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(Kansas City)   USA Interactive chairman Barry Diller in favor of restrictions on market power of media companies, calls the Big Four networks an oligopoly. In other news, USA Interactive owns Ticketmaster   (kansascity.com) divider line 80
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2003-04-08 08:07:24 PM
If this isn't a perfect exampe of why we need a hypocrite tag, I don't know what is.
 
2003-04-08 09:12:05 PM
Ah yes, Barry Diller, the Don of Hollywood's gay mafia.
 
2003-04-08 11:18:11 PM
TicketBastard is teh suX0r.
 
2003-04-09 12:41:21 AM
These pickles are good, but I've had diller....

...yea...
 
2003-04-09 12:43:01 AM
Quickl Indeed...
 
2003-04-09 12:43:11 AM
sad... the world is awash in hypocritical asshats
 
2003-04-09 12:43:43 AM
Unfortunately Michael Powel sees things differently.
 
2003-04-09 12:45:14 AM
Oligopoly's a fun game, but it just takes too long to play without making up your own rules.
 
2003-04-09 12:46:48 AM
Brenda! Brenda, please take a memo...

To: Barry Diller
From: Common Sense

PUT THE CRACK PIPE DOOOWN
 
2003-04-09 12:47:52 AM
ya, ticketmaster sucks.....i'd like to 'convenience charge' them to hell!
 
2003-04-09 12:47:56 AM
Diller, speaking to the National Association of Broadcasters, said big media companies need to be restrained or they will push out smaller competitors.

Translation: Diller is planning on buying/dealmiaking with one of the major networks, and wants to damage their stock price to enhance his bargaining position. Plan investment strategy accordingly.
 
2003-04-09 12:48:02 AM
Well, he's right. Unfortunately for him, if we institute his policy he's screwed too.

So I say we support him, then laugh like crazy when it screws USA Interactive too.
 
2003-04-09 12:48:09 AM
yeah... um, this story held my attention for about eight seconds.


/goodnight cruel world
 
2003-04-09 12:49:41 AM
The problem that most people have with corporations is that they really could spare some dough for their employees and still not have to screw consumers over so badly.

Grubbing farks. We need to identify the greed gene.
 
2003-04-09 12:51:17 AM
Well, Fox News hasn't proven him wrong, Murdoch is drooling so we may just get total "big brother" media content in the not too distant future. Where can I score some Soma?
 
2003-04-09 12:54:08 AM
I think AOL-Time Warner is my least favorite of the giants.

I smile every time I see a story about how much money AOL is losing them. And then I think about all the landfill space taken up by their CD's and get too angry to be happy.
 
2003-04-09 12:57:06 AM
You want giant, look at GE. Those people pwnt America.
 
2003-04-09 01:02:47 AM
This guy was profiled by Wired last month... I didn't get whether they thought he was good or not...
 
2003-04-09 01:03:33 AM
"hi, pot? this is kettle. stop calling me black!"

/got nothin
 
2003-04-09 01:04:35 AM
ooh... "oligopoly" I like the sound of it. Any chance we can get some anti-oligopoly laws?
 
2003-04-09 01:07:51 AM
michael powell is a chump. he's plucked his idea of market self-balancing directly out of the 18th century (thanks Adam Smith!) and expects it to be applicable to the current structure.

as it happens, at the moment, diller has a legitimate axe to grind. sad as that is.

/mass comm grad
 
2003-04-09 01:09:08 AM
oligopoly?

that's when you round up all your mormon wives and have a big orgy!
 
2003-04-09 01:12:37 AM
The real answer: independent media.
 
2003-04-09 01:12:50 AM
I wonder that people still believe that a Laissez Faire economic structured economy will work in a moderetly educated society.

Then I wonder even more that people are willing to still become slaves for it.

farking Randites need a serious ass kicking.
 
2003-04-09 01:15:30 AM
I don't think there are many who believe a completely hands-off economy will work. We do have pollution laws, antitrust laws, public disclosure laws, etc. in place to reign things in. I think it's more of a discussion of how far people think things should go to get the best results, and which areas should be the most heavily regulated.
 
2003-04-09 01:15:56 AM
My wife has given up on tv, having switched over to AndonbraysSuperSexyShowerCam.com
 
2003-04-09 01:16:24 AM
Michael Powell amazes me. He's the only person I know that actively calls his own agency outdated and unneeded and doesn't get any flak for it. Could you imagine what would happen if, say the FDA decided that it was unnecessary and would begin dismantling every piece of legislation that gives it any regulatory power? Amazing.
 
2003-04-09 01:17:20 AM
a-farking-men Aeonic_Blue.

Ayn Rand was full of crap.

/"Atlas Shlubbed"
 
2003-04-09 01:18:37 AM
04-09-03 01:12:37 AM FotH
The real answer: independent media.


Damn straight! We gots Drudge and Yellow Times to keep all the big boys in line.
 
2003-04-09 01:20:43 AM
Not to mention... Fark
 
2003-04-09 01:21:46 AM
Kaczynski might be mad but not necessarily wrong in all respects. How does laissez faire capitalism directly address the soul? Ayn? Galt? Kenneth? Martha? Beuller?
 
2003-04-09 01:24:39 AM
Puc86
Longest.Headline.Ever
I submitted this yesterday, only with a much longer headline.
 
2003-04-09 01:26:17 AM
FranceSurrenders: Translation: Diller is planning on buying/dealmiaking with one of the major networks, and wants to damage their stock price to enhance his bargaining position. Plan investment strategy accordingly.

Either that or he's setting up USA for a buy out from Fox.
 
2003-04-09 01:30:48 AM
"The real answer: independent media."

Not really. Most successful independent voices are either bought out (and used to mask the parent company's opinions, i.e. Clear Channel) or, if by some wild alignment of the stars they make it big, they become the genesis of a new conglomco.
 
2003-04-09 01:31:04 AM
Funny story:

The first time I read Ayn Rand, I thought it was politcal satire.

Surely, people could not actually believe this tripe?

Dated a girl once who was a randite. That, my friends, was a trippy farking expirience, let me tell you. biatch burned all my farking CD's when I broke it off...


But in any case, yes, lets slowly dismantle all regulation of media. That way, in 15 years, we can have Time-Warner-NBC-ABC Inc. or CBS-FOX-UPN Inc. to choose from!

Hell, let's screw all regulation of business in America, period! fark minimum wage! Pay people just enough to drag their sorry asses back to your factory every morning, and thats it! The less you pay them, the more their family has to work too, and that's good for the economy. It would probably stop drug use and crime too. Plus, kids will have to stop going to schol, which means less funding, which means less taxes! Everyone wins, except FOR THE PEOPLE BEING farkED.

Strip all regulations of food too! Let people fall in processing machine at packing plants! What people don't know, can't hurt them. Want to see how fun this trip would be? Read Upton SInclairs "The Jungle." Socialist Propoganda? Yes. But also an amazingly accurate look at the meat packing industry circa 1900 or so.

Drag our asses back to the 19th century! Come on! It will be great!
 
2003-04-09 01:41:26 AM
Aeonic_Blue I agree, The Jungle is a great book. Other than the last 20 pages, of course. They just get really tedious and I think dilute the real impact of the book. I think it should be required reading in high schools.
 
2003-04-09 01:45:02 AM
It was required reading at my highschool, for my American History AP class.

As a period piece, I feel it is an amazing work. But as literature, I have little love for it. You are correct in describing it: Tedious. Perfect descriptor of the story and characters.

But the detail... man oh man.
 
2003-04-09 01:49:01 AM
I think it should be read together with stuff by Horatio Alger. I think it's a great combo to show how silly complete deregulation is in a modern economy (and hey, it should keep the really conservative people happy).
 
2003-04-09 01:55:31 AM
Alger... Alger...

Isn't he the guy who championed morality and hardwork as paths to success?
 
2003-04-09 01:57:21 AM
Sidi: Or you could just show people what's happened all around the world with the IMF and such. Of course, I've had economics majors tell me it was actually "repressed regulation" or some crap that was the reason every single one of them that accepted the IMF's programs went down the tubes. Even Chile, their 'economic miracle.'
 
2003-04-09 01:57:52 AM
Ticketmaster owns the company that does a lot of the phone/online reservations for state campgrounds around here. They charged me 40 bucks to cancel reservations for a weekend that cost just slightly more than 40 bucks, without telling me when I made the reservations that there was a cancelation charge. I don't mind canceling fees, but the high rate of them sucks.
 
2003-04-09 02:03:49 AM
Yeah. Horatio Alger was the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" guy. Basically, all his stories were some dirt poor little boy selling matches, or shining shoes, or something. And then, magically, he meets the right person and gets a great job and gets rich. Pretty funny really.
 
2003-04-09 02:17:47 AM
You just know Teddy Roosevelt loved those books... HA.
 
2003-04-09 02:20:21 AM
Aeonic_Blue - I wonder that people still believe that a Laissez Faire economic structured economy will work in a moderetly educated society.

Then I wonder even more that people are willing to still become slaves for it.

farking Randites need a serious ass kicking.


Ahh, guess you weren't in the "Egyptian ambassador: "Iraq has now already achieved victory -- apart from some technicalities." Technicalities include defeated army, having American tanks roaming free in Baghdad"-thread, eh?

The discussion pretty much degenerated into a debate about laissez faire capitalism... with a number of deluded "Randites" and objectivists high fiving each other on their well-reasoned, "selfishness as virtue" arguments...
 
2003-04-09 02:28:17 AM
If you don't like it, turn it off. Just don't use my friggin tax dollars to "preserve" some idealistic vision of what the media should be.

If people don't want to see certain TV shows, they don't watch.

Don't fool yourselves into thinking big conglomerates have the power to force people to watch certain things. If they did, *all* their shows would be hits. But the truth is, as big as they are, media conglomerates still have the same problems attempting to make a hit out of a certain piece of music, tv show, movie.

There are 20 failed attempts for every Britney Spears... and these failed attempts have the same money behind them.

I'm not a big fan of your standard-faire big-media-conglomerate product. So I don't buy it. But, unfortunately, most people do. And there's nothing wrong with that... certainly nothing my friggin tax dollars should go to fix.

Who do you think pays for regulation? You do. I do.

So you want to force Ticketmaster to lower the high rates it gets to charge through being a huge company with alot of power? Why? So you don't have to pay the $15 in surcharges for a $35 ticket? Fine. Great. How do you want to get this done? By raising your (any my) own taxes to pay for it?

Its all numbers, people.
 
2003-04-09 02:32:47 AM
Downstairs yeah, because every regulation costs money to enforce. It's like speeding tickets, municipalities are losing money left and right having speed limits...they should get rid of them to save cash.

We already have the agencies to handle these sorts of regulations, and we used to have the regulations itself. How much does it cost to tell AOL Time Warner that no, they aren't allowed to buy Clear Channel?
 
2003-04-09 02:36:43 AM
Truly, I am glad I missed it. I get riled up far to easily, and it has begun taking me longer to calm in my meditations.

I hate flame wars, yet in certain cases, I cannot halt myself from joining.

In any case... to hold selfishness as a virtue..

You know, I don't have a religious bone in my body. I studied many of the major religions, both western and eastern, and none of them 'did' anything for me (I did pick up meditation, though).

My disgust at 'Selfishness is virtue' is not religious based..

Is it so strange to just have the general feeling that farking over people just for personal gain is wrong? Am I alone in this conviction? What does it take to have a little compassion?

I studied Objectivism. I really did. I read through 'Atlas Shrugged', 'The Foutainhead' and more. I treid to go through each with an open mind. But in the end, reasoning as to how any intelligent, educated, modern person could accept such a philosophy just deserted me...

How is Selfishness a virtue? Or greed? Truely, we are told that Dawrin is correct. Survival of the fittest. Social Darwinism. But has it not been an underlying goal of every civilization, no matter how futile or ill-precieved, to rise above what is considered our human nature?

I don't know. All I know is that speaking (or arguing) with a randite always leaves me with a great deal of depression and pessimism concerning the human race as a whole.

/end rant
 
2003-04-09 02:43:14 AM
Yeah. I don't think being greedy is necessarily always a bad thing, of course the primary concern in most people's lives is going to be ensuring that they, and their family, are as comfortable as possible.

But to elevate it to helping mankind is just silly.
 
2003-04-09 02:46:07 AM
Sidi:

yeah, because every regulation costs money to enforce.

Yes, they do.

It's like speeding tickets, municipalities are losing money left and right having speed limits...they should get rid of them to save cash.


Obviously anarchy doesn't work, nor is it what I was saying. Not all regulation is bad, obviously.

But when it comes to purely economic things (i.e. safety, defense, etc. issues not involved)... then my argument still stands.

We already have the agencies to handle these sorts of regulations, and we used to have the regulations itself.

And we all pay a whole lot for them. My argument is not about current taxes/regulation/agencies vs. new taxes/regulation/agencies. Many regulations currently exist, and shouldnt, I am saying.

How much does it cost to tell AOL Time Warner that no, they aren't allowed to buy Clear Channel?

I would imagine hundreds of millions of dollars.
 
2003-04-09 02:46:13 AM
I recommend a political system based on "The Dukes of Hazard". To wit...

1.) Government officials and police officers must be slightly corrupt, but only in a harmless, amusing, lovable sort of way. They also must be complete buffoons.

2.) The top government official must wear white and smoke big cigars.

3.) Everyone gets a kick-ass orange muscle car

4.) Everyone gets to shoot dynamite arrows out said kick-ass orange muscle cars for whatever reason strikes them

5.) The clever and resourceful garage mechanic gets to become the only government official who doesn't have to meet the "lovably corrupt buffoon" requirement of other government officials

6.) No one ever dies violently.

7.) Old rum-runners are held in the highest respect

8.) The beer is always cold at the Boar's Nest

Yeah, I know, this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. I just watched a rerun of an old DoH episode, and remembered how much I loved that show. Go figure.
 
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