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(WCBStv.com)   Congratulations 8-year-old Cub Scout Mikey Hicks, you are a terrorist   (wcbstv.com) divider line 162
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2010-01-14 02:56:14 PM
Weblowitup.
 
2010-01-14 02:57:22 PM
Meh. If it worked for Teddy Kennedy, I'm sure that Mikey can extrude some political clout from this. :D
 
2010-01-14 02:57:29 PM
His mother tells The New York Times she sensed trouble when her son was a baby and she couldn't get a seat for him at a Florida airport. She says airline officials explained his name "was on the list."

He was patted down as a 2-years-old at Newark Liberty International Airport.


You have got to be farking kidding me.
 
2010-01-14 02:57:29 PM

Congraulations


Imagine, the site was down for a while even with this crack team at the helm.
 
2010-01-14 02:58:02 PM
conGRAULations!
 
2010-01-14 02:58:03 PM
ArtosRC: Weblowitup.

*golf clap*
 
2010-01-14 02:58:06 PM
I want to know why the Cubs are signing 8-year-olds to scouting contracts? Is he the statistician for his local T-Ball League, and they are trying to stuff the pipeline early? You can't declare for the MLB draft at the age of 8, can you?

What? Oh, then never mind.
 
2010-01-14 02:59:10 PM
FTFA: Transportation Security Administration spokesman James Fotenos says in the coming months, the agency will cross-check names with birth dates and gender.

Shouldn't this have been done already? Or was that asking too much?
 
2010-01-14 02:59:11 PM
Meh. One less kid on an airplane.
 
2010-01-14 02:59:54 PM
tnpir: His mother tells The New York Times she sensed trouble when her son was a baby and she couldn't get a seat for him at a Florida airport. She says airline officials explained his name "was on the list."

He was patted down as a 2-years-old at Newark Liberty International Airport.


You have got to be farking kidding me.


It's okay, the concerned parents demanded and got his badge afterwards

i545.photobucket.com
 
2010-01-14 03:00:11 PM
I have seen more than a few 8-year old terrorists on planes. Can Sky Marshalls tase someone for kicking your seat?
 
2010-01-14 03:00:13 PM
Does he get a badge for that?
 
2010-01-14 03:00:19 PM
tnpir: His mother tells The New York Times she sensed trouble when her son was a baby and she couldn't get a seat for him at a Florida airport. She says airline officials explained his name "was on the list."

He was patted down as a 2-years-old at Newark Liberty International Airport.


You have got to be farking kidding me.


You never know. Stewie certainly is a handful. He's killed, and will kill again.
 
2010-01-14 03:00:29 PM
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2010-01-14 03:00:33 PM
Okay, they need to put a stop to this name confusion nonsense, but you can't say "oh, he's 8, he shouldn't be searched". The minute you make it a policy not to search minors, then you give terrorists an opening.

Now, the whole thing is security theater anyway, and probably nobody should be screened, but my point is that age has nothing to do with it.
 
2010-01-14 03:00:36 PM
Maybe he'll finally get that patch for waterboarding.
 
2010-01-14 03:01:50 PM
The System is Working.
 
2010-01-14 03:01:51 PM
FTFA:

"Transportation Security Administration spokesman James Fotenos says in the coming months, the agency will cross-check names with birth dates and gender."

Shouldn't this have been done from day one?

And it took until now for someone to say "Hmmm...maybe we should start checking a bit more than just the name"?

amazing that with the technology we have at our disposal, and the alleged priority we give to security, that we haven't been able to move much past the equivalent of the abacus.
 
2010-01-14 03:02:09 PM
CarriePrejean: Okay, they need to put a stop to this name confusion nonsense, but you can't say "oh, he's 8, he shouldn't be searched".

Which is great, except that the problem here is that he was searched because he was on the terror watch list, not because anybody had any good reason to think he needed to be searched.
 
2010-01-14 03:03:23 PM
Diogenes: Meh. One less kid on an airplane.

Stop flying Greyhound Southwest, and you'll have less of a problem.

/At least on ValuJet Airtran, if I have to fly with them, I can upgrade to business for like 85 bucks
//You still hear them screaming from the back sometimes, though
 
2010-01-14 03:03:41 PM
tnpir:
His mother tells The New York Times she sensed trouble when her son was a baby and she couldn't get a seat for him at a Florida airport. She says airline officials explained his name "was on the list."

He was patted down as a 2-years-old at Newark Liberty International Airport.


You have got to be farking kidding me.


I am surprised they didn't strip search the child and do a rectal examination.

The last time I went through Newark I got 8 searches, video taped interview, called worse scum than bin Laden and lucky I just don't get thrown into jail to rot. They are very pleasant at Newark like that, but I did do the ultimate crime. Visited the US twice in one year.
 
2010-01-14 03:03:52 PM
How is he ever going to get the Improvised Explosives merit badge if he can't sneak it onto a plane?
 
2010-01-14 03:04:29 PM
I remember a story an aunt of my friend told me a few years ago. Apparently her friend was driving back to the US from a trip to Toronto. She got stopped by border officers and they told her that there is a passenger by name of Omar or something traveling with her that is on "The List" and they need to stop him for questioning. She wanted to throw a hissy fit and object but could do nothing but watch as they wanted to question her 2 yr old Omar.

/True cool story bro
//or so I've been told
///I LOL'd hard when story was told
////friend's aunt was not pleased at me LOLing.
 
2010-01-14 03:04:44 PM
I just flew back from Jersey this week. Mom was in a wheelchair in Newark, and for some reason they won't let you push it yourself. The guy they gave us was a fast walker.

As we got to the end of the security area a TSA dude came out of this enclosed space used for special screening and said to his colleagues, "OK. I need someone who can deal with an unusual request....." The kid pushing mom was way too fast and I never heard what it actually was!

/still killing me
//cool story, tho ;-)
 
2010-01-14 03:05:08 PM
CarriePrejean: Okay, they need to put a stop to this name confusion nonsense, but you can't say "oh, he's 8, he shouldn't be searched". The minute you make it a policy not to search minors, then you give terrorists an opening.

Not...exactly disagreeing with you? But what. Do you mean? Terrorists will start using 8 year-olds to blow up airplanes in the U.S.? And it's Al-Quaeda we mean, so they'd choose 8 year-old blond kids as the best foil?

I do think it would make sense to put the birth year next to the name, or something general like that.

And that patting down a 2 year-old is witless.
 
2010-01-14 03:05:46 PM
I'd like to know a bit about the Mickey Hicks they were actually concerned about. What's he done to rouse suspicion?
 
2010-01-14 03:05:48 PM
Oh it gets even better than this.

From the much better New York Times article which includes a pic of the little terrorist:

The Transportation Security Administration, under scrutiny after last month's bombing attempt, has on its Web site a "mythbuster" that tries to reassure the public.

Myth: The No-Fly list includes an 8-year-old boy.

Buster: No 8-year-old is on a T.S.A. watch list.

"Meet Mikey Hicks," said Najlah Feanny Hicks, introducing her 8-year-old son, a New Jersey Cub Scout and frequent traveler who has seldom boarded a plane without a hassle because he shares the name of a suspicious person. "It's not a myth."

TSA pwned!
 
2010-01-14 03:06:09 PM
God forbid these amateurs working on the post 9/11-bandwagon patriot-act tax-suckers who are so ardent about keeping my colon clear of explosives on the tarmac use a system like EIV or anything that checks Social Security numbers against names.
You're watching our nation die, one mouth breather at a time while real bad guys point and laugh.
 
2010-01-14 03:06:51 PM
Mikey doesn't like it.
 
2010-01-14 03:07:08 PM
Step 1. Create a list of names of suspicion people, ignoring that names aren't always unique.
Step 2. Hire mouth breathing morons to run security in airports.
Step 3. Frisk children, pregnant women, and grannies in airports.
Step 4. Allow a real terrorist on a plane on Christmas day, despite ample evidence that he is a potential threat.
Step 5. Profit?

Seriously, I'm farking tired of useless policies that not only don't improve security, but probably reduce security because it farking removes common sense from the equation.

Profiling, for some reason, has a bad name. Except when you know that 90% (or more) of terrorists are of one particular group, profiling is actually a good idea. It's just one tool of many.

/I have a bottle of shampoo and I'm not afraid to use it!
 
2010-01-14 03:07:30 PM
Oh, and the patdowns he receive are very aggressive, bordering on child molesting:

After years of long delays and waits for supervisors at every airport ticket counter, this year's vacation to the Bahamas badly shook up the family. Mikey was frisked on the way there, then more aggressively on the way home.

"Up your arms, down your arms, up your crotch - someone is patting your 8-year-old down like he's a criminal," Mrs. Hicks recounted. "A terrorist can blow his underwear up and they don't catch him. But my 8-year-old can't walk through security without being frisked."
 
2010-01-14 03:07:49 PM
tnpir: His mother tells The New York Times she sensed trouble when her son was a baby and she couldn't get a seat for him at a Florida airport. She says airline officials explained his name "was on the list."

He was patted down as a 2-years-old at Newark Liberty International Airport.


You have got to be farking kidding me.


TSA employees aren't paid to think or make decisions - just to follow the manual - if they can read it
 
2010-01-14 03:08:29 PM
8 year olds dude.
 
2010-01-14 03:09:05 PM
Lil' Mikey Hicks once threatened me with a water gun. I suspect said weapon was made in Korea. Connect the dots, non-believers.
 
2010-01-14 03:10:24 PM
ThoughtSpy: Shouldn't this have been done from day one?

I mean, you know we are talking about Bush-era policies, right?
 
2010-01-14 03:11:17 PM
OgreMagi: Step 4. Allow a real terrorist on a plane on Christmas day, despite ample evidence that he is a potential threat.

TSA doesn't work in airports in Holland.
 
2010-01-14 03:11:19 PM
I like the article in the NY Times about it:

Mario Labbé, a frequent-flying Canadian record-company executive, started having problems at airports shortly after Sept. 11, 2001, with lengthy delays at checkpoints and mysterious questions about Japan. By 2005, he stopped flying to the United States from Canada, instead meeting American clients in France. Then a forced rerouting to Miami in 2008 led to six hours of questions. Fed up, in the summer of 2008, he changed his name to François Mario Labbé. The problem vanished.

Also:

Some travelers purposely misspell their own names when buying tickets, apparently enough to fool the system.


So literally...all you have to do is change or simply misspell your name and the system is defeated.
 
2010-01-14 03:11:28 PM
limeyfellow: tnpir:
His mother tells The New York Times she sensed trouble when her son was a baby and she couldn't get a seat for him at a Florida airport. She says airline officials explained his name "was on the list."

He was patted down as a 2-years-old at Newark Liberty International Airport.


You have got to be farking kidding me.

I am surprised they didn't strip search the child and do a rectal examination.

The last time I went through Newark I got 8 searches, video taped interview, called worse scum than bin Laden and lucky I just don't get thrown into jail to rot. They are very pleasant at Newark like that, but I did do the ultimate crime. Visited the US twice in one year.


Twice in one year? From the UK? You're lucky they didn't waterboard you.
 
2010-01-14 03:12:27 PM
OgreMagi: Step 1. Create a list of names of suspicion people, ignoring that names aren't always unique.
Step 2. Hire Make rules that force your security staff to be mouth breathing morons to run security in airports.
Step 3. Frisk children, pregnant women, and grannies in airports.
Step 4. Allow a real terrorist on a plane on Christmas day, despite ample evidence that he is a potential threat.
Step 5. Profit?


FTFY

The TSA - brought to you by the same people who still think "racial profiling" is intelligent *headdesk*

/making it a minor factor? ok.. that's normal profiling. racial profiling is when race is the prime factor
 
2010-01-14 03:13:32 PM
www.almunecar.com

Our airport security needs to stop monkeying around!
 
2010-01-14 03:14:04 PM

HotWingConspiracy


So literally...all you have to do is change or simply misspell your name and the system is defeated.


Yes, literally - neither figuratively nor metaphorically.

The current system appears to require an exact match of the name; they're still seeing quite a few mistaken identities. How many more would they see if they started using fuzzy matches?
 
2010-01-14 03:14:30 PM
tnpir: His mother tells The New York Times she sensed trouble when her son was a baby and she couldn't get a seat for him at a Florida airport. She says airline officials explained his name "was on the list."

He was patted down as a 2-years-old at Newark Liberty International Airport.


You have got to be farking kidding me.


When you remove critical thinking as an occupational skill and replace it with "zero tolerance" and "by the book," you get patdowns on terrorist toddlers.
 
2010-01-14 03:14:51 PM
I'm not a fan of people who freak out every time a child/baby or elderly person gets extra scrutiny at the airport. They like to scream "OMG, what is their problem? Do they look like terrorists?!"

But that's exactly the point. If I wanted to smuggle a weapon or explosives on to a plane, I wouldn't hide it in a turban. Where's the last person a screener might want to look for dangerous materials? How about a baby's diaper? It's the perfect hiding place.

So if they want to search babies and wheelchairs and grandmas, I say go for it.

And yes, they DO find weapons in teddy bears. And this is not the first time:
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local-beat/Gun-Hidden-in-Teddy-Bear-at-DFW-79355102. h tml
 
2010-01-14 03:16:05 PM
My name (which is common enough) was on the no fly list for a year or so.

I could make reservations, but I could not check in online, I had to go to the airline counter. The employee at the counter often had to call a supervisor over and they'd ask me additional security questions.

I had to fill out paperwork and submit it to .... actually, I never did that. I just started making my airline reservations using my middle name as well and I no longer got stopped.

/ middle name is Muhammad
//no really
/// first time using these slashes, how'd I do?
 
2010-01-14 03:16:47 PM
his brother Dwayne

unrealitymag.com


a real terrorist!
 
2010-01-14 03:16:59 PM
JDerek: FTFA: Transportation Security Administration spokesman James Fotenos says in the coming months, the agency will cross-check names with birth dates and gender.

Shouldn't this have been done already? Or was that asking too much?


What did you expect? Competence? Professionalism? Intelligence? You've got to remember that these are just simple TSA agents. These are people of the bureaucracy. The common clowns of the security circus. You know... morons.
 
2010-01-14 03:17:56 PM
Kazan: The TSA - brought to you by the same people who still think "racial profiling" is intelligent *headdesk*

I forgot, what race make up 99% of the people who hate us and send suicide bombers to kill randomly? No, it wasnt the Japanese or the Russians... damnit, someone help me out here.

Sorry idiot, but when you exclude race for huggy-feely-PC reasons, you're shooting yourself in the foot.
 
2010-01-14 03:18:39 PM
Englebert Slaptyback: HotWingConspiracy

So literally...all you have to do is change or simply misspell your name and the system is defeated.


Yes, literally - neither figuratively nor metaphorically.

The current system appears to require an exact match of the name; they're still seeing quite a few mistaken identities. How many more would they see if they started using fuzzy matches?


The "don't do business with these people, they're terrorists" list that I use at work only requires a 30% match when we create new customer records. The worst we could do is ship fancy lab equipment to bad guys.

For as much cash as we drop on airline security, it sure seems to be lagging behind other industries as far as identifying risk.
 
2010-01-14 03:18:39 PM
Ed Grubermann

while i'm sure some of them are morons, i'm sure some of them are just working stiffs trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability.

the rules imposed on them give them no discretionary power.
 
2010-01-14 03:19:18 PM
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick people.

When are we going to get the FARK over this shiat.

The kid shares a name with someone on the no-fly list. Big F'ing deal - so do I.

He can't do electronic check-in. OMG!!?! What is this world coming to!!! How horrible he has to walk up to the ticket counter so they can check his DOB.

Oh, and the pat-down. News Flash: The TSA does sometimes pat down kids, and infants, just to make sure THEIR PARENTS don't try to use them to smuggle stuff (if this really is a news flash to you - go shoot yourself). And NOWHERE in the article does it say he was patted down because his name was on the watch list and the TSA thought he might ACTUALLY be the terrorist they were looking for - NOWHERE.

Seriously, get the fark over it. These articles are really getting stupid.
 
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