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(ABC)   First the FDA came for our clove cigarettes, and we did not speak out. Next the FDA came for our e-cigarettes, and we said: not yours, can't have   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 213
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2010-01-14 06:59:52 PM  
Does this mean I can stop stockpiling 901 attys and batts now? It's getting kind of expensive.
 
2010-01-14 07:11:24 PM  
Does anyone here use these, and what's your opinion of them?
 
2010-01-14 07:27:49 PM  
Relatively Obscure: Does anyone here use these, and what's your opinion of them?

I used them the first month that I quit smoking. They won't make you forget a real cigarette, but they give you enough nicotine and smoking sensation to really cut cravings and withdrawls. They were a big help when we would go out drinking and I got a REALLY strong urge to smoke a cigarette.

If I were still smoking, I think they would be really handy for long flights or other times where you can't smoke for a really long time.
 
2010-01-14 07:48:31 PM  
I tried one. It just isn't quite the same. A friend of mine did some modifications on his to give him more of a puff like with a regular cigarette. I'm too lazy to do that. I expect, though, that as the technology improves (especially battery technology, my other biggest problems was the battery running out too quickly), they will get better and better. Give it another year or two, and you might find an e-cig to be just as good as the cancer sticks.
 
2010-01-14 07:49:37 PM  
Brown says the e-cigarettes contain dangerous chemicals and are being marketed to children.

I agree with Jerry Brown sometimes, but in this case:


SHUT UP JERRY BROWN, YOU COCK!
 
2010-01-14 09:48:31 PM  
The preliminary ruling by U.S. District Judge Richard Leon came as California Attorney General Jerry Brown sought in a state court to halt one company's sale of electronic cigarettes. Brown says the e-cigarettes contain dangerous chemicals and are being marketed to children.

Unlike real cigarettes...
 
2010-01-14 09:49:43 PM  
What happened to clove cigarettes? I don't smoke the nasty things any more, just curious.
 
2010-01-14 09:50:23 PM  
Attorney General Moonbeam

/that is all
 
2010-01-14 09:51:18 PM  
Glitchwerks: What happened to clove cigarettes? I don't smoke the nasty things any more, just curious.

Came here to ask the same thing...

/quit 'em few years ago
//clove gum FTW
 
2010-01-14 09:51:25 PM  
I use one. Mine's called the Screwdriver, it's a neat little device that turns a vegetable glycerine nicotine solution and burns it through a middle atomizer. A mouthpiece is attached on top with the liquid right inside of it, in some kind of cotton or mesh paper?

Dunno, but it works great. Feels like smoking, except without all the death. I like it.
 
2010-01-14 09:52:38 PM  
Glitchwerks: What happened to clove cigarettes? I don't smoke the nasty things any more, just curious.

They got banned. But the companies just got around it by wrapping them in tobacco leaves and branding them as cigars.
 
2010-01-14 09:53:13 PM  
Cheesy e-cig reviews here:
Link (new window)
Link (new window)
 
2010-01-14 09:53:15 PM  
they're selling cloves as 'mini-cigars' now in Pennsylvania.
 
2010-01-14 09:53:17 PM  
Vaporizers are awesome and are the future. FWIW, nicotine is what's good in cigarettes, besides the whole dependency aspect.

Once people in general realize you can safely and effectively vaporize marijuana, however, that'll do the trick.
 
2010-01-14 09:53:52 PM  
901 attysGlitchwerks: What happened to clove cigarettes? I don't smoke the nasty things any more, just curious.

Recently the feds banned ANY additional flavoring in cigarettes except menthol. This was allegedly in response to some form of fruit flavors or whatever that some company was trying. I never saw them.

Cloves were not allowed; only menthol. Cloves are officially banned... done. Cannot be had in the USA.
 
2010-01-14 09:54:07 PM  
If they find a way to make an E cigarette, I might consider starting smoking.

/nnntss nnntss nnntss
 
2010-01-14 09:54:11 PM  
Relatively Obscure: Does anyone here use these, and what's your opinion of them?

Not the same, but they don't smell, the nicotine hit is still there, and it certainly gives your hands and mouth something to do if you are going through a nic fit while trying to quit.

I quit a year ago with Chantix and Nicorette, but if I had known they were selling these I would have sprung for one. I actually tried my first one about a month ago just to see what it was like because my lady friend is using it while trying to quit. It was enough of a hit to give me a buzz, but not enough like smoking a real cigarette to make me run back to the devil weed.

It smells about a thousand times better, though. It's water vapor, not actual smoke, so less stink.
 
2010-01-14 09:54:24 PM  
Glitchwerks: What happened to clove cigarettes?

They were "banned" as were any flavors other than menthol as "flavored smokes are obviously only for children" you can still get them in packs of 12 labeled "little Cigars" from Djarum.

as far as the e-smokes I have one it's not bad, I just have issues with regulating how much nicotine I'm getting as it doesn't shorten or go out like a regular one-other than that it's about the same....
 
2010-01-14 09:54:46 PM  
mantabulous: Glitchwerks: What happened to clove cigarettes? I don't smoke the nasty things any more, just curious.

They got banned. But the companies just got around it by wrapping them in tobacco leaves and branding them as cigars.


Really? You can't get Djarum anymore? :(
 
2010-01-14 09:55:53 PM  
What I'm really pissed about is that flavored papers were under that ban. No more flavored jays.
 
2010-01-14 09:56:02 PM  
Cloves were banned last year when they banned all flavored cigarettes (other than menthol) because they were "targeting children" or some such crap. I hadn't smoked a clove in years but got the urge for one the day I found out about it (the day after the ban took effect).
 
2010-01-14 09:56:07 PM  
studebaker hoch: If they find a way to make an E cigarette, I might consider starting smoking.

/nnntss nnntss nnntss


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2010-01-14 09:56:16 PM  
mantabulous: They got banned. But the companies just got around it by wrapping them in tobacco leaves and branding them as cigars.

Ah, I see. I can't remember why I stopped smoking them. I think I climbed a flight of stairs and wondered why the hell I was out of breath when I reached the top. Horrible, horrible things.
 
2010-01-14 09:57:21 PM  
Why would our idiot lawmakers ban clove cigarettes, unless they ban normal cigarettes?

I know I'm trying to apply logic to our lawmakers, I do that sometimes.
 
2010-01-14 09:57:48 PM  
chezzmxd3: they're selling cloves as 'mini-cigars' now in Pennsylvania.

Yeah, in fact there's a big question there. Flavorings were not banned in cigars, and IIRC most cigars did have flavorings that were banned in cigs. Now when the fed issued this ban, they didn't rigidly define the cigarette, and that caused a huge question. On one hand you have shops selling "cigars" that look an awful lot like cigarettes. On the other hand, there were frightened vendors throwing out cigars that might be interpreted as cigarette-like. The penalties for flavored cigarettes were potentially pretty harsh so some established shops were concerned.
 
2010-01-14 09:59:39 PM  
This case appears to be yet another example of FDA's aggressive efforts to regulate recreational tobacco products as drugs

Tobacco is a drug. It's just for historical/cultural reasons that certain drugs (alcohol, tobacco) are not treated as drugs and everything else is.
 
2010-01-14 09:59:45 PM  
bmihura: Why would our idiot lawmakers ban clove cigarettes, unless they ban normal cigarettes?

I know I'm trying to apply logic to our lawmakers, I do that sometimes.


Because kids might smoke them and love the smooth, candy-flavored taste of inhaling smoke. Kids don't smoke because it's cool, but because clove-flavored cigarettes just taste so much better than a tootsie pop. Thus, the only logical thing to do is to ban all flavored cigarettes for everyone.
 
2010-01-14 09:59:53 PM  
mantabulous Quote 2010-01-14 09:52:38 PM
Glitchwerks: What happened to clove cigarettes? I don't smoke the nasty things any more, just curious.

They got banned. But the companies just got around it by wrapping them in tobacco leaves and branding them as cigars.


Really, they got banned? hmmm...I havent smoked one since college (graduated '97) come to think of it I havent really seen them around much anymore. I would sometimes smoke those Djarums that were filterless and I imagine were hand wrapped. Blech.
 
2010-01-14 09:59:59 PM  
tzzhc4: You can't get Djarum anymore? :(

Those Djarum clove cigarettes hit the lungs like a mixture of sawdust and broken glass shards.
 
2010-01-14 10:00:59 PM  
Glitchwerks: What happened to clove cigarettes? I don't smoke the nasty things any more, just curious.

Curse your lazy ass with interesting questions that drive me off my lazy ass to wiki it. let me paste it for you...

In the United States, cigarettes were the subject of legal restrictions and political debate, including a proposed 2009 US Senate bill that would have prohibited cigarettes from having a "characterising flavor" of certain ingredients other than tobacco and menthol.[12] A study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control found kreteks account for a relatively small percentage of underage smoking, and their use was declining among high school students.[13] Critics of the bill argued that support of the bill by the large U.S. tobacco maker Philip Morris, which makes only conventional and menthol cigarettes, indicated that the bill was an attempt to protect the company from competition.[14]

Some U.S. states, including Utah, New Mexico, and Maryland, passed laws that prohibit the sale of kreteks.[15] On 14 March 2005, Philip Morris International announced the purchase of Indonesian tobacco company PT HM Sampoerna after acquiring a 40% stake in Sampoerna from a number of Sampoerna's principal shareholders.[16]

In 2009, the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act was introduced in the US Congress and signed into law by President Barack Obama, giving the FDA significantly more regulatory power over tobacco; one of the provisions in the law includes a ban on the use of flavors in tobacco, other than menthol. The ban includes kreteks. As of September 22, 2009 the clove cigarette was no longer legal to sell or distribute in the US. However, Kretek International Inc., importer of the Djarum brand continued to offer the clove / tobacco products as little cigars, which have lower taxes and looser restrictions than cigarettes.
 
2010-01-14 10:01:24 PM  
I'll start smoking when we get the iCig.

/maybe it'll be an iPhone app? A smokeable phone?
 
2010-01-14 10:01:49 PM  
mantabulous: bmihura: Why would our idiot lawmakers ban clove cigarettes, unless they ban normal cigarettes?

I know I'm trying to apply logic to our lawmakers, I do that sometimes.

Because kids might smoke them and love the smooth, candy-flavored taste of inhaling smoke. Kids don't smoke because it's cool, but because clove-flavored cigarettes just taste so much better than a tootsie pop. Thus, the only logical thing to do is to ban all flavored cigarettes for everyone.


This is why we can trust them to continue to protect the profits of the death dealing big tobacco. These things that remove all aspect of lung cancer have to be outlawed. Think of the children!
 
2010-01-14 10:02:22 PM  
Man, I miss smoking; cloves and Camels.


/7 years smoke free.
// just quit, no tricks.
 
2010-01-14 10:02:46 PM  
This is why I switched to tobacco pipes. The poor little cigarette has been poisoned, stomped on, and viewed as a major threat to environmental gremlins.
 
2010-01-14 10:02:58 PM  
bighasbeen: Brown says the e-cigarettes contain dangerous chemicals and are being marketed to children.

I agree with Jerry Brown sometimes, but in this case:


SHUT UP JERRY BROWN, YOU COCK!


Oh, find the damn California Uber Alles lyrics yourself
 
2010-01-14 10:04:25 PM  
Oznog: I'll start smoking when we get the iCig.

/maybe it'll be an iPhone app? A smokeable phone?


A douche flavored smoke?
 
2010-01-14 10:04:29 PM  
Keep two things in mind, before you start using these things:

1.) The nicotine is still addictive. You will want to keep using them.

2.) Because these products are not regulated as drugs, there is a risk that at least some of them make vapors with other chemicals besides nicotine in them. You should ask what it is you are actually inhaling.

The fact that a lot of people have used them with no apparent ill effects does not mean that there couldn't be long-term effects. look at smokeless tobacco, for instance.
 
2010-01-14 10:05:10 PM  
Glitchwerks: What happened to clove cigarettes? I don't smoke the nasty things any more, just curious.

Stupid Henry Waxman and the H.R. 1256- Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act (new window)

Basically, it says to protect kids, they need to ban the sale of a tobacco product that accounts for about .5-1% of all tobacco sales to the 15-24 age demographic and leave the product that accounts for 60%+ of sales alone. Because only children like flavored tobacco cigarettes.

from Wiki:

The bill bans flavored cigarettes, including cloves, cinnamon, candy, and fruit flavors, with a special exception for menthol cigarettes. Because the exception helps the largest maker of menthols, Phillip Morris, and eliminates potential competition, the bill has been nicknamed the Marlboro Monopoly act of 2009.[5] Philip Morris strongly supports FDA regulation.[6][7] The exemption was reportedly influenced by the Congressional Black Caucus.[3][4] The Tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee provisioned under the bill is to submit a recommendation on menthol cigarettes to the United States Secretary of Health and Human Services no later than one year after its establishment.

Clove cigarettes (which represent .09 percent of all cigarettes purchased in the United States), and flavor cigarettes (which have an even smaller market share) are a red herring.
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/bitter as fark
 
2010-01-14 10:05:43 PM  
Does anyone grow tobacco in their basement yet? Can you buy tobacco seeds?
 
2010-01-14 10:07:26 PM  
The problem with clove cigarettes is that you can smoke them for years, then one day you have one and it kicks you into aniphylactic shock and could possibly kill you.

/That and you smell like a clove smoking hippy
 
2010-01-14 10:07:42 PM  
Noam Chimpsky: Does anyone grow tobacco in their basement yet? Can you buy tobacco seeds?

I was led to understand that growing tobacco is a total biatch of a process.
 
2010-01-14 10:08:35 PM  
Ive been pretty angry about all the cigarette legislation going on lately. First they raised the taxes a ton, then they banned cloves, recently in michigan they passed a no smoking bill and now we have these crappy 'fire safe' cigarettes. Why cant it become fashionable to hate upon other bad habits besides just cigarettes all the time?

oh i think i am going to switch to rolling my own here before too long with all this crap going on.
 
2010-01-14 10:08:58 PM  
Let people kill themselves, let them die, they're stupid. My mom smokes and she's dumber than a bag of bricks, no one will miss that stupid biatch.
 
2010-01-14 10:09:06 PM  
stuhayes2010: Man, I miss smoking.

We had some good times
 
2010-01-14 10:10:20 PM  
jeffrey626: Why cant it become fashionable to hate upon other bad habits besides just cigarettes all the time?

Because everyone needs to feel better than someone else and hating on smokers works for people who need to express superiority and/or victim complexes.
 
2010-01-14 10:10:21 PM  
Noam Chimpsky: Does anyone grow tobacco in their basement yet? Can you buy tobacco seeds?

You need a good, warm climate for tobacco. Much harder to grow in your basement than pot.
 
2010-01-14 10:10:25 PM  
Why do I want a clove cigarette all of a sudden?

/Must Find
 
2010-01-14 10:10:51 PM  
The fact is, for all the bullshiat you hear from the government, they don't want to stop smoking.

Government makes more profit than tobacco companies. Taxes on tobacco products are greater than profits. Government isn't regulating big tobacco, government *IS* big tobacco. The tobacco companies are now the junior partners... they function as the superficial villains while the government makes the profits off of marketing tobacco to children.

If we can believe that big evil tobacco companies are willing to harm people for profit, then why can't we believe that the government will do the same?

Basically, the government wants to see as many people smoke as possible. e-cigarettes are an extremely effective tool for quitting smoking, therefore the government wants to stop it.

This is why the legalized prostitution in Nevada lobbies for HIGHER TAX ON PROSTITUTION!!! Because taxes are like crack cocaine for politicians. You get you product highly taxed, you get the government dependent on that tax revenue, and the politicians will sell their soul to protect you!
 
2010-01-14 10:10:59 PM  
Clove oil is freely available. If you are really missing clove cigarettes, I'm sure you can figure out a way to improvise.
 
2010-01-14 10:11:24 PM  
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