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2010-01-13 11:20:01 AM  
I just know this is going to end badly. I just know it.

Thank the fark Christ I'm not raising children in this state.
 
2010-01-13 12:23:29 PM  
FTA: "Much of the conversation ahead of the hearing has turned to how much emphasis will be given to the religious beliefs of the nation's founding fathers, with some activists lobbying to promote and highlight their Christianity."

As a historian, this is just unexcusable. George Washington denied the divinity of Christ. So did Benjamin Franklin. Thomas Jefferson hated the idea of the divinity of Christ so much he took a razor blade to the Bible to remove all references to supernatural events from the Gospels. Both John Adams was a Unitarian, who not only rejected the divinity of Christ but the doctrine of the Trinity, hence the name Unitarian.

The Founding Fathers thought of Christ as a good moral teacher, but they had no use for him as a god. I'm sure Evangelicals will be all over promoting that message.
 
2010-01-13 12:33:02 PM  
I'm at the hearing right now. If you have children in Texas public schools, be afraid, be very afraid. These board members don't believe that separation of church and state doesn't exist! For those who think they can stomach the discussion, here's a link to the live webcast: http://www.texasadmin.com/cgi-bin/tea.cgi
 
2010-01-13 12:38:54 PM  

tnpir: Thank the fark Christ I'm not raising children in this state.


TenaciousP: I'm at the hearing right now. If you have children in Texas public schools, be afraid, be very afraid.


It doesn't even have to be Texas. Guess what two states dictate most of the textbook choices and availability for other public schools throughout the country as a byproduct of their curriculum?
 
2010-01-13 12:53:53 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Guess what two states dictate most of the textbook choices and availability for other public schools throughout the country as a byproduct of their curriculum?


If I remember correctly, it's Texas and Utah, right?
 
2010-01-13 01:15:49 PM  
The Chinese are going to have to put McDonalds-style pictographs on the machines we'll be running for them, won't they?
 
2010-01-13 01:26:21 PM  
I don't see the problem. Jesus discovered America, not Columbus!

Especially since when Columbus got here, it wasn't America! Ha! Stick that in your hookah, historians!
 
2010-01-13 01:34:37 PM  
Texas you are an embarrassment.
 
2010-01-13 01:36:50 PM  

I_Am_Weasel:

Especially since when Columbus got here, it wasn't America! Ha! Stick that in your hookah, historians!


Those poor Indians. They had all those empty flagpoles that just sat there until 1776 when Jesus discovered America and first hoisted the Stars and Stripes over the Alamo -- divinely inspiring George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and John Adams to spontaneously create the Pledge of Allegiance.
 
2010-01-13 02:35:47 PM  
Got-dammit! I was just defending Texas in another thread and this shiat pops up. That is IT. I am moving out of this god-loving, buddha-foresaking, cosmetics-applying, conservative-schmucking, football-worshiping, gas-guzzling, Dubya circle-jerking, deep-fried piece of a hell-hole as soon as I can kill off my TRS and whatever ties I have left here. No! There's no turning back! You farked with my education long enough - I had to go to a "liberal" school to undo the crap you did to me. I farking HATE texas biblethumpers.

/steps off soapbox
 
2010-01-13 02:41:13 PM  
Why the hell are there non-experts on the board reviewing textbooks?

/Texan....love my state, hate this shiat.
 
2010-01-13 02:49:05 PM  
Everything is big in Texas. Even Especially the stupid...
 
2010-01-13 02:49:13 PM  
"I don't see anyone wanting to say that this is a Christian nation or anything like that," McLeroy said. "The argument is that the principles on which (the nation) has been founded are biblically based."

So...it has nothing to do with one religion over another, as long as we all accept that the entire nation was founded on the ideas of Christianity.

If you have children in Texas, move.
 
2010-01-13 02:59:37 PM  
just secede already. become the republic of texas-christ like you know you're going to.

it's funny - "conservatives" talk about how al qaeda and militant islam wants to return to the "14th century caliphate," but they sure seem to want to party like it's 1899 themselves.
 
2010-01-13 03:00:34 PM  

vartian: "I don't see anyone wanting to say that this is a Christian nation or anything like that," McLeroy said. "The argument is that the principles on which (the nation) has been founded are biblically based."

So...it has nothing to do with one religion over another, as long as we all accept that the entire nation was founded on the ideas of Christianity.

If you have children in Texas, move.


Or you could be an active parent and not just rely on poorly paid and uneducated people to be the only ones who teach your kids.
 
2010-01-13 03:12:08 PM  

Hollywood Cole: Or you could be an active parent and not just rely on poorly paid and uneducated people to be the only ones who teach your kids.


This. If even 10% of what your child knows was learned at school, you've failed as a parent.
 
2010-01-13 03:19:51 PM  
First they came for science and evolution, and I did not speak out-because I was not a scientist;

Then they came for history, and I did not speak out-because I was not a historian;

...

Do you really want to know what's next?

Feel free to go into full revolt against this stupidity ANY TIME, folks, before they come for you. The dumbing down of a school curriculum and miseducation of our children is never a laughing matter. Get involved!

Also, please check out TFer Nobodyn0se (^)'s profile and look for the links to support his mother, Judy Jennings, who is running for the school board against one of these whack jobs. Others have more info about her, but I wanted to get that plug in early.
 
2010-01-13 03:31:12 PM  

jekxrb: First they came for science and evolution, and I did not speak out-because I was not a scientist;


I thought you were a scientist.
 
2010-01-13 03:32:28 PM  

ne2d: jekxrb: First they came for science and evolution, and I did not speak out-because I was not a scientist;

I thought you were a scientist.


Duh--I suppose I could have looked at your profile.
 
2010-01-13 03:35:25 PM  
...still no Texas tag?
 
2010-01-13 03:49:35 PM  
Hollywood Cole: /Texan....love my state, hate this shiat.

This...oh dear GOD THIS!!!!!!
 
2010-01-13 04:18:17 PM  

sigdiamond2000: UNC_Samurai: Guess what two states dictate most of the textbook choices and availability for other public schools throughout the country as a byproduct of their curriculum?

If I remember correctly, it's Texas and Utah, right?


It's Texas and California, but since Cali is putting off their next textbook orders until 2014 because of the budget crisis, it's all Texas now. This article was greenlit recently and it will scare the shiat out of you.
 
2010-01-13 04:18:50 PM  

ne2d: ne2d: jekxrb: First they came for science and evolution, and I did not speak out-because I was not a scientist;

I thought you were a scientist.

Duh--I suppose I could have looked at your profile.


heh

Sort of. Archaeologists apply scientific methods, but unless you train in Britain, your degrees are generally in the Arts. I would have preferred to go a more rigorously scientific route, but that wasn't really an option.

However, you could argue I fall into both those categories somewhat; I was speaking more generally rather than about myself specifically. Especially as I DO tend to say something about these sorts of issues... :-)
 
2010-01-13 04:21:38 PM  
By the way, this was the thread. If you disagree with this sort of bullshiat, TFer NobodyN0se encourages you to donate to his mother's campaign to unseat Cynthia Dunbar.

Dunbar, you may recall, is the school board member who thinks public education is a "subtly deceptive tool of perversion" and likens sending one's children to public school with "throwing them into the enemy's flames."
 
2010-01-13 04:26:52 PM  
Texas has, possibly, the most misguided and messed up education policy in America, run by hundreds of municipal school boards who stack their councils with evangelical hard-asses who prefer to force Biblical nonsense on students to the exclusion of the truth of history and science. I feel sorry for students in Texas. They will not be well prepared for the 21st century.
 
2010-01-13 04:30:35 PM  
Note to school board: history contains events you wish didn't happen. Ignoring those events doesn't make them disappear.
 
2010-01-13 04:34:16 PM  

impaler: Note to school board: history contains events you wish didn't happen. Ignoring those events doesn't make them disappear.


Unless you live in the 1984 universe.

Incidentally, 1984 is probably the most banned book in the country since its release.
 
2010-01-13 04:35:09 PM  

Epsilon: I feel sorry for students in Texas. They will not be well prepared for the 21st century.


I may be mistaken, but I thought Texas was pretty big when it comes to high-tech industries like aerospace, energy, etc. They seem to be doing something right.
 
2010-01-13 04:35:55 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: FTA: "Much of the conversation ahead of the hearing has turned to how much emphasis will be given to the religious beliefs of the nation's founding fathers, with some activists lobbying to promote and highlight their Christianity."

As a historian, this is just unexcusable. George Washington denied the divinity of Christ. So did Benjamin Franklin. Thomas Jefferson hated the idea of the divinity of Christ so much he took a razor blade to the Bible to remove all references to supernatural events from the Gospels. Both John Adams was a Unitarian, who not only rejected the divinity of Christ but the doctrine of the Trinity, hence the name Unitarian.

The Founding Fathers thought of Christ as a good moral teacher, but they had no use for him as a god. I'm sure Evangelicals will be all over promoting that message.


This. Many of the founding father's view of Jesus was more similar to how Muslim's view Jesus than evangelicals. I'm all for emphasis being given to the religious beliefs of the nation's founding fathers, but only if they don't lie about it.

Also, the "Christian" John Quincy Adams didn't even swear on a bible during his inauguration. Something tells me they won't mention that fact.
 
2010-01-13 04:37:00 PM  

ne2d: I may be mistaken, but I thought Texas was pretty big when it comes to high-tech industries like aerospace, energy, etc. They seem to be doing something right.


You will find the areas those businesses are located in are said to be "overrun with Yankees" by native Texans.

Other than nice weather to move to, they don't do much right.
 
2010-01-13 04:37:15 PM  

ne2d: I may be mistaken, but I thought Texas was pretty big when it comes to high-tech industries like aerospace, energy, etc. They seem to be doing something right.


They have NASA, oil, and a lot of resources. But teaching kids junk science and history certainly won't help.
 
2010-01-13 04:42:18 PM  
The important thing to remember in all of this is that the Founding Fathers were a monolithic bloc of like-minded compatriots who never disagreed on anything and had almost all political and personal traits in common. They also officially endorse current political trends and/or parties.
 
2010-01-13 04:45:05 PM  

FishyFred: ne2d: I may be mistaken, but I thought Texas was pretty big when it comes to high-tech industries like aerospace, energy, etc. They seem to be doing something right.

They have NASA, oil, and a lot of resources. But teaching kids junk science and history certainly won't help.


A flying car designed and built by someone who thinks Thomas Jefferson was a theist instead of a deist is still a flying car, and I want one, damn it.
 
2010-01-13 04:51:31 PM  

ne2d: FishyFred: ne2d: I may be mistaken, but I thought Texas was pretty big when it comes to high-tech industries like aerospace, energy, etc. They seem to be doing something right.

They have NASA, oil, and a lot of resources. But teaching kids junk science and history certainly won't help.

A flying car designed and built by someone who thinks Thomas Jefferson was a theist instead of a deist is still a flying car, and I want one, damn it.


Oh, they gutted the science standards last year. Sorry you missed it.
 
2010-01-13 05:01:33 PM  

ne2d: I may be mistaken, but I thought Texas was pretty big when it comes to high-tech industries like aerospace, energy, etc. They seem to be doing something right.


Yeah, they're bringing in people who were educated elsewhere.
 
2010-01-13 05:03:57 PM  
It's really never too late to give it back to Mexico.
 
2010-01-13 05:04:36 PM  
Excuse me, but I have a simple question.

What the God Damn Fark did Mary Kay do to be worthy of inclusion in a school history book?
 
2010-01-13 05:04:49 PM  

FishyFred: impaler: Note to school board: history contains events you wish didn't happen. Ignoring those events doesn't make them disappear.

Unless you live in the 1984 universe.

Incidentally, 1984 is probably the most banned book in the country since its release.


Based on the theory that if you pretend something doesn't exist long enough, it will eventually cease to exist.

Is there any way a state can be FORCED to leave the US? Nevermind secession, can the remainder of the states vote a state out of the Union?
 
2010-01-13 05:06:45 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: What the God Damn Fark did Mary Kay do to be worthy of inclusion in a school history book?


Made money. Lots of it.
 
2010-01-13 05:07:12 PM  
Article is scary, but subby is a bit misleading:

FTFA: "He'll also ask the board to reconsider mentioning makeup entrepreneur Mary Kay Ash, of Addison, Texas, more often than Christopher Columbus in the curriculum standard. At present Ash is mentioned twice; Columbus once."

So the man being quoted in the headline is actually the smart one here: he's not saying "Mark Kay Ash should be mentioned more often." He's saying "Mary Kay Ash IS mentioned more than Columbus, and that's wrong."
 
2010-01-13 05:09:34 PM  
Christmas and how Christianity molded the west should NOT be removed, much the same how Hinduism melding with Buddhism and coexisting with other Asian religions molded the east should not be removed. Hell, why not never mention Martin Luther?

Ceasar Chavez helped foment the current status of the southwest.

FFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-
 
2010-01-13 05:09:37 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Excuse me, but I have a simple question.

What the God Damn Fark did Mary Kay do to be worthy of inclusion in a school history book?


She's from texas, duh.

Skeeter and Geech down at the junkyard got more mentions than Alexander the Great.
 
2010-01-13 05:10:12 PM  
Damnit, it's sh*t like this that makes me ashamed that I live and probably die in Texas. I love this state, but I hate the people living in it.
 
2010-01-13 05:10:45 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Excuse me, but I have a simple question.

What the God Damn Fark did Mary Kay do to be worthy of inclusion in a school history book?


States tend to tack on requirements based on individuals who were significant in that particular state (Illinois has Casimir Pulaski to appease the Poles, for example). I'm assuming this is one of those.

This becomes an issue because there are only 2 (maybe 3) major textbook publishers creating material for U.S. schools. It's costly to produce specific individuals for each individual state, so basically what you end up with is a nightmarish tangle of requirements in order to market your product as broadly as possible.

So every book has to include the random do's and dont's from each state - and when Texas demands something inane, we all get to share in the stupid.
 
2010-01-13 05:11:30 PM  

impaler: You will find the areas those businesses are located in are said to be "overrun with Yankees" by native Texans.

Other than nice weather to move to, they don't do much right.


cheap land for the companies, and then they bring in northerners to run 'em. See also: Atlanta, GA and increasingly NC and SC
 
2010-01-13 05:12:09 PM  

tlchwi02: cheap land for the companies, and then they bring in northerners to run 'em. See also: Atlanta, GA and increasingly NC and SC


oh yeah, and they justify paying them less because the living standard is lower than most of the north. so there's that
 
2010-01-13 05:12:48 PM  
some activists lobbying to promote and highlight their Christianity

Like Jefferson?

How about what a clean-living guy Ben Franklin was?
 
2010-01-13 05:14:07 PM  
Is the Texas Department of Education's motto still "Thank Jeebus for Mississippi?"
 
2010-01-13 05:16:37 PM  
Texas still has a better education system than California. That being said, evangelicals are ruining my state and often leave me very embarrassed to be from there. Can't fix stupid.
 
2010-01-13 05:17:50 PM  
History becomes fiction when the PC crowd gets their fingers in the pot. The fact is, our country WAS founded on Christian principals. It is what it is people. I for one feel like the schools lied to me by not including the framework (ie religion) in history. It makes much more sense as to why things were done they way they were.

/no longer confused
//Natural law is independent of legislation
 
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