about schools is how they are training people to live in a prison mentality where all independent thought must be crushed instantly in the guise of safety and all spirit must be destroyed by meaningless rules that accomplish nothing.

I think I read that book in AP English

you mean the one where they dispense subsidized psychoactive medications that make you blank out for extensive periods of time? or make non-promiscuity something to be ashamed of/called out for by social peers? or de-emphasize durability in favor of consumption? or replace simple entertainments with ever increasingly technologically complex games?

I think he means Harrison Bergeron.


wasn't that a short story? like, by many standards a pretty short story?

/not important... we're headed towards something of both anyway...
 
2010-01-16 11:44:09 AM  
Anodos: stickintehmud: eddyatwork: The thing that is chilling to me today about schools is how they are training people to live in a prison mentality where all independent thought must be crushed instantly in the guise of safety and all spirit must be destroyed by meaningless rules that accomplish nothing.

I think I read that book in AP English

you mean the one where they dispense subsidized psychoactive medications that make you blank out for extensive periods of time? or make non-promiscuity something to be ashamed of/called out for by social peers? or de-emphasize durability in favor of consumption? or replace simple entertainments with ever increasingly technologically complex games?


Gooble Gobble! We accept you! One of us! One of us!
 
2010-01-16 11:44:10 AM  
Delay:
The main emphasis on K-12 teachers now is their evaluations of the students. That has broken the system. In my opinion the K-12 system could be corrected if the teachers were only responsible for teaching and some other group were responsible for student evaluation.

That would make sense. Almost every where else has an external groupwatching to ensure the job is getting done.

Half the teachers don't know what they're teaching out of the book. The only reason they're still in a class room is the fact that they need a job and can't do anything else.

Most industries will send people back to school to learn new skills relevant to their job, not teachers though. If only there was a 2 month window every year when there was time to do this.....
 
2010-01-16 11:45:19 AM  
Anodos: thelordofcheese: Anodos: thelordofcheese: A guy from CMU was detained and questioned at CVS because his home-made GPS unit had a battery pack.

That's right: in a neighborhood filled with high-tech students this white guy who was openly carrying a device had what was considered a suspicious object because it required portable electrical energy.

And the reason he was let go without further investigation? The object had a Windows CE logo on it.

You are safe, citizen. The government is watching.

was this in Squill or the one on Forbes? The one on Forbes I could kinda see being concerned about bombs and stuff...

//I miss South Oakland... there, I said it

They're both on Forbes ;p.

Yeah, but this was the one down by... hmmm, not Sennot... down the street. Around the corner from the OTHER CVS which is right beside the state store.

It was a KGB member. Explains quite a bit.
/I shoulda gone to their activity last night
//even though I'm not a student
///I guess I'll hit up their meeting Monday

oh man, I forgot about the one next to the state store... I thought that was a Rite-Aid... you mean the one near Dave and Andy's, right?

But "the other one" is obviously the one on Halket...

/went to Pitt, but half-lived on CMU's campus
//your people weren't farktards, and did the most amazing stuff on your lawn
///wish I had known about CMU, I would have applied out of HS


Too expensive for me. The academic decathlon people in my HS were all my friends and got free rides to Gannon, and because of that and the fact that I helped establish (re- actually) the computer club in HS during the .com bubble I got a nice package. Worked in ITS as well, but made sure to work the Thurs night shift b/c NO ONE called in. Went to work high a lot, then hit the parties.

Transferred to a state school closer to home. Met my (now) ex there, and moved to pgh where she became a children's librarian and CLP in SqHl. I used to do hardware repair at Pitt, then QA at UPMC until Feb. She works in a bookstore in the middle of Madison and I'm unemploye, though I had an interview last week. A previous post kinda explains why I don't work for a ""non-profit" corporation anymore.
/I coulda just lied to the administration like the systems analyst does
//he gave me a recommendation
///but I don't feel comfortable lying
////I thought MAYBE making notes, ad appending justifications, would persuade them to make improvements to not just their systems but their employees skills as well
\last interview was for a small, local web dev company
 
2010-01-16 11:45:28 AM  
Thank you Bush, it takes a special man to tap the vast stupidity and fear the general public has.
 
2010-01-16 11:45:35 AM  
Pay the Man: I hate those TSA farktards as much as the next guy, but how the fark did this thread deteriorate into a TSA bashing rant?

Because you Hopey McChange libtards insist that driving cars and eating bacon is going to kill us all, so why don't we just pay the lazy arsed poor people to stay home and take drugs so they can murder the hard working patriots that support them in their sleep for money to buy hookers and blow with.

/like that.
\\did I leave anything out??
//oh yeah
\Tila Tequila is a alien looking my space dwarf slut that heels her shiat down the drain.
 
2010-01-16 11:45:57 AM  
But it had WIRES!!!!
 
2010-01-16 11:46:11 AM  
Fano: I think he means Harrison Bergeron.

I actually wasn't referring to any literary works but there are three I can apply:

1. Harrison Bergeron - NCLB ensuring nobody feels like a loser. Or a winner.
2. 1984 - mindcrime (writing in a diary can get you arrested)
3. Brave New World - Soma is being over dispensed in young people to calm them.
 
2010-01-16 11:46:28 AM  
I just emailed the school:
You are what is wrong with education, with this country, and with humanity. Kindly remove yourself from all of the above.
 
2010-01-16 11:47:55 AM  
mark12A: Ya know, I'm beginning to wonder if we need to set up something similar to "Free Enterprise Zones" like they have in China, except that we'll set up "Freedom Zones", composed of certain midwest states where SWAT teams, bomb squads, ATF, DEA, and other oppressive entities (like large, stupid school systems) are BANNED, and where chemistry sets, electronic parts, and other cool stuff are easily available. A Darwinian stew, to be sure, but the survivors would be America's only hope for survival...

/engineer over 50
//made and detonated homemand gunpowder at nine
///has sweet Military-industrial complex job
\\\retiring in three years
\\you're on your own, biatches!
\final slashie for obsessive-compulsive completeness


Larry Niven's Anarchy Park.
 
2010-01-16 11:48:05 AM  
bookman: ZeroCorpse: eddyatwork: The kid has learned three lessons that are very important here.

1. The nail that stands tallest gets hammered down first.
2. No matter how much you explain something to an administrator they'll never get it.
3. Being intelligent is a punishment.

If the kid had made a crappy diorama none of this would have happened.

Yeah. A big THIS. At least, that has been my experience.

That's why I became an entropy-worshiping nihilist. I figured that the only way I could get along in this world without being accosted or reviled would be to out-doomsay the doomsayers.

So far it has worked. `Perhaps too well.

I tried the whole "Show off how smart I am" thing in middle school, and I was completely cured of it by high school, thanks to teachers and administrators who were threatened by my existence. Even in the adult world, I've learned that most people don't like someone who is noticeably intelligent; They prefer their peers, superiors, and/or underlings to be as dim as they are, and suffer the delusion that they themselves are the smartest monkey in their office, because they picked more fleas this week than anyone else.

/Resents stupid people.
//And I'm positive they resent me, too.

After reading your post, and viewing your profile, I want you to know that my heart bleeds for you.

About a drop once per century.

I suspect that most of your problems with the 'stupid" people around you are due to their perception that you are a self-important twat who would only be happy if he were Lord and Master of the universe.

Get over yourself.


1) No, his profile doesn't. 2) Projection. 3) Your post was a lame and pointless.
 
2010-01-16 11:51:36 AM  
djemonk: I love how they determined it was a harmless science project and then confiscated it.

there is only one solution
close 100% of the schools. forever.
it is the only way to be 100% safe.

home school over the internet for everyone

/YAY - now we are safe!!!
 
2010-01-16 11:53:40 AM  
In the school's defense, there's nothing in the article that says it was for a science project..it was just a device that the kid brought in from home. Sure, it was a "technology-oriented" school, and it's possible that kids there are encouraged to bring their inventions all the time, but I'm hesitant to blast the school for their initial reaction.

Of course, I didn't see the need to confiscate it after it was deemed harmless.
 
2010-01-16 11:57:50 AM  
crazypete: That would make sense. Almost every where else has an external groupwatching to ensure the job is getting done.

Half the teachers don't know what they're teaching out of the book. The only reason they're still in a class room is the fact that they need a job and can't do anything else.

Most industries will send people back to school to learn new skills relevant to their job, not teachers though. If only there was a 2 month window every year when there was time to do this.....


that's crazy talk pete!

0) disband all teachers unions. period. sucks to be you.
1) fire bad teachers
2) fire bad admins/principals
3) fire disruptive students (sorry, you are an attention whore 5 times? fark off)
4) seperate the kids by desire/ability
5) stop funding the schools with local taxes and switch to state taxes.
6) pay the farking teachers already

/I would never switch to being a teacher, couldnt take that big of a pay cut.
 
2010-01-16 11:58:38 AM  
maceinator: MacGabhain: Not tech or math related, but my wife just had an ENTIRE college class not be able to tell what she wrote on the board because it was in cursive. It was two words, and she has very good handwriting

Yeah, not taught anymore. My nephews, in college:

- can barely write legibly in block letters,
- can't solve for 'x' in x+5=13 (seriously),
- can't read or write cursive; a signature is a graphical image to them. They "sign" their names in block letters.

We have a very deep hole to dig out of. It will take decades to get back where we were, and that will still put us behind the rest of the world.


If I ever get stuck having kids (god forbid) they are going to learn cursive (reading and writing). They are also going to get drilled in math with flash cards. I *will* take responsibility for their education. There is no WAY I'd trust an idiot school board to do it all.

/mom used flash cards with us
//THANKS MOM!
 
2010-01-16 11:58:58 AM  
I was tempted to fire up my under average brain and strike out at ZeroCorpse for his/her telling troll but several Farkers beat me to it and they did it well.

The article is a sad commentary on the state of the union. As several have said, if kids did today what we did as a kids they would somehow be labeled and have their life choices limited due to their independent thinking.

Relative to superiority complexes: Part of what I do is hire new-grad engineers. Engineers are generally pretty ego-centric when they realize what they may know compared to non-engineers. What they don't realize yet is that an engineer without funding is just a dreamer. Some of the schemes I've seen constructed to secure funding for a project were nothing short of brilliant and I for sure would have never thought of it. So smarts come in all colors and may not be obvious to me or you.

I am hyper sensitive to those who seem to actually believe non-engineers are dim or stupid and usually will not hire them because of the disturbance potential in a usually high pressure work environment involving all sorts of people. I would not hire ZC. Jerks are not welcome.

Yes, there are times when I dumb-down to fit in with the crowd. But there are also plenty of times when I sense someone dumbing-down to fit in with me. That is life.

This story is a sad commentary on the general lack of science education, PC and tort paranoia in school administrations. If the US needs more IT and engineering professionals, THEN PAY FOR IT. These are "skilled" vocations that many people cannot do and those who can spend a great deal of learnin' time progressing from Jr High science class to competent scientist/engineer/programmer/code writer/system nurse. Obviously their decisions are not as life or death-ish as a medical professional, but they can cause the loss of gudzillions of dollars or people's lives if they are wrong. They should be paid accordingly and they are not. Most engineers work for the pleasure of the task and appreciate that they have at least a middle class income. Guess who takes advantage of that mind-set . . . who's the smart one in this picture.

Enough of this crap, posting now and going to something else.
 
2010-01-16 12:05:34 PM  
0) disband all teachers unions. period. sucks to be you.
1) fire bad teachers
2) fire bad admins/principals
3) fire disruptive students (sorry, you are an attention whore 5 times? fark off)
4) seperate the kids by desire/ability
5) stop funding the schools with local taxes and switch to state taxes.
6) pay the farking teachers already


I don't know about number four.....
everything else seems to have merits

maybe number 3 should be to isolate disruptive students: A WEEK IN THE HOLE!
 
2010-01-16 12:06:07 PM  
eddyatwork: a prison mentality where all independent thought must be crushed instantly in the guise of safety and all spirit must be destroyed by meaningless rules that accomplish nothing.

Dude. Isn't that the TSA mission statement?
 
2010-01-16 12:07:33 PM  
Uhhh, the only real problem is that they confinscated it afterwards. If it was a bomb, you all would be biatching about how ineffective the administration is dealing with these situations. It's like airport security. If someone gets through with something, you say they aren't doing their job. If they want to screen more, you say you're being violated somehow.

This is not a big deal! I can't imagine what you guys would act like if you lived when knowledge really was oppressed.
 
2010-01-16 12:07:53 PM  
worthlessjuan: I was tempted to fire up my under average brain and strike out at ZeroCorpse for his/her telling troll but several Farkers beat me to it and they did it well.

The article is a sad commentary on the state of the union. As several have said, if kids did today what we did as a kids they would somehow be labeled and have their life choices limited due to their independent thinking.

Relative to superiority complexes: Part of what I do is hire new-grad engineers. Engineers are generally pretty ego-centric when they realize what they may know compared to non-engineers. What they don't realize yet is that an engineer without funding is just a dreamer. Some of the schemes I've seen constructed to secure funding for a project were nothing short of brilliant and I for sure would have never thought of it. So smarts come in all colors and may not be obvious to me or you.

I am hyper sensitive to those who seem to actually believe non-engineers are dim or stupid and usually will not hire them because of the disturbance potential in a usually high pressure work environment involving all sorts of people. I would not hire ZC. Jerks are not welcome.

Yes, there are times when I dumb-down to fit in with the crowd. But there are also plenty of times when I sense someone dumbing-down to fit in with me. That is life.

This story is a sad commentary on the general lack of science education, PC and tort paranoia in school administrations. If the US needs more IT and engineering professionals, THEN PAY FOR IT. These are "skilled" vocations that many people cannot do and those who can spend a great deal of learnin' time progressing from Jr High science class to competent scientist/engineer/programmer/code writer/system nurse. Obviously their decisions are not as life or death-ish as a medical professional, but they can cause the loss of gudzillions of dollars or people's lives if they are wrong. They should be paid accordingly and they are not. Most engineers work for the pleasure of the task and appreciate that they have at least a middle class income. Guess who takes advantage of that mind-set . . . who's the smart one in this picture.

Enough of this crap, posting now and going to something else.fark you. Never dumb down. You are part of the problem. There is a difference between dumbing down and teaching in a comprehensive and gradual basis. If someone doesn't have the ability or drive to keep up when education is offered then they should be left behind.
 
2010-01-16 12:08:35 PM  
thelordofcheese: And I noticed I misspelled a word AFTER I hit Submit.
/takes second sip of coffee
//goes for 3rd


how in hell did you do that. I might notice after I've hit submit, that I misspelled a word... but misspelling it after you hit submit? You're good....
 
2010-01-16 12:09:08 PM  
If it had been a bomb and they hadn't evacuated the school you'd all be singing a very different tune right now.

The real sad state of our country is that shiat like this gets blown out of proportion. I'll evacuate 1,000 schools needlessly before I let anything happen to one because I didn't want to cause a panic.

This doesn't have anything to do with a lack of "science education" or anything like that. Someone saw a suspicious object and reported it, so they evacuated the school.

The kid's probably a hero now to his friends for getting them out of class.
 
2010-01-16 12:12:42 PM  
dlewis6: Uhhh, the only real problem is that they confinscated it afterwards. If it was a bomb, you all would be biatching about how ineffective the administration is dealing with these situations. It's like airport security. If someone gets through with something, you say they aren't doing their job. If they want to screen more, you say you're being violated somehow.

This is not a big deal! I can't imagine what you guys would act like if you lived when knowledge really was oppressed.


suppressed. And it still is.

Also, I wholly don't agree with 4) either (since that is for what electives and college/trade schools are) and think 3) should be some sort of alternative, like attempting to find the reason of the disruption (there are school counselors, ya know).
 
2010-01-16 12:13:13 PM  
crazypete: 0) disband all teachers unions. period. sucks to be you.
1) fire bad teachers
2) fire bad admins/principals
3) fire disruptive students (sorry, you are an attention whore 5 times? fark off)
4) seperate the kids by desire/ability
5) stop funding the schools with local taxes and switch to state taxes.
6) pay the farking teachers already

I don't know about number four.....
everything else seems to have merits

maybe number 3 should be to isolate disruptive students: A WEEK IN THE HOLE!


the whole point of number 4 is that putting the DUMB kids with the SMART kids helps neither group.
putting the JOCKS with the ART and MUSIC nerds kids, just causes problems.

kids are NOT the same, they have different interests at different times

putting them all together hurts all of them, with a minimal amount of immersion bleed over.

some kids need a lot more attention in certain classes and the rest get held back.

by allowing the kids to excel in the things that they can excel in, will help them ... and by giving them extra help when needed, out of sight of the average and above average will remove the stigma of being a tard.

but yah, could only work in large school districts and would hurt the feelings of the parents whose kids where not jocks or brains or or or

/blargh
 
2010-01-16 12:13:14 PM  
dlewis6: I can't imagine what you guys would act like if you lived when knowledge really was oppressed.

Maybe it's because those of us who studied history are desperately trying to keep the torch of knowledge from sputtering out while people think it's no big deal that we are dumbing everything down.
 
2010-01-16 12:15:03 PM  
What a motion detector may look like:

www.technovelgy.com
 
2010-01-16 12:15:29 PM  
zepplinrules:
If it had been a bomb and they hadn't evacuated the school you'd all be singing a very different tune right now.

The real sad state of our country is that shiat like this gets blown out of proportion. I'll evacuate 1,000 schools needlessly before I let anything happen to one because I didn't want to cause a panic.

This doesn't have anything to do with a lack of "science education" or anything like that. Someone saw a suspicious object and reported it, so they evacuated the school.

The kid's probably a hero now to his friends for getting them out of class.


you reminded me of when I was in high school, there was two week period where some one would call the school with a bomb hoax, around the same time each day. I think it was code 35 on the intercom. The first time teachers scrambled to figure out code 35, then "calmly" moved us out to the bleachers. After the 1st week we figured it out and suggested that the fake bombs but a bomb in the bleachers before calling in the bomb treat.

Police finally traced the calls and found the guy, some worth ess drop out
 
2010-01-16 12:16:10 PM  
-worthless- that is
 
2010-01-16 12:16:43 PM  
zepplinrules: The kid's probably a hero now to his friends for getting them out of class.

true

but the problem with suspicious object, is that can be pretty much everything. lunch box bomb!!!
packpack bombs

/they are still running kids through metal detectors right??
/lawl
 
2010-01-16 12:18:56 PM  
Those that can, do.
Those that can't, teach.
Those that can't teach, administrate.
Those that can't administrate get elected.
 
2010-01-16 12:19:36 PM  
I agree that fake bomb threats waste time and reduce readiness, but this wasn't a fake bomb threat. Somebody (who may or may not be a complete idiot) really thought this was a bomb, and that needs to be taken seriously.
 
2010-01-16 12:21:57 PM  
So the took it to the principal's office, yet called in the bomb squad.

Are these people insane ? What makes you think you can just carry a bomb ?
 
2010-01-16 12:22:27 PM  
ElVee: Those that can, do.
Those that can't, teach.
Those that can't teach, administrate.
Those that can't administrate get elected.


Those that can't get elected have kids.
 
2010-01-16 12:22:52 PM  
FlukeBoy: Tila Tequila is a alien looking my space dwarf slut that heels her shiat down the drain.

Hey. That's not nice. Tila and Tom are my myspace friends.

crazypete: That would make sense. Almost everywhere else has an external group watching to ensure the job is getting done.

That too. Mainly, it would free up teachers' time for teaching. Just set up a basic syllabus and test the kids whenever they are ready. Once passed, let them do interesting stuff related to what they just learned.

There will always be those kids who choose to sit in the back of the class and eat paste, but this form of K-12 system would give the more imaginative kids a fighting chance. Here in California roughly half the kids that enter K-12 never graduate high school. The current system is clearly not working.
 
2010-01-16 12:23:31 PM  
thelordofcheese Quote 2010-01-16 12:07:53 PM

Enough of this crap, posting now and going to something else.fark you. Never dumb down. You are part of the problem. There is a difference between dumbing down and teaching in a comprehensive and gradual basis. If someone doesn't have the ability or drive to keep up when education is offered then they should be left behind.

I am sorry, I was talking about in a social environment, not professional environment. I guess I should have made it clear to all.

You are correct w/respect to work.

I don't believe you are correct when you are with friends, neighbors or strangers outside of the work environment. I could be wrong but I, at least, believe it is rude to make other people feel uncomfortable in a social setting.

Oh, and I do appreciate the "fark you" as a euphemism for "hello, I disagree".
 
2010-01-16 12:24:23 PM  
Coming on a Bicycle: So the took it to the principal's office, yet called in the bomb squad.

Are these people insane ? What makes you think you can just carry a bomb ?


yah, this is HOW we know for CERTAIN it was an idiot (or a number of idiots) were involved.

smart people know to call the police and RUN THE fark AWAY.

/anytime I see anything laying around, I call the police and report a suspicious "package"
/someone left a box by the bus stop, DANGEROUS!!!
 
2010-01-16 12:24:35 PM  
jehovahs witness protection: Somebody let women vote....and drive.

I see no problem with the driving part.

The voting allowance has really farked things up though.
 
2010-01-16 12:28:14 PM  
namatad

Those that can't get elected have kids.

Those that can't have kids shouldn't be allowed to marrry.

Marriage is for procreation. A childless marriage is against God.
 
2010-01-16 12:29:55 PM  
It wasn't a school sanctioned science project submittard, this kid just made it and brought it to school w/o their knowledge, so of coursed they freaked out.
 
2010-01-16 12:30:19 PM  
TomD9938: jehovahs witness protection: Somebody let women vote....and drive.

I see no problem with the driving part.

The voting allowance has really farked things up though.


yep. and science has shown it, too (see women voting for female candidates based on feeling superior in looks to them, voting for the tallest man, the youngest man based on looks, etc... non-"intellectual" women don't even realize they're doing it, and are offended if you point it out, but that's how it works)

/throwing in television to put a face on what should be a person in slate-of-policies only and you get the farce we have today...
\tribalism and picking leaders on the playground, on a national scale
 
2010-01-16 12:31:15 PM  
maceinator: TsukasaK: The only one that doesn't belong in that sequence is writing in cursive. Seriously, it's a dead art, like speaking latin. There is no reason beyond curiosity for it to be taught nowadays.

Says the guy fresh out out of college.


Cursive writing was developed as a direct result to the problems inherent in quill and ink technology.

I.E. every time I lift my quill from the parchment there is a high likelihood of ink dripping from the tip and leaving a blot on the page. Therefore by maximizing the time that the quill is in contact with the page I minimize the chances of ink dripping and ruining it. Thus cursive writing.

The invention of the ballpoint pen has rendered this a non-issue.
 
2010-01-16 12:33:25 PM  
eddyatwork: The thing that is chilling to me today about schools is how they are training people to live in a prison mentality where all i

... and yet no one will rebel against the incrementalism because it will always be too soon; until it's too late.
 
2010-01-16 12:33:52 PM  
My 8 year old son got suspended for 10 days before Christmas break for bringing a screwdriver to school. He found it at the bus stop. A nice long vacation due to their asinine zero-tolerance weapon policy. Were they afraid he was going to fix something?
 
2010-01-16 12:35:30 PM  
thirty three and a third: My 8 year old son got suspended for 10 days before Christmas break for bringing a screwdriver to school. He found it at the bus stop. A nice long vacation due to their asinine zero-tolerance weapon policy. Were they afraid he was going to fix something?

Again, you'd be singing a different song if some kid had stabbed your son with a screwdriver at school.
 
2010-01-16 12:35:41 PM  
thirty three and a third: My 8 year old son got suspended for 10 days before Christmas break for bringing a screwdriver to school.

Zero brains tolerance strikes again.
 
2010-01-16 12:37:25 PM  
thirty three and a third: My 8 year old son got suspended for 10 days before Christmas break for bringing a screwdriver to school. He found it at the bus stop. A nice long vacation due to their asinine zero-tolerance weapon policy. Were they afraid he was going to fix something?

Prison officials confiscate workshop tools because prisoners can turn them into weapons. Apparently, school officials are worried that your son was going to turn the screwdriver into a crude knife and shank someone during recess.

it's amazing how similar the school system is to the prison system these days.
 
2010-01-16 12:37:41 PM  
DigitalCoffee: Wonder if the kid will be able to do 5 megawatt by mid May.

/he also needs to get even with the principal
//it's a moral imperative
///popcorn


He should cut a small circuit card out of a dead device, tape a dead battery to it, and leave it in the principal's path.

/monthly
//wear gloves
///point to the nose-picker next to him
 
2010-01-16 12:38:17 PM  
zepplinrules: thirty three and a third: My 8 year old son got suspended for 10 days before Christmas break for bringing a screwdriver to school. He found it at the bus stop. A nice long vacation due to their asinine zero-tolerance weapon policy. Were they afraid he was going to fix something?

Again, you'd be singing a different song if some kid had stabbed your son with a screwdriver at school.



A pencil could be used as a weapon. Let's ban those too.
 
2010-01-16 12:39:06 PM  
zepplinrules: thirty three and a third: My 8 year old son got suspended for 10 days before Christmas break for bringing a screwdriver to school. He found it at the bus stop. A nice long vacation due to their asinine zero-tolerance weapon policy. Were they afraid he was going to fix something?

Again, you'd be singing a different song if some kid had stabbed your son with a screwdriver at school.


Right, because there aren't hundreds of other everyday objects in a classroom that someone so inclined could turn into a weapon.
 
2010-01-16 12:41:40 PM  
Obnox: aagrajag: Home of the brave, indeed.

You yanks weren't always such pussies. What happened, man? You used to be cool.

These are school administrators, not normal people.


Those who can't do: Teach.
Those who can't do and don't know: Administrate.
 
2010-01-16 12:41:46 PM  
eddyatwork: dlewis6: I can't imagine what you guys would act like if you lived when knowledge really was oppressed.

Maybe it's because those of us who studied history are desperately trying to keep the torch of knowledge from sputtering out while people think it's no big deal that we are dumbing everything down.


And reporting something that is possibly a bomb as something that is possibly a bomb is a representation of the dumbing down of everything?
 
2010-01-16 12:43:43 PM  
Yeah you guys are right, we might as well just stop monitoring what kids bring to school all together. Hell let's just and out handguns at the entrance and let it work itself out.

Bottom line is that the rules are there for everyone's safety. Yeah it might have been inconvenient for your kid to be hanging around the house for 10 extra days, but there's one less weapon in his school now.
 
2010-01-16 12:43:48 PM  
The most amazing part of United States history that nobody seems to learn is that central banks never work. They always manipulate the dollar to put money in their pockets.

The last three times didn't work, and this fourth try obviously isn't working.
 
2010-01-16 12:46:33 PM  
And fingers, I mean you can poke an eye out with one of those! Ban em!

/knows you'll be singing a different tune if your kid gets his eye poked out!
//Won't somebody think of the children?!
 
2010-01-16 12:47:14 PM  
zepplinrules: Yeah you guys are right, we might as well just stop monitoring what kids bring to school all together. Hell let's just and out handguns at the entrance and let it work itself out.

Bottom line is that the rules are there for everyone's safety. Yeah it might have been inconvenient for your kid to be hanging around the house for 10 extra days, but there's one less weapon in his school now.


We all carried pocket knives in elementary school.

Shockingly, no one got stabbed.

/Compasses in art class were another story
 
2010-01-16 12:48:41 PM  
bmihura: The most amazing part of United States history that nobody seems to learn is that central banks never work. They always manipulate the dollar to put money in their pockets.

The last three times didn't work, and this fourth try obviously isn't working.


Yeah! Central banks made this kid bring a bomb like object to school forcing a reaction from the administration that concluded no danger! Wait, wut?
 
2010-01-16 12:48:56 PM  
BleedPinstripes: zepplinrules: thirty three and a third: My 8 year old son got suspended for 10 days before Christmas break for bringing a screwdriver to school. He found it at the bus stop. A nice long vacation due to their asinine zero-tolerance weapon policy. Were they afraid he was going to fix something?

Again, you'd be singing a different song if some kid had stabbed your son with a screwdriver at school.

Right, because there aren't hundreds of other everyday objects in a classroom that someone so inclined could turn into a weapon.


Would it be a violation of my civil rights to deprive me of my glasses? I'm nearsighted, and while I can get around just fine without them, if I'm not wearing them I can't even order off one of those overhead menus at a fast food joint when I'm standing at the counter.

Certainly would be an asinine thing to do, yes, deprive a man of his glasses needed to correct faulty vision.

So I snap one of the arms off.

Insta-staby implement. You can kill a person if you jab this hard enough, in the right spot. And my pair comes with TWO of these potential insta-stabys.

Therefore, the solution is clear.

Obamacare must mandate free laser eye surgery for all Americans and entrants, to combat this potential terroristic weapon.
 
2010-01-16 12:50:18 PM  
namatad: ElVee: Those that can, do.
Those that can't, teach.
Those that can't teach, administrate.
Those that can't administrate get elected.

Those that can't get elected have kids.


... and those who can't have kids?
 
2010-01-16 12:50:30 PM  
zepplinrules: Bottom line is that the rules are there for everyone's safety.

I've often wondered how people like this can function in society. they appear to be completely devoid of common sense, and with a slavish devotion to The Rules, they must find life outside of an institution to be very confusing and frustrating.
 
2010-01-16 12:51:25 PM  
The cops are as much to blame as the administrators. Since 9/11 they've been given federal funds for all sorts of "anti-terrorist" toys - bomb detection, fancy vehicles, bigger guns, etc. And how they love to use them so they can show everyone that they need more. Instead of some cop walking into the principal's office, talking to the kid and seeing that it's not a risk, they go into full terrorist mode. And yet when faced with a genuine attack, they won't do anything lest they offend someone's sensitive culture.
 
2010-01-16 12:54:23 PM  
It's ok to be smart and it's ok to do things unnaturally and it's also ok to do things which get reaction and it's also ok to combine the two.

Usually the way the media plays is on the fears of public, especially during the 50s and 60s when everybody who had an IQ over 28, let's say, was probably a threat to the community. Because you know, the person who can think for himself is just liable to realize that commercials don't mean anything and what they write in newspapers is wrong.

It's fashionable to disparage people who are smart. The bad part about that is that a lot of people who were born smart pretend to be dumb so they can have friends. And that's a tragedy.

I try to encourage people if they are intelligent, to not be ashamed, do what you gonna do and forget about having friends and acting dumb in order to have friends. Because those friends aren't gonna do any good anyway.

And if you know deep down in your heart that you are a dumb kind of a person, don't be ashamed of it. That's the way you are. Have a good time, you are dumb. You can sit in front of a television, drink beer, watch hockey and love it. You have none of the problems that people who know more than you do. Because the more you know the less you like it. Everybody should be happy with what they got.

-Frank Zappa
 
2010-01-16 12:54:57 PM  
eddyatwork: Fano: I think he means Harrison Bergeron.

I actually wasn't referring to any literary works but there are three I can apply:
1. Harrison Bergeron - NCLB ensuring nobody feels like a loser. Or a winner.
2. 1984 - mindcrime (writing in a diary can get you arrested)
3. Brave New World - Soma is being over dispensed in young people to calm them.


4. Fahrenheit 451 - critical thought through reading is outlawed and how television destroys interest in reading literature
 
2010-01-16 12:57:30 PM  
zepplinrules: Yeah you guys are right, we might as well just stop monitoring what kids bring to school all together.

Derp, derp, derpa-derpa, derp-derp-derp.

Yes, because our choices are either
1: Run our schools like prisons
or
2: Turn them into Lord of The Flies.
 
2010-01-16 12:59:37 PM  
Guma: eddyatwork: Fano: I think he means Harrison Bergeron.

I actually wasn't referring to any literary works but there are three I can apply:
1. Harrison Bergeron - NCLB ensuring nobody feels like a loser. Or a winner.
2. 1984 - mindcrime (writing in a diary can get you arrested)
3. Brave New World - Soma is being over dispensed in young people to calm them.

4. Fahrenheit 451 - critical thought through reading is outlawed and how television destroys interest in reading literature


That's not really what Fahrenheit 451 is all about, far as I could tell from the interview with Ray Bradbury that I read once. It's more about how society let that happen. It wasn't a criticism of the government so much as the people. How we just quit liking books and the government in this particular fictional future ran with it.

Yes, this is irrelevant, but so is treating this story as a "suppression of knowledge" story.
 
2010-01-16 01:00:29 PM  
I got ten bucks that says the kid is "special" and they can't do shiat to punish him.
 
2010-01-16 01:00:51 PM  
zepplinrules: Bottom line is that the rules are there for everyone's safety. Yeah it might have been inconvenient for your kid to be hanging around the house for 10 extra days, but there's one less weapon in his school now.

0/10 - trolling these threads takes no effort of any kind.
 
2010-01-16 01:01:26 PM  
MorseCodeNowInHiDef: Those who can't do: Teach.
Those who can't do and don't know: Administrate.


I always thought it was:

Those that can: do.
Those that can't: teach.
Those that can't teach: teach teachers.

/mum taught teachers IT.
//dad was a nuclear reactor engineer
///she really hated that saying
////i wonder why they divorced?
 
2010-01-16 01:04:57 PM  
DancesWithSquirrels: Last year here in a middle school, a ticking sound was heard coming from a locker. The kids were evacuated, police called and they brought in bomb disposal people. Robot went in, opened locker and took out backpack. Bomb people took the backpack outside and blew it up with a water cannon.

The ticking was a metronome that the student had for music class.


Bombs haven't ticked since the invention of the semiconductor. Someone's been watching too many old cartoons.
 
2010-01-16 01:06:40 PM  
KidKorporate: Bombs haven't ticked since the invention of the semiconductor. Someone's been watching too many old cartoons.

Good thing his locker wasn't vibrating. Could have been a dildo.
 
2010-01-16 01:06:59 PM  
zepplinrules: Yeah you guys are right, we might as well just stop monitoring what kids bring to school all together. Hell let's just and out handguns at the entrance and let it work itself out.

Bottom line is that the rules are there for everyone's safety. Yeah it might have been inconvenient for your kid to be hanging around the house for 10 extra days, but there's one less weapon in his school now.


You'd be singing a different tune if your troll was at all effective.
 
2010-01-16 01:08:09 PM  
Somehow I think this got lost in the discussions, how does his motion detector work, did it work, is it seismic, is it infrared, something completely different?

This thread has been all about the "stupid" or "not stupid" behavior of the adults and nothing about what an eleven year old has created.

Does anyone know anything about it? Does it work?
 
2010-01-16 01:17:11 PM  
MacGabhain: Not tech or math related, but my wife just had an ENTIRE college class not be able to tell what she wrote on the board because it was in cursive. It was two words, and she has very good handwriting.


quantumlearningblog.files.wordpress.com
www.theglasspeople.net
 
2010-01-16 01:18:27 PM  
thamike: Good thing his locker wasn't vibrating. Could have been a dildo.

when do kids start bringing small vibrating/ticking things to school, JUST to get out of class?

surprised that there hasn't been more false alarm crap at schools these days.

/where the hell are the punks theses days?
 
2010-01-16 01:21:23 PM  
Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: MacGabhain: Not tech or math related, but my wife just had an ENTIRE college class not be able to tell what she wrote on the board because it was in cursive. It was two words, and she has very good handwriting.

yah, my dad used to spend a lot of time in college teaching kids remedial geometry (C=2rpi stuff)

of course, you could argue that the colleges should do a better job of not letting complete tards enroll.
of course, that would be the end of college sports

/wait, why are there sports in college again? what part of education does college football make up? the entertain the students part?
 
2010-01-16 01:23:45 PM  
If only there was some place we could dump our kids for the bulk of the day and they would be safe from catching stupid.

Some place where they could be educumated in their spare time and learn social skills.
 
2010-01-16 01:24:20 PM  
Pinko_Commie: I always thought it was:

Those that can: do.
Those that can't: teach.
Those that can't teach: teach teachers.


Actually, in the working world it is:

Those who can: Do
Those who can't: Are put in charge of those who can.
 
2010-01-16 01:25:58 PM  
Weaver95: thirty three and a third: My 8 year old son got suspended for 10 days before Christmas break for bringing a screwdriver to school. He found it at the bus stop. A nice long vacation due to their asinine zero-tolerance weapon policy. Were they afraid he was going to fix something?

Prison officials confiscate workshop tools because prisoners can turn them into weapons. Apparently, school officials are worried that your son was going to turn the screwdriver into a crude knife and shank someone during recess.

it's amazing how similar the school system is to the prison system these days.


Same goals, Different funding.
 
2010-01-16 01:27:07 PM  
namatad: thamike: Good thing his locker wasn't vibrating. Could have been a dildo.

when do kids start bringing small vibrating/ticking things to school, JUST to get out of class?

surprised that there hasn't been more false alarm crap at schools these days.

/where the hell are the punks theses days?


If you want to get out of a math test, instead of pulling the fire alarm like the good old days, just put a wind up alarm clock in your locker.

Of course this will be countered by the school board declaring alarm clocks dangerous weapons and expelling you.
 
2010-01-16 01:28:52 PM  
Personally, I think this kid was subjected to slander, harassment, theft, defamation of character, and should sue for damages. The only way we are getting this type of intrusion and ridiculous BS to stop is with some tort payouts. I think like this but I'm really too lazy to sue anyone. But I think this is going to start happening all the time. If you have some duct taped contraption, watch out!

thirty three and a third: My 8 year old son got suspended for 10 days before Christmas break for bringing a screwdriver to school. He found it at the bus stop. A nice long vacation due to their asinine zero-tolerance weapon policy. Were they afraid he was going to fix something?

What did you do about it? Personally, I can see not minding if your kid missed ten days of education by retards. I'm dealing with a major personality conflict with a sheeple loving teacher myself lately so I'm just curious.
 
2010-01-16 01:31:17 PM  
I got to play with radiation sources for a high school science project, built a rocket sled and crashed a test dummy for another class, and made an electromagnet in 4th grade that I'm sure would look like part of a bomb to an idiot. And I was born in the 80s.

Damn, it sucks to be a kid now. I thought it was bad when I was growing up, but at least my magnet-esque program had decent administrators. And good teachers who would biatch loudly if a crappy administrator came around.

Good luck, kid. Just keep your cool projects to yourself for a few years or submit them straight to a science fair that is judged by intelligent folk (our regional one was judged by engineers mostly).
 
2010-01-16 01:39:27 PM  
pics.livejournal.com
 
2010-01-16 01:45:17 PM  
DancesWithSquirrels: Last year here in a middle school, a ticking sound was heard coming from a locker. The kids were evacuated, police called and they brought in bomb disposal people. Robot went in, opened locker and took out backpack. Bomb people took the backpack outside and blew it up with a water cannon.

The ticking was a metronome that the student had for music class.


Who the fark thinks that bombs actually TICK? Probably the same people who think they have bright LCD displays conveniently informing you of how many minutes you have left to disarm the device, the wires of which are all conveniently color-coded for you.
 
2010-01-16 01:46:27 PM  
worthlessjuan: Somehow I think this got lost in the discussions, how does his motion detector work, did it work, is it seismic, is it infrared, something completely different?

Well, since there are no pictures, I will offer a guess. There are two wires close together inside a bottle. Tilt or otherwise move the bottle (the motion) and something beeps or lights up or explodes (the detection).
 
2010-01-16 01:46:51 PM  
DarthBrooks: 9-11-2001: my son was sitting in his high-school physics class. Some kid ran in the door and said, "Hey, a plane hit the World Trade Center!"

So the physics teacher turns on the classroom TV just as the second plane hits.

After about a minute, the physics teacher turns off the TV and says, "well, that will be on the news when you get home. Let's get back to Boyle's Law."

And THAT is the mindset that puts smart kids in detention.


You're saying the teacher should take the opportunity to explain terminal velocity as the class watches people jumping from a high rise as they attempt to escape certain death?

I don't see what 9-11 has to do with physics. Other than OMG 9-11
 
2010-01-16 01:53:55 PM  
BleedPinstripes: zepplinrules: Yeah you guys are right, we might as well just stop monitoring what kids bring to school all together. Hell let's just and out handguns at the entrance and let it work itself out.

Bottom line is that the rules are there for everyone's safety. Yeah it might have been inconvenient for your kid to be hanging around the house for 10 extra days, but there's one less weapon in his school now.

We all carried pocket knives in elementary school.

Shockingly, no one got stabbed.

/Compasses in art class were another story


You know, most schools use compasses for MATH class. Geometry to be precise.

/Giotto is weeping
//nothing is obscure on Fark.
 
2010-01-16 01:54:34 PM  
dlewis6: Uhhh, the only real problem is that they confinscated it afterwards. If it was a bomb, you all would be biatching about how ineffective the administration is dealing with these situations. It's like airport security. If someone gets through with something, you say they aren't doing their job. If they want to screen more, you say you're being violated somehow.

This is not a big deal! I can't imagine what you guys would act like if you lived when knowledge really was oppressed.


No. Just shut up already before you hurt yourself.

emu-memu.net
 
2010-01-16 01:59:47 PM  
CougarJeff: I just emailed the school:
You are what is wrong with education, with this country, and with humanity. Kindly remove yourself from all of the above.


That sounds anti-american and terrorist like.
 
2010-01-16 02:00:05 PM  
zepplinrules: I agree that fake bomb threats waste time and reduce readiness, but this wasn't a fake bomb threat. Somebody (who may or may not be a complete idiot) really thought this was a bomb, and that needs to be taken seriously.

Somebody (who may or may not be a complete idiot) thinks your post sounds sympathetic to radical terrorists, and that needs to be taken seriously.

/shoe. other foot.
 
2010-01-16 02:00:14 PM  
As a foreigner, can I just say how amusing it is to watch america swirling round the plug-hole faster, ever faster?
 
2010-01-16 02:00:31 PM  
Well, I did fluid wave dynamics for my middle school science project and the judges were too dumb to figure out what I was doing. It's much better for the kid to just have the parents build the damned thing, right?

/surprisingly, my supposedly 'ghetto' SoCal school district was not nearly as Orwellian as those described by many of the farkers here.
 
2010-01-16 02:01:32 PM  
Krieghund:

You know, most schools use compasses for MATH class. Geometry to be precise.

/Giotto is weeping
//nothing is obscure on Fark.


No no. Those are little girly compasses. The ones we had in the art room looked like a 3' spear.

Like this:

www.core77.com

/Still remember leading a fateful charge into the heart of the pottery wheels.
//Lost a lot of good men that day.
 
2010-01-16 02:06:49 PM  
DarthBrooks: 9-11-2001: my son was sitting in his high-school physics class. Some kid ran in the door and said, "Hey, a plane hit the World Trade Center!"

So the physics teacher turns on the classroom TV just as the second plane hits.

After about a minute, the physics teacher turns off the TV and says, "well, that will be on the news when you get home. Let's get back to Boyle's Law."

And THAT is the mindset that puts smart kids in detention.


THIS. M-F, THIS!

I was in Physics class the afternoon the Challenger blew up. Our professor was a naturalized US citizen originally from Poland. He said something along the lines of "In science, we reach for something greater than ourselves. Sometimes this results in the tragic loss of human life. We grieve for their loss, and then we move on." I wish I could remember the actual words, but it's close to that.

Then he taught the lecture, and I studied harder than ever in that class, and ended doing a full point better than I would have.

Many years later, I took a great deal of shiat for telling people at the office that the terrorists (who I mistakenly thought would end being domestic ones) would really like us all to stop working and freak out, and so could we please get back to work and ignore all the 24x7 news coverage?

I wasn't saying to ignore the event, I was saying "let's work even harder now and screw THEM over".
 
2010-01-16 02:19:34 PM  
Summercat: Would it be a violation of my civil rights to deprive me of my glasses? I'm nearsighted, and while I can get around just fine without them, if I'm not wearing them I can't even order off one of those overhead menus at a fast food joint when I'm standing at the counter.

Actually, a commenter on TSA's blog mentioned that Air Canada wasn't allowing glasses as part of the flight 253 security absurdity. Not sure about contacts.
 
2010-01-16 02:20:55 PM  
maceinator: They "sign" their names in block letters.

This seems pretty reasonable if you usually write in block letters -- if you switch to some foreign symbology just to make your mark it might as well be an "X". It's not like the something magical about cursive manual autographs that make contracts more enforceable, it's just the way people wrote. There were a few of generations in the middle that are used to typed documents with cursive signatures, but historically the document and the signature would have been written with the same symbols.
 
2010-01-16 02:20:57 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
You stay classy, San Diego.
 
2010-01-16 02:22:21 PM  
DigitalCoffee: Wonder if the kid will be able to do 5 megawatt by mid May.

/he also needs to get even with the principal
//it's a moral imperative
///popcorn


And does he have a guy living in his closet sending out sweepstakes entries by the boxload?

/ they're gone!
 
2010-01-16 02:30:16 PM  
AbbeySomeone: CougarJeff: I just emailed the school:
You are what is wrong with education, with this country, and with humanity. Kindly remove yourself from all of the above.

That sounds anti-american and terrorist like.


Heh. Jeff is likely to have his state and federal income tax returns audited for the next ten years.
 
2010-01-16 02:41:34 PM  
namatad: the whole point of number 4 is that putting the DUMB kids with the SMART kids helps neither group.
putting the JOCKS with the ART and MUSIC nerds kids, just causes problems.

kids are NOT the same, they have different interests at different times

putting them all together hurts all of them, with a minimal amount of immersion bleed over.

some kids need a lot more attention in certain classes and the rest get held back.

by allowing the kids to excel in the things that they can excel in, will help them ... and by giving them extra help when needed, out of sight of the average and above average will remove the stigma of being a tard.

but yah, could only work in large school districts and would hurt the feelings of the parents whose kids where not jocks or brains or or or

/blargh


I understand where you're coming from on this, but all this would accomplish is having kids who are ill-prepared for the real world because they lack interaction with all the kinds of people they'll meet.

Maybe 1/2 the day in specialized/focused classes where you learn based on interest/ability. But if you separate out the geeks from the jocks, for example, when everybody goes out into the work force, all the BS that goes on in high school is going to come out in people's 20s.
 
2010-01-16 03:12:24 PM  
Reminds me of the time I made this thing that shocked people. It was basically a bar-be-cue lighter with some wires on it attached to an end that was easy to press against anyone. It was a big red button with black tape and wires coming out of it.
I had it in my coat pocket and totally forgot about it. That particular day I ended up at Detroit Metro Airport to see my sister off on her trip to Rome, trying to go through the metal detector and having it beep as the woman asks me to unload everything from my pocket...
 
2010-01-16 03:23:54 PM  
Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: dlewis6: Uhhh, the only real problem is that they confinscated it afterwards. If it was a bomb, you all would be biatching about how ineffective the administration is dealing with these situations. It's like airport security. If someone gets through with something, you say they aren't doing their job. If they want to screen more, you say you're being violated somehow.

This is not a big deal! I can't imagine what you guys would act like if you lived when knowledge really was oppressed.

No. Just shut up already before you hurt yourself.


You're right. I can't believe I tried to be rational on Fark. Can you ever forgive me? Uhhh, so should I start screaming that my rights are being violated now?

Remind me again, who is violating what now? I'm not as good as most of you at this.
 
2010-01-16 03:30:18 PM  
"It had a very sinister appearance, it had a battery behind it, and wires."

So does my tamagotchi from the 1990s
 
2010-01-16 03:36:34 PM  
Hatchling #742-11-3251 has shown exceptional intelligence.

Any deviation from normality is unacceptable.

Hatchling #742-11-3251 must be culled from the herd.
 
2010-01-16 03:38:49 PM  
dlewis6: Uhhh, the only real problem is that they confinscated it afterwards. If it was a bomb, you all would be biatching about how ineffective the administration is dealing with these situations. It's like airport security. If someone gets through with something, you say they aren't doing their job. If they want to screen more, you say you're being violated somehow.

This is not a big deal! I can't imagine what you guys would act like if you lived when knowledge really was oppresse


When something gets through and they're job is to make sure something doesn't get through, then they have failed to do their job.

When they're frisking 6 year olds, confiscating 105mL bottles of water, hassling people for carrying "too much" cash, etc. and yet somehow a crappy bomb gets through, we have every right to complain.

They have too many things they want to screen for and do a poor job at it. They need a smaller list of things they need to do a better job of finding. They need a scalpel, not a chainsaw.
Their response to the whole underwear bomber was a larger chainsaw similar to the chainsaw upgrade they got when the shoe bomber failed at his attempt.

The TSA's approach to airport security isn't too far off from the simple mindedness present in school officials who adore zero-tolerance policies.
 
2010-01-16 03:49:01 PM  
The next time fark has a school discipline or corporal punishment thread, this thread needs to be brought up.

If schools were allowed to spank/paddle/strap students like "the old days", these officials would be the ones doing it.
I can just see it now:
8 year old Billy stabs a classmate with a buck knife-paddle;
7 year old Johnny's dad packed a plastic spork in his lunch-paddle;
11 year old Timmy brought a homemade motion detector that the clueless teacher thought was a bomb-where's the belt?;
11 year old Anna brings emtpy shotgun shells from a camping trip-get the belt
14 year old Susie has a picture of her holding guns at a shooting range-belt, or if she's hot-over the knee.
16 year old Billy has steak knives in a box of household goods in the trunk of his car-summary execution.

These people-school officials-cannot be allowed to have any more power. Their level of accountability and power must be brought on par-if that means a lot less power to match their much lower level of accountability, so be it.
 
2010-01-16 04:08:29 PM  
Since when do 11 year olds go to middle school? He must have skipped a few grades.
 
2010-01-16 04:25:19 PM  
aagrajag: Home of the brave, indeed.

You yanks weren't always such pussies. What happened, man? You used to be cool.


If you haven't figured it out yet, in America, a bunch of idiots (with lots of family money) pushed & bought their way to the front of the line. Somehow, these idiots convinced enough of the rest dumb sheeps in America to either elect & hire them and let them be in charge of the way things get run around here. They then apply their well-practiced incompetence (and "pussiness"), which unfortunately reflects upon the rest of us. So, sorry for the disappointment, however, you wouldn't be finding any pussy where I'm sitting.
 
2010-01-16 04:45:53 PM  
Does anyone have any idea what the ratio is of reported suspicious packages to actual bombs there have been in the last,oh, 20 years or so?

Any stats on that anywhere? I wouldn't even know where to look for that.
 
2010-01-16 05:00:13 PM  
FlukeBoy: Pay the Man: I hate those TSA farktards as much as the next guy, but how the fark did this thread deteriorate into a TSA bashing rant?

Because you Hopey McChange libtards insist that driving cars and eating bacon is going to kill us all, so why don't we just pay the lazy arsed poor people to stay home and take drugs so they can murder the hard working patriots that support them in their sleep for money to buy hookers and blow with.

/like that.
\\did I leave anything out??
//oh yeah
\Tila Tequila is a alien looking my space dwarf slut that heels her shiat down the drain.


You know what they say about assuming things, right douchebag? Calling me a "Hopey McChange libtard" is like calling Paris Hilton brilliant. It just ain't even close.

/eat my ass, dumbfark
 
2010-01-16 05:01:34 PM  
DarthBrooks: 9-11-2001: my son was sitting in his high-school physics class. Some kid ran in the door and said, "Hey, a plane hit the World Trade Center!"

So the physics teacher turns on the classroom TV just as the second plane hits.

After about a minute, the physics teacher turns off the TV and says, "well, that will be on the news when you get home. Let's get back to Boyle's Law."

And THAT is
THE OPPOSITE OF the mindset that puts smart kids in detention.

FTFY.

Should the teacher have locked them down and made them hide under their desks? Sent them out to stand in line for gasoline? Sent them down to the Army recruiter? Frisked and strip-searched them all?

A physics teacher who thought teaching physics was what should happen in a physics class, even when something interesting was happening outside class.

Spiffy tag, not fail.
 
2010-01-16 05:22:36 PM  
rev. dave: I am getting the feeling the society is being run by and policed by knuckle draggers

Obama does look a bit like a monkey
 
2010-01-16 05:23:09 PM  
Aaahh, the California educational system once again proves why it stands apart from the rest.
 
2010-01-16 05:24:55 PM  
Sliding Carp: A physics teacher who thought teaching physics was what should happen in a physics class, even when something interesting was happening outside class.

Spiffy tag, not fail.


Yeah, it was about as interesting as the attack on Pearl Harbor. Pretty much along the lines of a large car crash on the %LOCAL_INTERSTATE% or a police standoff across town.


A physics teacher who thinks that teaching physics is more important then following a just-happened world changing event is a prestine example of fail.

2, 3 days later? Yeah, maybe pick back up where we left off.

Another idiot had that same kind of thinking and we have 7 minutes of video where he sits like a dumbass when he should have stopped what he was doing and addressed the situation unfolding.
 
2010-01-16 05:52:08 PM  
My science project was based on rapid expansion of gases and the effects of pressure waves on various geometric shapes.

Of course back then, we called this physics.

/and we made pipebombs for funsies

//Mr I am so smart up there is a bag of dicks. I personally hate you, and wish you suffering.
 
2010-01-16 06:16:56 PM  
The technology school doesn't seem to understand Google cache either.

Staff directory now (new window), cached directory (new window)

I guess VP Willie Neil has been getting too much feedback.
 
2010-01-16 06:24:26 PM  
maceinator: [cursive] Yeah, not taught anymore.

FINALLY. What an immense waste of time and effort. Not that I'm hopeful there's more math instead of learning to precisely hand-copy a second completely-overlapping alphabet for no goddamn reason... but at least there's more time for something else.
 
2010-01-16 06:41:03 PM  
maceinator: TsukasaK: The only one that doesn't belong in that sequence is writing in cursive. Seriously, it's a dead art, like speaking latin. There is no reason beyond curiosity for it to be taught nowadays.

Says the guy fresh out out of college.


Screw cursive. I learned it decades ago, and was good at it-- but the waste of time in an environment starved for math and science was tragic.

The eight-week class I spent in a room full of girls learning to type on typewriters with the keys painted black has been infinitely more useful than the every-day-for-seven-years cursive classes. I CAN YELL ON FARK AT 130WPM.
 
2010-01-16 06:56:09 PM  
Nearly 40 years ago, I took the carbon elements out a military surplus throat mic my older brother gave me and took them to jr high school. A classmate saw me playing with them in study hall and asked me what they were. For some perverse reason, I told him they were blasting caps. He reported me to the teacher, who, in turn, reported me to the principal. I was taken to the office, accused and I confessed. The elements were confiscated and I received a three day suspension. I guess that taught me!
 
2010-01-16 07:25:05 PM  
dlewis6: Uhhh, the only real problem is that they confinscated it afterwards. If it was a bomb, you all would be biatching about how ineffective the administration is dealing with these situations. It's like airport security. If someone gets through with something, you say they aren't doing their job. If they want to screen more, you say you're being violated somehow.

This is not a big deal! I can't imagine what you guys would act like if you lived when knowledge really was oppressed.


Wouldn't a reasonable person simply ask the child what the contraption was and how it works? If the adult could not judge whether the device was what the child said it was, the adult should have merely asked the science teacher to look at it. Immediately calling the bomb squad sounds extreme. Kids bring things to school with batteries and wires all the time. Just because this child made his own and didn't stuff it in a pretty case doesn't automatically make it more dangerous than any other device in schools.

Just because the oppression of knowledge (or oppression of the creative independent application of knowledge) is subtle doe snot mean it is of no concern. We should be encouraged children to make things (with reasonable adult supervision). This sounds like a environment that is afraid of what the kids might make because the adults are not sure that they can understand what is being made.
 
2010-01-16 07:57:56 PM  
ElVee: Those that can, do.
Those that can't, teach.
Those that can't teach, administrate.
teach at flatpoint high.

FTFY
/Obscure?
 
2010-01-16 08:17:00 PM  
Man, I'm glad I'm not in school now.

My final physics project in HS was a rail gun.

/it only worked once
//but it shot an iron nail accross the chem lab and drove into a pine desk, so; worth it
 
2010-01-16 09:22:57 PM  
Delay: worthlessjuan: Somehow I think this got lost in the discussions, how does his motion detector work, did it work, is it seismic, is it infrared, something completely different?

Well, since there are no pictures, I will offer a guess. There are two wires close together inside a bottle. Tilt or otherwise move the bottle (the motion) and something beeps or lights up or explodes (the detection).


Wut u did there, I c it. HUR.
 
2010-01-16 09:34:54 PM  
Aunt Crabby: dlewis6: Uhhh, the only real problem is that they confinscated it afterwards. If it was a bomb, you all would be biatching about how ineffective the administration is dealing with these situations. It's like airport security. If someone gets through with something, you say they aren't doing their job. If they want to screen more, you say you're being violated somehow.

This is not a big deal! I can't imagine what you guys would act like if you lived when knowledge really was oppressed.

Wouldn't a reasonable person simply ask the child what the contraption was and how it works? If the adult could not judge whether the device was what the child said it was, the adult should have merely asked the science teacher to look at it. Immediately calling the bomb squad sounds extreme. Kids bring things to school with batteries and wires all the time. Just because this child made his own and didn't stuff it in a pretty case doesn't automatically make it more dangerous than any other device in schools.

Just because the oppression of knowledge (or oppression of the creative independent application of knowledge) is subtle doe snot mean it is of no concern. We should be encouraged children to make things (with reasonable adult supervision). This sounds like a environment that is afraid of what the kids might make because the adults are not sure that they can understand what is being made.


The system is designed to protect the administrators from legal exposure. To cover their asses, they create "zero tolerance" policies. No decision making equals no legal consequences.

In this case, someone, either a student or teacher, gets word to the administrator that there may be a bomb in the school. That person might even say they thinks the odds are really low, or even that they're "pretty sure it isn't a bomb". However, the administrator now to follow the script, or else risk losing everything he has to a later lawsuit.

So, the administrator calls the police. Maybe he even says "This is a great student, and I looked at the thing, and I think he's telling the truth, but it might be a bomb so can you please come check?".

Now the dispatcher has to call the bomb squad. They have a script, too, forced on them by years of frivolous lawsuits. The bomb squad is not permitted to simply show up, look at the bottle, hand it back to the kid, and say "Nice work, Timmy. You'll get an A for that one." No, they have to go through the motions: full bomb dress, drag the device out into a clear area, send in the robot, and pop it with a low-grade explosive to disable any firing device. Then, they can look at the remnants and see it was never a real bomb.

Meanwhile, all this activity was "caused" by the student, so you know they're going to be held "responsible" for all the over-reaction. That student had absolutely zero to do with all this crap security theater, but the system has to blame somebody, and it's designed to protect the administrators, the cops, and the bomb squad. Guess who's left?

That's right - the falsely accused takes the blame for the whole thing.

\disclaimer: this may or may not have happened to me many years ago.
 
2010-01-16 10:14:20 PM  
zepplinrules: Yeah you guys are right, we might as well just stop monitoring what kids bring to school all together. Hell let's just and out handguns at the entrance and let it work itself out.

Bottom line is that the rules are there for everyone's safety. Yeah it might have been inconvenient for your kid to be hanging around the house for 10 extra days, but there's one less weapon in his school now.


1/10 You just threw your hands up in the air and decided to go for broke, didn't you?
 
2010-01-16 10:19:05 PM  
pedrop357: Sliding Carp: A physics teacher who thought teaching physics was what should happen in a physics class, even when something interesting was happening outside class.

Spiffy tag, not fail.

Yeah, it was about as interesting as the attack on Pearl Harbor. Pretty much along the lines of a large car crash on the %LOCAL_INTERSTATE% or a police standoff across town.


A physics teacher who thinks that teaching physics is more important then following a just-happened world changing event is a prestine example of fail.

2, 3 days later? Yeah, maybe pick back up where we left off.

Another idiot had that same kind of thinking and we have 7 minutes of video where he sits like a dumbass when he should have stopped what he was doing and addressed the situation unfolding.


What would the kids have done about 9/11?

Maybe he could have started teaching about F=MA and how it was impossible for jetliners to pancake collapse a skyscraper.
 
2010-01-16 10:43:57 PM  
You can phone the school here to leave the principle a message, calling him a dumbass: 619-527-6933

Or, you can use this link (new window) to leave an e-mail message.
 
2010-01-16 10:49:39 PM  
img121.imageshack.us
 
2010-01-16 11:14:45 PM  
Naughty Zoot: The technology school doesn't seem to understand Google cache either.

Staff directory now (new window), cached directory (new window)

I guess VP Willie Neil has been getting too much feedback.


Or he's been canned.
 
2010-01-16 11:21:29 PM  
The personnel then confiscated it and issued an all-clear about 3 p.m., Luque said. Nearby Gompers High School was unaffected by the incident, according to police.

"The personnel" contact a patent attorney, the kid calls a tort lawyer. Everybody's happy, ESPECIALLY the lawyers.
 
2010-01-16 11:42:39 PM  
1-phenylpropan-2-amine: "It had a very sinister appearance, it had a battery behind it, and wires."

So does my tamagotchi from the 1990s


Oh man, my grandma got me one of those. After about 30 minutes of it's constant whining, I threw it in my dresser and let the damn thing starve to death.

/I was 10
 
2010-01-17 12:09:58 AM  
Should have brought this kind of motion detector.
kd7nnv.net
 
2010-01-17 12:21:32 AM  
Man, if I had had such stupid admistrators and teacher as this 11 yr old had, when I was in school, they would have called the HazMat team amd swat team. I had chemicals, devices and all kind of contraptions at chemistry and physics class. Teachers loved me and I loved them. Got at 6 yr degree in chemistry and engineering in the medical profession. What a bunch of idiots.
 
2010-01-17 01:40:52 AM  
ElVee: Those that can, do.
Those that can't, teach.
Those that can't teach, administrate.
Those that can't administrate get elected.


OH DEAR GOD THIS

Sorry about that, it scratched my itch.
 
2010-01-17 01:44:17 AM  
The incident was caught on the school's video surveillance (new window)
 
2010-01-17 03:06:02 AM  
FarOutMan: I wonder if the school had blown up, how many of you would be blaming the administrator for not doing more to stop it?

Motion detectors don't blow up. You're thinking of a bomb.
 
2010-01-17 04:07:08 AM  
Somacandra: FarOutMan: I wonder if the school had blown up, how many of you would be blaming the administrator for not doing more to stop it?

Motion detectors don't blow up. You're thinking of a bomb.


which is really why the article is useless without a picture, or even a line drawing, or something. Especially if it were unlabelled and just lying there in a classroom, without the boy there to explain what it was until after the administrator and/or teacher called the cops in.
 
2010-01-17 04:08:19 AM  
to add to that, I can't view the surveillance video (if that was what zefal actually posted) to see what really happened, but I suspect that it isn't actually that video, anyway.
 
2010-01-17 04:19:55 AM  
Fear the Clam: skinink: "Officials decided to call in the explosives team to look over the object - which an administrator had confiscated and taken into a principal's office - as a precaution."

Well thank heaven there was a person stupid enough brave enough to move a suspicious device.

To the principal's office. Seriously, if you're brave enough to move something that you really and truly believe is a hazard to the kids in your care, why put it in the principal's office as opposed to, I dunno, the parking lot?


Actually I can't think of a better place to take a potential bomb, they should get all the id10ts involved with this gathered real close to inspect it. Tick, tick, tick...
 
2010-01-17 08:30:21 AM  
TsukasaK: maceinator: MacGabhain: Not tech or math related, but my wife just had an ENTIRE college class not be able to tell what she wrote on the board because it was in cursive. It was two words, and she has very good handwriting

Yeah, not taught anymore. My nephews, in college:

- can barely write legibly in block letters,
- can't solve for 'x' in x+5=13 (seriously),
- can't read or write cursive; a signature is a graphical image to them. They "sign" their names in block letters.

We have a very deep hole to dig out of. It will take decades to get back where we were, and that will still put us behind the rest of the world.

The only one that doesn't belong in that sequence is writing in cursive. Seriously, it's a dead art, like speaking latin. There is no reason beyond curiosity for it to be taught nowadays.


You talk like one of the blind men analyzing the elephant, sir. Cherry-picking is irrelevant here. As for cursive, I won't argue, though I don't agree. But as for Latin- you can't avoid it, as every line in your post demonstrates. Any more than we can avoid Rome.
 
2010-01-17 01:24:27 PM  
Anodos: Somacandra: FarOutMan: I wonder if the school had blown up, how many of you would be blaming the administrator for not doing more to stop it?

Motion detectors don't blow up. You're thinking of a bomb.

which is really why the article is useless without a picture, or even a line drawing, or something. Especially if it were unlabeled and just lying there in a classroom, without the boy there to explain what it was until after the administrator and/or teacher called the cops in.


At a school with a technical or science focus, shouldn't one of the adults be able to look at it and see what it was? What good would labels do if the adults cannot see what a things is or is not with their own eyes? Should I wish to do damed, should I just wheel in my bushel of homemade explosives with a sign reading "Not a Bomb"?

As for motivation based on zero tolerance and fear of law suits, schools need to give back the authority to make reasonable judgments to the teachers. If you can't trust the teachers and administrators to make reasonable judgments then do not hire them. School district lawyers need to grow a pair and say, "Sue us and we will counter-sue for filing frivolous lawsuit." The reason schools are more afraid of law suits than corporations are is that businesses know that law suits can be double edge swords. If people sue the school then the schools can sue the students and the parents right back, and when it all settles we'll see who the jury thinks is at fault and to what degree. A waste of resources, but better than letting education be held hostage to the mere threat of legal action.
 
2010-01-17 01:28:27 PM  
Aunt Crabby: Anodos: Somacandra: FarOutMan: I wonder if the school had blown up, how many of you would be blaming the administrator for not doing more to stop it?

Motion detectors don't blow up. You're thinking of a bomb.

which is really why the article is useless without a picture, or even a line drawing, or something. Especially if it were unlabeled and just lying there in a classroom, without the boy there to explain what it was until after the administrator and/or teacher called the cops in.

At a school with a technical or science focus, shouldn't one of the adults be able to look at it and see what it was? What good would labels do if the adults cannot see what a things is or is not with their own eyes? Should I wish to do damed, should I just wheel in my bushel of homemade explosives with a sign reading "Not a Bomb"?

As for motivation based on zero tolerance and fear of law suits, schools need to give back the authority to make reasonable judgments to the teachers. If you can't trust the teachers and administrators to make reasonable judgments then do not hire them. School district lawyers need to grow a pair and say, "Sue us and we will counter-sue for filing frivolous lawsuit." The reason schools are more afraid of law suits than corporations are is that businesses know that law suits can be double edge swords. If people sue the school then the schools can sue the students and the parents right back, and when it all settles we'll see who the jury thinks is at fault and to what degree. A waste of resources, but better than letting education be held hostage to the mere threat of legal action.


believe me, I'm not a fan of the school's (over)reaction, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate, I guess... I'd imagine it was a case of some paranoid/dense administrator, at a school where that isn't a good attribute, but who holds that job for certain institutional reasons in the education profession, and they likely wouldn't know a bomb from a "my first circuits" play-board.
 
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