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2010-01-14 10:48:53 PM  
Weapon of Maidenhead Destruction?
 
2010-01-14 11:12:25 PM  
Oh man, Mr Roper is going to kick him out of the apartment for sure this time.
 
2010-01-14 11:26:28 PM  
Red Shirt Blues: This is the second time he's been busted on this stuff.

You know, part of me still wonders if Cheney and friends set him up. He was one of the few voices of reason in 2002-03, then WHAM pedo charges. Especially these days, it doesn't get much more discredited than that.
 
2010-01-14 11:52:41 PM  
well, this totally discredits him. obviously, there were WMD and the iraq invasion was justified. i feel so embarrassed that i doubted president bush.
 
2010-01-15 12:00:31 AM  
APPROVES
http://tinyurl.com/yeodbbc
(copy and paste, PNSFW)
 
2010-01-15 12:01:00 AM  
Again?
 
2010-01-15 12:01:42 AM  
This day and age isn't it common knowledge that there are no girls on the internet. I am going to argue legal impossibility and lack of any of the elements of the crime. He had to have known it was a 40 year old fat man eating a doughnut.
 
2010-01-15 12:03:07 AM  
NeauxFear: Red Shirt Blues: This is the second time he's been busted on this stuff.

You know, part of me still wonders if Cheney and friends set him up. He was one of the few voices of reason in 2002-03, then WHAM pedo charges. Especially these days, it doesn't get much more discredited than that.


He was very critical of Saddam's regime and their complete lack of cooperation. When the UN weapons inspectors tried to enter many locations, they were detained while large trucks would be driving in and out for a couple of hours, then finally the inspectors were let in. Then one day Ritter did a complete one-eighty and said there was nothing to be found and nothing to see. Most likely he was either bribed with young girls or blackmailed.
 
2010-01-15 12:05:44 AM  
All I can say is EWWWWW! And...

what the heck was he thinking?
 
2010-01-15 12:10:38 AM  
OgreMagi: He was very critical of Saddam's regime and their complete lack of cooperation. When the UN weapons inspectors tried to enter many locations, they were detained while large trucks would be driving in and out for a couple of hours, then finally the inspectors were let in. Then one day Ritter did a complete one-eighty and said there was nothing to be found and nothing to see. Most likely he was either bribed with young girls or blackmailed.

Very possibly. However, he was as critical of our own side during that whole fiasco, even while he was critical of Saddam. Before his 180, I mean. From what he was saying, he was pissed at Saddam's shenanigans, but he also made it sound as though Bush/Cheney didn't want him to dig too thoroughly.

Don't get me wrong -- I don't think there's a vast right-wing conspiracy against Ritter. But something is definitely rotten in the state of Denmark.
 
2010-01-15 12:11:31 AM  
Wait, if he's a pedo, then his enemies are automatically correct about everything! That's how it works!
 
2010-01-15 12:13:11 AM  
Studson: This day and age isn't it common knowledge that there are no girls on the internet.

img.photobucket.com
 
2010-01-15 12:14:32 AM  
COOL!

Now we can point to THIS anytime someone says that Bush and Cheney and the NeoConSraelis weren't following the will of God when they lied like dogs to trick us into invading Iraq.

COOL!
 
2010-01-15 12:14:35 AM  
FlashHarry: well, this totally discredits him. obviously, there were WMD and the iraq invasion was justified. i feel so embarrassed that i doubted president bush.

you mean the unused labs found in the desert

the chemical rounds found in the and that were 20 years old and had a unknown substance

or the big arse shiat he left in the toilet before he left his main compound for the 1st armor to find. "i actually was there in tht castle after it was bombed the whole compond was awsome. i have a vid of me splunking through that castle taking a look at the damage 3 cruise missles make. man was that a mess."

or are you using your sarcasm voice
 
2010-01-15 12:15:28 AM  
There are plenty of girls on the internet. With real vaginas.

Especially, here in Colombia.

www.manizalitas.com
 
2010-01-15 12:15:46 AM  
pic.phyrefile.com
I hear there's a seat open in the UN?
 
2010-01-15 12:15:53 AM  
So HE was the one hiding weapons of ass destruction?
 
2010-01-15 12:17:35 AM  
gorgor: APPROVES
http://tinyurl.com/yeodbbc
(copy and paste, PNSFW)


Great minds.
 
2010-01-15 12:18:39 AM  
gorgor

Dude, you got me...you always deliver the goods!
 
2010-01-15 12:19:28 AM  
NeauxFear: Red Shirt Blues: This is the second time he's been busted on this stuff.

You know, part of me still wonders if Cheney and friends set him up. He was one of the few voices of reason in 2002-03, then WHAM pedo charges. Especially these days, it doesn't get much more discredited than that.


fc09.deviantart.net
Not to worry, chum, now he'll get to the bottom of things.
 
2010-01-15 12:19:41 AM  
OgreMagi: NeauxFear: Red Shirt Blues: This is the second time he's been busted on this stuff.

You know, part of me still wonders if Cheney and friends set him up. He was one of the few voices of reason in 2002-03, then WHAM pedo charges. Especially these days, it doesn't get much more discredited than that.

He was very critical of Saddam's regime and their complete lack of cooperation. When the UN weapons inspectors tried to enter many locations, they were detained while large trucks would be driving in and out for a couple of hours, then finally the inspectors were let in. Then one day Ritter did a complete one-eighty and said there was nothing to be found and nothing to see. Most likely he was either bribed with young girls or blackmailed.


I dunno, it looks like he was correct in his assessment at first. Later he seems to have let himself get carried away and would take any position as long as it was contrary to what the administration was doing or thought they were doing. He's wrong a lot more often than he's correct. Probably the only way he can make a living now is selling shiat to hard core chomsky conspiracy theory types. Oh, and he'll be doing this shiat with minors until they lock him up for good. These guy's never change.
 
2010-01-15 12:22:10 AM  
OgreMagi: NeauxFear: Red Shirt Blues: This is the second time he's been busted on this stuff.

You know, part of me still wonders if Cheney and friends set him up. He was one of the few voices of reason in 2002-03, then WHAM pedo charges. Especially these days, it doesn't get much more discredited than that.

He was very critical of Saddam's regime and their complete lack of cooperation. When the UN weapons inspectors tried to enter many locations, they were detained while large trucks would be driving in and out for a couple of hours, then finally the inspectors were let in. Then one day Ritter did a complete one-eighty and said there was nothing to be found and nothing to see. Most likely he was either bribed with young girls or blackmailed.


Your story is almost perfect... aside from the minor detail that we invaded farking Iraq and never found ANYTHING like the fearmongering NeoConned spooks were crowing about.

If Ritter is guilty, there are many worthy to be his cellmates.
 
2010-01-15 12:24:59 AM  
OgreMagi: NeauxFear: Red Shirt Blues: This is the second time he's been busted on this stuff.

You know, part of me still wonders if Cheney and friends set him up. He was one of the few voices of reason in 2002-03, then WHAM pedo charges. Especially these days, it doesn't get much more discredited than that.

He was very critical of Saddam's regime and their complete lack of cooperation. When the UN weapons inspectors tried to enter many locations, they were detained while large trucks would be driving in and out for a couple of hours, then finally the inspectors were let in. Then one day Ritter did a complete one-eighty and said there was nothing to be found and nothing to see. Most likely he was either bribed with young girls or blackmailed.


NeauxFear: OgreMagi: He was very critical of Saddam's regime and their complete lack of cooperation. When the UN weapons inspectors tried to enter many locations, they were detained while large trucks would be driving in and out for a couple of hours, then finally the inspectors were let in. Then one day Ritter did a complete one-eighty and said there was nothing to be found and nothing to see. Most likely he was either bribed with young girls or blackmailed.

Very possibly. However, he was as critical of our own side during that whole fiasco, even while he was critical of Saddam. Before his 180, I mean. From what he was saying, he was pissed at Saddam's shenanigans, but he also made it sound as though Bush/Cheney didn't want him to dig too thoroughly.

Don't get me wrong -- I don't think there's a vast right-wing conspiracy against Ritter. But something is definitely rotten in the state of Denmark.


A horrible consequence of fame is being put under a microscope.

I only hope that webcam video of him doesn't show up in a Gorgor link.
 
2010-01-15 12:27:31 AM  
NeauxFear: Red Shirt Blues: This is the second time he's been busted on this stuff.

You know, part of me still wonders if Cheney and friends set him up. He was one of the few voices of reason in 2002-03, then WHAM pedo charges. Especially these days, it doesn't get much more discredited than that.


It was probably a politically motivated sting, but apparently he took the bait.
 
2010-01-15 12:28:28 AM  
culebra: Great minds.

Three's Company
http://tinyurl.com/y8tmqr5
(copy and paste, NSFW)
 
2010-01-15 12:30:59 AM  
Its interesting that he seems to have gotten out of the first incident without much in the way of punishment. I wonder who decided to take it easy on the suddenly heroic Ritter? Good thing Mr Brave Guy didn't do any hard time the first time huh?
 
2010-01-15 12:31:26 AM  
Okay lemme ask you this. If I pay an adult prostitute who is pretending to be underage for sex, have I committed a crime, other than picking up a hooker? What if I genuinely believed she was underage?

Discuss.
 
2010-01-15 12:31:53 AM  
gorgor: Three's Company

Goddammit, I salute you. You know the salesman's adage about how it takes seven "no"s to get a "yes?" With you, it's like it takes 700 horrible saggy tit pics to get one gem.
 
2010-01-15 12:33:11 AM  
skantea: NeauxFear: Red Shirt Blues: This is the second time he's been busted on this stuff.

You know, part of me still wonders if Cheney and friends set him up. He was one of the few voices of reason in 2002-03, then WHAM pedo charges. Especially these days, it doesn't get much more discredited than that.

It was probably a politically motivated sting, but apparently he took the bait.


How could that possibly work?
 
2010-01-15 12:33:48 AM  
HO HOOOO!!! Did NOT see that one coming!

//Really, Scott?
///REALLY?
 
2010-01-15 12:37:42 AM  
Assimilate This: Okay lemme ask you this. If I pay an adult prostitute who is pretending to be underage for sex, have I committed a crime, other than picking up a hooker? What if I genuinely believed she was underage?

Discuss.


No. And if you fly to another country with express intent to bang some one younger than 16(if you are a us citizen) then you can be grabbed when you come back. Even if the age of consent in that country is lower. For example, it is 14 where I live.
 
2010-01-15 12:39:17 AM  
essucht: Its interesting that he seems to have gotten out of the first incident without much in the way of punishment. I wonder who decided to take it easy on the suddenly heroic Ritter? Good thing Mr Brave Guy didn't do any hard time the first time huh?

Yeah, that's fishy.
 
2010-01-15 12:42:06 AM  
theflatline: Assimilate This: Okay lemme ask you this. If I pay an adult prostitute who is pretending to be underage for sex, have I committed a crime, other than picking up a hooker? What if I genuinely believed she was underage?

Discuss.

No. And if you fly to another country with express intent to bang some one younger than 16(if you are a us citizen) then you can be grabbed when you come back. Even if the age of consent in that country is lower. For example, it is 14 where I live.


The kookiest consent law i've seen is that in NM, the age is 16, but 13 if she's not a virgin.

So as long as she's a slut, fark the 13 year old!

So classy.
 
2010-01-15 12:43:03 AM  
theflatline No. And if you fly to another country with express intent to bang some one younger than 16(if you are a us citizen) then you can be grabbed when you come back. Even if the age of consent in that country is lower. For example, it is 14 where I live.

That brings up a very interesting discussion. Should American citizens be prosecuted for breaking U.S. laws when abroad? As far as I know, I could technically be prosecuted for purchasing a Cuban cigar, which seems like bullshiat to me. Where I live right now, the age of consent is 13. I would hope any adult who actually has sex whith a girl at that age would be prosecuted to the furthest extent of the law....where do we draw the line?
 
2010-01-15 12:45:37 AM  
skantea: NeauxFear: Red Shirt Blues: This is the second time he's been busted on this stuff.

You know, part of me still wonders if Cheney and friends set him up. He was one of the few voices of reason in 2002-03, then WHAM pedo charges. Especially these days, it doesn't get much more discredited than that.

It was probably a politically motivated sting, but apparently he took the bait.


Example: Spitzer, Eliot

If you know you have powerful enemies... stay away from whorehouses!
 
2010-01-15 12:46:26 AM  
rigamrts: FlashHarry: well, this totally discredits him. obviously, there were WMD and the iraq invasion was justified. i feel so embarrassed that i doubted president bush.

you mean the unused labs found in the desert

the chemical rounds found in the and that were 20 years old and had a unknown substance

or the big arse shiat he left in the toilet before he left his main compound for the 1st armor to find. "i actually was there in tht castle after it was bombed the whole compond was awsome. i have a vid of me splunking through that castle taking a look at the damage 3 cruise missles make. man was that a mess."

or are you using your sarcasm voice


You forgot the trucks that went off into the desert. Those were actually scoured by the Iraqis before the US forces could locate them. A soldier on the ground is noted as saying that the trucks were gutted, but the structures and markings remaining lined up to a lab setup.

/Dude was a war hero
//And went through hell for our country with Seal Team 10
 
2010-01-15 12:47:16 AM  
Ok, the guy is reeeaaaaally into underage girls. Got it.

Meanwhile, he was still absolutely correct in his assessment of Iraq's WMD.

For anyone who actually understood the Iraq WMD issue, he didn't actually do a 180, he was talking about different criteria. From a qualitative standpoint, Iraq WAS disarmed--every educated person understood there were no more stockpiles of actual weapons. But from a quantitative standpoint, Iraq was not in compliance, because they wouldn't hand over paperwork.

The only issue was paperwork. Blueprints and records, and so forth. Everyone knew the stockpiles were destroyed, or completely past their shelf date.

I'm not so sure about his assessments about Iran. And I'm quite skeptical about his assessments of 14-year-old girls.
 
2010-01-15 12:53:09 AM  
Scott Ritter, an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, is alleged to have exchanged sexual messages with a police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl.

Let me guess, the police officer was over 18, consented to and probably initiated the chat. This is a crime ... how?
 
2010-01-15 12:55:35 AM  
Assimilate This: Okay lemme ask you this. If I pay an adult prostitute who is pretending to be underage for sex, have I committed a crime, other than picking up a hooker? What if I genuinely believed she was underage?

Discuss.


only if it's a cop. And not only are you guilty, you're also a pedo.
 
2010-01-15 12:55:54 AM  
Fano: skantea: NeauxFear: Red Shirt Blues: This is the second time he's been busted on this stuff.

You know, part of me still wonders if Cheney and friends set him up. He was one of the few voices of reason in 2002-03, then WHAM pedo charges. Especially these days, it doesn't get much more discredited than that.

It was probably a politically motivated sting, but apparently he took the bait.

Example: Spitzer, Eliot

If you know you have powerful enemies... stay away from whorehouses!


they had no idea spitzer was paying for it when they started digging into that. I think his bank may have reported the cash movements under the anti terror laws IIRC.
 
2010-01-15 12:57:20 AM  
moothemagiccow: Scott Ritter, an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, is alleged to have exchanged sexual messages with a police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl.

Let me guess, the police officer was over 18, consented to and probably initiated the chat. This is a crime ... how?


Let me guess, you have 80 pages, are college ruled and held together with adhesive and binding, and made of paper. You're not a notebook ... how?

God, that works for soo many things!
 
2010-01-15 12:59:31 AM  
FlashHarry: well, this totally discredits him. obviously, there were WMD and the iraq invasion was justified. i feel so embarrassed that i doubted president bush.

So you are pro pedophile. I will mark you down for that. Thank you.
 
2010-01-15 01:00:22 AM  
moothemagiccow: Scott Ritter, an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, is alleged to have exchanged sexual messages with a police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl.

Let me guess, the police officer was over 18, consented to and probably initiated the chat. This is a crime ... how?


IANAL, but my understanding is that proving intent is enough to convict someone in these cases.
 
2010-01-15 01:03:37 AM  
moothemagiccow: Scott Ritter, an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, is alleged to have exchanged sexual messages with a police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl.

Let me guess, the police officer was over 18, consented to and probably initiated the chat. This is a crime ... how?


He jacked off into the camera while he thought a little girl was watching. IIRC it's the intention and the attempt that matters, not if you could actually accomplish what you set out to do (jack off to/in front of a little girl). So if you got your bank robbing kit together and got your car and park in front of what you mistakenly thought was a bank, they would still charge you with attempted bank robbery. IIRC. Big if there in that iirc.
 
2010-01-15 01:04:50 AM  
NeauxFear: Red Shirt Blues: This is the second time he's been busted on this stuff.

You know, part of me still wonders if Cheney and friends set him up. He was one of the few voices of reason in 2002-03, then WHAM pedo charges. Especially these days, it doesn't get much more discredited than that.


Since he got caught *AGAIN* I don't think it's a setup. I also wonder if his voice of "reason" might have been due to this.

OgreMagi: NeauxFear: Red Shirt Blues: This is the second time he's been busted on this stuff.

You know, part of me still wonders if Cheney and friends set him up. He was one of the few voices of reason in 2002-03, then WHAM pedo charges. Especially these days, it doesn't get much more discredited than that.

He was very critical of Saddam's regime and their complete lack of cooperation. When the UN weapons inspectors tried to enter many locations, they were detained while large trucks would be driving in and out for a couple of hours, then finally the inspectors were let in. Then one day Ritter did a complete one-eighty and said there was nothing to be found and nothing to see. Most likely he was either bribed with young girls or blackmailed.


Why "or"? Couldn't it be both?

moothemagiccow: Scott Ritter, an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, is alleged to have exchanged sexual messages with a police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl.

Let me guess, the police officer was over 18, consented to and probably initiated the chat. This is a crime ... how?


The cops are careful not to initiate, only respond. That's the problem with groups like Perverted Justice--they're not careful about where the line lies, or to document *EVERYTHING*. (After all, one line at the start saying she wants to pretend to be a young girl being seduced changes the whole picture.)
 
2010-01-15 01:06:08 AM  
moothemagiccow: Scott Ritter, an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, is alleged to have exchanged sexual messages with a police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl.

Let me guess, the police officer was over 18, consented to and probably initiated the chat. This is a crime ... how?


I'm with you. They can execute ACTUAL pedos on primetime TV for all I care, but messaging an adult is not a crime. It shouldn't matter what Ritter thought he was doing, only what was happening in objective reality.

If I THINK I hit a pedestrian in my car, but it turns out to only be a dog, should I still be charged with manslaughter?
 
2010-01-15 01:07:02 AM  
relcec: moothemagiccow: Scott Ritter, an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, is alleged to have exchanged sexual messages with a police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl.

Let me guess, the police officer was over 18, consented to and probably initiated the chat. This is a crime ... how?

He jacked off into the camera while he thought a little girl was watching. IIRC it's the intention and the attempt that matters, not if you could actually accomplish what you set out to do (jack off to/in front of a little girl). So if you got your bank robbing kit together and got your car and park in front of what you mistakenly thought was a bank, they would still charge you with attempted bank robbery. IIRC. Big if there in that iirc.


What's next, a nobel prize for attempted chemistry?
 
2010-01-15 01:13:01 AM  
Rug DoctorIf I THINK I hit a pedestrian in my car, but it turns out to only be a dog, should I still be charged with manslaughter?
If you THINK you are picking up a prostitute, but it turns out to be an undercover cop, should you still be charged with solicitation? Until we can find a better way to catch these sick pedos, I'm all for these stings. If you are a normal, well adjusted member of society, you have no need to worry about getting busted.
 
2010-01-15 01:13:03 AM  
Rug Doctor: moothemagiccow: Scott Ritter, an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, is alleged to have exchanged sexual messages with a police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl.

Let me guess, the police officer was over 18, consented to and probably initiated the chat. This is a crime ... how?

I'm with you. They can execute ACTUAL pedos on primetime TV for all I care, but messaging an adult is not a crime. It shouldn't matter what Ritter thought he was doing, only what was happening in objective reality.

If I THINK I hit a pedestrian in my car, but it turns out to only be a dog, should I still be charged with manslaughter?


Manslaughter is just for killing someone. You didn't kill anyone, so no. They aren't charging him with actually jacking off in front of a girl, just attempting to, I imagine.
 
2010-01-15 01:14:51 AM  
kidsizedcoffin: relcec: moothemagiccow: Scott Ritter, an outspoken critic of the war in Iraq, is alleged to have exchanged sexual messages with a police officer posing as a 15-year-old girl.

Let me guess, the police officer was over 18, consented to and probably initiated the chat. This is a crime ... how?

He jacked off into the camera while he thought a little girl was watching. IIRC it's the intention and the attempt that matters, not if you could actually accomplish what you set out to do (jack off to/in front of a little girl). So if you got your bank robbing kit together and got your car and park in front of what you mistakenly thought was a bank, they would still charge you with attempted bank robbery. IIRC. Big if there in that iirc.

What's next, a nobel prize for attempted chemistry?


nobel prize for attempted peace while escalating a war? stranger things have happened.
 
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