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(Some Snow Guy)   Not content with forcing kids off their lawns, Condominium Board destroys their snow fort, too (pics)   (ottawacitizen.com) divider line 74
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2010-01-12 05:35:36 PM
Completely needless. I'd give my right arm for a fort like that.
 
2010-01-12 05:37:39 PM
wtf
 
2010-01-12 05:39:04 PM
So they got to keep the fort for nearly a month, the kids will not remember the thing at all, and the father agreed when the board told him their REAL reason for wanting it down.

This isn't sad, how about the headline reads: "Condominum Board Allows Liability to Stay for Nearly a Month for Children's Enjoyment"? Oh, and give it a spiffy tag.
 
2010-01-12 05:39:45 PM
Yeah, completely needless until it gets soft enough to collapse and kill the neighbor's kid. Small fort would be fine. A massive fort like that is just an insurance risk.
 
2010-01-12 05:40:12 PM
Always someone somewhere telling you what you can or can't do.


/Need a beer
 
2010-01-12 05:41:05 PM
Welcome to the world of Cover-Your-Ass
 
2010-01-12 05:41:08 PM
img193.imageshack.us
 
2010-01-12 05:42:42 PM
Huge? You have to be kidding. A decent medium at best.
 
2010-01-12 05:42:54 PM
He should just tell them that it would be snow problem to take it down. Sorry, had to go there.
 
2010-01-12 05:44:01 PM
It's called "maintaining an attractive nuisance" and it leaves the condo board wide open for litigation.
Besides, the kids got to play in it plenty.

Also, what ever happened to letting the kids build their own snow forts, and such?
 
2010-01-12 05:44:40 PM
It took White five days to complete and was finished on Dec. 28.


5 days? Does he have a job? (Next story: Man fired after boss sees article about what man did with sick time.)
 
2010-01-12 05:44:57 PM
Ashtrey: So they got to keep the fort for nearly a month, the kids will not remember the thing at all, and the father agreed when the board told him their REAL reason for wanting it down.

This isn't sad, how about the headline reads: "Condominum Board Allows Liability to Stay for Nearly a Month for Children's Enjoyment"? Oh, and give it a spiffy tag.


So you were just born a grumpy old ass then eh?
 
2010-01-12 05:45:05 PM
Bastards!
 
2010-01-12 05:45:18 PM
While I can see the potential for injury, clearly the largest threat is lawyers. Why not just ban lawyers?
 
2010-01-12 05:45:24 PM
They better be careful... Snow forts have snow soldiers, too!

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2010-01-12 05:45:57 PM
I say just cut the walls in half and you have pretty much solved the problem of being an insurance risk. Then, when it starts getting warm enough for the snow to melt just knock the rest of it down.

No reason to tear the whole thing down.
 
2010-01-12 05:46:02 PM
Lawyers always spoil the fun for everybody.

/taking the Bar next month
 
2010-01-12 05:46:08 PM
I'm in property management and as douchy as it sounds this is common. I've seen insurance companies demand removal of snow-forts, trees, tree houses, and hanging flower boxes on balconies under threat of policy cancellation. Also, some dick-head director could have got his or her tits in a knot over it and forced the management company to act. Note: 90% of condo directors are control freaks.

When you live in a condo you choose to surrender control of certain parts of your personal life and in general you have no say in what happens outside your unit.

Bottom line: If you have kids, want to have a garden, want to live your own life don't live in a condo.

/Manages property, including condos
//Would NEVER live in a condo
 
2010-01-12 05:47:06 PM
http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/story.html?id=8a230fd9-be04-409d-ba0b-f7283719 ccc3&k=55105

Kid dies after suffocating in Snow Fort. In Canada, 2008 (I am terrible at HTML)

It sucks but it is just snow. It is not worth the risk of losing your kid.
 
2010-01-12 05:47:11 PM
Vala0128: They better be careful... Snow forts have snow soldiers, too!

Calvin would be proud.
 
2010-01-12 05:47:24 PM
Ashtrey: So they got to keep the fort for nearly a month, the kids will not remember the thing at all, and the father agreed when the board told him their REAL reason for wanting it down.

This isn't sad, how about the headline reads: "Condominum Board Allows Liability to Stay for Nearly a Month for Children's Enjoyment"? Oh, and give it a spiffy tag.


FTFA: According to White, the initial reason they gave him for wanting the fort removed was because he did not ask permission first

So let's make it "Condominum Board Allows Fort to Stay before finding a valid excuse after a month of search"

HOA, always having their little power trips.
 
2010-01-12 05:47:28 PM
Helena Handbasket: Yeah, completely needless until it gets soft enough to collapse and kill the neighbor's kid. Small fort would be fine. A massive fort like that is just an insurance risk.

Man up, Nancy
 
2010-01-12 05:48:14 PM
Helena Handbasket: Yeah, completely needless until it gets soft enough to collapse and kill the neighbor's kid. Small fort would be fine. A massive fort like that is just an insurance risk.

The terrorists lawyers have won.
 
2010-01-12 05:49:43 PM
I'm surprised the Condo Board actually had the nuts to do this themselves. Usually they go with the passive aggressive "Call the building inspector and tip him off that somebody built a building not up to code" approach.
 
2010-01-12 05:49:45 PM
tukatz: It took White five days to complete and was finished on Dec. 28.


5 days? Does he have a job? (Next story: Man fired after boss sees article about what man did with sick time.)


Um, I'm thinking there may have been holidays bookended there somewhere, but I might be mistaken.
 
2010-01-12 05:50:30 PM
"He explained that they answer to insurance companies, and he gave a few examples of similar situations in the past whereby people were hurt, and this is what they are afraid of," said White.

What amazes me is how children ever lived past the age of 10 without insurance companies and lawyers. I mean, I hear tales of back when kids were allowed to ride bikes without helmets and I shudder.
 
2010-01-12 05:52:26 PM
I can se their point though. While I think many HOAs should DIAF, many are fairly easygoing, only reinforcing what a person should normally do in the upkeep of their property. a "normal" snow fort, built by kids is one thing, but the one in the article, while it may indeed be cool, is a bit more of a potential liability.

I had to join an HOA when I bought my new house 4 months ago, and they're pretty easygoing. I do like the idea of a private park, wildlife area and such that I help maintain. I have friends that feel it should be open to all, And I tell them "Well, you wanna help pay for it?"
The last house I owned in Texas, when they did away with the HOA, it only took a couple of years before the neighborhood started really going south. People parking their RVs, big boats and the like in their yards, and one neighbor down the street stated keeping ducks, chickens, and a couple of turkeys in his backyard. Well, I can tell you, while I'm all for living harmoniously and all that stuff, that was too much. A couple of calls to code compliance, and all that crap was gone.

I let that stuff slide for a while, but when you're trying to sell a house, you need a good looking house AND neighborhood.

After the house was sold, I didn't care if they park junk cars all over the place.

Just don't be hting all HOAs, is what I'm failing at saying here.
 
2010-01-12 05:55:40 PM
Quintessence: "He explained that they answer to insurance companies, and he gave a few examples of similar situations in the past whereby people were hurt, and this is what they are afraid of," said White.

What amazes me is how children ever lived past the age of 10 without insurance companies and lawyers. I mean, I hear tales of back when kids were allowed to ride bikes without helmets and I shudder.


Hell, my dad put patio blocks under our swing set, let us ride in a bulldozer bucket up and in the trees, took us 4x4ing in an open Jeep with no seatbelts, gave us Brandy Alexanders at Christmas, and let me drive a motorcycle (no, not a mini-bike) by myself at the age of 12.

/I'm still alive
//maybe tapping out my farks with a pencil between my teeth, but I'm still alive, dammit.
 
2010-01-12 05:55:48 PM
garthgarth: img193.imageshack.us

Damn you to hell for reminding me of that book.

First book I read that made me cry as a kid.
 
2010-01-12 05:57:17 PM
Ex-Texan: I can se their point though. While I think many HOAs should DIAF, many are fairly easygoing, only reinforcing what a person should normally do in the upkeep of their property. a "normal" snow fort, built by kids is one thing, but the one in the article, while it may indeed be cool, is a bit more of a potential liability.

I had to join an HOA when I bought my new house 4 months ago, and they're pretty easygoing. I do like the idea of a private park, wildlife area and such that I help maintain. I have friends that feel it should be open to all, And I tell them "Well, you wanna help pay for it?"
The last house I owned in Texas, when they did away with the HOA, it only took a couple of years before the neighborhood started really going south. People parking their RVs, big boats and the like in their yards, and one neighbor down the street stated keeping ducks, chickens, and a couple of turkeys in his backyard. Well, I can tell you, while I'm all for living harmoniously and all that stuff, that was too much. A couple of calls to code compliance, and all that crap was gone.

I let that stuff slide for a while, but when you're trying to sell a house, you need a good looking house AND neighborhood.

After the house was sold, I didn't care if they park junk cars all over the place.

Just don't be hting all HOAs, is what I'm failing at saying here.


You sound like an HOA director.
 
2010-01-12 05:57:57 PM
Too bad. But since ownership of the front lawn doesn't come with a condo, the condo association would be the one sued if a piece bigger and heavier than a kid lands on said kid.
 
2010-01-12 05:59:19 PM
Quintessence: "He explained that they answer to insurance companies, and he gave a few examples of similar situations in the past whereby people were hurt, and this is what they are afraid of," said White.

What amazes me is how children ever lived past the age of 10 without insurance companies and lawyers. I mean, I hear tales of back when kids were allowed to ride bikes without helmets and I shudder.


When I was a kid I was big into BMX racing & freestyle riding. The only time I ever wore a helmet was when I raced. My mom, being the overprotective type, insisted I wear a full-face helmet. Ironically, the mask prevented me from seeing my front wheel when trying to land a jump & actually caused me to crash more.
 
2010-01-12 05:59:30 PM
How is Darwin supposed to get anything done with meddling idiots like these interrupting the process?
 
2010-01-12 06:00:00 PM
whut?
http://tinyurl.com/yh5fokk
(copy and paste)
 
2010-01-12 06:04:34 PM
impaler: So let's make it "Condominum Board Allows Fort to Stay before finding a valid excuse after a month of search"

HOA, always having their little power trips.


Not to let the facts get in the way, but this has NOTHING to do with an HOA. The property he built the fort on did not belong to him. The group that manages the property told him to take it down. Again, NO HOA involved.
 
2010-01-12 06:05:40 PM
When I was about 12 my step-dad took a temp job helping to plow the streets in our city. He managed to get assigned to the street we lived on and rather than piling up 2-3 ft of snowbanks on either side of the street he made a giant mountain of snow on our front lawn. Memories of a 12 year old are hazy, but I'm pretty sure that thing was 10 feet across and at least 6 feet tall.

Yeah, my mom was pissed. No, that marriage didn't last.

Looking back, I'm not even sure how we were allowed to keep it. I think it was because we were renting from an absentee landlord who didn't give a shiat as long as the rent got paid.
 
2010-01-12 06:07:35 PM
Here's an idea: let's round up all the personal injury lawyers and put them in a giant snowfort!
 
2010-01-12 06:09:58 PM
NightOwl2255: Not to let the facts get in the way, but this has NOTHING to do with an HOA. The property he built the fort on did not belong to him. The group that manages the property told him to take it down. Again, NO HOA involved.

The difference between some HOA's (especially with town homes) and a condo association, is merely semantics.
 
2010-01-12 06:10:02 PM
HOA are run by petty, frustrated, life-didn't-go-their-way imbeciles, that take it out on the rest of their neighbors just to see them suffer and claim it's all in their best interest.
 
2010-01-12 06:10:14 PM
Hopefully in the summer he can build a kick-ass set of monkey bars, set over concrete...like the good old days.
 
2010-01-12 06:11:47 PM
Helena Handbasket
Yeah, completely needless until it gets soft enough to collapse and kill the neighbor's kid,

Depending on the kid in question that might be worth the risk.

The cute ones from the flat below are okay, but the pitifully attention-starved and thus regularly acting-out terrors from above may go out and play when it starts thawing.

/mom-of-two in the carpetless flat above had the father-of-four boyfriend move in
// the oldest kid is maybe six
 
2010-01-12 06:12:42 PM
Quintessence: "He explained that they answer to insurance companies, and he gave a few examples of similar situations in the past whereby people were hurt, and this is what they are afraid of," said White.

What amazes me is how children ever lived past the age of 10 without insurance companies and lawyers. I mean, I hear tales of back when kids were allowed to ride bikes without helmets and I shudder.


Yes, in days of yore mighty kids indeed did bestride this nation.

I felt bad the first time I was watching a cartoon that showed a kid on a flying skateboard and he was wearing pads and a helmet. I thought, "jesus, when the writer of this fantasizes about sex, does he always wear a condom in his fantasies?"

Note:born at the end of the 70s, and the only kids who were helmets to bike were belt-and-suspender type nerds.
 
2010-01-12 06:26:13 PM
Bgdojo: http://www.canada.com/windsorstar/story.html?id=8a230fd9-be04-409d-ba0b-f728371 9 ccc3&k=55105

Kid dies after suffocating in Snow Fort. In Canada, 2008 (I am terrible at HTML)

It sucks but it is just snow. It is not worth the risk of losing your kid.


Oh yeah, well I can post links too. Well not "too" since you failed at link posting...

Fun Toy Banned Because Of Three Stupid Dead Kids (^)


Insurance Companies are the work of the debbil... one person chokes on a toothpick and suddenly toothpicks are "uninsurable". With kids it's even worse. One kid dies and suddenly I'm not allowed to drive on your lawn.
 
2010-01-12 06:30:43 PM
2wolves: Huge? You have to be kidding. A decent medium at best.

We used to build our snow forts with the neighbor's front end loader. Fuggin things would last through May. When we ran out of snow for snowballs we would switch to dirt clods.
 
2010-01-12 06:36:42 PM
pippi longstocking: HOA are run by petty, frustrated, life-didn't-go-their-way imbeciles, that take it out on the rest of their neighbors just to see them suffer and claim it's all in their best interest.

THIS


and all while not adding a dime of resale value to the neighborhood.

My reply to an HOA troll: "when you have succeeded at making this neighborhood profitable again, then I might consider this frivolous request."
 
2010-01-12 06:37:25 PM
Just wait until some precious snowflake gets hurt...
 
2010-01-12 07:00:19 PM
Helena Handbasket: Yeah, completely needless until it gets soft enough to collapse and kill the neighbor's kid. Small fort would be fine. A massive fort like that is just an insurance risk.

maybe the neighbor's kid should stay off his property.
 
2010-01-12 07:06:32 PM
SteelPeart: pippi longstocking: HOA are run by petty, frustrated, life-didn't-go-their-way imbeciles, that take it out on the rest of their neighbors just to see them suffer and claim it's all in their best interest.

THIS

and all while not adding a dime of resale value to the neighborhood.

My reply to an HOA troll: "when you have succeeded at making this neighborhood profitable again, then I might consider this frivolous request."


How about. "I didn't build it. Some kids must have built it. Go ahead and tear it down. Meh. Thanks for calling."
 
2010-01-12 07:12:20 PM
jonasborg: Helena Handbasket: Yeah, completely needless until it gets soft enough to collapse and kill the neighbor's kid. Small fort would be fine. A massive fort like that is just an insurance risk.

Man up, Nancy


Hey if someone is enough of a dumbass to live in property under the control of an HOA or condo board, then I don't feel sorry for them. They chose to be controlled by the fascists.

/Not a man, and not named 'Nancy'
 
2010-01-12 07:28:10 PM
Thanks a lot, Obama.
 
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