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(ABC)   First the FDA came for our clove cigarettes, and we did not speak out. Next the FDA came for our e-cigarettes, and we said: not yours, can't have   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 213
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2010-01-14 11:12:18 PM  
MountainClimber: /That and you smell like a clove smoking hippygoth

FTFY

Hippies smell like either patchouli or popcorn shrimp and ass.
 
2010-01-14 11:13:49 PM  
Fizics: Only losers smoke, and no stepson of mine is going to be a smoking loser.


Who did you vote for in the presidential election?
 
2010-01-14 11:14:04 PM  
Osomatic: I tried one. It just isn't quite the same. A friend of mine did some modifications on his to give him more of a puff like with a regular cigarette. I'm too lazy to do that. I expect, though, that as the technology improves (especially battery technology, my other biggest problems was the battery running out too quickly), they will get better and better. Give it another year or two, and you might find an e-cig to be just as good as the cancer sticks.

The USB connections are good for that, just use the battery when away from the computer. I've seen the usb ones from 12-30 bucks.

e-cigs are a clean, safe way to 'smoke' because there is no smoke, only vapor, atomized fluid containing flavor and nicotine.

And fark the FDA.

Great site for info http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com
Great site for product (no affiliation, just a customer) http://www.cignot.com/
 
2010-01-14 11:16:48 PM  
equilibrium: Hippies smell like either patchouli or popcorn shrimp and ass.


Hey...I dislike hippies as much as anyone, but leave the popcorn shrimp out of this.
 
2010-01-14 11:17:15 PM  
bighasbeen:

The bill bans flavored cigarettes, including cloves, cinnamon, candy, and fruit flavors, with a special exception for menthol cigarettes. Because the exception helps the largest maker of menthols, Phillip Morris, and eliminates potential competition, the bill has been nicknamed the Marlboro Monopoly act of 2009.


Menthol being the #1 smoke of choice amongst black voters.

What a COINCIDENCE!
 
2010-01-14 11:17:41 PM  
bmihura: Why would our idiot lawmakers ban clove cigarettes, unless they ban normal cigarettes?

I know I'm trying to apply logic to our lawmakers, I do that sometimes.


It's a trap. An endless loop of insanity.

Stop or you'll go blind.
 
2010-01-14 11:17:43 PM  
The_Sponge: Fizics: Only losers smoke, and no stepson of mine is going to be a smoking loser.


Who did you vote for in the presidential election?


I see what you did there.

If he says he voted McCain, then he admits to being a loser. If he says Obama, then he voted for a smoker who obviously won. Bravo.
 
2010-01-14 11:18:38 PM  
I mean, he would be a loser who doesn't smoke. Damnit.
 
2010-01-14 11:19:09 PM  
Dead Mutters: Osomatic: I tried one. It just isn't quite the same. A friend of mine did some modifications on his to give him more of a puff like with a regular cigarette. I'm too lazy to do that. I expect, though, that as the technology improves (especially battery technology, my other biggest problems was the battery running out too quickly), they will get better and better. Give it another year or two, and you might find an e-cig to be just as good as the cancer sticks.

The USB connections are good for that, just use the battery when away from the computer. I've seen the usb ones from 12-30 bucks.

e-cigs are a clean, safe way to 'smoke' because there is no smoke, only vapor, atomized fluid containing flavor and nicotine.

And fark the FDA.

Great site for info http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com
Great site for product (no affiliation, just a customer) http://www.cignot.com/


So... injecting it would be even safer, right?
 
2010-01-14 11:19:21 PM  
I voted for Ronald Reagan, same as I do every time.
 
2010-01-14 11:19:35 PM  
WhereTF were all of you when Obama came for my vanilla cigs?
Also, beware of the Pink-Lunged Troll named Kazan...
 
2010-01-14 11:20:52 PM  
Fizics: Only losers smoke, and no stepson of mine is going to be a smoking loser.

Are you sure that advertising your predilection towards child abuse on a public forum is the best idea, Mr Charles Barkington of Massachusetts?

It doesn't matter anyway, the kid will grow up thinking you're an asshole and find some other way to piss you off or start smoking again and tell his friends what an incredible cocksmoker his mother was dumb enough to marry.
 
2010-01-14 11:22:17 PM  
The_Sponge [TotalFark] Quote 2010-01-14 11:16:48 PM
equilibrium: Hippies smell like either patchouli or popcorn shrimp and ass.


Hey...I dislike hippies as much as anyone, but leave the popcorn shrimp out of this.


THIS
 
2010-01-14 11:24:01 PM  
NephilimNexus: bighasbeen:

The bill bans flavored cigarettes, including cloves, cinnamon, candy, and fruit flavors, with a special exception for menthol cigarettes. Because the exception helps the largest maker of menthols, Phillip Morris, and eliminates potential competition, the bill has been nicknamed the Marlboro Monopoly act of 2009.

Menthol being the #1 smoke of choice amongst black voters.

What a COINCIDENCE!


And yet nobody knows why...

I enjoyed a Nat Sherman mint from time to time, but not Menthol save a Natural American one once in a blue moon. Those Nat Sherman mints are probably gone now too, eh? I really dropped the ball on stockpiling flavored cigarettes up.
 
2010-01-14 11:24:03 PM  
Hmm, I wonder if you placed regular cigs in some sort of flavor-infusing humidor? Sounds practical for the more volatile flavors like vanilla.

Not that I want to. I don't even smoke. I just wanna stick it to the man- and the more pointless the gesture, the better.
 
2010-01-14 11:24:43 PM  
Relatively Obscure: lindseyp: I tried one of these recently. As a very occasional smoker I thought it was a good idea. I'm not convinced the "smoke" product is safe to inhale, though. I'd prefer a pure nicotine water mix.

Heh. Something about a smoker wondering how safe an e-cig is to inhale is kind of funny.

/smoker


Right. Someone who inhales a wrapped herb from south carolina should feel exactly the same about an ignited liquid made in china. Because we all know everything made in china is safe, healthy and above boards 100% of the time.

/former smoker who just quit cold turkey, and it sucked, but it can be done
 
2010-01-14 11:24:52 PM  
mud_shark: Really? We didn't ask too many questions when we smoked conventional cigarettes.

Since they've been warning about lung cancer dangers for cigarettes since the 60's, chances are you already knew the answer.

e-cigs are almost certainly a lot safer. but if you assume that all you're getting is a little harmless nicotine, you may be assuming too much, that's all I'm saying.

People used to believe smokeless tobacco was harmless before the link with oral cancer was discovered.
 
2010-01-14 11:25:15 PM  
NephilimNexus: bighasbeen:

The bill bans flavored cigarettes, including cloves, cinnamon, candy, and fruit flavors, with a special exception for menthol cigarettes. Because the exception helps the largest maker of menthols, Phillip Morris, and eliminates potential competition, the bill has been nicknamed the Marlboro Monopoly act of 2009.

Menthol being the #1 smoke of choice amongst black voters.

What a COINCIDENCE!


There was talk that a compromise had to be reached with the African-American National Congress, but mostly it had to do with Marlboro being the #1 seller of menthol cigarettes AND being the main sponsor of the bill.

They had been trying to pass a bill similar to this since about 2004 IIRC.
 
2010-01-14 11:25:29 PM  
pippi longstocking: Let people kill themselves, let them die, they're stupid. My mom smokes and she's dumber than a bag of bricks, no one will miss that stupid biatch.

The apple... Did it fall far?
 
2010-01-14 11:26:59 PM  
bighasbeen: jeffrey626: Why cant it become fashionable to hate upon other bad habits besides just cigarettes all the time?

Because everyone needs to feel better than someone else and hating on smokers works for people who need to express superiority and/or victim complexes.


Funny, but these usually come as a boxed set.
 
2010-01-14 11:28:28 PM  
120 posts and no one's noticed the Megan Fox underwear pics on a side link?
 
2010-01-14 11:28:28 PM  
StreetlightInTheGhetto:
Nope, but I have smoked Salvia out of a ghetto fabulous two liter setup on my front porch in a dense neighborhood, two blocks from the police station. 'Cause I could.

Meh. It's easy to outrun cops on salvia 10x or or greater. Most local municipalities don't even have funding for time travel paddy wagons agons agons gons gons ons ons ons ons ons ns ns s s s s s
/hey you back yet?
 
2010-01-14 11:28:44 PM  
Retarded Rabid Elk: The fact is, for all the bullshiat you hear from the government, they don't want to stop smoking.

Government makes more profit than tobacco companies. Taxes on tobacco products are greater than profits. Government isn't regulating big tobacco, government *IS* big tobacco. The tobacco companies are now the junior partners... they function as the superficial villains while the government makes the profits off of marketing tobacco to children.

If we can believe that big evil tobacco companies are willing to harm people for profit, then why can't we believe that the government will do the same?

Basically, the government wants to see as many people smoke as possible. e-cigarettes are an extremely effective tool for quitting smoking, therefore the government wants to stop it.

This is why the legalized prostitution in Nevada lobbies for HIGHER TAX ON PROSTITUTION!!! Because taxes are like crack cocaine for politicians. You get you product highly taxed, you get the government dependent on that tax revenue, and the politicians will sell their soul to protect you!


Excellent post.
 
2010-01-14 11:28:53 PM  
Sgt. Pepper:
You need a good, warm climate for tobacco. Much harder to grow in your basement than pot.


Which is why so much tobacco is grown in southern Wisconsin?
 
2010-01-14 11:29:21 PM  
I had a buddy in the service that smoked cigarette-type rolls that were like a green leaf tied up with a string. Does anyone know what those are? I really have no idea.
 
2010-01-14 11:32:22 PM  
Why would you ban the e-cig? It's more healthy and has no second hand smoke. . .

BTW, cloves are back as filtered cigars.
 
2010-01-14 11:34:11 PM  
lindseyp: Since when is an inhaler dispensing a liquid mixture of disco smoke and nicotine a "tobacco" product?

Since the company that sells them did something that either:

a) pissed off the regulators by not getting their permission.
b) pissed off someone that has political power to influence the regulators.
Or:
c) The company was just small and vulnerable and crushed for sport. Just government thugs having a good time.
 
2010-01-14 11:34:32 PM  
tintivilus:

Which is why so much tobacco is grown in southern Wisconsin?


Tobacco can be grown nearly anywhere with a 4 month growing season. Coincidentally, that's why it was popular in the South. Plant in March, harvest in June, plant again then harvest in late October. Dry over the winter.

Two crops a year. Amish grow tobacco and smoke it/sell it as well. Incidentally, electricity is a bad thing but not a pipe full of molasses and tobacco.
 
2010-01-14 11:34:52 PM  
God bless the Paki's at the mall who respect my right to the pursuit of farkin hapiness enough to keep sellin me Djarum Black.

Wish there were some farkin americans who respected that right as much.

/firing it up
//right now
///suck it FDA
 
2010-01-14 11:35:32 PM  
Kona_Bean: Vaporizers are awesome and are the future. FWIW, nicotine is what's good in cigarettes, besides the whole dependency aspect.

Not IMO. I like the act of smoking. The taste, the feel of the smoke, etc. I have chewed nicotine gum and actually quit smoking for a while. Came back because I was bored and smoking gives me a way to clear my head and refresh myself. It will kill me if I never quit, but I'm okay with that.

Now, I prefer a vaporizer for absorbing other things, but not tobacco.
 
2010-01-14 11:37:17 PM  
Relatively Obscure: lindseyp: I tried one of these recently. As a very occasional smoker I thought it was a good idea. I'm not convinced the "smoke" product is safe to inhale, though. I'd prefer a pure nicotine water mix.

Heh. Something about a smoker wondering how safe an e-cig is to inhale is kind of funny.

/smoker


I think its a Better-the-devil-you-know sort of a thing, cos I've got to admit I have the same worries. I started smoking e-cigs about a month ago, intending to use them as a cigarette substitute, with no intention of quitting. One thing I did find was that without trying to, I'd actually been gradually cutting back until I was down to about the equivilent of 8 smokes a day (from 25ish).
Unfortunately my batteries died for some reason and I've gone back to the cancer sticks again - smoking just as much as I used to.

/eagerly awaiting my next order
 
2010-01-14 11:39:03 PM  
equilibrium: Fizics: Only losers smoke, and no stepson of mine is going to be a smoking loser.

Are you sure that advertising your predilection towards child abuse on a public forum is the best idea, Mr Charles Barkington of Massachusetts?

It doesn't matter anyway, the kid will grow up thinking you're an asshole and find some other way to piss you off or start smoking again and tell his friends what an incredible cocksmoker his mother was dumb enough to marry.


I don't think you can call trying to bring up your stepson right, "child-abuse" I think it's more of a case of parents rights versus the so-called "government's role". I'm a hard working american taxpayer and I will thank you not to interfere with my efforts to bring up a well-adjusted adult rather than make him one of those weak-wristed vegan liberals.

America is still the land of the free you communist.
 
2010-01-14 11:39:51 PM  
Molavian: I had a buddy in the service that smoked cigarette-type rolls that were like a green leaf tied up with a string. Does anyone know what those are? I really have no idea.

Bidis. (pronounced "beadies"). They're from India. There, they're considered "poor man's" cigs. Here, they cost a bust extra and feel like smoking raw tar wrapped in oily rags.
 
2010-01-14 11:40:21 PM  
I should still fill a freezer with menthols, right?
 
2010-01-14 11:42:53 PM  
My parents gave me an e-cigarette for xmas. I use it at work when I can't get a smoke break because we're busy or I'm on the phone with a total idiot that makes me stabby and need the nicotine to calm down. It works as a placebo, but I think my addiction's more psychological than physical. It's the same as nicotine gum/lozenges, cigars, pipe smoking, etc. If it's not burning plant matter and I'm not actually inhaling the smoke into my lungs, it doesn't fully satisfy the craving.
 
2010-01-14 11:45:52 PM  
I got an e-cigarette starter kit as a gift from a friend, and I think it's brilliant. I've smoked it while hanging out in bookstores. It doesn't smell at all, and it has a mild taste that doesn't linger. I don't wave it around in front of people or anything, but it's still really convenient. They just banned cigarettes on my campus, so I'm looking forward to using it in the library.
 
2010-01-14 11:46:48 PM  
Fizics: America is still the land of the free you communist.

Now you see, subtlety is the hallmark of a good troll. I may know I'm being trolled when I respond but I need to have that uneasy question that you just might be serious. Try again. Don't give up.
 
2010-01-14 11:48:39 PM  
And don't expect cigarettes to go anywhere. For one, the tobacco industry is about the only industry left in this country that actually PRODUCES something that's completely created in this country. Bourbon is the only other I can think of. Also, one of the largest (if not THE largest) consumer company in the United States is a tobacco company. Half the packaged food you buy is from Phillip-Morris-Kraft-Nabisco.
 
2010-01-14 11:49:13 PM  
No_One_Special: Molavian: I had a buddy in the service that smoked cigarette-type rolls that were like a green leaf tied up with a string. Does anyone know what those are? I really have no idea.

Bidis. (pronounced "beadies"). They're from India. There, they're considered "poor man's" cigs. Here, they cost a bust extra and feel like smoking raw tar wrapped in oily rags.


No meng, I think he means Thai'd stick. Joo know. Dose tings dat 'r'r thai'd to a stick.
 
2010-01-14 11:51:00 PM  
No_One_Special: Bidis. (pronounced "beadies"). They're from India. There, they're considered "poor man's" cigs. Here, they cost a bust extra and feel like smoking raw tar wrapped in oily rags.

I knew a girl who smoked them, I always thought it was more like smoking sticks and oak leaves.

I still miss my djarum specials. I have half of my last one in a drawer upstairs. It's been in that drawer for almost a decade but I never finished it so technically I never quit smoking.
 
2010-01-14 11:53:40 PM  
equilibrium: Fizics: America is still the land of the free you communist.

Now you see, subtlety is the hallmark of a good troll. I may know I'm being trolled when I respond but I need to have that uneasy question that you just might be serious. Try again. Don't give up.


You're right. I just felt so threatened that you called me by my real name that I felt compelled to respond insultingly. I was afraid you would turn me in!
 
2010-01-14 11:54:22 PM  
Brown Sauce: Exercise your right to smoke! (new window)

Some unbelievably stupid replies to that in the comments section, fun reading.
 
2010-01-14 11:58:01 PM  
belhade: The preliminary ruling by U.S. District Judge Richard Leon came as California Attorney General Jerry Brown sought in a state court to halt one company's sale of electronic cigarettes. Brown says the e-cigarettes contain dangerous chemicals and are being marketed to children.

Unlike real cigarettes...


I remember being carded once when buying a nicotine patch and thought *really?* that's what kids are doing these days?
 
2010-01-14 11:58:42 PM  
All I can say is 'thank God clove cigarettes are gone.' I must be allergic to them. If I were in the same building as someone smoking one, I'd get a headache like I had been slammed with a 2x4 on the forehead.
 
2010-01-14 11:59:04 PM  
No_One_Special: Molavian: I had a buddy in the service that smoked cigarette-type rolls that were like a green leaf tied up with a string. Does anyone know what those are? I really have no idea.

Bidis. (pronounced "beadies"). They're from India. There, they're considered "poor man's" cigs. Here, they cost a bust extra and feel like smoking raw tar wrapped in oily rags.


That's it, thanks. Couldn't remember for the life of me what those were and it just popped into my head.
 
2010-01-14 11:59:59 PM  
bmihura: Why would our idiot lawmakers ban clove cigarettes, unless they ban normal cigarettes?

I know I'm trying to apply logic to our lawmakers, I do that sometimes.


I suppose the same logic they apply when they use the term "alcopops"

I used to enjoy trying some of the flavored cigs.
 
2010-01-15 12:02:41 AM  
Straelbora: All I can say is 'thank God clove cigarettes are gone.' I must be allergic to them. If I were in the same building as someone smoking one, I'd get a headache like I had been slammed with a 2x4 on the forehead.

Same here, and I smoke menthols. I'm not glad that consenting adults are banned from doing something when they are fully aware of the risks involved and choose to do so, but god DAMN those things are nasty. I'd rather be around a 3 pack a day non-filtered smoker than someone who smokes cloves. Just roll some farking potpourri and spark that up, cut out the farking middle man.
 
2010-01-15 12:09:25 AM  
Well shiat, I thought they had vitamin C in 'em and stuff.
 
2010-01-15 12:14:54 AM  
I smoked occasionally my first year of college, mostly when drinking, or roommates would go out for a smoke break and I'd share one with a roomie while out chatting. I never got the whole overwhelming addiction thing. Maybe my head just isn't wired for it. Even kicked some heavy things like oxy and fentanyl in 2 weeks or less by using cannabis to survive the withdrawal. Those drugs were doctor prescribed to me, and they don't always tell you the whole story. After I was on the fentanyl for my relentless back pain at age 21, I started having nausea issues, my weight dropped, I felt like a total junkie. And lo and behold, when I researched the drug, I find out it is very much like heroin made in a lab, in fact the only difference is that you don't get an immediate orgasmic-like high from fentanyl. It was horrible to kick, but I did it, and it took every ounce of my will. It was never a mental thing...I wanted off of it because I could see it was wreaking havoc on my body. But physically, the usual....pain increased to an unbearable unignorable fires of hell type of agony. No sleep, intense leg cramps, puking, headaches, biatchiness. Cannabis got me through it. And the irony? The new doctor prescribed me marinol, lab made THC. The shiat is like 500 dollars a month without insurance, but a lot less with BCBS. But still way pricier than my usual stuff. And it made me feel jittery and manic. I felt like a bi-polar person on one of their crazy upswings.

I wish MJ was the normal pain scrip instead of hydrocodone. Everyone in this whole farking town is on hydrocodone, I swear. It's like 6 bucks or less for a bottle on insurance. It wasn't highly addictive for me, but I know many others are not so lucky. A lot of people get hooked onto that shiat going to a doctor for legitimate pain management issues, and doctors around here these days are just far too heavy handed with opiate based drugs. It's a damn shame. Weed saves lives in cases like that. No one ever OD'd from a little THC.
 
2010-01-15 12:19:15 AM  
Jeez, everyone's a kretek.

/sorry
 
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