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2010-01-13 05:18:03 PM
ne2d: Epsilon: I feel sorry for students in Texas. They will not be well prepared for the 21st century.

I may be mistaken, but I thought Texas was pretty big when it comes to high-tech industries like aerospace, energy, etc. They seem to be doing something right.


Texas has many wonderful high-tech industries, but I guarantee you few of the employees who work there were educated in Texas public schools. They mostly came from other states. And that will become even more true for the current generation. Texas school children are not being educated about many sciences, by the will of the school boards and the parents.
 
2010-01-13 05:19:21 PM
WhiteWidow: History becomes fiction when the PC crowd gets their fingers in the pot. The fact is, our country WAS founded on Christian principals. It is what it is people. I for one feel like the schools lied to me by not including the framework (ie religion) in history. It makes much more sense as to why things were done they way they were.

/no longer confused
//Natural law is independent of legislation


Bro.

No.
 
2010-01-13 05:19:23 PM
I'm glad my kids are too old to be affected by this. I'm not worried about them being turned Christian, just being history stupid.

/Texas Mom
 
2010-01-13 05:20:29 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: Excuse me, but I have a simple question.

What the God Damn Fark did Mary Kay do to be worthy of inclusion in a school history book?


Probably have her products being sold door-to-door by one of the board members looking for brownie points from her corporate master.
 
2010-01-13 05:22:08 PM
can i say i'm sick of this now? there's been what, a thread on this every f'n week now
 
2010-01-13 05:22:49 PM
Jster422: Philip Francis Queeg: Excuse me, but I have a simple question.

What the God Damn Fark did Mary Kay do to be worthy of inclusion in a school history book?

States tend to tack on requirements based on individuals who were significant in that particular state (Illinois has Casimir Pulaski to appease the Poles, for example). I'm assuming this is one of those.

This becomes an issue because there are only 2 (maybe 3) major textbook publishers creating material for U.S. schools. It's costly to produce specific individuals for each individual state, so basically what you end up with is a nightmarish tangle of requirements in order to market your product as broadly as possible.

So every book has to include the random do's and dont's from each state - and when Texas demands something inane, we all get to share in the stupid.


Casmir Pulaski fought in the Revolutionary War at least. Mary Kay sold farking make up. Is there a cosmetics section in the Texas history curriculum?
 
2010-01-13 05:23:27 PM
I guess it's only a theory that there was a world more than 6,000 years ago.
 
2010-01-13 05:23:49 PM
Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: The Founding Fathers thought of Christ as a good moral teacher, but they had no use for him as a god. I'm sure Evangelicals will be all over promoting that message.

Revisionism: from my lips to your ears.
 
2010-01-13 05:23:58 PM
Hollywood Cole: Why the hell are there non-experts on the board reviewing textbooks?



/Texan....love my state, hate this shiat.


Because the state gives the power to the governor (Rick Perry) to appoint members to the board. And he is one of these crazy lunatics and wants more of these people on there. Luckily there is some oversight and his last appointee for head of the board was shot down, but he still got one of his "people" appointed. It is embarrassing as a Texan, but to be fair, this isn't the first time this has happened and every other time the stupid lost.
We will see if it keeps going this way, as there are a lot of scholars starting to stand up and really dig into Perry and the board over some of the stupid shiat coming out of all this. There are a lot of people in Texas that are appalled by this.

A few bright spots about all this though:
1) It will probably help lead to Perry losing in the governor's race this coming year.
2) Texas is slowly becoming more liberal, take a look at voting in the last election. The population centers (Dallas, Ft. Worth, Austin, Houston) all voted primarily democrat. The stupid ones are usually the loudest so they get heard over the rational ones and can give a lot of people a bad name.
 
2010-01-13 05:24:30 PM
FishyFred: Incidentally, 1984 is probably the most banned book in the country since its release.

Not Huckleberry Finn?
 
2010-01-13 05:25:31 PM
Columbus never gave anyone a pink Cadillac.
 
2010-01-13 05:25:35 PM
Gyrfalcon: Is there any way a state can be FORCED to leave the US? Nevermind secession, can the remainder of the states vote a state out of the Union?

It's theoretically doable via a Constitutional Amendment. Otherwise, theoretically, the federal government could do it.
 
2010-01-13 05:25:58 PM
WhiteWidow: History becomes fiction when the PC crowd gets their fingers in the pot. The fact is, our country WAS founded on Christian principals. It is what it is people. I for one feel like the schools lied to me by not including the framework (ie religion) in history. It makes much more sense as to why things were done they way they were.

/no longer confused
//Natural law is independent of legislation


Please name the SPECIFICALLY Christian principles that the country is founded on, omitting any which may also be found in non-Christian tradition or non-theist philosophy.
 
2010-01-13 05:26:50 PM
Christopher Columbus didnt discover America -

Christoffa Corombo did.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
 
2010-01-13 05:27:47 PM
I Said: Texas you are an embarrassment.

I learned to stop complaining so much about the Texas educational system when I made the unfortunate decision to teach at a CA high school for a semester or so.

Basically, both of the largest purchasers of Textbooks hate education and don't want your kids to have any. I'm more annoyed at CA because their intentional promotion of ignorance is bad in the sciences, whereas Texas' seems to be focused on teaching history very, very poorly. I'm not really qualified to comment on English as an academic subject, but that one at least seems fine (probably because both states have to train a spanish-speaking population to relative fluency in an extremely short period).
 
2010-01-13 05:28:38 PM
because good is dumb: Damnit, it's sh*t like this that makes me ashamed that I live and probably die in Texas. I love this state, but I hate the people living in it.

true there are dicks in Tx, there are in every state. I am glad I was born and raised here. if your not from here you will never get it, but if you don't like the people here - chances are they don't like you either so why don't you just GTFO.

I'm ashamed to come to fark because you're here - makes alot of sense doesn't it.
 
2010-01-13 05:31:46 PM
Jster422: were significant in that particular state

Um Pulaski was significant before there was an Illinois ;)
 
2010-01-13 05:32:53 PM
"...mentioning makeup entrepreneur Mary Kay Ash, of Addison, Texas, more often than Christopher Columbus in the curriculum standard. At present Ash is mentioned twice; Columbus once."

How many times is rape mentioned?
 
2010-01-13 05:33:09 PM
tnpir: I just know this is going to end badly. I just know it.

Thank the fark Christ I'm not raising children in this state.


Anything done by a political process is not going to wind up as planned or as promised.

/Tom Landry Middle School
 
2010-01-13 05:33:16 PM
I have a child in 1st grade in a Texas school.... DAMNIT

Luckily for he (and him), I love history and can re-teach him when he gets home from school.

my fav books- "Lies my Teacher Told Me" and "Lies Across America".

I am prepared....
 
2010-01-13 05:33:29 PM
I went to a public university in Texas. It totally amazed me how Texas could support such a fantastic collection of public universities, providing so many people with quality low cost college educations, and at the same time totally fail in educating their children.
 
2010-01-13 05:37:25 PM
pearls before swine: I went to a public university in Texas. It totally amazed me how Texas could support such a fantastic collection of public universities, providing so many people with quality low cost college educations, and at the same time totally fail in educating their children.

This is what happens when you allow laypeople with no experience in education or education policy to set curriculum standards. We do not allow laypeople to determine who is or isn't licensed to practice medicine or law. We leave those decisions up to doctors and lawyers.
 
2010-01-13 05:37:43 PM
Send your kids to school. . . they learn about how Jesus inspired the Revolution and the importance of Mary Kay.

Keep them home and teach them, and . . . oh, wait, they get an education tailored to your values and beliefs.
 
2010-01-13 05:37:57 PM
They shouldn't teach kids about George Washington because Marx lauded him as a man of the people.
 
2010-01-13 05:39:58 PM
k4mi: 2) Texas is slowly becoming more liberal, take a look at voting in the last election.

I disagree. Texas is definitely becoming more Democratic, but it's not necessarily becoming more liberal. The shift is due to the increasing Hispanic population, which tends to vote Democratic, despite their socially conservative/moderate views.
 
2010-01-13 05:41:11 PM
I'm so glad I moved away from Texas. Best decision of my life, besides marrying my wife.
 
2010-01-13 05:44:17 PM
Article is pretty interesting.

Shows the Board is willing to keep and open mind and respect differing views, unlike most farkers.
 
2010-01-13 05:47:37 PM
Actually, Christopher Columbus should probably be mentioned as much as Mary Kay Ash: ZERO.
 
2010-01-13 05:48:22 PM
theorellior: I'm so glad I moved away from Texas. Best decision of my life, besides marrying my wife.

Pics are needed to see how good your decision making is...
 
2010-01-13 05:48:43 PM
In 10 years, an SAT essay question will be George Washington is to United States as Simon Cowell is to A) The Bachelor B) American Idol C) Canada D) The Hills
 
2010-01-13 05:53:21 PM
You can say alot of shiat about Texas. Believe me, I have. Whilst I defend, because dear husband is a native, I know they make some back-ass-ward decisions.

BUT....don't you EVAR use "deep-fried" as an insult to Texans. Not until you have had.....

http://www.mamawsfriedpies.com/

I assure you. The negative conotation with "deep fried" will drip from your bottom lip like the molton apple filling of one of these pies.
 
2010-01-13 05:53:24 PM
FuelCycle: Pics are needed to see how good your decision making is...

No need, she's homeschooled.
 
2010-01-13 05:53:31 PM
TenaciousP: I'm at the hearing right now.

Did you/will you speak?
 
2010-01-13 05:54:15 PM
Epsilon: ne2d: E by the will of the school boards and the parents.

the school board members and parents who came to texas from other states.
only the greasers are native
 
2010-01-13 05:56:15 PM
Ras-Algethi: Got-dammit! I was just defending Texas in another thread and this shiat pops up. That is IT. I am moving out of this god-loving, buddha-foresaking, cosmetics-applying, conservative-schmucking, football-worshiping, gas-guzzling, Dubya circle-jerking, deep-fried piece of a hell-hole as soon as I can kill off my TRS and whatever ties I have left here. No! There's no turning back! You farked with my education long enough - I had to go to a "liberal" school to undo the crap you did to me. I farking HATE texas biblethumpers.

/steps off soapbox


You can head on out. I'm gonna stick around and try and change it f'r the better.
 
2010-01-13 05:57:17 PM
oukewldave: In 10 years, an SAT essay question will be George Washington is to United States as Simon Cowell is to A) The Bachelor B) American Idol C) Canada D) The Hills

That's perfectly cromulent, if you ask me. Certainly much better than the ones I had, like Rabid:House::Hispanic: A)Ululates B)Canberra C)Kaiser D)Mohican.
 
2010-01-13 05:58:22 PM
FTA: Former board chairman Don McLeroy, a Republican from College Station, says the conservative efforts have been misconstrued.

"I don't see anyone wanting to say that this is a Christian nation or anything like that," McLeroy said. "The argument is that the principles on which (the nation) has been founded are biblically based."


OK, I don't agree with his second sentence, but some of the hyperventilators in this thread might want to read his first.

Texas education system: Better than California's. Especially at educating blacks and Hispanics.

http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/statecomparisons/withinyear.aspx?usrSelect i ons=0%2cMAT%2c3%2c0%2cwithin%2c0%2c0

FishyFred: pearls before swine: I went to a public university in Texas. It totally amazed me how Texas could support such a fantastic collection of public universities, providing so many people with quality low cost college educations, and at the same time totally fail in educating their children.

This is what happens when you allow laypeople with no experience in education or education policy to set curriculum standards. We do not allow laypeople to determine who is or isn't licensed to practice medicine or law. We leave those decisions up to doctors and lawyers.


Dude, have you ever met anyone with an education decree?
 
2010-01-13 05:59:48 PM
WhiteWidow: History becomes fiction when the PC crowd gets their fingers in the pot. The fact is, our country WAS founded on Christian principals. It is what it is people. I for one feel like the schools lied to me by not including the framework (ie religion) in history. It makes much more sense as to why things were done they way they were.

/no longer confused
//Natural law is independent of legislation


3/10
 
2010-01-13 06:01:00 PM
keypusher: Dude, have you ever met anyone with an education decree?

There're degrees of decrees, y'know. ;)
 
2010-01-13 06:01:20 PM
I'm watching the live netcast of the hearing. What's really torquing me off is that nearly every citizen I've heard speak so far is focusing solely on how revisions to the textbook standards will affect Texas alone; apparently they don't realize the national impact of the Texas SBOE's decisions impact the rest of the nation. God, I just want to throttle these people.
 
2010-01-13 06:02:45 PM
oukewldave: In 10 years, an SAT essay question will be George Washington is to United States as Simon Cowell is to A) The Bachelor B) American Idol C) Canada D) The Hills

That's RACIST!
 
2010-01-13 06:04:24 PM
buckler: I'm watching the live netcast of the hearing. What's really torquing me off is that nearly every citizen I've heard speak so far is focusing solely on how revisions to the textbook standards will affect Texas alone; apparently they don't realize the national impact of the Texas SBOE's decisions impact the rest of the nation. God, I just want to throttle these people.

Get your own books...
 
2010-01-13 06:04:26 PM
UGArx: Christopher Columbus didnt discover America -

Christoffa Corombo did.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!


I learned about him in the Army.

He knew the world was round, oh!
He sailed a ship around, oh!
That calculating, masturbating,
Son-of-a-b_tch, Columbo.
 
2010-01-13 06:06:52 PM
OMG, what a douche! Stupid conservative hicks need to realize the integral part Mary Kay played in advancing women's advances in this country and give her the respect she deserves! So they mention her twice as much as Columbus--big deal! Mary Kay is FAR more important to the lives of people today than a nasty old sailor, anyhow! What relevance does he have?
 
2010-01-13 06:13:33 PM
How will they insert the Crusades?
 
2010-01-13 06:17:07 PM
FuelCycle: buckler: I'm watching the live netcast of the hearing. What's really torquing me off is that nearly every citizen I've heard speak so far is focusing solely on how revisions to the textbook standards will affect Texas alone; apparently they don't realize the national impact of the Texas SBOE's decisions impact the rest of the nation. God, I just want to throttle these people.

Get your own books...


If I had kids, I'd seriously consider home-schooling about now. I'd include history from several different viewpoints, some of which might be uncomfortable, and include critical thinking as a major educational component.
 
2010-01-13 06:19:22 PM
I thought Jesus discovered America in 1776?

Wasn't Mary Kay his mother?
 
2010-01-13 06:19:56 PM
Let me guess, Texas tries to say the Civil War was started because of a state's right issue.

Excuse me, did I say 'state's right'? I meant 'state's rights' - plural. There certainly wasn't one and only one right in question, and it certainly wasn't enumerated in their declaration of session.

My bad....
 
2010-01-13 06:26:49 PM
So Mary Kay and Jebus saved Texas and in turn the United States?
 
2010-01-13 06:28:23 PM
well, if Mary Kay is an American woman worthy of mention in the history books, surely there must be whole chapters devoted to Alice Paul and Margaret Sanger... right, guys?

.....right???

....guys?!?!
 
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